Hi guys, I'm glad, that so many of you interested in this Klon topic. Thank you all for your comments. While Kris has already addressed this in the video, I'd like to emphasize that we chose to create this video under such exclusive circumstances to highlight the subtle sonic differences and similarities between the original Klon and the Pelion. We developed the Pelion for guitarists who value a pedal that not only captures the sound of the original but also comes close in terms of dynamics and playing feel, without the need to shell out $5000 for it. With our small development team, we've tested numerous Klon clone pedals alongside originals, and our experience has shown that while some come close in sound, they fall short in dynamics and playing feel. Of course, it's challenging to convey feelings through a video, as these are subjective experiences. Nevertheless, this is one of the most important message of this video. I consider it highly important for a pedal to have its own 'flavor', with all its minor flaws and greatness, inspiring when you play it. The Pelion include every bits of an original Centaur. Of course, it's not perfect, nor does it aim to be, and perhaps it's precisely this subtle flavor difference that inspired for example Philip Sayce to use the Pelion instead of his original Klons on his new album. Enjoy this video!😉 Cheers, Albert
First thing. The production quality of this video is thru the roof. Like you normaly have pretty good sound, but this video is somewhere else. 👌👍 So, the Klon-out. They sound pretty radically different to me. The Klon in comparation sounds even transparent here, like I hear more of the amp and more of the guitar comming thru. And more note clarity, crispier attack. Paleon sounded pretty focused in uppermids, Id even say close to Marshall in a Box pedal (better then some dedicated MIAB pedals) at higher gain settings it even has some Distortion+ vibes.
Thanks so much my dude! Yeah, you clearly have a pair of trained ears 👏 Most people agree that the Bad Monkey sounds just like the Centaur in Josh‘s video. Just sayin‘ 😅
A friend has an original gold Klon which I played live on at least three occasions. I also owned a Soul Food and a KTR. I never liked any of them. I might be in the minority, but I think they're overrated. I don't mind hearing others use them, but not my thing.
Quite the difference. The original sounds fantastic. The other one sounds good too, but it’s missing the clarity and airiness of the original. But I came to hear Kris play, so it sounds great either way.
That may be true or not. Gain pedals will sound different into a guitar amp if the output of each isn't set exactly the same, and it's impossible to tell if the output is the same with all the variables between them.
@@GCKelloch Ok, but uhhh…I’m commenting about IN THIS VIDEO. You know, the one where Kris is comparing how the two pedals sound? They don’t sound the same in the video and I described how they were different. Can they be dialed in to sound more similar? Quite likely, but that’s not going to change what we heard IN THE VIDEO. See?
@@DAZ0204 Sure, but this statement: "The original sounds fantastic. The other one sounds good too, but it’s missing the clarity and airiness of the original." very much implies that the difference is due to the pedals, rather than how the relative output affects the gain envelope in the amp. I don't see the reason for your seemingly sarcastic first sentence when so many guitar players don't even consider that the relative output can be what makes up much of the difference in gain pedals. As much as I love TPS, and the hosts, I see them run around in endless circles trying to explain gain pedal differences when it could just be the output difference.
@@GCKelloch It’s a comparison video. One sounds one way in the video, the other sounds another way. Kris tried to get them close and I stated the differences I heard that are present in the video. Everyone is fully aware that you can dial in both pedals different ways; it goes without saying. You can do that with any gear. Do you have anything else irrelevant to add or are we good now?
I'm so glad that I discovered early on that I don't really like Klon style pedals. I tried a few years ago, and even though they all sounded a little different, I wasn't a fan of what any of them were doing. Very strange, I know. (I haven't tried an Archer though, to be fair. I know how much people love them) But I'm glad because I never had to go down that particular rabbit hole, looking for the utimate Klon clone. (I could never afford an original anyway, so that was never in question) That's okay though, there are many other guitar gear rabbit holes to go down!
I have the Ceriatone Centura and love it as an always on boost it definitely adds “something” but tweaking my MXR ten band can also produce a very similar tone 😉 Great vid btw
I’m using the NUX copy and i run it as an always on 0 gain treble around one o’clock and volume to taste. It just adds a bit of sweetness. It also works as a beautiful drive if you bring up the gain.
