@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 Russell doesn’t have the stats that Lebron and Jordan have. Lebron doesn’t have the MVPs, rings and scoring titles that Jordan has. It’s not just about winning it’s about winning and stats. Only Jordan has both.
@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 no bill I had only 2 rounds 8 teams only 2 black players per team had and 8 hofers teammates with almost no players movement I do still consider him top 5 tho but greatest ever just because the chips is just to much
He’s a goof, so is Shannon Sharpe. They were the same ones who said Cavs would beat GS back in 2017. Then when LBJ couldn’t do it, they flipped it to “well GS is a superteam, nobody can beat them not even MJ with that Cavs team”. It’s their job to cover for him when he fails so he can get a pass. As always LBJ fans ran with all of this.
Finally someone brought up how LeBron missed the playoffs in his first 2 years but Jordan gets knocked for losing in the first round averaging 40 a game 😂
Are you aware that Michael Jordan may have lost in the first round when he first started but he never got swept, and his competition, which is Larry Bird, gave him the biggest compliment ever when he first started out in the NBA that’s after he scored 63 points on his team that God discusses Michael Jordan, but I could state this LeBron will never reach the pinnacle that Michael Jordan has any only reason why they won games is because he sat out for a month and then the started winning games and I was not surprised by that at all
Because people knock James for getting swept in the finals, Jordan needed a Allstar team and NBA rule changes to get to the finals lebum did it damn near solo p.s. I'm pretty sure it's more impressive to get to the finals then to get smoked in the first round seems like common sense eh
Jordan never got beat with those teams that your saying were loaded.in which they weren’t ! If the 2011 finals don’t open your eyes of the hype machine Laflop is. Nothing will …
@@wickid-the-rogue except Jordan won the finals twice without an all star teammate lol. LeBron torn through a weak east but when he finally met a tough opponent ie warriors or spurs he was slaughtered
Do you know why that is? Because the people that say that nonsense knows absolutely nothing about basketball Micheal Jordan the first time ever walking on a NBA floor in 1984 as a rookie was already the best player in the league and from 1984 - 1990 Micheal Jordan was literally by himself playing against 5 players and is why he averaged 40 and 37 and all those ridiculous numbers because he was by himself I won’t bash anyone who bashes Micheal Jordan in those years because I don’t think they’re disrespecting Jordan at all…. What I’m starting to realize and understand is that it’s just simply a lack of understanding and don’t really understand the game like they should
@@jamahlapoynter8774 hey dum dum you know the hand check foul doug and the bad boy pistons look how they beat up jordan like they wanna kill him you think that lebron can stand like he cries when someone fouls him thats why he leflop dooug😮💨
I take it you did not do well in school. Let me see if I can help: It's impressive for an old man to win at a young man's sport and it's more understandable that a 38yr old loses than a 29 yr old. Its the old addage that you can't win against an old man. If you win you're beating someone out of their prime and if you lose you were beat by an old guy.
@@andrewcook1246 bro.. If you can win you do it, if you cant ITS OKAY.. LeBron isnt that guy.. MJ 3peatn with guys LeBron couldnt even win once with men that are top 10 players/scorers of all time
That’s a valid argument. If 38 year old mj loses, no one will bat an eye, if he wins, it will be talked about. Age becomes a valid argument that work both way.
@@juliuscaesar6994 Bulls team was the 90s superteam. Jordan had a much better team and organization than LeBron. Jordan ain't beating the teams that beat LeBron if we switch 'em. Jordan beat teams that never were with the exeption of the Lakers who were far from Showtime by 91.
That's what Lebron fans always say. Bill Russell's 11 championships or Robert Horry's 7 championships which is true and respected. But Michael Jordan is still the GOAT
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 Bill Russell wasn't the main offensive weapon of the team, and played in the infancy of the league. He was primarily a defender on his team. No, Russell isn't the GOAT. If you think so, it's because you're dumb.
This is why a lot of people say they don't mind LeBron but they find LeBron fanboys annoying. Their arguments tend to be emotional instead of logically/factually sound and consistent.
Naw, LBJ is just as bad. I know there’s a certain group who hate him solely due to politics which shouldn’t be used for what he does on the court but he does have people who dislike his lack of awareness and the constant need of attention by trying to change the narrative in his favor. Like recently he brought up retirement, when we know damn well he won’t but it was just a way to divert attention away from him getting the broom. Also him saying he’s never been on a flopping team when this guy is a well known flopper.
@@manwerama If Jordan would play in the 2010s and 2020s, he would also flop and be the GOAT at the same time, if LeBron played in the 1990s he would be as tough as Jordan and wouldn't flop. That's because the rules of the game change every year.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I don't care about his politics. I respect his greatness. Would have respected it even more if he never team jumped to form team ups. I never liked his game aesthetic, or play style and i personally find him insufferable and just flat out unlikable. Nothing genuine about him and it's all about the attention being on him, be it how good a father or how much he gives to the community. It's all PR. Beyond that, his flopping for a man his size and with his advantages and a man of his age and social status jumping up and down and whining like a child throwing a tantrum when it doesn't go his way just flat out looks pathetic and sad to me. He's really off putting. Like a perimeter version of Karl Malone. I saw a meme of a photo of Karl Malone and Melo, and that's who LeBron and KD would be without their team ups-i think it may be accurate.
@@ananmuadi31 Not flop. Jordan wanted to COMPETE. His competitive nature was far too insane for him to use such tactics. He competed at EVERYTHING, not just basketball. Would he create ways to draw fouls in this soft era? ABSOLUTELY. Jordan was crafty like that. But flopping? No. Also, because of this soft era and how it's so geared for offense, this is why Jordan would realistically average 40-45 points a game. He would've undoubtedly mastered the 3pt shot, being it's so relevant in this era and he would get more FTs and he shot 83-84% for his career. It easy to see how Jordan could average at least 40 a game in this era. But no, sir...Lebron wouldn't be as tough in the 90s, because Lebron has shown himself to be MENTALLY weak far too often in his own era. That wouldn't translate well in the 90s, regardless of his physicality.
Michael Jordan averaged 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.9 assists in 82 games in his rookie season in 1984-85 and he had just turned 21. Jordan has always been better his coaches kept him handcuffed.
I left out that LeBron lost at the Olympics and Jordan didn't plus Jordan even has a NCAA title but he did virtually nothing outside of six championships right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
LeBron also lost in the semi-finals at the Fiba World Championship in 2006, how pathetic is it for the self-proclaimed goat and chosen one that Kobe had to carry him to an international gold? Lol
@Beery spot on man ,jordon scored about 1800 points in his 3 years at unc, add 2 years playing b ball the all time scoring record would be his easily. plus he rarelymissed games after his 2nd year
People don't realize the longer that LeBron James plays the longevity actually is working against him... because like this video says Michael Jordan has more championships, more finals MVPs, more League MVPs, more defensive accolades and has accomplished all of that even though he played five less years than LeBron. People talk about the scoring title, no big deal, I mean Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the scoring title for 32 years and even with that record, his name was never consistently listed as being the greatest of all time...
People forget that Michael Jordan in college was literally whooping a team of NBA All-Stars with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson while he was on Team USA 8 games in a row and never losing. I highly disagree that LeBron was better at age 20.
There is no part of Lebron's career where he was better than Jordan...none. Jordan played on a shit team at 38 years old. He didn't have an Anthony Davis and he hasn't played for 2 years prior.
@@KyprosEc Lebron is miles ahead it’s nostalgia against facts here. Lebron is better than Jordan at everything. Jordan just had a better team in a weaker expansion era playing against 5”2 guards and athletic white guards. It’s Lebron and not even close.
@cheyheyway6244 sorry you're out to lunch. Learn the facts and come back to me. We can't make up new excuses for Lebron every time he loses. Missed playoffs in years 1 and 2. Jordan joined a team of talentless Cocaine addicts and made the playoffs in his first season where his team had 0 business being in the playoffs. As for 5'2 white guys what a moronic comment. Last I checked mugsy was the shortest dude in nba history and he was a 5'5 black man. Jordan was 6'6..average height Even by the standards in those days. You keep spewing drivel based on 0 facts to support no argument whatsoever. Yes, everybody sucked when Jordan played that's why he was so good 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@cheyheyway6244 That argument needs to die a thousand deaths despite getting debunked numerous times.That argument practically insulted Moses Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Barkley, Hakim, Bird, Magic, and other 80-90 legends. Hornet, Heat, Magics were playoff contenders. Expansion in the 90 actually balanced the games were each team has at least one superstar and a saw a fierce competition especially the Eastern Conference.
It was sooo tough: Bulls: Rodman, Pippen, Harper, Kukoc, Kerr, Jordan vs Malone (notorious choker), Stockton, Hornacek and Russell? XD such a challenge.
@@andrewcook1246 half a season without Pippen, yeah it was tough. Did you really mention Kerr with his 8 ppg? Tell the truth, you never watched those games did you?
@@depannist He was also the most accurate 3pt shooter in the league and to this day had the highest %. Also,hard to avg 15 or 20 in a team with Jordan jacking up half the field goals for the team. I did watch. Old enough to have seen the guy's Jordan patented his game after.
@@andrewcook1246 The "only 1 ball" argument works in pretty much every sport but basketball, where it's literally embedded in the game to pass the ball. So as long as you can shoot, you're going to get opportunities. And 8 ppg is 4 shots made in 3 hours, which is pretty inexcusable no matter what. But when you're saying he had the highest success rates/percentages, out of how many attempts? An 8/8 100% attempt at something does not even come close to a 145/175 82% attempt for example, and no one would ever argue the 100% being higher makes it mean more than the 82% attempt.
@@andrewcook1246 you want to know why people remember Karl Malone as a choker? Because he lost to Jordan. They beat a super team of Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley and Clyde Drexler AND the Shaq and Kobe Lakers
The debate ended in 2011 when LeBron lost to the Mavericks. MJ is on the top of the mountain by himself. There is no debate and should never be compared to.
Not to discredit Uncut but it's not even about competency really. Just like that Twitter moron's take most of their lies could be found out with a 30 second google search. That'd be all you need to stop the whole "LeBron instantly started taking his teams to the Finals dogshit." It's insane how this thing has ever been a debate to people. Jordan is by far the superior player.
