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And I’ll make sure you never have to worry about taking a few steps back. I’ll put my Chapter Banner down, give you some great buffs, remind you how good of a boy you’ve been to the Emperor, give a few headpats, then send you off with lollipop in hand! For the Emperor!
@@BashFiskBrother, your intentions are pure and noble. But are you perhaps mistaking his simple and Blessed mind for that of the equally pure and noble Ogryns?
idc how bad assault is, crashing into a horde of xenos with a thunderhammer is the absolute maximum fun you can have in a video game and I won’t hear otherwise
in campaing jump pack is good, fast reload and high jumps, pvp is the same, but in pve jump pack has 2 charges that reload slow as fuck, and u cant jump higher than 2 meters
@@cheekibreeki1983 hopefully the devs listen to player feedback on how weak Assault is and give it some buffs in the first balance patch. If the jump pack had the exact same functionality it has in PvP it would be fantastic.
It is not a bad class. Play, play, play, and pay attention and you will see -- as I saw -- the game play of the Assault in this video the guy was spamming light attacks on Shielded enemy's. I would wait for a cash crop video, or one of his friends. They are actually paying attention. They also, are not yapping away without even having Artificer weapons.
@sanguicidas a good player can make any class look good, assault is definitely one of the weaker classes (doesn't stop it from being my favorite). The only thing it really needs is the ability to change the takeoff style. keep the one we have now as the main one for people that like it, but give us the option to unlock how it works in pvp or the campaign. I've heard alot of "the jump pack is inconsistent, it doesn't always takeoff" and that's because of how the launch works, you gotta be mindful of where the yellow circle that shows where you launch to, because if you're facing a gap, or you're staring at a wall, the yellow icon dissapears, indicating no jump is available.
As a certified bulwark main, its placement hurt my soul. Bulwark is great at holding the line of a horde while doing a combinations of parries and dropping his flag to further secure the front/give his allies their health back during an execution. Having a bulwark is almost essential in high difficulty games with the utility the flag brings and how effective he is at securing the front like to keep his ranged brothers safe.
S tier JUST for it's team perk. Literally makes your team indestructible. 1 shooting extremis and majoris enemies? S tier. Handling hordes with a single perfect parry? S tier. Nothing else compares.
@@callumsmith7404 run the 'Decapitation' operation, the one where you kill the hive tyrant. Can be done on any difficulty, just know your limits and don't rush into max difficulty if you're not certain you're capable. You don't want bots, bots slow down the strat and are really useless on higher difficulties. Basically just run through it as fast as you can, ignore all enemies. The only times that you have to fight anything are on the bridge section where you're defending with the Imperial Guard, and at the end when you fight the boss. That's what most people are doing for quick xp.
Bulwark is such a must have in any team comp im in. I always play bulwark so having an ult that restores armor along with the team perks is great. Not having a main isnt an issue since relying on your battle brothers isnt a problem. If anything, the Emperor wants us to work as one cohesive unit.
He didn’t talk about the most important perks for bulwark invigorating icon heals contested health which can make your whole team invincible at high levels and well as the shock buffs bulwark is insane plus you can block enemy fire and aggro snipers for your team while they take them plas pistol stops reinforcement calls in one charged shot btw and does major damage against anything including the flying boss
I maxed vanguard at level 25. It’s arguably the strongest class, with one of the best perk in the game - giving 15%+refresh rate of all teammate skills.
Bulwark really only has issues if you're not playing with actual people. The shield can block projectiles so it's not suffering from being defenseless, plus with competent teammates it's a monster
I love the Tactical class, because it makes me feel like the classic depiction of a space marine. Just a big dude with a heavy bolter rifle shootin´ filthy xenos
The Bulwark is so rough without any of its perks, you're just as squishy as everyone else at the beginning. Going to be a tough ride to level it up to the point where it can actually perform its role.
Heres a bit of information for you, fellow bulwark mains. When you place your banner, it restores the rest of your missing health as contested. Place the banner right before you or a fellow battle-brother engage an execution, and it'll restore the entirety of the missing health. Good for those high missions where one down is a mortal. Pop the banner, execute, then stim to patch the mortal wound.
Have you noticed as bulwark that if you replace your load out at one of the checkpoints you find during missions you get all your health back? It doesn't happen when I do it on other classes
Didn’t even watch yet but the sniper is on my blood, I see sniper, I click sniper. I dream sniper, I eat sniper, I think sniper. I am sniper. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Power sword is a hybrid of chain sword and knife. When it's unpowered you can deal heavy 1v1 damage. Useful on elites. The powered version will delete massive waves of enemies.
@@Theoriginalhammer Yeah hes honestly got no idea what hes talking aboput for half the stuff. Doesn't have weapon skill points unlocked either and misses the point of some classes entirely.
yeah its kinda just definitively better than chain sword. I'm guessing the guy didn't extensively use most of the weapons before coming up with his arbitrary opinion on them
The assault doesn't come online until level 23 where you can reset the jump pack rapidly. The late game hammer perks are very strong and extremely high dmg.
It’s a shame that the jump pack has such an insanely long cool down for 2 jumps. It ends up making the gameplay feel more like you’re a bulwark that can occasionally dash a little further or do an ok aoe attack. And where’s the jump pack from the game? The assault jump pack lets you jump like a foot off the ground and the campaign on lets you jump insanely high and hover? It’s just disappointing.
Yeah I feel the same way about the jump pack, both campaign and pvp have the better jump back. I hope that it’s a bug if not I hope that they plan on making the jump like the others.