Thanks for doing this shootout with your usual passion and in such an exclusive environment! Always a pleasure to listen to. Although not particularly a fan of this OD type, I must admit it has a magic of its own. The guys from Kasleder seem to have done a great job with thier clone. Don't crucify me, it's just a matter of taste IMO but I actually prefer it to the original, seems a little bit tighter and chimier. The original sounds a bit warmer and looser to my ears, or woodier as you say. Hope you enjoyed the gig, Kris!🤘
I’ve tried a few Klones. Not yet tried the Kasleder, but all of his pedals are great. So far, my favourite Klone is Nordvang’s version - Nordvang keeps that chimey sweet open treble if you want it and without any of the harsh brittleness. And the gain in Nordvang’s Klone is really sweet too.
Man, you are the most accurate and safe player on RUclips when comparing gear. Which is awesome, and what other people could learn from! From this side it seems that you put a real effort into not projecting, and being as objective as possible. Just like in the Les Paul tonewood debate. In both examples, you have been as scientific and objective as you can be, all the while having a lot to say and compare about both pieces of gear. Really great video! :D
1 of the better Klon demos I've heard but really, ya oughta be arena live, plugged into 4 or more 100watt stacks with 20,000 singing fans. That would be a true demo of the Klon/clone debate....
06:07 can't be said enough. People often get lost in magic diodes when in fact tolerances in parts make more of a difference. Especially pots often have huge tolerances and might lead to different sounds from one pedal to another (of the same type).
That is a very important and wise statement. Aiming for inspiring gear is so much more worth than trying to impress others with your tone. That’s why I talk about the feel difference / similarity in these videos.
I think the original Klon is a bit smoother with humbuckers, with your Tele I can’t hear a significant difference. A comparison between the Ceriatone Centura and the Pelion would be interesting. I’m just wondering why Albert hasn‘t developed a D-Style overdrive until now… 😅
I believe you it is a unique experience, and that it retains its sweetness... I never tried one so can't comment on it but I believe you... but the question still remains, does it sound 4800$ better than any other Klon clone? 😅😄
Thanks brother! Yeah it’s definitely not worth that price purely for the tone. It‘s a collectors item and as such it holds its value better than most normal pedals though. 🤷♂️
I have never played a Klon but you are dead right in claiming that the important difference among ODs is to be found in the subtle dynamics of our playing. If we simply strum few chords and some licks a lot of ODs will not sound that different. Another other point on which I agree relates to the gain knob after two o'clock: this is the range in which many ODs fail to fully satisfy my ears.
You are a lucky man 💪 I dig both of them, but I feel like on chords with more dirt the OG klon is nicer to my ears. But I do like the Kasleder on single notes a tiny bit more. I also know what you mean with the hard clipping thing, like my JHS notaklon vs the Ryra I can definitely hear that the JHS is more raw and less smoth
I borrowed my friends bad monkey and to me it didn’t really have any gain in it. Not sure if that particular pedal was bad or if that’s how the klon circuit is? First one I’ve tried.
i picked up the warm audio centaro, very happy with it compared to my origin effects hot rod revival drive, way huge overrated special, and other overdrives...its a special fat tone for sure....thx for the demo!
Actually I think you can hear the difference quite well. To me, the Pelion sounds more focused, especially in the top end and is also a bit more chunky in the mids. While the Klon is a bit more open sounding but can also be a bit fizzy. My personal favourite is the Pelion. Well done Albert!
Both pedals are good. Kasleder gives a more compressed sound, more modern or something. The original Clone is more open. Personally, I liked Kasleder more.
Yep they sounded different - but not massively. But hell they both sound beautiful and particularly when played well through 2 excellent amps and miked up and produced through equally awesome gear. I would be happy with either! How they feel under the fingers is what we rely on you telling us about. Thanks
Haha, I wouldn’t say it’s horrible but it definitely sounded and felt like some of the clones. Definitely harsher drive and a less airy saturation than the Centaur.
@@KrisBarocsi Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely try it out. I like fuzz combined with overdrive anyway ...by the way awesome service from thomann ordered the pedal thuesday and should arrive in switzerland friday ...and no additional shipping costs 😉
So overrated. Don’t fall for the overpriced BS. Just play with your amp turned up. Minimal on the pedals. Learn to play (and good vibrato) and ignore pedal salesmen.
