It's just a belt of a certain colour. People complaining that he's not 'legit' think 'black belt' is synonymous with 'expert'. It is not. In Japan it's easy to get to sho-dan. Some sho-dan are excellent, even world-class; most are intermediate; some are pretty much still beginners. In Japan they don't have this mystique around it like Westerners. I got a shodan in Japan and I was (and still am) intermediate at best.
TheOne111 : in Asia judo, karate, and TKD are electives in certain countries. Doesn’t mean every child does it. Instead of PE you may take Judo. But, once you do, this is part of your curriculum unto your done with school. Some compete... some don’t. Also, they don’t have the same attitude as the west. For them it’s about technique... in the West it’s about... does it work in a street fight. The west is more sport base... does it really work. For them it has a greater cultural significance.
IMO, a shodan (black belt) would be probably a blue belt in BJJ, a Ni-dan would be a purple, and San-dan would be roughly about as dangerous as your run of the mill, local-level BJJ black belt... If a 1st degree black belt in judo tried to open a dojo, he'd be regarded as a joke. That being said- I prefer the BJJ ranking system, it's simpler and tends to yield higher quality black belts
@@larslee5341 That's a nice idea, but not consistently true. When I first got sho dan I was not blue belt level in bjj. Belt gradings in judo really don't mean very much. What matters is what medals you have.
When two competitors of similar abilities meet, the more aggressive one who initialize takedown usually wins. The Judoka was very passive. Also there are varying degrees of skill among black belts, even from the same dojo.
I find that the current IJF rule system puts judoka at a distinct disadvantage when grappling wrestlers, Sambists, and BJJ guys... there are just so many impractical rules... no leg attacks... no holding unorthodox grips with out instant attack... short Newaza times... I love the history that judo has and the wealth of grappling techniques it technically has in it's vocabulary... but under the current rule system, Judoka usually struggle against other grapplers, UNLESS they cross-train frequently or are elite-athletes
Most judoka are pretty frustrated at the absurd below the belt rules. They literally passed a rule that bans a third of the techniques of judo, what a moronic thing to do . They haven’t made judo more entertaining. If anything it’s made it more static and more penalty based. That said look at Olympic karate if you want to see a sad story of rules ruining a competition art form . Luckily karate combat is reclaiming true karate . Hopefully the ijf will either some to it’s senses or a rival organisation will take over.
This is probable college judo not full judo. We have leg locks and such. I mean where do you think BJJ got them from 🤣😆🤣 either the judoka is not trying or..... Idk..
All these comments about the Judo black belts skills are ignorant. First off, unlike our egotistical culture here in the states, they do not see the need to go one hundred percent on each other when they are clearly having fun. Its just not in their culture, they are highly respectable. All these comments from everyone else just proves it. I do both bjj and judo and I train with a friend and random guys inbetween my college classes outside of my own training time at the dojo/gym and I do not crank necks and slam people. You dont always have to prove something
It's obvious they're not going 100%. It seems like they're flow-grappling. It's a fun way to randori without the competitiveness. You don't have to go 100% all the time. And when you do, you kinda look like a d-head. So kudos to these guys for the mutual respect for each other. 🤲🏽🥋
Sambo has too many advantages over Judo! To begin with they are allowed to wear shoes providing more traction and stability secondly sombo allows leg attacks and Judo has prohibited that! I do not think that one is better than the other I think they are a good cross-training combination and sambo came from Judo
I would argue sambo is better than judo because I think learning to maul and control someone on the ground is much more valuable in a defense scenario than throwing someone
@@willtoler6917 that all depends on your personality and what your goals are as a martial artist regarding self-defense. Just remember one thing you're not going to be young forever and there will come a time where you won't be able to just control people and hold them down and mual them like khabib nurmagomedov! However with repeated sweeping and throwing techniques that require minimal effort especially if they are drilled to the point of no return 20 or 30 or 40 Years of your life and they become instinctual allowing you to throw someone on the ground hard and fast! That will usually take the fight right out of someone especially if you hit them before and after a throwing technique ending with a summation. But don't get me completely wrong this is not a sombo vs. Judo argument because I think they are both outstanding and I would love to cross-train the two of them because they are so similar! Russian sambo is basically Judo mixed with Western wrestling and leg locks and I think sombo even has their own variation of throwing techniques! I think sombo is better for the young martial artist and Judo is better for the Aging martial artist I don't think vice versa? Your thoughts would be appreciated though. Like I said I would love to cross-train two of them!