The Assault perks can actually give your jumpack a huge boost (almost infinite) potential. Its got a perk that adds 10% to each enemies killed. And if you see how many Gaunts there are ... jump on their heads and you actually get MORE jumpack cooldown after using it on top of taking back to previous jump. Its almost infinite. In operations mode, the harder the difficulty, the more enemies come running at you. I'm still a low level on my assault but I'm pretty sure once you get the proper perks down, mfer would be jumping almost all the time just as the Emperor intended. I'm really seeing the Assault being a powerful class on the late game, but its admittedly rough when you're still low level and on the process of levelling him up
Heavy boltor with strategic stand makes you nigh-immortal when you’re in heavy stance; the amount of times I’ve been able to survive situations I really shouldn’t is numerous!
Bulwark is easy s tier. If you're running out of armor instantly, you're not dodging and countering like you should. The plasma pistol more than makes up for no primary and the power sword has 2 modes, wide attacks and single target. Dodge striking does great damage to groups and striking into heavy strike breaks bigger enemies fairly well. You can also disrupt the enemies with shield bash. You totally just kind of slipped over it and placed it in B because you probably didn't give it a chance and play it yourself.
As bulwark I probably had a moment that made me feel more badass than I've ever felt in a multiplayer game. Whole squad went down and I was out of bullets, surrounded by 200 tyranids, my armor ripped to shreds, i fought tooth and nail, until the very last was decimated. Then helped my battle brothers back to their feet. The emperor protects.
I’m glad that I wasn’t the only one who was having issues with the jump pack. I thought it was just a skill issue since I’m brand new to using a PC (just got one for my birthday on Sunday and SM2 is the first game I’ve played), but hearing that it’s a genuine issue makes a lot more sense.
Remember My Brothers! In case it needs to be said! Play what looks fun first and foremost! Don't let my tier list force you into a certain class, devs will likely balance things as the game goes on anyways!
I've never been one to let someone's opinion or tier list deter me from what I thought was cool. That being said, it's always good to have Intel about stuff going in. Your video and time are appreciated, brother.
Here from the future, all the classes were genuinely balanced and designed so well. Ive no lifed all of them and they all have some really nice things they offer. That being said the slightly more op classes are sniper, heavy, and bulwark. Another op team comb is sniper, heavy, and tactical all on the same team.
@@cloakedcarp Honestly porbably true, I'd suspect it to be wizard stick and melee only with a sort of plasma overheat, but they make ammo hard for everyone else, so maybe they'll just make it take a lot of heat so you can't magic a ton, but that also feels lame
I am hoping for a Chaplain that should give the war cry general party buff. And the Techmarine, let you bring either a Tarantula, Rapier Laser Destroyer, or Thundergun. Hell even a good old Thudd gun or Mole Mortar would be great. But I also support, the idea of adding in the Librarian and Apothecary too. Let us field a whole Command Squad for PVP.
The reason i think Bulwark and higher are as good as they are is because Ranged damage is so insane in this game. You are getting constantly smited from across the map especially on any level 3 or 4 difficulty. So any unit that has any easier time replenishing shield is automatically much better off.
I started with Assault class. And you're right, it's a bit lacking at the moment. They need to make it's jump pack the same as campaign mode with 2 charges and really fast cooldown. Then, they need to enable being able to use jetpack melee attacks for airborne creatures. Finally, instead of perks to make jump pack more available, they need to make it provide benefits for jetpacking such as increased defenses/armor, more power, etc. Right now there's too many downsides and not enough jetpack usage to counter it. What saves the assault from being completely unworth using vs other options is its ability to use the thunderhammer which is a really good melee weapon that makes you feel like a bad ass mechathor
Bulwark becomes S-tier the second you get the contested health perk. Stims stop mattering except to remove mortal wounds. In every match that has been close with my friends, it's usually me as Bulwark who can save it off pure survivability.
I hate that assault has a jet pack but its restricted to attacks and low flight which is ridiculous, can't even jump across platforms or jump heights in multiplayer
Bulwark is so underrated, the fact, that you can completely CC a horde with your Powersword and shock them for standing near you, is only one thing that makes runs even on higher difficulties so much easier
With a fencing type power sword and the Chapter Banner ability that gives back full contested health and then full red health when executing an enemy by the Chapter Banner Bulwark is S tier imo. Literally with the power whirl you can clear mobs easy and if you power down the power sword you can do quick single target damage. I don’t think you’ve truly played enough Bulwark from what I saw. It takes awhile to get there but on Ruthless Bulwark carries. Quick tip also if you just quickly double tap parry/block with a fencing type power sword you can parry perfectly every time. This also helps with the ability Bulwark has to deploy a shock field on perfect parry. If you’re surrounded by Tyranid Warriors you can kill all of them. And the Plasma Pistol helps when dealing with bosses not in melee range very solid damage. Also if you’re in sync with your team that Chapter Banner ability I mentioned that can restore full health if you execute an enemy by the banner, that can also apply to teammates by said banner. You can heal you and your boys to FULL health provided you setup an execution and place the banner down. And in Ruthless where Medicae are scarce and heal for so little this is VERY good. I know this probably common knowledge for some people but running Inferno on Ruthless difficulty with a Bulwark guarantees a win every time if they’re actually setup like how I mentioned and know how to place the Chapter Banner. Literally the mission I farm most for resources with my own Bulwark.
@@betterjonnys181 Which doesn’t have much trash clear. Unlike vanguard where you can have splash damage when you grapple and stun smaller enemy’s around you. On top melter rifle and chainsword. Then you have a perfect brawler for max diff solo. Don’t get me wrong I love sniper it’s my best class, but it can’t keep up with vanguard. It just can’t.