@@mr.giggles4995 The standard Tumnus is very different but the Tumnus Germanium, the Centavo and the Pelion are my top 3 klones. Those react and feel like the OG.
Most of us do hear with their wallets and sudo image/status ... the rest of just love these very good "clones" out there and enjoys playing with them ... axe stranglers on a budget get some love too these days or just buy an SD-1 Thanks a lot for sharing this great test drive
Hi guys,
I'm glad, that so many of you interested in this Klon topic. Thank you all for your comments. While Kris has already addressed this in the video, I'd like to emphasize that we chose to create this video under such exclusive circumstances to highlight the subtle sonic differences and similarities between the original Klon and the Pelion. We developed the Pelion for guitarists who value a pedal that not only captures the sound of the original but also comes close in terms of dynamics and playing feel, without the need to shell out $5000 for it. With our small development team, we've tested numerous Klon clone pedals alongside originals, and our experience has shown that while some come close in sound, they fall short in dynamics and playing feel. Of course, it's challenging to convey feelings through a video, as these are subjective experiences. Nevertheless, this is one of the most important message of this video. I consider it highly important for a pedal to have its own 'flavor', with all its minor flaws and greatness, inspiring when you play it. The Pelion include every bits of an original Centaur. Of course, it's not perfect, nor does it aim to be, and perhaps it's precisely this subtle flavor difference that inspired for example Philip Sayce to use the Pelion instead of his original Klons on his new album. Enjoy this video!😉
Cheers,
Albert
Both of the pedals sound great, but the thing I really want here is that 64 Deluxe Reverb. Wow!
Haha, fair enough! What an amp.
First thing. The production quality of this video is thru the roof. Like you normaly have pretty good sound, but this video is somewhere else. 👌👍
So, the Klon-out. They sound pretty radically different to me. The Klon in comparation sounds even transparent here, like I hear more of the amp and more of the guitar comming thru. And more note clarity, crispier attack.
Paleon sounded pretty focused in uppermids, Id even say close to Marshall in a Box pedal (better then some dedicated MIAB pedals) at higher gain settings it even has some Distortion+ vibes.
Thanks so much my dude! Yeah, you clearly have a pair of trained ears 👏 Most people agree that the Bad Monkey sounds just like the Centaur in Josh‘s video. Just sayin‘ 😅
A friend has an original gold Klon which I played live on at least three occasions. I also owned a Soul Food and a KTR. I never liked any of them. I might be in the minority, but I think they're overrated. I don't mind hearing others use them, but not my thing.
Same, whatever frequency they’re boosting, it’s not what I want to hear in my tone.
Quite the difference. The original sounds fantastic. The other one sounds good too, but it’s missing the clarity and airiness of the original.
But I came to hear Kris play, so it sounds great either way.
That may be true or not. Gain pedals will sound different into a guitar amp if the output of each isn't set exactly the same, and it's impossible to tell if the output is the same with all the variables between them.
@@GCKelloch Ok, but uhhh…I’m commenting about IN THIS VIDEO. You know, the one where Kris is comparing how the two pedals sound? They don’t sound the same in the video and I described how they were different. Can they be dialed in to sound more similar? Quite likely, but that’s not going to change what we heard IN THE VIDEO. See?
@@DAZ0204 Sure, but this statement: "The original sounds fantastic. The other one sounds good too, but it’s missing the clarity and airiness of the original." very much implies that the difference is due to the pedals, rather than how the relative output affects the gain envelope in the amp. I don't see the reason for your seemingly sarcastic first sentence when so many guitar players don't even consider that the relative output can be what makes up much of the difference in gain pedals.
As much as I love TPS, and the hosts, I see them run around in endless circles trying to explain gain pedal differences when it could just be the output difference.
I agree. More clarity, airiness (as you say), treble, presence on the genuine Klon Centaur. It’s very noticeable in this video.
@@GCKelloch It’s a comparison video. One sounds one way in the video, the other sounds another way. Kris tried to get them close and I stated the differences I heard that are present in the video.
Everyone is fully aware that you can dial in both pedals different ways; it goes without saying. You can do that with any gear. Do you have anything else irrelevant to add or are we good now?
I'm so glad that I discovered early on that I don't really like Klon style pedals. I tried a few years ago, and even though they all sounded a little different, I wasn't a fan of what any of them were doing. Very strange, I know. (I haven't tried an Archer though, to be fair. I know how much people love them) But I'm glad because I never had to go down that particular rabbit hole, looking for the utimate Klon clone. (I could never afford an original anyway, so that was never in question) That's okay though, there are many other guitar gear rabbit holes to go down!