biggest advantages of sambo made by olimpic rulecuts of judo. Sambo allows and teaches you and to block grips on straight arms , as you you see sambo wrestler uses even head to block. Judo wrestler not ready to it and this is biggest difference here
@@christianmichaels6834 oh I just watched again. I was brand new I didn't see him turtling and protecting his neck. At the time I thought he was opening him self up to be choked out lol. Long time ago. Cheers all
No, but I train with many of them and there’s definitely a standard. It’s pretty easy to spot. You don’t have to play in the NBA to tell when somebody can’t hit a free throw.
there are a great many things you are not considering, mainly this: once you get a Black Belt you never lose it. this dude could have made it to Black belt a decade ago and stopped training till the day this video got recorded.....
The "judo" guy doesn't have very judo-like posture, and doesn't seem to understand the basics of grip fighting or kazushi... I understand that the Japanese don't have the same standards when it comes to grading but calling a guy/kid like this a blackbelt is really detrimental to the perception of Judo as a whole.
@@captainkid9469 kuzushi is breaking the balance of your opponent. You don't need a black belt to understand that. That's white belt stuff. Right after they teach you how to fall...
sorry im just 3rd dan of judo and starts at 2008. just ma opinion. like this compatition is good but If judoka had done a little better... maybe next time..
light sparring but you can see differences in stances and grips- sambo fighter better at blocking grips because it is allowed in sambo, he blocks by hands and used even his head to block
There's actually different forms of sambo that someone can train for/compete in. Grappling only sambo is a thing you're talking about 'combat sambo'. P.S. Funnily enough, Judo actually has strikes in its kata, but it's banned for competition and most training. The strikes are pretty much similar to what you'd see in karate and Japanese jujitsu; they're for self defense purposes in combination with regular judo grappling.
Чего гадать, что сильнее?!! Виды борьбы-то похожи. В фильме "Гений Дзюдо" я вообще не нашёл разницы между Джиу-джицу и Дзюдо, а Самбо-- это их производное!
@@nikolaipotapenkov8823 похож на самбиста, стойка низкая ноги не прямые , блокирует прямым руками да еще и головой, он определенно занимался и самбо и немалое время. Дзюдоист как раз тоже похож на дзюдоиста, отвык блокировать прямыми руками ( а может и не умел никогда) из за правил и стоит ровно как столб
What the huh?? Not and judo I have seen. His newaza is weak. He is leaning forward. Can we get some context here? Not even one combo just keeps going for should throw lol. -- this has to be staged
No just a boxer and a judoka who train in MMA🖕 😀 But i repeat This Guy level seem very weak !!! i see Green belt more offensive than him...maybe he don't want hurt his opponent?
Nak Muay Hey keyboard warrior, i didn't ask and not interested... show me your sparring vids. After 20rounds of sparring, take a vid. Prove your strength.
@@nakmuay2485 All you did was type ad hominems, after claiming to be a Martial Artist that trains in multiple arts. (Boxing, Judo and whatever else) On top of that judged the judo guy in the video as low level. Then say, you have nothing to prove, even though you made claims. Do you see the hypocrisy in what you did?
Obviously, these guys aren’t training at full capacity. You don’t think that Judoka could’ve hip tossed or arm dragged that Sambist? He easily could’ve, but as you can see (if you pay attention), they’re lightly sparring. Why go 100% and hurt your training partner? Makes no sense to. Especially if they’re friends. People have way too many opinions and “facts” to share. When in reality, both of these guys could fuck you up probably at full speed 🤷🏼♂️.