@@chucknorris2418 yeah but my point is at least there is someone pushing back on a platform for people to see at face value without looking anything up. Because most casual people don't. They just listen and take things as factual
@@cherry8385 what about him? Didn't play long enough to do anything and injuries derailed his career. Even if he didn't get injured he still wasn't sniffing Jordan's level of game-to-game performance or accolades...
His ability to go further more often is pretty impressive and people downplay the shit out of it. Also Mike wasn't beating the teams that beat LeBron. Only in 2k where Jordan's somehow a great 3 pt shooter xD.
@@cheyheyway6244 You call me delusional then have the nerve to call Jordan a glorified scorer. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. His era wasn't weak either. That's a narrative perpetuated by delusional LeBron fans to try and artificially diminish Jordan to make LeBron look better. You can argue LeBron's era was stronger while still acknowledging Jordan played in a strong era too, and I don't understand why none of you get that. You actually hurt your case for LeBron trying to argue Jordan's era being weak and don't even realize it.
@@davidmartinez52420 Jordan is a glorified Derozan. He got lucky to play in an expansion era. With more teams being introduced it’s harder for established teams to catch up to who is already good because the draft picks and free agents are spread around. Also the dynasties from the 80s were fatigued and retiring. It may be the weakest era .
When jordan was 21 he played against the all stars and battered them and then coach bobby knight said he is the greatest player i have ever seen and thats all she wrote....
Just the other day after LBJ got the broom his fan base worked overtime in trying to smear MJ’s name by coming up with dumb takes. I saw one that said MJ was the one who was load managing, then I saw how they added 4 more years to his 15 year career to make their point lmao. That’s LBJ fans for ya, no context whatsoever.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Lol, the classic, "Jordan took time off because he retired" line. As if that's the same as taking time off while you're getting paid to play basketball.
@@John6-40 yea and they act like missing almost two years of basketball play was beneficial for MJ lol. Meanwhile whenever LBJ had a bad game after missing several weeks of play his fans will say how he’s rusty. That he’s just getting into a rhythm but somehow MJ missing two years helped him lol.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx They seem to act as if it's that easy to take that much time off and come back in immediate tip top shape. It's especially hilarious when they apply that to the 2 years he played in Washington after 3 whole years off. You can tell they aren't in their 30s when they say dumb ass shit like that, and anyone that is in their 30s or older that says it is willfully lying or a complete idiot.
Jordan actually only played 11 full seasons with the Bulls. His 2nd season he was out with a foot injury and then he only played the final 17 games when he came back from baseball. He accomplished ALL his winnings and accomplishments in only 11 seasons! He only played for the wizards 2 years to help inspire the weak team that he was managing. He was hardly in shape and had knee injuries during both seasons. MJ vs LB is not even a debate. Not even close.
And missed the playoffs both years with the Wizards. He also failed to make the finals in his 7th year in the NBA He was swept twice by Bird in the playoffs
There's a saying that goes: " You know what's the worst thing of being on top, the only way is down", meaning, Lebron was on top the moment he got drafted to NBA straight out of high school (only 18), already going against the big boys, and especially after just his 2nd year in NBA, his performance in the 2004 season, everyone's expectations for Lebron was skyrocketed, all the way on top, so from there on, 2005 to 2010, everytime Lebron didnt win a ring, he will get criticize. While Jordan get to play couple years in college, so he was psychologically more prepared than Lebron, MJ was drafted in 1984 by The Bulls when he was 21, played couple years, then already just in his 5th and 6th year (1989) and (1990) respectively, he had future star Pippen and coach Phil by his side, The Bulls went to the Semi Finals twice (so why would he switch teams for if he's already on a great team?) and won 3 rings in a row the following years. For Jordan, people's expectations for him were building up, getting better and better. 10 years, started from, when MJ got drafted into NBA to 1994, he already won 3 rings, so of course MJ was able to accomplish more than Lebron in a short timeframe. 18 years old Lebron stayed with the Cavaliers (one of the worst team in NBA history) for 7 years, the furthest they ever made it this far was their first final appearance in 2007 at the time, led by James ( something no player done before for any team). Can't really blame him for going to Miami Heat. There's only that much he could had done for the Cavs, it's a team sport. He finally won his very 1st ring in 2010.
George Foreman has a record of 76 Wins - 5 Losses in 28 years Boxing Career, the oldest champ at 45 & still knocking people out at 48. ALI's record is 56 Wins - 5 Losses in a much shorter 20 years Career. If both were ever fought at 48 and George won, still no one would ever said George Foreman is better than ALI.....Same exact comparison here. People just don't have any idea how huge the DOMINANCE and the IMPACT those 2 legends brought to the sports and why they called the GOATS.
Can you REALLY say a 20 year old BRON was better than a 20 year old MIKE . Now you are usually spot on with your breakdowns and analysis. A 21 year old, make or 20 if I’m not mistaken) was just finishing up his junior year. Before the Olympics, him and his college squad, beat prime, NBA all stars with a 6-0 record, please check who played on that NBA team of talent. That college team went on to win the gold… A 20 year old LeBron James, lost in the Olympics and in the FIBA games it took Kobe Bryant to join the squad for them to win. Please talk about this !!
exactly, Mike was better at 20 years old. Lebron was not a well rounded nor remotely polished player when he entered the NBA. just athletic, big and mainly a dunker, couldn't shoot worth a damn.
Exactly...he kept losing for Team USA (2004 & 2006) until Kobe decided to play. Had Kobe not played in 2008, Spain may have beaten them. To be honest, Dean Smith was a great teacher of fundamentals but I believe he held MJ back from truly showing what he could do because he wanted everybody to touch the ball each time down the court or at least try to. Bobby Knight unleashed him. Also, those NBA All Stars got irritated and started to play like the Bad Boys because they kept getting beat so much but it didn't work.
To be fair to James, Jordan bears the shame of leading the first NBA U.S. Olympic team to fail to even play for the gold medal and had to settle for a bronze. Oh wait. That was LeBron James. Not only did Jordan win an Olympic Gold Medal as an amateur, on the most dominant olympic team of all time (the 1992 Dream Team - the greatest collection of basketball talent), Jordan won the gold and was the undisputed alpha dog of the team.
Great video! I commend you because we need content creators to tell the truth and combat the lies and misinformation on social media! Salute to you ‼️🤘🏾
One important fact that people always miss is that MJ played for the Wizards after 3 years of absence and rusting, and MJ was not playing to win championships, nor to chase stats or accolades. MJ played for the Wizards just try to fulfill promises so that he could eventually own the team.
Ok and lebron played for the Lakers cuz of Kobe death and brought a champion to the Lakers but people still pressure him to win a title at 38 when he already got a title for the Lakers
MJ was 3 years retired enjoying the fruits of his labor. 6 rings, 2x 3peats and an incredible last dance run at 35 carrying the Bulls. 3 years off. Severed his shooting finger on a cigar cutter that he got surgery on and never fully regained motion on it. Tendinitis in his shooting wrist, and both knees. Got his ribs broken in the offseason as he was training to return. Had fluid drained from his knees throughout his 38/39 year old season. MJ played for free and on one of the worst teams. LeBron would have joined Shaq and Kobe if in the same place no doubt in my mind.
A wise man once said ‘You play to WIN the game’. Unfortunately the younger generations have gotten participation trophies most of their lives and that it’s ok just getting there. The Bills would trade 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances for ONE ring. True winning isn’t the only equation but it’s one of the most important ones.
You can’t really compare their scoring at 38 because defense is poop now. Not to mention MJ was almost 39 when he started playing for the Wizards. Bron isn’t looking as hot now as even earlier in the season.
What a joke trying to compare Mr I retire twice to LBJ who never retired during his tenure. MJ has less than 2/3rd of LBJs mileage at a comparable age.
Absolutely. This so-called "debate" doesn't even exist in reality and will vanish after Lebron retires and the media stop talking about him all the time. Lebron's legacy will be inferior to those of Magic, Bird, and others in the long run, and he could end up even out of the top 10 after this embarrassing Denver series.
One thing you did t mention is it was harder to score when Jordan was playing…. The game was more physical… Now there are a lot of rules that give advantage to the offense. If Jordan played not he would average 45-50 points… A lot of NBA players agree
Not to mention that MJ never won anything but GOLD in the Olympics (2 GOLD MEDALS) & won a NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP in North Carolina... back when the VERY BEST players went to college. MJ's winning goes beyond the NBA... he helped establish Nike, transforming it into a Empire & brought the sport of Basketball to worldwide fame.
Stop using finals records to define individual accomplishments. That a stupid statistic. Jordan was better in his prime but championships had nothing to do with it.
Here are my reasons why MJ is the GOAT. First off, I don’t look at team accomplishments, I only look at individual accomplishments. I am not going to look at rings or if a player has been swept because that ultimately has too many factors and is unfair to one singular player. Basketball fundamentally is a team sport, not an individual one. The only time I do look at this; is if a player did not play up to their standards and affected their team negatively in winning a game or series. Reasons 1 - MJ stayed loyal to the Bulls. Even though he was continuously losing in the playoffs and putting up great stats, he still stayed through the difficult times. He didn’t leave to form a team or leave to a better team. He continued to work on his game and improve while the team was building a cohesive unit around him. Reason 2 - Most individual accomplishments in NBA history. MJ earned most of these awards in his 11 full healthy seasons with the Bulls. There isn’t a player that has the stats, the accolades nor the play that Michael Jordan brought to the table during his 11 healthy seasons with the Bulls. His dominance over the game of basketball is something we will most likely never see again. Reason 3 - Dominant scorer and dominant defender. When looking at the game of basketball logically, the two most important aspects of the game is offense and defense. Scoring is the fundamental aspect of offense, while defending is the fundamental aspect of defense. MJ has 10 scoring titles and a DPOY as a guard. Also has the most regular season blocks for a guard. Top 5 in steals all time as a guard. He also has the highest PPG average in the regular season and in the playoffs. Even though he was a high volume offensive player he was efficient. Reason 4 - The intangibles and fundamentals that MJ possessed were some of the best I’ve seen. I have watched many MJ games and highlights and I still have not seen a play where he wasted a dribble. Every move was done with a purpose and in a flow. As for his intangibles, his goal was to win at any cost, he was clutch, and he had a relentless motor as well as work ethic. Reason 5 - When he came back to the Wizards after not playing for about 3 seasons, MJ still averaged 20 PPG on not great efficiency but not the worst efficiency ever. Let me add context, MJ came back to one of the hardest defensive eras and on some nights still dropped 30+, 40+, or 50 points. He couldn’t drive to the rim as much because his knees weren’t in the best shape and he was older. His game was mostly predicated around perimeter jumpers, posting up, and off ball movement so naturally efficiency will drop. He also didn’t jump as high as he could on his jump shots obviously due to age and his knees. Pre Injury Wizards Jordan was averaging 25, 6, and 5. To comeback to the NBA after 3 seasons and still put up those kind of numbers is incredible and shows that MJ is a one of kind player. Reason 6 - MJ was a preternatural athlete. Simply put, I personally have not seen a player like MJ. The way he moved, dunked the ball, everything was so graceful and looked so natural. I also have never seen a player make so many layups when not even looking at the rim or contorting their body in ways to make a layup. I have never seen a guard posterize 7 footers routinely. I simply have not seen a player like MJ and most likely won’t again. There are once in a generation players and then there are once in a lifetime players. MJ is a once in a lifetime player. He was so good, that it’s like a real life NBA 2k player with 99 in every stats, including intangibles, and the best animations comes alive in reality and takes over basketball. That’s is why I think MJ is the GOAT.