I have the Ceriatone Centura and love it as an always on boost it definitely adds “something”
but tweaking my MXR ten band can also produce a very similar tone 😉
Great vid btw
I’m using the NUX copy and i run it as an always on 0 gain treble around one o’clock and volume to taste. It just adds a bit of sweetness. It also works as a beautiful drive if you bring up the gain.
I currently own the NuX but I had Wampler and they definitely sound different to me. The Wampler had more clarity, more mids and treble I'd say.
A klon through a SLO is Warren Hayes live rig great.That Les Paul sounds fantastic
And what a crazy fun rig to play.
Thanks for doing this shootout with your usual passion and in such an exclusive environment! Always a pleasure to listen to. Although not particularly a fan of this OD type, I must admit it has a magic of its own. The guys from Kasleder seem to have done a great job with thier clone. Don't crucify me, it's just a matter of taste IMO but I actually prefer it to the original, seems a little bit tighter and chimier. The original sounds a bit warmer and looser to my ears, or woodier as you say. Hope you enjoyed the gig, Kris!🤘
I've had the ryra klon, and I just can't take it off ... maybe one day I'll get the real thing . Thanks for the honesty
I’ve tried a few Klones. Not yet tried the Kasleder, but all of his pedals are great. So far, my favourite Klone is Nordvang’s version - Nordvang keeps that chimey sweet open treble if you want it and without any of the harsh brittleness. And the gain in Nordvang’s Klone is really sweet too.
I’ve tried a Nordvang once, just for a few minutes. It was truly great. 👍
Man, you are the most accurate and safe player on RUclips when comparing gear. Which is awesome, and what other people could learn from! From this side it seems that you put a real effort into not projecting, and being as objective as possible. Just like in the Les Paul tonewood debate. In both examples, you have been as scientific and objective as you can be, all the while having a lot to say and compare about both pieces of gear. Really great video! :D
Aww thanks so much, that means a lot! 🥲
Absolutely ! Kris is awesome and his video's are very helpful, i watch them all 👍👍👍👍
Definitely second that 👍
1 of the better Klon demos I've heard but really, ya oughta be arena live, plugged into 4 or more 100watt stacks with 20,000 singing fans. That would be a true demo of the Klon/clone debate....
OK, maybe I'm late to the game, but the Klon's got less bass and more mids IMHO.
06:07 can't be said enough. People often get lost in magic diodes when in fact tolerances in parts make more of a difference. Especially pots often have huge tolerances and might lead to different sounds from one pedal to another (of the same type).
exactly. And another thing is, parts has parasitic values. Like capacitor does not only has capacity. And these values also vary.
nobody can tell a difrece in a band situation, totaly meningles to pay all that money for centaur.i did own 1 when they dident cost so mutch,
I agree. More clarity, airiness (as you say), treble, presence on the genuine Klon Centaur. It’s very noticeable in this video. Nice recording set-up.
If gear inspires you to play buy it, don't buy it just to sound better.
That is a very important and wise statement. Aiming for inspiring gear is so much more worth than trying to impress others with your tone. That’s why I talk about the feel difference / similarity in these videos.
I think the original Klon is a bit smoother with humbuckers, with your Tele I can’t hear a significant difference. A comparison between the Ceriatone Centura and the Pelion would be interesting. I’m just wondering why Albert hasn‘t developed a D-Style overdrive until now… 😅
I believe you it is a unique experience, and that it retains its sweetness... I never tried one so can't comment on it but I believe you... but the question still remains, does it sound 4800$ better than any other Klon clone? 😅😄
Thanks brother! Yeah it’s definitely not worth that price purely for the tone. It‘s a collectors item and as such it holds its value better than most normal pedals though. 🤷♂️
Sounds identical to me, or close enough.
Wow.this nice.finally you deserve to play that pedal.step on it.yeahhhh⚘🙏🙏🙏👍👍❤🌹🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Blimey.
I have never played a Klon but you are dead right in claiming that the important difference among ODs is to be found in the subtle dynamics of our playing. If we simply strum few chords and some licks a lot of ODs will not sound that different. Another other point on which I agree relates to the gain knob after two o'clock: this is the range in which many ODs fail to fully satisfy my ears.