If this guy is really a black belt, then shame on him when you wear that black you need to wear the weight of it on you too not just to show off you’re a black show you worth it… even if it was just a training most of his techniques was wrong… a white belt or yellow belt would have done a better job than this guy
I disagree, I've met many 1st degree black belts from Japan who "suck"... the difference is that in the west, most people only get their 1st degree black... in Japan, it is VERY common for judoka to get their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th degree black belts through intense competition... it's literally a college major at some colleges... at the higher ranks, black belts are fucking dangerous and can cripple you. Thank being said, belt rank inflation does make the art look weak
Are we entirely certain these two weren't just lightly training? It looks like they're both barely going 25%.
Sgtbigmike Yes. Just light sparring.
Setting up the techniques more than executing the techniques.
in any case Judo is ineffective vs Sambo .
Yeah the way he took his time with the footlock really tells me he was going easy
It's just a belt of a certain colour. People complaining that he's not 'legit' think 'black belt' is synonymous with 'expert'. It is not. In Japan it's easy to get to sho-dan. Some sho-dan are excellent, even world-class; most are intermediate; some are pretty much still beginners. In Japan they don't have this mystique around it like Westerners. I got a shodan in Japan and I was (and still am) intermediate at best.
TheOne111 : in Asia judo, karate, and TKD are electives in certain countries. Doesn’t mean every child does it. Instead of PE you may take Judo. But, once you do, this is part of your curriculum unto your done with school. Some compete... some don’t. Also, they don’t have the same attitude as the west. For them it’s about technique... in the West it’s about... does it work in a street fight. The west is more sport base... does it really work. For them it has a greater cultural significance.
My Sensei told us at our Black-Belt graduation : " Congratulations, now you are no beginner anymore"
Can't win them all
IMO, a shodan (black belt) would be probably a blue belt in BJJ, a Ni-dan would be a purple, and San-dan would be roughly about as dangerous as your run of the mill, local-level BJJ black belt... If a 1st degree black belt in judo tried to open a dojo, he'd be regarded as a joke. That being said- I prefer the BJJ ranking system, it's simpler and tends to yield higher quality black belts
@@larslee5341 That's a nice idea, but not consistently true. When I first got sho dan I was not blue belt level in bjj. Belt gradings in judo really don't mean very much. What matters is what medals you have.
When two competitors of similar abilities meet, the more aggressive one who initialize takedown usually wins. The Judoka was very passive. Also there are varying degrees of skill among black belts, even from the same dojo.
I find that the current IJF rule system puts judoka at a distinct disadvantage
when grappling wrestlers, Sambists, and BJJ guys... there are just so many impractical rules... no leg attacks... no holding unorthodox grips with out instant attack... short Newaza times... I love the history that judo has and the wealth of grappling techniques it technically has in it's vocabulary... but under the current rule system, Judoka usually struggle against other grapplers, UNLESS they cross-train frequently or are elite-athletes
Most judoka are pretty frustrated at the absurd below the belt rules. They literally passed a rule that bans a third of the techniques of judo, what a moronic thing to do . They haven’t made judo more entertaining. If anything it’s made it more static and more penalty based. That said look at Olympic karate if you want to see a sad story of rules ruining a competition art form . Luckily karate combat is reclaiming true karate . Hopefully the ijf will either some to it’s senses or a rival organisation will take over.
I like the friendly pat on the back, then the sneaky suplex at the end
Judokas are trained to compete without leg grab. He's not bad, he just needs to adapt with the new rules...
Depends on the judoka. Freestyle judoka still cover all that stuff.
Adapt with the new (old Judo) rules ... Damn, IJF ! 🥺😟
Yeah because leg grabs are similar to freestyle wrestling
This is probable college judo not full judo. We have leg locks and such. I mean where do you think BJJ got them from 🤣😆🤣 either the judoka is not trying or..... Idk..
@@BFerreira82 I'm down for that.
Sambo is legit. That is one dangerous martial art.
Mix Judo with Freestyle Wrestling and some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
И получится САМБО!