And Reason 7.. Michael Jordan is the ONLY NBA SUPERSTAR who played sick and still won the Game... One of Michael Jordan's trademark in the NBA is his ICONIC FLU GAME in 1997 NBA Finals against the Utah Jazz... I still remember the Final Score of that Game, it's 90-88.. Michael Jordan scored 38 POINTS, 5 ASSISTS, 3 STEALS AND 1 BLOCK #MJ23GOAT
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player that has ever lived throughout the history of man. There has NEVER been a legitimate conversation comparing Ming James to MJ.
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 VS their respective conferences at the time, absolutely. Lebron played the majority of his career in a weak eastern conference while Jordan played the east when it was the much tougher conference. Not acknowledging this is idiotic. There is a reason Lebron made so many Finals and lost and has a losing record.
6 losses were better than 6 rings. We should accept and deal with it. 4 in 20 is better than 6 in 15 No 3-peat is better than 2 3-peat Losing should be glorified. The one being swept should get more media coverage than the sweepers.
I just love it when Bronsexuals say that he's the GOAT... it gives me a chance to SCHOOL these FOOLS with actual FACTS. Then they go INSANE because they can't deal with the TRUTH. Even LeBron "LeQuit" James said that Michael Jordan is the GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.
True no single 3 peat is better than 2 3 peats..but LeBron has never had a 3 peat..had a repeat thx to Ray Allen's shot vs the Spurs but at the end of the day MJ won more MVPs and championships in 15 seasons than LBJ in 20 seasons..and was way more feared and more dominant.
Kareem won 6 rings, 6 league MVP's, 19 All NBA's, 15 All NBA selections, 19 All Star Selections, and 11 all defensive team selections. And the level of competition Kareem played in the 70's & 80's don't compare to the teams MJ played in the 80's. He also didn't shortcut his career and retire multiple times like Jordan did. So by that resume that should put Kareeem over Jordan.
Pip is VERY overrated nowadays. Most nba fans would say he was a superstar when he clearly wasn’t. I guess this just comes from years of espn and fox over hyping him.
LeBron had Shaq on his roster in Cleveland. Jordan took the oldest team ever to a championship in 1998. They never loss three games in a row to get there, while Pippen missed half the season with 35 games. Also the 2022 Lakers should have been 1998 Bulls. Rodman never loss 3 games straight at age 37. Longevity?
But Lebron was more of a complete player. More longevity,athleticism,better rebounder and assister,better controller of the game,better at dictating the flow,tempo and control of the game..u named it.. But prime 4 prime,MJ was slightly a better scorer..thats it..Not a better player
@@thanglura568 More of a complete player, you high asf. LeBron is only effective when he has the ball in his hands. More athletic, you really high asf. LeBron can't do half the stuff Jordan can do. Not to mention LeBron only has a 44 inch vertical, Jordan has a 48 inch vertical. A better rebounder, ummm he's supposed to be, his natural position is SF and he's 6'9" 250, he better be a better rebounder. Jordan is a SG, the job of that position is to score, not grab rebounds, and he could still grab rebounds. A better assister, now you just need to stop talking about basketball, there is no way you watched Jordan's career, and for your sake I hope you didn't with the non sense you're spewing. Again the Shooting Guard position is for "Scoring & Slashing to the basket".. And yet people like you tend to leave out that big stretch when Jordan had to run Point Guard and he was averaging triple doubles when asked to be the PG (the facilitator) and was still averaging over 30pts a game while doing so. And controlling the game is LeBron's down side (The LeBron James Offense).. It doesn't work unless LeBron has the ball in his hands because he can't play off the ball. He never has been able to. He's a transition superstar and a chase down artist, and Jordan is a better transition player than he is anyway. If you were alive when Jordan was playing basketball and you watched his games, there is no way in hell you would be able to come to that conclusion. Go look up their accomplishments, Jordan is killing that man still and he's been retired for 20 years 😂.
@@thanglura568 Jordan was a WAY better defender and rebounder than LeBron. LeBron has just played longer. For example, LeBron has played 20 years and is only 8th in steals all time. Jordan played 15 years and is 4th all time, and is still 250 or so steals away from MJ!!!
@@thanglura568 Better assist? That's why LBJ is not clutch time. He prefers to pass than score. Whereas Jordan is more aggressive when it comes to attacking teh basket. Assist can be just a hand off to another player to shoot. Does that sound "Hard" or "Better" to you... come on. Dictating flow + Tempo? I dun think so too... When in his career did he do that? lolz... Longevity... 101% yes... but that's about it. What individual records do LBJ hold... when the records are not "pad" or "stack" with longevity? NON. His records are all because he played longer.
@Trenton Coleman Jordan was rookie playing against a dynasty team with top 2 players at that time. LeBron, on the other hand, had the best team, with 2 or more all star caliber teammate when he was swept. 😂 How all of you LeBron fans used your brain and logic is really something.
I'm beginning to wonder why this is still a debate. All the numbers and individual performances point to Jordan so the argument for LeBron is... making the playoffs a lot? Weak conference or no 8 straight finals is pretty crazy but not as crazy as winning 6. Honestly I think the best argument against Jordan isn't even LeBron, gotta be Wilt there
There's actually plenty of videos that say that's wrong. The game is soft because Jordan would have sit downs with the NBA about getting "beat" up lebum learned how to flop from Jordan and act like a primadonna, Thomas actually tells the story well on how Jordan would cry to fhe NBA to get rules changed so thank your boys for the NBA being soft now they/NBA had to protect their cash cow facts are facts
Which is even more crazy cause jordan only played 11 healthy seasons with the bulls and did more then bron did while on 3 different teams in 20+ years smh... Damn near has a whole decade on Jordan and still can't catch him smh...
It’s crazy that Jordan’s entire argument is his team’s accomplishments . He’s 1-9 without Scottie in the playoffs. The team had virtually the same record the year after he left. Let’s face facts here Jordan is a glorified scorer on a already elite team.
@@cheyheyway6244 5x MVP 10x Scoring Champ 1x DPOY 9x All-Defensive 1st Team Highest PPG in Reg season Highest PPG in Playoffs Highest PER all time Etc.
@@toogoat9293 Dpoy was underserved anf opinionated. MVP was opinionated players are robbed all the time these days due to voter fatigue. Anyone in the top 3 is MVP worthy it’s just up to the voters. Jordan was a ball hog and lead the league in shots taken every year so naturally he should have the most points. Harden did the same with better efficiency. Harden> Jordan
Dude achieved orgasm when LBJ lost. Dude should do a video on how Jordan is the GOAT despite a whole HoF career separating him from Bill Russell. 15 seasons to 13. 11 chips to 6. 8 in a row vs 3 in a row twice. 2 chips as player-coach vs 0. Russell having more rebounds, blocks and steals, triple doubles, double doubles, quad doubles, etc. I take it Russell fans must feel like MJ fans in 10 years when lebron is the more recognized figure.
MJ fans too: MJ only had Scottie MJ never lost 3 games in a row Once Jordan started eating no one else ate Jordan deserved his DPOTY Jordan had no weaknesses Jordan is the best 1v1 player deslite every C in the leagie being a foot taller and 80 pounds heavier 6 rings in 13 seasons is more impressive than 11 in 13. A doubl 3p3at os better than winning 8 straight.
@@shaft9000 Its youtube, look it up. Mj lost 4 games in a row at least 2 times in the playoffs and during the 80s. Look up Robinson and Hakeem stats and tell me Jordan was a better defender when he won lol. 28% career 3 pt%, etc
MJ played under Dean Smith in college. Recognized as the 5th best NCAA basketball coach of all time. Career winning percentage .7758 He was a mentor to MJ at a young age and helped teach him the discipline to be a champion. MJ hit the winning jumpshot for the NCAA championship in his freshman year. Which may have sparked his killer instinct to win.
Jordan played 4 years of college. His 2nd season he broke his foot, and missed over 60 games. He was forced out the first retirement where he missed almost 2 full seasons. Then retired 2 more seasons before the Wizards seasons. Had he went straight to NBA like LeBum, the almost full season missed with his foot, and the retirement years that's 8 and a half seasons of stats and accomplishments that would've been added to Jordan's legacy to.
and the GOAT of losing and scapegoating teammates. GOAT of participation trophies for running through a historically weak conference only to get routed by whoever came out the west. margin of winning in the finals is among the slimmest in history. margin of loss in the finals among the biggest/worst. lmao.