Bulwark is definitely a class that takes finesse but it is a must have. The ultimate can save you on harder difficulties and you just become a dreadnought
Tactical imo is S tier and a must have if you want to clear substantial or ruthless missions: it melts bosses / extremis (and allows your brothers to do so as well). Take these perks. Priority targeting: The mark from Auspex Scan lasts 8 seconds longer (base: 8), but Auspex Scan ignores Minoris enemies (you don't use it to clear minoris so it's not a problem imo). Expert timing: Enemies marked by Auspex Scan take an additional 100% Damage, but the mark's Duration is reduced by 4 seconds (base: 8). That's why the perk above so the scan lasts 12s and not 4. Precise calibration: Enemies marked by Auspex Scan take an additional 75% Damage, but Auspex Scan's radius is reduced by 25% (is not that big of a reduction but 75% dmg is really good). So your friendly Hive Tyrant / Helbrute / lictor etc. gets a mark, takes at least 175% more dmg from all sources and when you have like 5 or 6 tyranid warriors grouped together your team can obliterate them. Use melta gun if you want to blast to hell majoris and minoris alike or plasma incinerator for more focused damage vs single targets but less effective at horde clearing.
As melee freak this list hurts. The wave clear on assault should be noted. Also the bulwarks banner is almost necessary on high difficulties and the shield is badass
Assault was the first thing I pushed to max, and then my level 1 heavy with a melta was better and I knew there was a problem. Bulwark is a solid support though for sure. Anyone running any variety of melta doesn't need a support tho
@@LuckyGhost fair enough, I won’t argue that it needs a buff. Perhaps a stronger secondary will be put in as an indirect buff. Or they make it the only class with 4 armor
Yeah I think giving it much more armor, or causing it to take reduced dmg because it's a heavier armor class or something would go a long way to fixing the problem
That is incorrect, once you learn parries and when to heavy attack you can dominate every situation ruthless is too easy for me now I’m looking forward to new difficulty
The sniper actually gains a lot of ammo sustain when fully built with the las fusil, and it has health regen and ammo regen when fighting mobs near endgame
Vanguard was my first class.. it did NOT disappoint. I love soloing Warriors while my team mates cover me. I always leave with the most melee damage, being in the middle of hordes countering and outlasting them makes me feel like a lore accurate Space Marine.
Another thing about vanguard is that they have a perk that makes perfect parry 50% easier pair this with fencing on you're melee you can spam the parry button and block anything that is not unblockable.
@@cloakedcarpignore him bro I have the early acess myself the game is good you won’t be disappointed oh forgot to mention I like that unlike games like cod there’s no mini map when shots are fired off
I know that a lot of people frown upon the assault class, but at the same time, it hits so hard. Now, I would say it's possibly the hardest-hitting melee damage character, and heavy would probably be the hardest-hitting ranged damage character because that multi-melta cannon does so much damage. I'm currently trying to level up my assault class as much as possible until I can't anymore, and I have a pretty good build on it at the moment to the point where I probably don't need to switch up my build anymore. At this point, it's just leveling up my class. At that point, I assume that leveling up any class will make it do either more damage or be able to take more hits against certain enemies. I'm not really sure what leveling up does, but I pretty much have the build that I found so far to be the best for assault class on RUclips, or at least in most cases, to be the best build for the best melee damage possible. And then the best survivability, especially with the range of the attacks that you can do because of your bolt pistol. But after the assault class, I definitely plan on going with the heavy class. It looks so cool, and with its performance that I've seen a lot of people do with it, it looks like it would be so fun to use. I would definitely like to level that all the way up as well eventually and do a good perk and build for it.
Bulwark for me In group play I can see a good Bulwark player making a choke point so heavy and sniper and lay waste to targets out of reach. Assault and Vanguard can help kill harder to kill targets up front, and tactican can play more of a support range damage dealer role behind a Bulwark choke point. So many ways that a proper Bulwark can essentially make the team invincible with any team composition.
Assault is an absolute fun to play. The hammer is great, falling from the sky on a group of enemies is very awesome. But, it sure lacks of survivability and I'm relieved that I'm not the only one who had the jetpack's bug. It is so frustrating when you're in the middle of a swarm and can't activate your wings to take off and reach a safer place. Hope to see a fix soon but, in the meantime, I'll keep smashing heads with the big hammer. FOR THE EMPEROR!
@@calebheisserer5391 That's fine, that is why you should specialize in two specs anyways. I think the Tactical marine will be more popular than the vanguard and heavy. And the bulwark seems to be the one all the content creators is gravitating too.
I agree that bulwark definitely needs some more love from the developers however, I have learned that as long as you have a sniper on your team, the sniper easily covers the disadvantage of range attacks since you’re the one trying to draw all the aggro to buy them time to shoot all the ranged or flying enemies. Essentially you are the moving target for your squad. Plus, my marine is a black Templar so it’s kinda mandatory I play bulwark or a cqc based class. Kind of wish they gave assault or bulwark an ability that temporarily knocked down flying enemies
as a sniper main I always feel frustrated af when teammates DISPERSED when the waves started, cuz usually the most optimal strat when you have a sniper in the team is to make sure the sniper always shoots and not get gamgbanged whenever there's an elite enemy in the waves
"Each squad will have at LEAST one heavy!" By the golden throne, i would LOVE to see a squad of Heavies but alas we're only allowed one of each class Battle Brother.
I can only say that Bulwark and Heavy combo is insane, been running it for a while and we don't even need a third or a bot. We can just melt everything on our path and be undefeated.
At the two higher difficulties, you really want a Bulwark in your party. They just let your main dps go nuts. I can't imagine Bulwark not S tier. Your damage isn't even bad either.
Does anyone know what the "piercing" weapon stat does? What enemies have Armor? Interested in how important that weapon stat is compared to just general firepower.