Jika anda menguasai Sambo maka anda sama saja menguasai jujitsu, judo, boxing, and taekwondo
All these comments about the Judo black belts skills are ignorant. First off, unlike our egotistical culture here in the states, they do not see the need to go one hundred percent on each other when they are clearly having fun. Its just not in their culture, they are highly respectable. All these comments from everyone else just proves it. I do both bjj and judo and I train with a friend and random guys inbetween my college classes outside of my own training time at the dojo/gym and I do not crank necks and slam people. You dont always have to prove something
American Samurai RESPECT!!
Thank you for the video.
Looks like one beautiful dojo.
It's obvious they're not going 100%. It seems like they're flow-grappling. It's a fun way to randori without the competitiveness. You don't have to go 100% all the time. And when you do, you kinda look like a d-head. So kudos to these guys for the mutual respect for each other. 🤲🏽🥋
that judoka is not good
JLCV how about you?
@@captainkid9469 No offense dude, but not having any ne waza, and spending the whole match trying for the same big throw isn't very good.
Yeap..
Sambo has too many advantages over Judo! To begin with they are allowed to wear shoes providing more traction and stability secondly sombo allows leg attacks and Judo has prohibited that! I do not think that one is better than the other I think they are a good cross-training combination and sambo came from Judo
I would argue sambo is better than judo because I think learning to maul and control someone on the ground is much more valuable in a defense scenario than throwing someone
@@willtoler6917 that all depends on your personality and what your goals are as a martial artist regarding self-defense. Just remember one thing you're not going to be young forever and there will come a time where you won't be able to just control people and hold them down and mual them like khabib nurmagomedov! However with repeated sweeping and throwing techniques that require minimal effort especially if they are drilled to the point of no return 20 or 30 or 40 Years of your life and they become instinctual allowing you to throw someone on the ground hard and fast! That will usually take the fight right out of someone especially if you hit them before and after a throwing technique ending with a summation. But don't get me completely wrong this is not a sombo vs. Judo argument because I think they are both outstanding and I would love to cross-train the two of them because they are so similar! Russian sambo is basically Judo mixed with Western wrestling and leg locks and I think sombo even has their own variation of throwing techniques! I think sombo is better for the young martial artist and Judo is better for the Aging martial artist I don't think vice versa? Your thoughts would be appreciated though. Like I said I would love to cross-train two of them!
biggest advantages of sambo made by olimpic rulecuts of judo. Sambo allows and teaches you and to block grips on straight arms , as you you see sambo wrestler uses even head to block. Judo wrestler not ready to it and this is biggest difference here
Cool randori! I enjoyed watching
Thank you!!🙏🏻
What was that ippon attempt?
This is exactly why Judo needs to bring leg take downs.
What OS the Brand of the sambo wrestling shoes
Very good match from different styles.
Молодец,Самбо рулит.
Is it a normal thing for judo black belts to give up their back constantly?
You mean exposing backs to the mat?
Yes, to avoid pin.
@@christianmichaels6834 oh I just watched again. I was brand new I didn't see him turtling and protecting his neck. At the time I thought he was opening him self up to be choked out lol. Long time ago. Cheers all
No never saw a black belt judo motion slow as this
Either playing or just the level at yellow belt
Turtling up should be illegal. It always made me sick when I'd see somebody do that. Do that in a real fight and see what happens.
ok but is this a real fight?
Most people take up a martial art to learn how to protect themselves. Turlting up teaches you how to stall and act defenseless.
I clicked for the names lol But the match was cool too.
Yeah, there’s no way that guy is a real black belt in judo. He’s exhausted 30 seconds in and his form is sloppy all over the place.
Jason Downs are you a "Real" Black Belt
No, but I train with many of them and there’s definitely a standard. It’s pretty easy to spot. You don’t have to play in the NBA to tell when somebody can’t hit a free throw.
Jason Downs shaq says you can play in the NBA and not hit a free throw.
Jason Downs I agree. I’ve been doing Judo since I was 5 (24 now)
This guy definitely doesn’t seem to be top tier..
there are a great many things you are not considering, mainly this: once you get a Black Belt you never lose it. this dude could have made it to Black belt a decade ago and stopped training till the day this video got recorded.....
Что за мешки?