You noticed how Nick Wrong decided to focus on yr 2 of Lebron vs Jordan's career. The reason? If you look at 2yr splits for the 2 players, Lebron and Jordan's PPG was almost the same: Jordan @25.5 and Lebron @24. But if you look at the very next season for both players, Jordan pulls away from EVERY NBA great with a 31.5 PPG avg and Lebron was at 27.8 and stayed in the range his entire career. Lebron has only averaged over 30 PPG 3 times in 20 yrs. Jordan sustained that run for 7 consecutive seasons. 7!!! And he had a total of 8 30+ seasons in a 15 yr career (13 if you just want to count his Bulls days). Let's throw Kobe in there. Kobe had 3 seasons of 30 PPG. Difference? Kobe's averages were nuts! One season was 35.4 and another was 31.6. And with Kobe's numbers declining since the 2011 season and injury, he still managed to average a career of 25 PPG. Lebron, despite still playing, is still averaging 27.5. That shows you who the GOATS really are. Lebron's entire career is fabricated nonsense as to who the GOAT is. Mike put in that work...work that Lebron has never been able to replicate. Kobe was the ONLY player to come close to that. Bar injury? Kobe may have beaten plenty of Jordan's records...and I think MJ would have been just fine with that.
Jordan was so much more athletic than everyone else. Lebron is athletic but the competition around him is similar in athleticism. It is much harder to be more dominant now
Jordan dominated his era.. Look at his numbers compared to the other players in his era. When Jordan scored 30 nobody else did. Nowdays with the amount of points scored averaging 30 is not such a big deal.
It doesn't mean anything because nowadays, star players are jacking up 7-10 threes per game to get those points, when most teams during the 90's didn't shoot more than 15.
Fr. In 1997-98, zero players averaged 30 a game, as Jordan led the league at 28.7. Only THREE players averaged as much as 25 a game and just 14 players averaged over 20 per game. In 2022-23, SIX players averaged over 30 per game, 14 players averaged 25+ a game, and FOURTY THREE players averaged at least 20 per game.
I love when they say MJ couldnt get out of the first round until Pippen came along but fail to mention that Pippen was a bench warmer his rookie season in 88 averaging 8 ppg and even his second season in 89, was putting up role player numbers at 14-6-3. Jordan was carrying that to the ECF only to lose to the all-time great Pistons team who were stacked with 4 hall of famers in their prime. Also, when Nick Wright said all of Lebron's championships came against teams led by top-15 all time players in Steph, Duncan, and Durant, he conveniently left out how Duncan was 37 and out of his prime when he beat him in 13, he left out the 2020 Heat who were a weaker opponent than any of MJ's finals competition, he left out how KD was 23 when he beat him in 2012, and he left out how Lebron himself had multiple all-stars on his team for all his championships outside of 2020 (which AD was a superstar). Absolutely disingenuous.
All true...also, 2009 wasn't a Finals trip season but him getting beat by a very limited offensive player in Howard was horrible. People always talk about MJ going up against 1 or 2 star teams conveniently leave that out when discussing LeBron though. To me, that was worse than 2011. Also, that 2020 Heat team may have been the worse Finals participant in NBA history. The Lakers could have beaten them without LeBron lol.
@@jtremaine23 FACTS. That 2020 bubble ring is the fakest BS ever and the league pushed that narrative to sell lebrons legacy. Dude is sooo overrated. Prime Kobe would destroy any version of Lebron.
So how did pippin take the team to thev Conference Finals without Michael Jordan and they were one game out of the record when Michael Jordan was with them what does that say Michael Jordan had a great team come on George Clinton Jordan douche in his league right now today SRS non-athletic players he played against man house need not to mention the fact that he kept on quitting f****** quitter come on and making that s***
Mj's career is unique in that you essentially had 2 maybe 3 different versions of himself with gaps in his career. I think that in and of itself allows goat discussions to rage on because there's always the "what if" he didn't have those gap years. For myself his wizards years are important because it showed he could still play more importantly, that it was a mistake to dismantle the bulls after 98. His wizard years also proved to me that his game could carry well into the 2000s in spite of some arguing he was just a "90s" player.
@@cheyheyway6244 Myth busted. The comment sounds like a desperate act to undermine 80-90 eras as much as possible even insulting legends like Larry Bird to quoted Jordan as God in disguise and Bobby Knight. Plenty footage is publicly available to bury that outright lie.
Is simple, in 20 years Lebron hasn't accomplished everything MJ accomplished in 13 years.
P.S. - he only had 11 full/healthy seasons with the bulls. Insane
Exactly Bill Russell had 11 in 13 years, i don't know why people are saying Lebron or Jordan. 😜😂😂😂😂
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How many playoff teams did Bill Russell beat?
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 Russell doesn’t have the stats that Lebron and Jordan have. Lebron doesn’t have the MVPs, rings and scoring titles that Jordan has. It’s not just about winning it’s about winning and stats. Only Jordan has both.
@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 no bill I had only 2 rounds 8 teams only 2 black players per team had and 8 hofers teammates with almost no players movement I do still consider him top 5 tho but greatest ever just because the chips is just to much
Nick Wright is insanely delusional. He thought LeBron could help LA come back from a 3-0 deficit against Denver
He’s a goof, so is Shannon Sharpe. They were the same ones who said Cavs would beat GS back in 2017. Then when LBJ couldn’t do it, they flipped it to “well GS is a superteam, nobody can beat them not even MJ with that Cavs team”. It’s their job to cover for him when he fails so he can get a pass. As always LBJ fans ran with all of this.
And Nick Wright would make you look stupid and at the date of my basketball I'm pretty sure Of that
@@frandonfrank10Goofy ass sentence 💀
LaChina James is the 🐐 of being swept 😂
did he ?
Finally someone brought up how LeBron missed the playoffs in his first 2 years but Jordan gets knocked for losing in the first round averaging 40 a game 😂
Are you aware that Michael Jordan may have lost in the first round when he first started but he never got swept, and his competition, which is Larry Bird, gave him the biggest compliment ever when he first started out in the NBA that’s after he scored 63 points on his team that God discusses Michael Jordan, but I could state this LeBron will never reach the pinnacle that Michael Jordan has any only reason why they won games is because he sat out for a month and then the started winning games and I was not surprised by that at all
Because people knock James for getting swept in the finals, Jordan needed a Allstar team and NBA rule changes to get to the finals lebum did it damn near solo p.s. I'm pretty sure it's more impressive to get to the finals then to get smoked in the first round seems like common sense eh
Jordan never got beat with those teams that your saying were loaded.in which they weren’t ! If the 2011 finals don’t open your eyes of the hype machine Laflop is. Nothing will …
@@wickid-the-rogue except Jordan won the finals twice without an all star teammate lol. LeBron torn through a weak east but when he finally met a tough opponent ie warriors or spurs he was slaughtered
Do you know why that is? Because the people that say that nonsense knows absolutely nothing about basketball
Micheal Jordan the first time ever walking on a NBA floor in 1984 as a rookie was already the best player in the league and from 1984 - 1990 Micheal Jordan was literally by himself playing against 5 players and is why he averaged 40 and 37 and all those ridiculous numbers because he was by himself
I won’t bash anyone who bashes Micheal Jordan in those years because I don’t think they’re disrespecting Jordan at all…. What I’m starting to realize and understand is that it’s just simply a lack of understanding and don’t really understand the game like they should
6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs, and never needed a game 7 in the Finals. It was never a debate.
In one of the weakest eras
@@jamahlapoynter8774 hey dum dum you know the hand check foul doug and the bad boy pistons look how they beat up jordan like they wanna kill him you think that lebron can stand like he cries when someone fouls him thats why he leflop dooug😮💨
When Lebron wins “he’s 38!”
When Lebron loses “what do you expect he’s 38”
They just move the yardstick each time.
I take it you did not do well in school. Let me see if I can help: It's impressive for an old man to win at a young man's sport and it's more understandable that a 38yr old loses than a 29 yr old.
Its the old addage that you can't win against an old man. If you win you're beating someone out of their prime and if you lose you were beat by an old guy.
@@andrewcook1246 bro.. If you can win you do it, if you cant ITS OKAY.. LeBron isnt that guy.. MJ 3peatn with guys LeBron couldnt even win once with men that are top 10 players/scorers of all time
That’s a valid argument. If 38 year old mj loses, no one will bat an eye, if he wins, it will be talked about. Age becomes a valid argument that work both way.
@@juliuscaesar6994 Bulls team was the 90s superteam. Jordan had a much better team and organization than LeBron.
Jordan ain't beating the teams that beat LeBron if we switch 'em. Jordan beat teams that never were with the exeption of the Lakers who were far from Showtime by 91.
This never was a debate to begin with
Exactly Bill Russell had 11 in 13 years i don't know why people are saying Lebron or Jordan. 😜😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 you defo get bullied
That's what Lebron fans always say. Bill Russell's 11 championships or Robert Horry's 7 championships which is true and respected. But Michael Jordan is still the GOAT
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 Bill Russell wasn't the main offensive weapon of the team, and played in the infancy of the league. He was primarily a defender on his team. No, Russell isn't the GOAT. If you think so, it's because you're dumb.
There is no argument over here. It's MJ as the G.O.A.T.
No its Larry Bird.
No goat would travel like Lebron and expect calls on flops.
Winning a title at 38 is more impressive than two dynasties!? Dude tore his arm off with that reach.
Lol
Laflop will never be able to carry MJ’s lunch let alone be the GOAT.
Bronsexuals have no respect for real excellence!
This is why a lot of people say they don't mind LeBron but they find LeBron fanboys annoying. Their arguments tend to be emotional instead of logically/factually sound and consistent.
Naw, LBJ is just as bad. I know there’s a certain group who hate him solely due to politics which shouldn’t be used for what he does on the court but he does have people who dislike his lack of awareness and the constant need of attention by trying to change the narrative in his favor. Like recently he brought up retirement, when we know damn well he won’t but it was just a way to divert attention away from him getting the broom. Also him saying he’s never been on a flopping team when this guy is a well known flopper.
Flopping and legitimizing creation of superteams. That's enough to dislike him.
@@manwerama If Jordan would play in the 2010s and 2020s, he would also flop and be the GOAT at the same time, if LeBron played in the 1990s he would be as tough as Jordan and wouldn't flop.
That's because the rules of the game change every year.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I don't care about his politics. I respect his greatness. Would have respected it even more if he never team jumped to form team ups. I never liked his game aesthetic, or play style and i personally find him insufferable and just flat out unlikable. Nothing genuine about him and it's all about the attention being on him, be it how good a father or how much he gives to the community. It's all PR.