I'm gonna main a bulwark and play this game like Dark Souls 3 with high latency. Just installed. Let's see if this tier list holds true.. "for if the world wasn't against me, it wouldn't be fair otherwise"
I keep seeing people underestimate the power sword and forget that it has 2 modes. One of for single target enemies similar to the combat knife and the other is multi target like the chain sword. It's definitely an S tier weapon imo and just from that alone I'd push bulwark into the A teir
Counter Argument for the Sniper: its actually one of the best AoE "Damage" dealing classes since if you are killing a Majoris amid a bunch of the smaller horde, they all just drop dead Edit: All that talking about how great the Multi melta is; doesnt even slightly mention the Multi Melta perk in the heavy's tree that refunds ammo if you kill more than one target with a shot
Assault is great in PvP to harass the point if the fight is on B, you can harass A or D back and forth to draw them away, or short cuts to get to the zone faster
Best way to buff the Assault class is to give them invincibility windows (5 secs?) when using their jump pack. Or give them temporary DEF buffs and/or health restore when killing something when they use their jump pack.
I ABSOLUTELY love the Assault class but one jump too far you'll get caught up. I love bein able to choose your style of upgrade for the weapons, it should be the new standard in game progression.
Easy tier list S Tier: Heavy A Tier: Bulwark, Tactical B Tier: Everybody else The classes barely matter. The only reason heavy stands out is because it does the highest damage (don’t bother arguing that, people have done the math and it’s not even close). The Bulwark and Tact are the best at supporting the Heavy so they can do Heavy things better and everybody else works, but they do nothing spectacular.
The bulwark is hands down my favorite so far. If you’re knocking enough enemies you’re regaining your armor incredibly fast, and the shield is the most useful aspect of the loadout. Being able to sit in front of my brother while he peppers the enemy, then obliterating anything that tries to touch him has been incredibly effective for my squad. The survivability of the bulwark is unmatched
As one that play bulwark as my first char in operation. It should easily be A or S tier, youre basically invincible with that shield and a weapon with fencing. The only weakness he would have is against zoanthropes and neurothropes. Especially if luck doesn't want to give you krak grenades
Bulwark in B tier is criminal, yea dude doesn’t have range, but that shield wielding beast just doesn’t die, if you build him right the health regeneration can be the best in the game
So glad u mentioned the jump pack not activating sometimes. I have died so many times in groups of enemies from the pack not working when I press the jump key. I've also had several times where it only puts me like a foot off the ground or where someone's melee attack brings me down from the air during my ground slame charge....it needs fixing badly for such a vulnerable class
I'm surprised the Sniper perks weren't talked about in more detail, since they have some amazing stuff. You forgot to mention that they, like Vanguard, have a perk that revives them but also makes them invisible for a few seconds on a 180 sec cooldown. They also have a team perk that restores 10% ult per headshot kill, another perk that gives you 5% ult on headshot kill for yourself, and a perk that increases ammo reserves by 10%. I'd put it at S-tier if we're assuming that all the classes are being played optimally.
Bulwark should be much higher, the team support he gives is amazing and he has that sheild which blocks most attacks, which is great for protecting your brothers and closing distance. Very powerful in the right hands.
Bulwark Main here. It's not the best in terms of damage, but as the game suggests it works more as a support class. You can soak ranged damage like no tomorrow, get dangerous in close range and if you are smart, you can take out extremis and tyrannis targets with absolute ease. The Plasma Pistol is by far the best secondary, though you will eat through ammo. The Bulwark though is great at keeping your brothers alive. That banner is nothing to snuff at, not to mention the passives you can bring to your team. Bulwark definitely works best (IMO) playing with a Heavy, Tactical and/or a Vanguard. It does take some getting used to I must admit.
Man this game looks so badass, my friends are kinda into WH but I know nothing. I'll be getting it when it comes out, and probably main Vanguard. Seems the one that fits me best.
Bulwark is easy A tier for me. Others have already pointed out how much of a boost a fully upgraded Bulwark can be to a team, but they're actually pretty solid in their own right. The Plasma Pistol is a really good gun and gives you a pretty hard-hitting ranged weapon that's good against all enemies (especially once charged it does great damage vs individual enemies or small groups w/ splash) and you can block damage with your shield - which really protects you from many ranged enemies quite well as you close the distance - plus the power sword I'd say is also stronger than the Chainsword by a solid margin. It's been my go-to for PVE over the other classes, with tactical a close second.
I loved how assault played and the damage, but hate the cooldown on flight, no shield, and being open to range everytime I went in. Health was a issue at times, but at the same time could be a skill issue since the game just came out. I played 4 games and Bulwark, and heavy/tactical were in every game 🤷
a couple things with the tactical, there were a couple perks that I think you missed. One is the perk that reloads your weapon whenever you get a finisher. Pretty much never need to reload making the Melta essentially a Multi-Melta. There is also the perk that gives you 25% bonus ranged damage whenever you get a gun strike, which is really easy to get. This makes the Tactical an absolute powerhouse with ranged weapons, especially with the Melta
Melee characters should be keeping Krak grenades handy for Zoanthropes and Neurothropes, a few of those will send them to the ground for a good pummeling. Also, Melee classes should use fencing weapons, as they make it EXTREMELY easy to get Parries off, whereas balanced has a much tighter parry window and block weapons CANNOT parry, period.
It always seems like a tactical marine is the basic newb unit. However in lore it’s actually the very experienced warriors that become a tactical marine because they know tons of different strategies for the ever changing flow of battle and terrain, also knowing how to use a vast variety of weapons. When an initiate passes the trials to become a space marine they are first put in the scout company to observe and learn from a distance and relative safety. Then they get elevated to a devastator (heavy) squad where they use heavy weapons to mow down enemies. Then to assault squads to learn close combat tactics. Finally if they survive all that they get elevated to a tactical marine.