Молодые ребята
The "judo" guy doesn't have very judo-like posture, and doesn't seem to understand the basics of grip fighting or kazushi... I understand that the Japanese don't have the same standards when it comes to grading but calling a guy/kid like this a blackbelt is really detrimental to the perception of Judo as a whole.
Rhidian D Okay. are you a black belt of Judo? what is "Kazushi"?
@@captainkid9469 kuzushi is breaking the balance of your opponent. You don't need a black belt to understand that. That's white belt stuff. Right after they teach you how to fall...
@@socalbeachieboy6135 yes, kuzushi. not Kazushi.
I Like Both Styles Judo Including Russian Sambo Wrestling.🥋🤼 👍🏼
sambo is basically old judo but developed in soviet union
judo guy is not good at judo
박영규 where's your Judo video?
sorry im just 3rd dan of judo and starts at 2008. just ma opinion. like this compatition is good but If judoka had done a little better... maybe next time..
박영규 please show me your video. Just an opinion.
@there's just no way this guy is a black belt lol.
True i do judo and litterally new comers are better than this guy
Dominio total del practicante de sambo
Pos para el ejercicio jala, pero como marcial eso de dar la espalda = ya valió.
Ohh.. Nice👍🏻
Why the judoka never even attempted a seoi-otoshi is far beyond my understanding. 🤔
Самбо рулит! Слава СССР!
light sparring but you can see differences in stances and grips- sambo fighter better at blocking grips because it is allowed in sambo, he blocks by hands and used even his head to block
SAMBO the best!
this is not sambo, sambo uses kicks and punches so it is obvious that there is some kind of agreement behind this encounter
There's actually different forms of sambo that someone can train for/compete in. Grappling only sambo is a thing you're talking about 'combat sambo'. P.S. Funnily enough, Judo actually has strikes in its kata, but it's banned for competition and most training. The strikes are pretty much similar to what you'd see in karate and Japanese jujitsu; they're for self defense purposes in combination with regular judo grappling.
@@kaylemkerr6989 thank you for the clarification
In my humble opinion if that is a black belt judoka I am a tailor, without offense...
Judo not used to leg grabs. It’s a shame.
This Sambist has great takedowns and is good at securing dominant position, but his leg locks are ass
Eles dão as costas pra não ficar de costas pro chão! Isso é suicídio numa briga de verdade, ou contra um lutador de jiu Jitsu
Judoka mast doo drop ipon seoi nage and osoto makikomi
No one can defeat sambo fighter especially dagastan warriors
This black belt dont represent a black belt of judo, hes not training at all.
Самбо круче,самбо рулит!!!
Дзюдока слабее просто технически
red guy loves the foot locks 🤣👍
So many beginner mistakes in this judo practice. Head way foward ,no entry or balance .
Judoka was just playing, right? I don't think a black belt in Judo is like that
Что специально подобрали изначально слабого борца, вероятно вообще не имеющего понятия о дзюдо
Я тоже-самое подумал
Judo guy was sand bagging.
Чего гадать, что сильнее?!! Виды борьбы-то похожи. В фильме "Гений Дзюдо" я вообще не нашёл разницы между Джиу-джицу и Дзюдо, а Самбо-- это их производное!
Malez...I ne poxoz na Sambista...
Yze davno...brosil by...I na ydushenie vzial...
Tak zabava dlia Japanese boys.
Shaman Samurai NYC 🇺🇸
@@nikolaipotapenkov8823 похож на самбиста, стойка низкая ноги не прямые , блокирует прямым руками да еще и головой, он определенно занимался и самбо и немалое время. Дзюдоист как раз тоже похож на дзюдоиста, отвык блокировать прямыми руками ( а может и не умел никогда) из за правил и стоит ровно как столб
Wrestling experience - 2 weeks. They both have no idea what to do ...
What the huh?? Not and judo I have seen. His newaza is weak. He is leaning forward. Can we get some context here? Not even one combo just keeps going for should throw lol. -- this has to be staged
Там,бросок в партере надо делать было
I don't think either of them are particularly proficient in their respective arts
Cocaine and Dunhills Okay keyboard warrior
How does that make me a keyboard warrior at all lmao
Cocaine and Dunhills Show your video first. Let me see your skills keyboard warrior.