Beyond that, his flopping for a man his size and with his advantages and a man of his age and social status jumping up and down and whining like a child throwing a tantrum when it doesn't go his way just flat out looks pathetic and sad to me. He's really off putting. Like a perimeter version of Karl Malone. I saw a meme of a photo of Karl Malone and Melo, and that's who LeBron and KD would be without their team ups-i think it may be accurate.
@@ananmuadi31 Not flop. Jordan wanted to COMPETE. His competitive nature was far too insane for him to use such tactics. He competed at EVERYTHING, not just basketball.
Would he create ways to draw fouls in this soft era? ABSOLUTELY. Jordan was crafty like that. But flopping? No. Also, because of this soft era and how it's so geared for offense, this is why Jordan would realistically average 40-45 points a game. He would've undoubtedly mastered the 3pt shot, being it's so relevant in this era and he would get more FTs and he shot 83-84% for his career. It easy to see how Jordan could average at least 40 a game in this era.
But no, sir...Lebron wouldn't be as tough in the 90s, because Lebron has shown himself to be MENTALLY weak far too often in his own era. That wouldn't translate well in the 90s, regardless of his physicality.
Michael Jordan averaged 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.9 assists in 82 games in his rookie season in 1984-85 and he had just turned 21. Jordan has always been better his coaches kept him handcuffed.
I left out that LeBron lost at the Olympics and Jordan didn't plus Jordan even has a NCAA title but he did virtually nothing outside of six championships right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh yeah sure that must have been it.
LeBron also lost in the semi-finals at the Fiba World Championship in 2006, how pathetic is it for the self-proclaimed goat and chosen one that Kobe had to carry him to an international gold? Lol
@@crashoverride23 didn't lebron carried a team of nobody's to the finals at age 22 and mj went to his first finals with scottie
@Beery spot on man ,jordon scored about 1800 points in his 3 years at unc, add 2 years playing b ball the all time scoring record would be his easily. plus he rarelymissed games after his 2nd year
LeBron James WILL NEVER even pass Kobe Bryant
nor Tim Duncan.
@@chrispolo25 Nor even Shaquille O'Neal
What@@ajschannel162
Lechoke in 2011 finals showed everyone 😂
BIG FACTS!
People don't realize the longer that LeBron James plays the longevity actually is working against him... because like this video says Michael Jordan has more championships, more finals MVPs, more League MVPs, more defensive accolades and has accomplished all of that even though he played five less years than LeBron. People talk about the scoring title, no big deal, I mean Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the scoring title for 32 years and even with that record, his name was never consistently listed as being the greatest of all time...
People forget that Michael Jordan in college was literally whooping a team of NBA All-Stars with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson while he was on Team USA 8 games in a row and never losing. I highly disagree that LeBron was better at age 20.
There is no part of Lebron's career where he was better than Jordan...none. Jordan played on a shit team at 38 years old. He didn't have an Anthony Davis and he hasn't played for 2 years prior.
@@KyprosEc Lebron is miles ahead it’s nostalgia against facts here. Lebron is better than Jordan at everything. Jordan just had a better team in a weaker expansion era playing against 5”2 guards and athletic white guards. It’s Lebron and not even close.
@cheyheyway6244 sorry you're out to lunch. Learn the facts and come back to me. We can't make up new excuses for Lebron every time he loses. Missed playoffs in years 1 and 2. Jordan joined a team of talentless Cocaine addicts and made the playoffs in his first season where his team had 0 business being in the playoffs. As for 5'2 white guys what a moronic comment. Last I checked mugsy was the shortest dude in nba history and he was a 5'5 black man. Jordan was 6'6..average height Even by the standards in those days. You keep spewing drivel based on 0 facts to support no argument whatsoever. Yes, everybody sucked when Jordan played that's why he was so good 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@cheyheyway6244 That argument needs to die a thousand deaths despite getting debunked numerous times.That argument practically insulted Moses Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Barkley, Hakim, Bird, Magic, and other 80-90 legends. Hornet, Heat, Magics were playoff contenders. Expansion in the 90 actually balanced the games were each team has at least one superstar and a saw a fierce competition especially the Eastern Conference.
@@cheyheyway6244 🤡🤡🤡
In 1998, Pippen missed 35 games. That’s almost half the season and he did not come back 100%. That season is arguably Jordan’s most difficult.
It was sooo tough:
Bulls: Rodman, Pippen, Harper, Kukoc, Kerr, Jordan vs Malone (notorious choker), Stockton, Hornacek and Russell? XD such a challenge.
@@andrewcook1246 half a season without Pippen, yeah it was tough. Did you really mention Kerr with his 8 ppg? Tell the truth, you never watched those games did you?
@@depannist He was also the most accurate 3pt shooter in the league and to this day had the highest %. Also,hard to avg 15 or 20 in a team with Jordan jacking up half the field goals for the team. I did watch. Old enough to have seen the guy's Jordan patented his game after.
@@andrewcook1246 The "only 1 ball" argument works in pretty much every sport but basketball, where it's literally embedded in the game to pass the ball. So as long as you can shoot, you're going to get opportunities. And 8 ppg is 4 shots made in 3 hours, which is pretty inexcusable no matter what. But when you're saying he had the highest success rates/percentages, out of how many attempts? An 8/8 100% attempt at something does not even come close to a 145/175 82% attempt for example, and no one would ever argue the 100% being higher makes it mean more than the 82% attempt.
@@andrewcook1246 you want to know why people remember Karl Malone as a choker? Because he lost to Jordan. They beat a super team of Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley and Clyde Drexler AND the Shaq and Kobe Lakers
The debate ended in 2011 when LeBron lost to the Mavericks. MJ is on the top of the mountain by himself. There is no debate and should never be compared to.
You just absolutely swiss cheesed Nick Wright's "analysis". Had a little tear in my eye for that level of eviscersation. Well done, hoops.
I'm just glad there are competent people out here like Uncut that push back with facts and stats ignoring agendas and narratives. Good job
This ! 👆
Agendas and fake narratives are the reasons why this is even a "debate"...
Not to discredit Uncut but it's not even about competency really. Just like that Twitter moron's take most of their lies could be found out with a 30 second google search. That'd be all you need to stop the whole "LeBron instantly started taking his teams to the Finals dogshit." It's insane how this thing has ever been a debate to people. Jordan is by far the superior player.
@@chucknorris2418 yeah but my point is at least there is someone pushing back on a platform for people to see at face value without looking anything up. Because most casual people don't. They just listen and take things as factual
@@ijamorris3449 true 👌
We need more of that in the world. The corporate media machine is always pushing lies and bought and paid for agendas.
MJ is the Greatest Basketball Player in NBA History 🐐
Worst person ever. Great bball player trash human
What ab Tmac
@@cherry8385 what about him? Didn't play long enough to do anything and injuries derailed his career. Even if he didn't get injured he still wasn't sniffing Jordan's level of game-to-game performance or accolades...
Its Russell and Wilt, then everybody but sure.
@@andrewcook1246 🤡
MJ + Vern Fleming = GOLD (1984)
Lebron + Tim Duncan = bronze (2004)
Lebron needed Kobe to win gold at the olympics in 2008
@@sokit2emthe Redeem Team should have been called Kobe to the Rescue. They almost didn’t qualify for the Olympics before Kobe got there.
I dont even know who vern fleming is holy shit
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His failures far outweigh his "achievements"
It’s so disingenuous to say you would rather have a 4-6 record in the finals than a 6-0 record
His ability to go further more often is pretty impressive and people downplay the shit out of it. Also Mike wasn't beating the teams that beat LeBron. Only in 2k where Jordan's somehow a great 3 pt shooter xD.
@@andrewcook1246 "FuRthEr MoRe ofTeN"
LBJ 4 titles in 20 attempts = 20% conversion rate
MJ 6 titles in 13 attempts = 46% conversion rate
@@andrewcook1246 winning at less than half the rate downplays itself
@@andrewcook1246 yeah it’s impressive to get to the finals that many but if you don’t win, it doesn’t matter
@@shaft9000 yeah Mike got beat a lot in the first round. Even made the playoffs with losing records lol.
The lengths LeBron fans go to to contradict themselves just to try and put LeBron over Jordan never ceases to amaze me.
Have you not seen a Jordan fan?
@@cheyheyway6244 We're not as bad as LeBron fans
@@davidmartinez52420 You guys are completely delusional. Imagine comparing a glorified scorer on an elite team in a weak era to God. He’s been passed
@@cheyheyway6244 You call me delusional then have the nerve to call Jordan a glorified scorer. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. His era wasn't weak either. That's a narrative perpetuated by delusional LeBron fans to try and artificially diminish Jordan to make LeBron look better. You can argue LeBron's era was stronger while still acknowledging Jordan played in a strong era too, and I don't understand why none of you get that. You actually hurt your case for LeBron trying to argue Jordan's era being weak and don't even realize it.
@@davidmartinez52420 Jordan is a glorified Derozan. He got lucky to play in an expansion era. With more teams being introduced it’s harder for established teams to catch up to who is already good because the draft picks and free agents are spread around. Also the dynasties from the 80s were fatigued and retiring. It may be the weakest era .
When jordan was 21 he played against the all stars and battered them and then coach bobby knight said he is the greatest player i have ever seen and thats all she wrote....
Can you imagine playing another 7 years than Micheal and still can’t catch his ghost
I just wanna say to all Bron Fans is Jason Terry, JJ Barea n old Jason Kidd
Imagine getting repeatedly punked by a small bench player in the finals LMAO. MJ could never...
@Chris King bron isnt clutch
I like how LeBron fans just say stuff without thinking about the ramifications of their arguments.
Just the other day after LBJ got the broom his fan base worked overtime in trying to smear MJ’s name by coming up with dumb takes. I saw one that said MJ was the one who was load managing, then I saw how they added 4 more years to his 15 year career to make their point lmao. That’s LBJ fans for ya, no context whatsoever.
Right. They were literally counting years he didn’t even play to make it seem like his peak was less dominant.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Lol, the classic, "Jordan took time off because he retired" line. As if that's the same as taking time off while you're getting paid to play basketball.
@@John6-40 yea and they act like missing almost two years of basketball play was beneficial for MJ lol. Meanwhile whenever LBJ had a bad game after missing several weeks of play his fans will say how he’s rusty. That he’s just getting into a rhythm but somehow MJ missing two years helped him lol.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx They seem to act as if it's that easy to take that much time off and come back in immediate tip top shape. It's especially hilarious when they apply that to the 2 years he played in Washington after 3 whole years off. You can tell they aren't in their 30s when they say dumb ass shit like that, and anyone that is in their 30s or older that says it is willfully lying or a complete idiot.