As an assualt marine i can confirm armor and health drain like balloon with a hole in it one thing if found is using melee weapons that have a fencing focus. Fenecing focus on melee weapons let you parry more often and also melle weapons that have high speed also help swing more, parry more and none shall defy you.
Problem is Melta weapons are simply too good atm. Multi Melta on Heavy is a THE choice. Bolt based ammo needs serious help. That said, Plasma Pistol is WAY more effective at dealing with Zoanthropes. With the Bulwark it’s just the go to for elites.
I still have my Dark Angels army. And in this game you already know I have to fight for my Primarch. Which is why I chose Bulwark as my main. For the Lion, for the Emperor.
My order base I like 1. Assault 2. Vanguard 3. Sniper 4. Bulwark 5. Tact 6. Heavy *I want to main bulwark since it's the closest to a healer for the squad but the shield makes it super hard to parry and mess me up with elites compare to the other classes
I am a Raven Guard. Because my friend who loves 40k said I'm a Raven Guard. So I was the most excited by Assault. But then the jump pack disappointed me in coop. So I switched to Sniper. And I love it.
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could we get a pvp class tier list? because i think vanguard is amazing in pvp
Me heavy, brain smol, gun big, loyalty to the emperor bigger
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I'll take out the elites and you show those little guys what a cheese grader feels like okay bud?
And I’ll make sure you never have to worry about taking a few steps back. I’ll put my Chapter Banner down, give you some great buffs, remind you how good of a boy you’ve been to the Emperor, give a few headpats, then send you off with lollipop in hand! For the Emperor!
@@BashFiskBrother, your intentions are pure and noble. But are you perhaps mistaking his simple and Blessed mind for that of the equally pure and noble Ogryns?
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idc how bad assault is, crashing into a horde of xenos with a thunderhammer is the absolute maximum fun you can have in a video game and I won’t hear otherwise
I prefer the power fist to the thunder hammer, but i concur that crashing into large groups is some of the most fun you can have
in campaing jump pack is good, fast reload and high jumps, pvp is the same, but in pve jump pack has 2 charges that reload slow as fuck, and u cant jump higher than 2 meters
@@cheekibreeki1983 hopefully the devs listen to player feedback on how weak Assault is and give it some buffs in the first balance patch. If the jump pack had the exact same functionality it has in PvP it would be fantastic.
It is not a bad class. Play, play, play, and pay attention and you will see -- as I saw -- the game play of the Assault in this video the guy was spamming light attacks on Shielded enemy's.
I would wait for a cash crop video, or one of his friends. They are actually paying attention. They also, are not yapping away without even having Artificer weapons.
@sanguicidas a good player can make any class look good, assault is definitely one of the weaker classes (doesn't stop it from being my favorite).
The only thing it really needs is the ability to change the takeoff style. keep the one we have now as the main one for people that like it, but give us the option to unlock how it works in pvp or the campaign.
I've heard alot of "the jump pack is inconsistent, it doesn't always takeoff" and that's because of how the launch works, you gotta be mindful of where the yellow circle that shows where you launch to, because if you're facing a gap, or you're staring at a wall, the yellow icon dissapears, indicating no jump is available.
As a certified bulwark main, its placement hurt my soul.
Bulwark is great at holding the line of a horde while doing a combinations of parries and dropping his flag to further secure the front/give his allies their health back during an execution. Having a bulwark is almost essential in high difficulty games with the utility the flag brings and how effective he is at securing the front like to keep his ranged brothers safe.
S tier JUST for it's team perk. Literally makes your team indestructible.
1 shooting extremis and majoris enemies? S tier.
Handling hordes with a single perfect parry? S tier.
Nothing else compares.
@@draconiandraco i agree brother
Bul is S if you know how to play him, A if you're decent - anything lower and people really do not know the potential of him.
wouldnt really call him essential in higher difficulties but he is a really good pick
I absolutely agree brother
Anything that wields a Hammer is SSS tier in my book.
aye brother the thunder hammer is a most impressive weapon!
Until you have a flying target..
u cant be that dull lol
monster hunter hammer main?
@@djh3957 Yes sir! Can't wait for wilds. Nothing bonks pixels like the Monster Hunter Hammer!
Endgame Bulwark is S teir. Needed on every team
As a maxed vanguard I highly agree. I love bulwark mains on my team
@@True_Judahhow have you maxed a class already? What’s the strat?
@@callumsmith7404 pre-orders got five day early access
@@callumsmith7404 run the 'Decapitation' operation, the one where you kill the hive tyrant. Can be done on any difficulty, just know your limits and don't rush into max difficulty if you're not certain you're capable. You don't want bots, bots slow down the strat and are really useless on higher difficulties.
Basically just run through it as fast as you can, ignore all enemies. The only times that you have to fight anything are on the bridge section where you're defending with the Imperial Guard, and at the end when you fight the boss.
That's what most people are doing for quick xp.
@@callumsmith7404 Highest difficulty you can play without losing matches and finding the gene-seed every match.
Bulwark is such a must have in any team comp im in. I always play bulwark so having an ult that restores armor along with the team perks is great. Not having a main isnt an issue since relying on your battle brothers isnt a problem. If anything, the Emperor wants us to work as one cohesive unit.
Yup. I just had a read through all the classes abilities etc and I’ll be maining Bulwark.
@@titanicjack6744 may the emperor bless your blade and the codex astartes guide you.
He didn’t talk about the most important perks for bulwark invigorating icon heals contested health which can make your whole team invincible at high levels and well as the shock buffs bulwark is insane plus you can block enemy fire and aggro snipers for your team while they take them plas pistol stops reinforcement calls in one charged shot btw and does major damage against anything including the flying boss
@@AngelGomez-kl9bv ahhhhhh another battle brother who the emperor has blessed. Welcome to our platoon brother!!