Captain Kid is that you in the video
Cocaine and Dunhills No. My friends. It's light sparring and this is like their 16th round that day. Where's your video?
Depois que o judô tirou as quedas de perna virou isso aí.....
the way he did his seo nage made me wanna kms
yosh 9w show me yours
His reply show ne your video your judo, I get the feeling he cant take opinions really well. Down voted for that.
Judo guy needs to be more explosive
If that's a black belt I'm a 6th Dan then.
It's practicnar
El judoka tiene poca experiencia es notoria esa falta de experiencia , dominio total del precicante
Bad bad bad bad
No es que el judo sea malo, sino que el judoka es un paquete
exacto
Два танцора, особенно типо самбист
Ты бы лучше станцевал ?
Mi 1 er arte marcial: ejercito argentino
бред какой-то
FIGHT TO THE DEATH!! Not really though.
Tao qurendo lutar ou outra cosa? Nada a ver
I think I rather wear wrestling shoes 👟👟
Este yudoka sería un paseo para un buen luchador ,no sabe defender piernas ,una lastima
White belt.....
parace falso xd
Sambo is much more athletic.
peace
оба мешки
Не совсем
good match
Both of these guys are novice
I'm blackbelt in judo and it seems than the judoka is very weak...it's hard top believe than he is really even a Brown belt
Nak Muay it seems that you are a judgemental black belt. They're exhausted in this vid.
No just a boxer and a judoka who train in MMA🖕 😀 But i repeat This Guy level seem very weak !!! i see Green belt more offensive than him...maybe he don't want hurt his opponent?
Nak Muay Hey keyboard warrior, i didn't ask and not interested... show me your sparring vids. After 20rounds of sparring, take a vid. Prove your strength.
Lol you Can think im a keyboard warrior if it help you to fap😂 i really don't Care and have nothing to prove for stupide geek like u...
@@nakmuay2485 All you did was type ad hominems, after claiming to be a Martial Artist that trains in multiple arts. (Boxing, Judo and whatever else)
On top of that judged the judo guy in the video as low level. Then say, you have nothing to prove, even though you made claims.
Do you see the hypocrisy in what you did?
A ho
wtf
Langweilig!
El de Judo no es muy bueno
Esse judoca é ruim
Not much technical skill
Luta feia pra caramba!
Esse judoca é fraco caindo em golpes de judô no caso coltigare.
Too slow
🤮🤮🤮
へた
Slick trip at 1:36
Very bad
Obviously, these guys aren’t training at full capacity. You don’t think that Judoka could’ve hip tossed or arm dragged that Sambist? He easily could’ve, but as you can see (if you pay attention), they’re lightly sparring. Why go 100% and hurt your training partner? Makes no sense to. Especially if they’re friends. People have way too many opinions and “facts” to share. When in reality, both of these guys could fuck you up probably at full speed 🤷🏼♂️.
sambo has advantage in grips - sambists more skilled in bloccking - have lower stance and uses even head to block -
Sambo 🤣 JUDO 👍
Sambo 👍
If this guy is really a black belt, then shame on him when you wear that black you need to wear the weight of it on you too not just to show off you’re a black show you worth it… even if it was just a training most of his techniques was wrong… a white belt or yellow belt would have done a better job than this guy
I disagree, I've met many 1st degree black belts from Japan who "suck"...
the difference is that in the west, most people only get their 1st degree black... in Japan, it is VERY common for judoka to get their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th degree black belts through intense competition... it's literally a college major at some colleges... at the higher ranks, black belts are fucking dangerous and can cripple you. Thank being said, belt rank inflation does make the art look weak
Bad judoka.🤮
Been doing judo about 13 years, I can tell that he aint judo Black belt... Bull shit!! What a joke, really looks like a normal green belt.
Christofer where's your video? show me.
LOL!!! No way a real black belt. So fake...
where is your black belt?
Fake judo Black belt
jorge esquivel how about you? real black belt? show me your vids
It looks like two kids fighting.
David Girard please show me your adult fighting video.
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