MJ is the ultimate player of all time.
There was never a debate to begin with. Jordan is the GOAT and it's not even close. Good video.
Jordan actually only played 11 full seasons with the Bulls. His 2nd season he was out with a foot injury and then he only played the final 17 games when he came back from baseball. He accomplished ALL his winnings and accomplishments in only 11 seasons! He only played for the wizards 2 years to help inspire the weak team that he was managing. He was hardly in shape and had knee injuries during both seasons. MJ vs LB is not even a debate. Not even close.
And missed the playoffs both years with the Wizards.
He also failed to make the finals in his 7th year in the NBA
He was swept twice by Bird in the playoffs
bro he was in the nba for 15 seasons stop this and just cuz he got injured or played like ass doesnt mean the season doesnt count
@@yamsbeansbetter than LeBron, he claims he will dominate, played hard and then claimed that he was playing injured only when he lost.
@@yamsbeansand he did this more than ONCE
There's a saying that goes: " You know what's the worst thing of being on top, the only way is down", meaning, Lebron was on top the moment he got drafted to NBA straight out of high school (only 18), already going against the big boys, and especially after just his 2nd year in NBA, his performance in the 2004 season, everyone's expectations for Lebron was skyrocketed, all the way on top, so from there on, 2005 to 2010, everytime Lebron didnt win a ring, he will get criticize. While Jordan get to play couple years in college, so he was psychologically more prepared than Lebron, MJ was drafted in 1984 by The Bulls when he was 21, played couple years, then already just in his 5th and 6th year (1989) and (1990) respectively, he had future star Pippen and coach Phil by his side, The Bulls went to the Semi Finals twice (so why would he switch teams for if he's already on a great team?) and won 3 rings in a row the following years. For Jordan, people's expectations for him were building up, getting better and better. 10 years, started from, when MJ got drafted into NBA to 1994, he already won 3 rings, so of course MJ was able to accomplish more than Lebron in a short timeframe.
18 years old Lebron stayed with the Cavaliers (one of the worst team in NBA history) for 7 years, the furthest they ever made it this far was their first final appearance in 2007 at the time, led by James ( something no player done before for any team). Can't really blame him for going to Miami Heat. There's only that much he could had done for the Cavs, it's a team sport. He finally won his very 1st ring in 2010.
Kareem won a finals mvp at age 38 lebron launching Bricks against demver in the playoffs at that age
George Foreman has a record of 76 Wins - 5 Losses in 28 years Boxing Career, the oldest champ at 45 & still knocking people out at 48. ALI's record is 56 Wins - 5 Losses in a much shorter 20 years Career. If both were ever fought at 48 and George won, still no one would ever said George Foreman is better than ALI.....Same exact comparison here. People just don't have any idea how huge the DOMINANCE and the IMPACT those 2 legends brought to the sports and why they called the GOATS.
MJ was a 10 time scoring champion and a 9 time all defensive team player.
I will never take Nick Wright serious. Wether he's putting on an act for the cameras or if he really feels that way. In either case it's disingenuous.
I'm a Lebron fan and hate him.
It's a little bit of column A and column B
He looks like a sculpt of the mask they used in Troll 2....
Can you REALLY say a 20 year old BRON was better than a 20 year old MIKE . Now you are usually spot on with your breakdowns and analysis. A 21 year old, make or 20 if I’m not mistaken) was just finishing up his junior year. Before the Olympics, him and his college squad, beat prime, NBA all stars with a 6-0 record, please check who played on that NBA team of talent. That college team went on to win the gold… A 20 year old LeBron James, lost in the Olympics and in the FIBA games it took Kobe Bryant to join the squad for them to win. Please talk about this !!
exactly, Mike was better at 20 years old. Lebron was not a well rounded nor remotely polished player when he entered the NBA. just athletic, big and mainly a dunker, couldn't shoot worth a damn.
man hell no . 38 year old lebron maybe 20 hell no!!!
8-0* they bodied the NBA All-Star team BAD. If social media existed then it would have been front-page news for months 😂
@@_M.... 20 seasons later and the only thing that changed is he lost the athleticism 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly...he kept losing for Team USA (2004 & 2006) until Kobe decided to play. Had Kobe not played in 2008, Spain may have beaten them. To be honest, Dean Smith was a great teacher of fundamentals but I believe he held MJ back from truly showing what he could do because he wanted everybody to touch the ball each time down the court or at least try to. Bobby Knight unleashed him. Also, those NBA All Stars got irritated and started to play like the Bad Boys because they kept getting beat so much but it didn't work.
To be fair to James, Jordan bears the shame of leading the first NBA U.S. Olympic team to fail to even play for the gold medal and had to settle for a bronze. Oh wait. That was LeBron James. Not only did Jordan win an Olympic Gold Medal as an amateur, on the most dominant olympic team of all time (the 1992 Dream Team - the greatest collection of basketball talent), Jordan won the gold and was the undisputed alpha dog of the team.
Great video! I commend you because we need content creators to tell the truth and combat the lies and misinformation on social media! Salute to you ‼️🤘🏾
One important fact that people always miss is that MJ played for the Wizards after 3 years of absence and rusting, and MJ was not playing to win championships, nor to chase stats or accolades. MJ played for the Wizards just try to fulfill promises so that he could eventually own the team.
Ok and lebron played for the Lakers cuz of Kobe death and brought a champion to the Lakers but people still pressure him to win a title at 38 when he already got a title for the Lakers
Sounds like excuses to me. He handpicked his team as wizards gm and got the number #1 pick just to miss the playoffs 😂
@@jlo8862 Sounds like how lebron handpicked every team he's had since miami and managed to win only three and a half titles
@@jlo8862 Cleveland got the #1 pick three times in four years to prepare them for when Lebron came back
MJ was 3 years retired enjoying the fruits of his labor. 6 rings, 2x 3peats and an incredible last dance run at 35 carrying the Bulls. 3 years off. Severed his shooting finger on a cigar cutter that he got surgery on and never fully regained motion on it. Tendinitis in his shooting wrist, and both knees. Got his ribs broken in the offseason as he was training to return. Had fluid drained from his knees throughout his 38/39 year old season. MJ played for free and on one of the worst teams. LeBron would have joined Shaq and Kobe if in the same place no doubt in my mind.
A wise man once said ‘You play to WIN the game’. Unfortunately the younger generations have gotten participation trophies most of their lives and that it’s ok just getting there. The Bills would trade 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances for ONE ring. True winning isn’t the only equation but it’s one of the most important ones.
Now you play to look good first… It’s literally retarded.
Wow i literally just said this to someone else 😂
Thanks for doing all of this work for us.
Thanks for doing a great job with this video!
You can’t really compare their scoring at 38 because defense is poop now. Not to mention MJ was almost 39 when he started playing for the Wizards. Bron isn’t looking as hot now as even earlier in the season.
Exactly right. “What did Jordan win when he was 38?” Well nothing because he turned 39 and only played 60 games due to knee surgery.
Bingo! The wizards comparrison starts NEXT season, Bron was 37/38 this season, MJ came back when he was 38/39
What a joke trying to compare Mr I retire twice to LBJ who never retired during his tenure. MJ has less than 2/3rd of LBJs mileage at a comparable age.
@@jeromegarner7196 And LBJ is competing in the playoffs.
@@page8301 thats the point, we’re saying you cant compare them 🤦♂️
Absolutely. This so-called "debate" doesn't even exist in reality and will vanish after Lebron retires and the media stop talking about him all the time. Lebron's legacy will be inferior to those of Magic, Bird, and others in the long run, and he could end up even out of the top 10 after this embarrassing Denver series.
i love how you dismantle these arguments.
One thing you did t mention is it was harder to score when Jordan was playing…. The game was more physical… Now there are a lot of rules that give advantage to the offense. If Jordan played not he would average 45-50 points… A lot of NBA players agree
Not only MJ won six NBA Championships, He is undefeated in NBA Finals!!!
So is Pippen
6x Finals MVP and Three-peated twice! Something I don't think we'll ever witness again.
Not to mention that MJ never won anything but GOLD in the Olympics (2 GOLD MEDALS) & won a NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP in North Carolina... back when the VERY BEST players went to college. MJ's winning goes beyond the NBA... he helped establish Nike, transforming it into a Empire & brought the sport of Basketball to worldwide fame.
Lol… “undefeated”. We’re just going to ignore the other 9 seasons he got punted from the playoffs… okay.
Stop using finals records to define individual accomplishments. That a stupid statistic. Jordan was better in his prime but championships had nothing to do with it.
If they “told the whole story” there would be no debate… MJ all day, every day is the goat 🐐
Excellent video. Well put together. Well done with the stat comparison.
one of the best videos on yutube this year! simple facts!
Here are my reasons why MJ is the GOAT.
First off, I don’t look at team accomplishments, I only look at individual accomplishments. I am not going to look at rings or if a player has been swept because that ultimately has too many factors and is unfair to one singular player. Basketball fundamentally is a team sport, not an individual one. The only time I do look at this; is if a player did not play up to their standards and affected their team negatively in winning a game or series.
Reasons 1 - MJ stayed loyal to the Bulls. Even though he was continuously losing in the playoffs and putting up great stats, he still stayed through the difficult times. He didn’t leave to form a team or leave to a better team. He continued to work on his game and improve while the team was building a cohesive unit around him.
Reason 2 - Most individual accomplishments in NBA history. MJ earned most of these awards in his 11 full healthy seasons with the Bulls. There isn’t a player that has the stats, the accolades nor the play that Michael Jordan brought to the table during his 11 healthy seasons with the Bulls. His dominance over the game of basketball is something we will most likely never see again.
Reason 3 - Dominant scorer and dominant defender. When looking at the game of basketball logically, the two most important aspects of the game is offense and defense. Scoring is the fundamental aspect of offense, while defending is the fundamental aspect of defense. MJ has 10 scoring titles and a DPOY as a guard. Also has the most regular season blocks for a guard. Top 5 in steals all time as a guard. He also has the highest PPG average in the regular season and in the playoffs. Even though he was a high volume offensive player he was efficient.