@@rafaelramoscardona3108 may your guard never break brother for we are the immovable object, we are the shield! No evil shall pass.
Man I hope they add lightning claws .. I want a raptor build 🤘😈🤘
xenos scum surely fear such a thing and so I am all for it! 🫡
Carcharodon and ravenguard almost need their claws can't picture them with anything else
I wanna be a night lord raptor man
@@thatguyyouknow7804 my thoughts exactly brother .
If only we could make a marine as large as Tyberos
The emperor didn't give me 7 foots of height to act like a thief in the night, brother. Heavy is my calling.
Most based Raven Guard critic.
Rogal Dorn would be proud.
8 feet tall plus you mean
Crazy to think from the beginning I said idc how bad vanguard is I want that knife and grapple… little did I know
Literally same I saw grappling hook and was like yup I know my class😂
Same
Stared vanguard today and just jumped off at lv20 so far the most fun class for me.
I maxed vanguard at level 25. It’s arguably the strongest class, with one of the best perk in the game - giving 15%+refresh rate of all teammate skills.
I started heavy because I’m like, vanguard’s gonna be too squishy :(. I was wrong, no it is not
Bulwark really only has issues if you're not playing with actual people. The shield can block projectiles so it's not suffering from being defenseless, plus with competent teammates it's a monster
Agreed, It is a fantastic support class my brother!
@@LuckyGhostNgl this tier list is a little scuffed.
a buddy of mine is LARPing hard as a grey knight on bulwark and he is maxed out and absolutely refuses to die when I play in his lobby
I love the Tactical class, because it makes me feel like the classic depiction of a space marine. Just a big dude with a heavy bolter rifle shootin´ filthy xenos
the heavy bolter rifle was my mainstay throughout the campaign. so satisfying to use.
More grenades and seemlessly switches to melee
Am I the only mad lad that wants to try make a close range build for the Sniper class using the Bolt Carbine and Melee?
You may be crazy, but you are not useless. As long as Tyranid scum fall at your feet, the Emperor will continue to provide my brother!
@@LuckyGhost I think it comes from primarily using Shotgun Infiltrators in the Mass Effect campaigns and multiplayer
@@EroticLemur if you like shotguns, definitely give the melta rifles a try! my brother!
@@LuckyGhost Vanguard with melts is my first choice 💪
Infiltrator style would be nice
Wanted to main bulwark but everyone else is fighting over bulwark, so i switched up to vanguard and i dont regret it.
The Bulwark is so rough without any of its perks, you're just as squishy as everyone else at the beginning. Going to be a tough ride to level it up to the point where it can actually perform its role.
Gonna prob be worth the grind tho.
Fuck I was worried about this
The tougher the road towards purity, the more rewarding the journey’s end Brother
Every class struggles until about lvl 8 or so
It’s definitely a rough start but the perks get good as hell it seems
Heres a bit of information for you, fellow bulwark mains. When you place your banner, it restores the rest of your missing health as contested. Place the banner right before you or a fellow battle-brother engage an execution, and it'll restore the entirety of the missing health. Good for those high missions where one down is a mortal. Pop the banner, execute, then stim to patch the mortal wound.
Have you noticed as bulwark that if you replace your load out at one of the checkpoints you find during missions you get all your health back? It doesn't happen when I do it on other classes
Didn’t even watch yet but the sniper is on my blood, I see sniper, I click sniper. I dream sniper, I eat sniper, I think sniper. I am sniper. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
May your aim be Blessed by the Emperor my brother! THE EMPEROR PROVIDES! THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!
Famous last words as the sniper is slowly coming out the rear end 😂
Sogeking approves of the OP.
Sniper is one of the toughest to play until he gets to about lvl 8 or higher
Power sword is a hybrid of chain sword and knife. When it's unpowered you can deal heavy 1v1 damage. Useful on elites. The powered version will delete massive waves of enemies.
Video seems highly under researched. That section alone made me go "did he even read the item descriptions?"
@@Theoriginalhammer Yeah hes honestly got no idea what hes talking aboput for half the stuff. Doesn't have weapon skill points unlocked either and misses the point of some classes entirely.
yeah its kinda just definitively better than chain sword. I'm guessing the guy didn't extensively use most of the weapons before coming up with his arbitrary opinion on them
The assault doesn't come online until level 23 where you can reset the jump pack rapidly. The late game hammer perks are very strong and extremely high dmg.
It’s a shame that the jump pack has such an insanely long cool down for 2 jumps. It ends up making the gameplay feel more like you’re a bulwark that can occasionally dash a little further or do an ok aoe attack. And where’s the jump pack from the game? The assault jump pack lets you jump like a foot off the ground and the campaign on lets you jump insanely high and hover? It’s just disappointing.
You have to hold q not tap it. You should hover then
Yeah I feel the same way about the jump pack, both campaign and pvp have the better jump back. I hope that it’s a bug if not I hope that they plan on making the jump like the others.
The Assault perks can actually give your jumpack a huge boost (almost infinite) potential. Its got a perk that adds 10% to each enemies killed. And if you see how many Gaunts there are ... jump on their heads and you actually get MORE jumpack cooldown after using it on top of taking back to previous jump. Its almost infinite. In operations mode, the harder the difficulty, the more enemies come running at you. I'm still a low level on my assault but I'm pretty sure once you get the proper perks down, mfer would be jumping almost all the time just as the Emperor intended. I'm really seeing the Assault being a powerful class on the late game, but its admittedly rough when you're still low level and on the process of levelling him up
Jumping like a Mario Brother ...lol
i was very underwhelmed in operations bcs its so much better in campaign mode.
Heavy boltor with strategic stand makes you nigh-immortal when you’re in heavy stance; the amount of times I’ve been able to survive situations I really shouldn’t is numerous!