You are a lucky man 💪 I dig both of them, but I feel like on chords with more dirt the OG klon is nicer to my ears. But I do like the Kasleder on single notes a tiny bit more. I also know what you mean with the hard clipping thing, like my JHS notaklon vs the Ryra I can definitely hear that the JHS is more raw and less smoth
What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend kris ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
I borrowed my friends bad monkey and to me it didn’t really have any gain in it. Not sure if that particular pedal was bad or if that’s how the klon circuit is? First one I’ve tried.
i picked up the warm audio centaro, very happy with it compared to my origin effects hot rod revival drive, way huge overrated special, and other overdrives...its a special fat tone for sure....thx for the demo!
Actually I think you can hear the difference quite well. To me, the Pelion sounds more focused, especially in the top end and is also a bit more chunky in the mids. While the Klon is a bit more open sounding but can also be a bit fizzy. My personal favourite is the Pelion. Well done Albert!
Thanks Mario! Yeah it all comes down to personal preferences. I like both a lot and I’m really happy having the Pelion.
Both pedals are good. Kasleder gives a more compressed sound, more modern or something. The original Clone is more open. Personally, I liked Kasleder more.
Yeah there was a little something between the two but honestly, both were super dynamic and awesome to play. Thanks for watching!
Yep they sounded different - but not massively. But hell they both sound beautiful and particularly when played well through 2 excellent amps and miked up and produced through equally awesome gear. I would be happy with either! How they feel under the fingers is what we rely on you telling us about. Thanks
Thanks for watching! This was an unforgettable day and honestly, all the guitar, pedal and amp combinations were amazing.
I’m glad to know I’m not crazy for thinking my KTPR sounded awful
Haha, I wouldn’t say it’s horrible but it definitely sounded and felt like some of the clones. Definitely harsher drive and a less airy saturation than the Centaur.
tomorrow my kasleder vintage king should arrive from thomann ... I'm curious ...also have the toxic twins, awesome pedal! ...cool video as allways😉
Oh man, that fuzz is insane. I hope you’ll like it as much as I do.
@@KrisBarocsi thanks kris! love fuzz pedals and your demo of the VK sounds incredible ...But I'll definitely know more tomorrow 😅
@@rogerYT69 Try it in front of the Toxic Twins too. God it‘s so good.
@@KrisBarocsi Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely try it out. I like fuzz combined with overdrive anyway ...by the way awesome service from thomann ordered the pedal thuesday and should arrive in switzerland friday ...and no additional shipping costs 😉
@@rogerYT69 Kris' demo of the Vintage King also convinced me to buy it, after he convinced me of the Toxic Twins 🤣. I am really happy with this pedal.
Next video Klon vs Notaklon?
Haha, if someone brings a Notaklon, why not. 😂
But, where is the PJD mod video...? ! 😂
Haha, don’t worry dude, next week. 😝
10:08 tone of the video ❤❤
Pretty darn close if you asked me.
Nagyon menő! :) A Deluxe Reverb pedig egy álom.
Az ám, kegyetlen a deluxe. Köszi!
Lets hear some METAL in your future vids!!
the most overrated guitar tone in history - the klon tone
So overrated. Don’t fall for the overpriced BS. Just play with your amp turned up. Minimal on the pedals. Learn to play (and good vibrato) and ignore pedal salesmen.
Ryra
I really wanna try one finally.
As a planet, can we agree that nobody will EVER make another Klon video, because who the Hell cares anymore?
The cheaper adequate audio interfaces become, the less magic pedals/amps/strings/woods/etc. are there in the wild.
Warm audio centavo is just the best klon clone
Have you tried the Wampler or NuX Klon clones?
@@mr.giggles4995 The standard Tumnus is very different but the Tumnus Germanium, the Centavo and the Pelion are my top 3 klones. Those react and feel like the OG.
@@KrisBarocsitime to try Way Huge Conspiracy Theory, very good one.
Most of us do hear with their wallets and sudo image/status ... the rest of just love these very good "clones" out there and enjoys playing with them ... axe stranglers on a budget get some love too these days or just buy an SD-1
Thanks a lot for sharing this great test drive
Thanks so much buddy! SD-1 for the win. 🥳