Reason 4 - The intangibles and fundamentals that MJ possessed were some of the best I’ve seen. I have watched many MJ games and highlights and I still have not seen a play where he wasted a dribble. Every move was done with a purpose and in a flow. As for his intangibles, his goal was to win at any cost, he was clutch, and he had a relentless motor as well as work ethic.
Reason 5 - When he came back to the Wizards after not playing for about 3 seasons, MJ still averaged 20 PPG on not great efficiency but not the worst efficiency ever. Let me add context, MJ came back to one of the hardest defensive eras and on some nights still dropped 30+, 40+, or 50 points. He couldn’t drive to the rim as much because his knees weren’t in the best shape and he was older. His game was mostly predicated around perimeter jumpers, posting up, and off ball movement so naturally efficiency will drop. He also didn’t jump as high as he could on his jump shots obviously due to age and his knees. Pre Injury Wizards Jordan was averaging 25, 6, and 5. To comeback to the NBA after 3 seasons and still put up those kind of numbers is incredible and shows that MJ is a one of kind player.
Reason 6 - MJ was a preternatural athlete. Simply put, I personally have not seen a player like MJ. The way he moved, dunked the ball, everything was so graceful and looked so natural. I also have never seen a player make so many layups when not even looking at the rim or contorting their body in ways to make a layup. I have never seen a guard posterize 7 footers routinely. I simply have not seen a player like MJ and most likely won’t again. There are once in a generation players and then there are once in a lifetime players. MJ is a once in a lifetime player. He was so good, that it’s like a real life NBA 2k player with 99 in every stats, including intangibles, and the best animations comes alive in reality and takes over basketball. That’s is why I think MJ is the GOAT.
I love this, what you’ve written there sums up everything.
Well said. Couldn't agree more that what a player did to help team get championship says more than just saying team accomplishment
Well said... That is why Michael Jordan is the G.O.A T.💪🏻
I'm copy pasting your comment. Thank you for writing your thoughts. 😊😊😊😊
And Reason 7.. Michael Jordan is the ONLY NBA SUPERSTAR who played sick and still won the Game... One of Michael Jordan's trademark in the NBA is his ICONIC FLU GAME in 1997 NBA Finals against the Utah Jazz... I still remember the Final Score of that Game, it's 90-88.. Michael Jordan scored 38 POINTS, 5 ASSISTS, 3 STEALS AND 1 BLOCK #MJ23GOAT
Yes Jordan has accomplished more in a lot less time. He was also a better defender.
Thank you for this video
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player that has ever lived throughout the history of man. There has NEVER been a legitimate conversation comparing Ming James to MJ.
I thought it was universally known that Jordan had the toughest competition
So you are saying players back then were better than now? 🤔🤔🤔
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 no, I'm saying they were tougher to play than now.
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 VS their respective conferences at the time, absolutely. Lebron played the majority of his career in a weak eastern conference while Jordan played the east when it was the much tougher conference. Not acknowledging this is idiotic. There is a reason Lebron made so many Finals and lost and has a losing record.
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 players now are divas
He did not, lol.
King lebron James Never passes Michael Jordan’s goat 🐐 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Great coverage...
6 losses were better than 6 rings. We should accept and deal with it.
4 in 20 is better than
6 in 15
No 3-peat is better than
2 3-peat
Losing should be glorified.
The one being swept should get more media coverage than the sweepers.
Denver has one all star jokic never cried for more help
I just love it when Bronsexuals say that he's the GOAT... it gives me a chance to SCHOOL these FOOLS with actual FACTS. Then they go INSANE because they can't deal with the TRUTH. Even LeBron "LeQuit" James said that Michael Jordan is the GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.
True no single 3 peat is better than 2 3 peats..but LeBron has never had a 3 peat..had a repeat thx to Ray Allen's shot vs the Spurs but at the end of the day MJ won more MVPs and championships in 15 seasons than LBJ in 20 seasons..and was way more feared and more dominant.
This is facts 😮💨 … they delusional brother 👀
"Being swept in three different decades probably made me the Greatest of All Time. I was ecstatic after being swept, not once, but three times."
You can put an asterisk next to LeBron's Longevity too. He's only played all 82 games 1 time in 20 yrs and it took him 15 seasons to do that.
@@DamnWhoAsked lol man hes so overrated
Kareem won 6 rings, 6 league MVP's, 19 All NBA's, 15 All NBA selections, 19 All Star Selections, and 11 all defensive team selections. And the level of competition Kareem played in the 70's & 80's don't compare to the teams MJ played in the 80's. He also didn't shortcut his career and retire multiple times like Jordan did. So by that resume that should put Kareeem over Jordan.
what song is that in the background? that’s sample is crazy
I remember in 96 when pip made top 50 some ppl disagreed fast forward and now pip is kind of overrated to king fans
Pip is VERY overrated nowadays. Most nba fans would say he was a superstar when he clearly wasn’t. I guess this just comes from years of espn and fox over hyping him.
Fr. They’re literally acting like he carried Jordan or something
I said back then he shouldn't have made that list. It wasn't a shot at him but to me, Dominique Wilkins should have made it over him.
Scottie Pippen is super overrated.
@@whenisdinner2137 Did you ever watch Scottie Pippen play during his Chicago Bull years?
That crown Lebron keeps putting on his bald head is from the Burger King drive-thru. 🤣
Yup
Yeah, paper 👑
😂😂😂
factsssss
word up!
Thank you for adding a counter balance to the mainstream media, and the lies being said to prop up a player.
Great video thanks for sharing
LeBron had Shaq on his roster in Cleveland. Jordan took the oldest team ever to a championship in 1998. They never loss three games in a row to get there, while Pippen missed half the season with 35 games. Also the 2022 Lakers should have been 1998 Bulls. Rodman never loss 3 games straight at age 37. Longevity?
But Lebron was more of a complete player.
More longevity,athleticism,better rebounder and assister,better controller of the game,better at dictating the flow,tempo and control of the game..u named it..
But prime 4 prime,MJ was slightly a better scorer..thats it..Not a better player
@@thanglura568 More of a complete player, you high asf. LeBron is only effective when he has the ball in his hands. More athletic, you really high asf. LeBron can't do half the stuff Jordan can do. Not to mention LeBron only has a 44 inch vertical, Jordan has a 48 inch vertical. A better rebounder, ummm he's supposed to be, his natural position is SF and he's 6'9" 250, he better be a better rebounder. Jordan is a SG, the job of that position is to score, not grab rebounds, and he could still grab rebounds. A better assister, now you just need to stop talking about basketball, there is no way you watched Jordan's career, and for your sake I hope you didn't with the non sense you're spewing. Again the Shooting Guard position is for "Scoring & Slashing to the basket".. And yet people like you tend to leave out that big stretch when Jordan had to run Point Guard and he was averaging triple doubles when asked to be the PG (the facilitator) and was still averaging over 30pts a game while doing so. And controlling the game is LeBron's down side (The LeBron James Offense).. It doesn't work unless LeBron has the ball in his hands because he can't play off the ball. He never has been able to. He's a transition superstar and a chase down artist, and Jordan is a better transition player than he is anyway. If you were alive when Jordan was playing basketball and you watched his games, there is no way in hell you would be able to come to that conclusion. Go look up their accomplishments, Jordan is killing that man still and he's been retired for 20 years 😂.
@@thanglura568 Jordan was a WAY better defender and rebounder than LeBron. LeBron has just played longer. For example, LeBron has played 20 years and is only 8th in steals all time. Jordan played 15 years and is 4th all time, and is still 250 or so steals away from MJ!!!
@@thanglura568 Control is never losing 3 games straight for 6 years. LeBron sat games and spaced out his career. Too big for the moves long term.
@@thanglura568 Better assist? That's why LBJ is not clutch time. He prefers to pass than score. Whereas Jordan is more aggressive when it comes to attacking teh basket. Assist can be just a hand off to another player to shoot. Does that sound "Hard" or "Better" to you... come on. Dictating flow + Tempo? I dun think so too... When in his career did he do that? lolz... Longevity... 101% yes... but that's about it. What individual records do LBJ hold... when the records are not "pad" or "stack" with longevity? NON. His records are all because he played longer.
Your swept in three decades argument was gold ! I’m gonna use it 😂😂😂😂 subscribed
Don't understand how mj the goat when a white boy named bird swept his black ass twice EXPLAIN
@@trentoncoleman1975 Simple, Bird had a team of Hall of Famers, Jordan had a weaker team he had to carry. Essentially 1v4 with extras
@Trenton Coleman Jordan was rookie playing against a dynasty team with top 2 players at that time. LeBron, on the other hand, had the best team, with 2 or more all star caliber teammate when he was swept. 😂 How all of you LeBron fans used your brain and logic is really something.
@@trentoncoleman1975 easy to explain, bird is amazing... why is your racism a good reason in your view?
@@trentoncoleman1975and birds actual words about Jordan was.... Jordan is Jesus playing basketball
I'm beginning to wonder why this is still a debate. All the numbers and individual performances point to Jordan so the argument for LeBron is... making the playoffs a lot? Weak conference or no 8 straight finals is pretty crazy but not as crazy as winning 6. Honestly I think the best argument against Jordan isn't even LeBron, gotta be Wilt there
Jordan hypes me up so much, and inspired me to train hard even when i was fat as f. I just watch his highlights for more motivation :)
MJ never flops
There's actually plenty of videos that say that's wrong. The game is soft because Jordan would have sit downs with the NBA about getting "beat" up lebum learned how to flop from Jordan and act like a primadonna, Thomas actually tells the story well on how Jordan would cry to fhe NBA to get rules changed so thank your boys for the NBA being soft now they/NBA had to protect their cash cow facts are facts
Lebron will be in year 21 still trying to accomplish what MJ did by year 13... Enough said
Which is even more crazy cause jordan only played 11 healthy seasons with the bulls and did more then bron did while on 3 different teams in 20+ years smh... Damn near has a whole decade on Jordan and still can't catch him smh...
It’s crazy that Jordan’s entire argument is his team’s accomplishments . He’s 1-9 without Scottie in the playoffs. The team had virtually the same record the year after he left. Let’s face facts here Jordan is a glorified scorer on a already elite team.