Bulwark is easy s tier. If you're running out of armor instantly, you're not dodging and countering like you should. The plasma pistol more than makes up for no primary and the power sword has 2 modes, wide attacks and single target. Dodge striking does great damage to groups and striking into heavy strike breaks bigger enemies fairly well. You can also disrupt the enemies with shield bash.
You totally just kind of slipped over it and placed it in B because you probably didn't give it a chance and play it yourself.
As bulwark I probably had a moment that made me feel more badass than I've ever felt in a multiplayer game. Whole squad went down and I was out of bullets, surrounded by 200 tyranids, my armor ripped to shreds, i fought tooth and nail, until the very last was decimated. Then helped my battle brothers back to their feet. The emperor protects.
Bounce between Sniper and Heavy with some relaxation in the vanguard from time to time. Can't wait to play. FOR THE EMPEROR!!
Your loyalty to the Emperor is most noticeable. You will be rewarded
I’m glad that I wasn’t the only one who was having issues with the jump pack. I thought it was just a skill issue since I’m brand new to using a PC (just got one for my birthday on Sunday and SM2 is the first game I’ve played), but hearing that it’s a genuine issue makes a lot more sense.
Remember My Brothers! In case it needs to be said! Play what looks fun first and foremost! Don't let my tier list force you into a certain class, devs will likely balance things as the game goes on anyways!
I've never been one to let someone's opinion or tier list deter me from what I thought was cool. That being said, it's always good to have Intel about stuff going in. Your video and time are appreciated, brother.
@christopherscott8272 thank you brother! I'm lucky to have you here!
I planned to play vanguard regardless, but S tier is a bonus 😤
There are also synergies, if everyone gets Heavy or a Vanguard you will face difficulties.
@@nikpapado9785 You can only have one class type of each in operations. So there will always be 3 class benefits regardless.
Here from the future, all the classes were genuinely balanced and designed so well. Ive no lifed all of them and they all have some really nice things they offer. That being said the slightly more op classes are sniper, heavy, and bulwark. Another op team comb is sniper, heavy, and tactical all on the same team.
I will bust if they add librarian
We need us some beefcake wizardry!
I’m really hoping they add a psyker class, it could be pretty hard to balance though
@@cloakedcarp Honestly porbably true, I'd suspect it to be wizard stick and melee only with a sort of plasma overheat, but they make ammo hard for everyone else, so maybe they'll just make it take a lot of heat so you can't magic a ton, but that also feels lame
same if they add apothecary
I am hoping for a Chaplain that should give the war cry general party buff.
And the Techmarine, let you bring either a Tarantula, Rapier Laser Destroyer, or Thundergun. Hell even a good old Thudd gun or Mole Mortar would be great.
But I also support, the idea of adding in the Librarian and Apothecary too. Let us field a whole Command Squad for PVP.
The reason i think Bulwark and higher are as good as they are is because Ranged damage is so insane in this game. You are getting constantly smited from across the map especially on any level 3 or 4 difficulty. So any unit that has any easier time replenishing shield is automatically much better off.
I started with Assault class. And you're right, it's a bit lacking at the moment. They need to make it's jump pack the same as campaign mode with 2 charges and really fast cooldown. Then, they need to enable being able to use jetpack melee attacks for airborne creatures. Finally, instead of perks to make jump pack more available, they need to make it provide benefits for jetpacking such as increased defenses/armor, more power, etc. Right now there's too many downsides and not enough jetpack usage to counter it.
What saves the assault from being completely unworth using vs other options is its ability to use the thunderhammer which is a really good melee weapon that makes you feel like a bad ass mechathor
I agree brother!
It’s the only class that has the heavy bolt pistol though.
Bulwark becomes S-tier the second you get the contested health perk. Stims stop mattering except to remove mortal wounds. In every match that has been close with my friends, it's usually me as Bulwark who can save it off pure survivability.
Everybody who was hating on vanguard hurtin right now lol. Easily my fav class🤞🏾
Vanguard is truly blessed by the Emperor!
Played heavy once, can’t stop, I was so excited when you started talking good about it and put it in S Tier, it’s definitely amazing
I hate that assault has a jet pack but its restricted to attacks and low flight which is ridiculous, can't even jump across platforms or jump heights in multiplayer
Bulwark is so underrated, the fact, that you can completely CC a horde with your Powersword and shock them for standing near you, is only one thing that makes runs even on higher difficulties so much easier
Dont forget about bulwarks shield that actually blocks attacks that hit it. You can also hold it down and itll block any blue attacks.
With a fencing type power sword and the Chapter Banner ability that gives back full contested health and then full red health when executing an enemy by the Chapter Banner Bulwark is S tier imo. Literally with the power whirl you can clear mobs easy and if you power down the power sword you can do quick single target damage. I don’t think you’ve truly played enough Bulwark from what I saw. It takes awhile to get there but on Ruthless Bulwark carries. Quick tip also if you just quickly double tap parry/block with a fencing type power sword you can parry perfectly every time. This also helps with the ability Bulwark has to deploy a shock field on perfect parry. If you’re surrounded by Tyranid Warriors you can kill all of them. And the Plasma Pistol helps when dealing with bosses not in melee range very solid damage. Also if you’re in sync with your team that Chapter Banner ability I mentioned that can restore full health if you execute an enemy by the banner, that can also apply to teammates by said banner. You can heal you and your boys to FULL health provided you setup an execution and place the banner down. And in Ruthless where Medicae are scarce and heal for so little this is VERY good. I know this probably common knowledge for some people but running Inferno on Ruthless difficulty with a Bulwark guarantees a win every time if they’re actually setup like how I mentioned and know how to place the Chapter Banner. Literally the mission I farm most for resources with my own Bulwark.
Vanguard's fun. What's better than a walking tank? A flying tank.