@@cheyheyway6244 5x MVP
10x Scoring Champ
1x DPOY
9x All-Defensive 1st Team
Highest PPG in Reg season
Highest PPG in Playoffs
Highest PER all time
Etc.
@@toogoat9293 Dpoy was underserved anf opinionated. MVP was opinionated players are robbed all the time these days due to voter fatigue. Anyone in the top 3 is MVP worthy it’s just up to the voters.
Jordan was a ball hog and lead the league in shots taken every year so naturally he should have the most points. Harden did the same with better efficiency. Harden> Jordan
@@cheyheyway6244 Lmao Harden on the Rockets Shor 44% Jordan on the Bulls shot 50.5% Try harder
Hey uncut hoops where did u get that clip with the guy lying about lebron carrying his team to playoffs right away?
Thank you for calling out the hypocrisy! These people are crazy
Lesson here is...never try and cap about LeBron and let uncut hoops see it.
Dude achieved orgasm when LBJ lost. Dude should do a video on how Jordan is the GOAT despite a whole HoF career separating him from Bill Russell. 15 seasons to 13. 11 chips to 6. 8 in a row vs 3 in a row twice. 2 chips as player-coach vs 0. Russell having more rebounds, blocks and steals, triple doubles, double doubles, quad doubles, etc.
I take it Russell fans must feel like MJ fans in 10 years when lebron is the more recognized figure.
@@andrewcook1246 and you achieved suicide watch when LeBron lost 😂
the lebron fans lie every 5 minutes had me dying 😂😂😂💀💀💀
MJ fans too:
MJ only had Scottie
MJ never lost 3 games in a row
Once Jordan started eating no one else ate
Jordan deserved his DPOTY
Jordan had no weaknesses
Jordan is the best 1v1 player deslite every C in the leagie being a foot taller and 80 pounds heavier
6 rings in 13 seasons is more impressive than 11 in 13.
A doubl 3p3at os better than winning 8 straight.
@@andrewcook1246 🤡🤡🤡
@@andrewcook1246 links or it didn't happen
@@j4ze114 Hey look a Jay Z fan. You wanna look like a gay painter too?
@@shaft9000
Its youtube, look it up. Mj lost 4 games in a row at least 2 times in the playoffs and during the 80s. Look up Robinson and Hakeem stats and tell me Jordan was a better defender when he won lol. 28% career 3 pt%, etc
Gotta love that Scottie pippen reason. It’s as if wade, kyrie and ad never happened
or in other words, lebron has 10 conference championships while jordan has only 6.
Jordan played in a time when the game was tuff and he would actually score more points in today’s game 😊
Jordan.... He's the NBA benchmark... The end.
Quicker and faster? What are they running track?
Great video!! Keep preaching!!!
Forget Jordan. lebron is not even better than Kobe.
MJ played under Dean Smith in college. Recognized as the 5th best NCAA basketball coach of all time.
Career winning percentage .7758
He was a mentor to MJ at a young age and helped teach him the discipline to be a champion.
MJ hit the winning jumpshot for the NCAA championship in his freshman year.
Which may have sparked his killer instinct to win.
Jordan played 4 years of college. His 2nd season he broke his foot, and missed over 60 games. He was forced out the first retirement where he missed almost 2 full seasons. Then retired 2 more seasons before the Wizards seasons. Had he went straight to NBA like LeBum, the almost full season missed with his foot, and the retirement years that's 8 and a half seasons of stats and accomplishments that would've been added to Jordan's legacy to.
Everybody both, both players, coaches and spectators knew Jordan was going to get the ball every game, and yet he still scored like that.
I honestly thought this debate was over years ago. LeBron should feel no shame being the 2nd greatest ever. That's awesome - NEVER be #1 though.
He's not even the second best. He's still behind Magic, Bird, Kareem and Kobe imo
@@KyhronLuna I mean that's just your opinion but. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Second fuoh
But honestly, he is not number 2. I get most of us didn't watch Kareem but he has a better overall career than Lebron.
To be quite honest, objectively he’s not even the second greatest player ever. Please LeBron fans don’t @ me .
LeBron James is the GOAT OF padding stats with his Karl Malone type dunks and basic passing and dribbling abilities
and the GOAT of losing and scapegoating teammates. GOAT of participation trophies for running through a historically weak conference only to get routed by whoever came out the west. margin of winning in the finals is among the slimmest in history. margin of loss in the finals among the biggest/worst. lmao.
As Gilbert Arenas said, jordan was considered the best all time before scoring 18000 points, by the time he won his second championship
Great video!!!
You noticed how Nick Wrong decided to focus on yr 2 of Lebron vs Jordan's career. The reason? If you look at 2yr splits for the 2 players, Lebron and Jordan's PPG was almost the same: Jordan @25.5 and Lebron @24. But if you look at the very next season for both players, Jordan pulls away from EVERY NBA great with a 31.5 PPG avg and Lebron was at 27.8 and stayed in the range his entire career.
Lebron has only averaged over 30 PPG 3 times in 20 yrs. Jordan sustained that run for 7 consecutive seasons. 7!!! And he had a total of 8 30+ seasons in a 15 yr career (13 if you just want to count his Bulls days).
Let's throw Kobe in there. Kobe had 3 seasons of 30 PPG. Difference? Kobe's averages were nuts! One season was 35.4 and another was 31.6. And with Kobe's numbers declining since the 2011 season and injury, he still managed to average a career of 25 PPG. Lebron, despite still playing, is still averaging 27.5.
That shows you who the GOATS really are. Lebron's entire career is fabricated nonsense as to who the GOAT is. Mike put in that work...work that Lebron has never been able to replicate. Kobe was the ONLY player to come close to that. Bar injury? Kobe may have beaten plenty of Jordan's records...and I think MJ would have been just fine with that.
Kobe is an overrated chucker but is still in my opinion a top 5 or 4 player ever.
Can we all agree that this debate is OVER no more extra credit for LeBron he had enough chances to catch up and didn't get it done 🤷🏽♂️
I'd like to say it shouldn't have even been a debate in the first place.
Detroit fan here and I will say Jordan is the best I've ever seen
Jordan was so much more athletic than everyone else. Lebron is athletic but the competition around him is similar in athleticism. It is much harder to be more dominant now
Lebron will never surpass Jordan.
That's your opinion. 🤷🏾♂️
@@pabloasu-mborovalencia6830 there's facts to do it
Jordan dominated his era.. Look at his numbers compared to the other players in his era. When Jordan scored 30 nobody else did. Nowdays with the amount of points scored averaging 30 is not such a big deal.
I’m so tired of people overhyping 30 today. It doesn’t mean shit with no defense.
Shai averaged 30 this season. It’s that easy 😂
@@J23LA24 and luka says playing in this league is easy and he used to play at the euro league lmao
It doesn't mean anything because nowadays, star players are jacking up 7-10 threes per game to get those points, when most teams during the 90's didn't shoot more than 15.
Fr. In 1997-98, zero players averaged 30 a game, as Jordan led the league at 28.7. Only THREE players averaged as much as 25 a game and just 14 players averaged over 20 per game. In 2022-23, SIX players averaged over 30 per game, 14 players averaged 25+ a game, and FOURTY THREE players averaged at least 20 per game.
@@J23LA24well said
Spot on assessment!
I love when they say MJ couldnt get out of the first round until Pippen came along but fail to mention that Pippen was a bench warmer his rookie season in 88 averaging 8 ppg and even his second season in 89, was putting up role player numbers at 14-6-3. Jordan was carrying that to the ECF only to lose to the all-time great Pistons team who were stacked with 4 hall of famers in their prime.
Also, when Nick Wright said all of Lebron's championships came against teams led by top-15 all time players in Steph, Duncan, and Durant, he conveniently left out how Duncan was 37 and out of his prime when he beat him in 13, he left out the 2020 Heat who were a weaker opponent than any of MJ's finals competition, he left out how KD was 23 when he beat him in 2012, and he left out how Lebron himself had multiple all-stars on his team for all his championships outside of 2020 (which AD was a superstar). Absolutely disingenuous.
All true...also, 2009 wasn't a Finals trip season but him getting beat by a very limited offensive player in Howard was horrible. People always talk about MJ going up against 1 or 2 star teams conveniently leave that out when discussing LeBron though. To me, that was worse than 2011.
Also, that 2020 Heat team may have been the worse Finals participant in NBA history. The Lakers could have beaten them without LeBron lol.
@@jtremaine23 FACTS. That 2020 bubble ring is the fakest BS ever and the league pushed that narrative to sell lebrons legacy. Dude is sooo overrated. Prime Kobe would destroy any version of Lebron.
The teammates argument could easily be turned around on Lebron since he couldn't win a ring until he teamed up with Wade and Bosh.
So how did pippin take the team to thev Conference Finals without Michael Jordan and they were one game out of the record when Michael Jordan was with them what does that say Michael Jordan had a great team come on George Clinton Jordan douche in his league right now today SRS non-athletic players he played against man house need not to mention the fact that he kept on quitting f****** quitter come on and making that s***
Mj's career is unique in that you essentially had 2 maybe 3 different versions of himself with gaps in his career. I think that in and of itself allows goat discussions to rage on because there's always the "what if" he didn't have those gap years. For myself his wizards years are important because it showed he could still play more importantly, that it was a mistake to dismantle the bulls after 98.
His wizard years also proved to me that his game could carry well into the 2000s in spite of some arguing he was just a "90s" player.
That’s cool but Jordan is a glorified scorer on an elite team in a weak era of basketball. The expansion era.
@@cheyheyway6244 Myth busted. The comment sounds like a desperate act to undermine 80-90 eras as much as possible even insulting legends like Larry Bird to quoted Jordan as God in disguise and Bobby Knight. Plenty footage is publicly available to bury that outright lie.
@@cheyheyway6244 That's cool we know you're on drugs...
@@cheyheyway6244 Russell Westbrook: WHAT?!
@@mpound97 I don’t do any drugs whatsoever. Can’t say the same for you
“Nick Wright being the absolute weasel he is…” My favorite line ever
he actually had 10 scoring titles not 9
If Lebron travels back in time and win the nuggets and the ring, and win 5 more straight chips....still will not pas MJ!
Nick Wrong talking points always fall flat 😂💀