Vanguards grapple attack deals so much damage,ur literally the dps for bigger enemies in the group
@@kano1652in comes the much safer, more devastating Las Fusil headshot
@@betterjonnys181 Which doesn’t have much trash clear. Unlike vanguard where you can have splash damage when you grapple and stun smaller enemy’s around you. On top melter rifle and chainsword. Then you have a perfect brawler for max diff solo. Don’t get me wrong I love sniper it’s my best class, but it can’t keep up with vanguard. It just can’t.
Bulwark is definitely a class that takes finesse but it is a must have. The ultimate can save you on harder difficulties and you just become a dreadnought
Bulwark (once you get the mechanics down) is absolutely 100% un-killable.
Running with your shield up and just tanking all the range fire feels great
Tactical imo is S tier and a must have if you want to clear substantial or ruthless missions: it melts bosses / extremis (and allows your brothers to do so as well).
Take these perks.
Priority targeting:
The mark from Auspex Scan lasts 8 seconds longer (base: 8), but Auspex Scan ignores Minoris enemies (you don't use it to clear minoris so it's not a problem imo).
Expert timing:
Enemies marked by Auspex Scan take an additional 100% Damage, but the mark's Duration is reduced by 4 seconds (base: 8).
That's why the perk above so the scan lasts 12s and not 4.
Precise calibration:
Enemies marked by Auspex Scan take an additional 75% Damage, but Auspex Scan's radius is reduced by 25%
(is not that big of a reduction but 75% dmg is really good).
So your friendly Hive Tyrant / Helbrute / lictor etc. gets a mark, takes at least 175% more dmg from all sources and when you have like 5 or 6 tyranid warriors grouped together your team can obliterate them.
Use melta gun if you want to blast to hell majoris and minoris alike or plasma incinerator for more focused damage vs single targets but less effective at horde clearing.
Tactical to start then Heavy. I love anything thats like a shotgun.
The Melta weapons will be your best friend my brother!
I enjoy the plasma shotgun a lot on my tactical. 2 charged shots for most majoris to get weakened.
As melee freak this list hurts. The wave clear on assault should be noted. Also the bulwarks banner is almost necessary on high difficulties and the shield is badass
Assault was the first thing I pushed to max, and then my level 1 heavy with a melta was better and I knew there was a problem. Bulwark is a solid support though for sure. Anyone running any variety of melta doesn't need a support tho
@@LuckyGhost fair enough, I won’t argue that it needs a buff. Perhaps a stronger secondary will be put in as an indirect buff. Or they make it the only class with 4 armor
Yeah I think giving it much more armor, or causing it to take reduced dmg because it's a heavier armor class or something would go a long way to fixing the problem
Sucks cause I love the hammer but always need help from my brother's in operations
Melee classes definitely need a buff. Range is the only option rn at higher tier
That is incorrect, once you learn parries and when to heavy attack you can dominate every situation ruthless is too easy for me now I’m looking forward to new difficulty
The sniper actually gains a lot of ammo sustain when fully built with the las fusil, and it has health regen and ammo regen when fighting mobs near endgame
I hate how some of the customization options are class exclusive. I wanna wear a cloak on my tactical
I think it’s better that way IMO gives classes a purpose
@@CorvoLegend1 there would be no point in classes as a whole if they allowed you to do that, effectively you’re saying you don’t like classes
@@michaelknaptonmk The fuck you on about? Space Marine 1 had global character customization, every option was available for every class.
@@michaelknaptonmk class locked cosmetics are not part of class balance. Crazy concept i know.
@@michaelknaptonmk No point in classes? This guy just means cosmetic customisation, not that every class should get every weapon lol.
Vanguard was my first class.. it did NOT disappoint. I love soloing Warriors while my team mates cover me. I always leave with the most melee damage, being in the middle of hordes countering and outlasting them makes me feel like a lore accurate Space Marine.
I hope they add a Librarian class
Another thing about vanguard is that they have a perk that makes perfect parry 50% easier pair this with fencing on you're melee you can spam the parry button and block anything that is not unblockable.
Vanguard is going to be my main for sure, probably heavy as secondary, I’m very excited to obliterate some nids on the 9th
I see your poor and can’t get the deluxe early access
@@AmbitiousPanda yeah :( I don’t have a lot of money lol
@@cloakedcarpignore him bro I have the early acess myself the game is good you won’t be disappointed oh forgot to mention I like that unlike games like cod there’s no mini map when shots are fired off
@@AmbitiousPandaWe see you’re lonely so you take on bullying online. Sad if you ask me.
@@cloakedcarpwe got this brother! See you in the game!
I know that a lot of people frown upon the assault class, but at the same time, it hits so hard. Now, I would say it's possibly the hardest-hitting melee damage character, and heavy would probably be the hardest-hitting ranged damage character because that multi-melta cannon does so much damage. I'm currently trying to level up my assault class as much as possible until I can't anymore, and I have a pretty good build on it at the moment to the point where I probably don't need to switch up my build anymore. At this point, it's just leveling up my class. At that point, I assume that leveling up any class will make it do either more damage or be able to take more hits against certain enemies. I'm not really sure what leveling up does, but I pretty much have the build that I found so far to be the best for assault class on RUclips, or at least in most cases, to be the best build for the best melee damage possible. And then the best survivability, especially with the range of the attacks that you can do because of your bolt pistol. But after the assault class, I definitely plan on going with the heavy class. It looks so cool, and with its performance that I've seen a lot of people do with it, it looks like it would be so fun to use. I would definitely like to level that all the way up as well eventually and do a good perk and build for it.
im already choosing sniper regardless
I would almost feel bad for the Xenos that cross your path brother, if they weren't all scum. For the emperor!
Bulwark for me
In group play I can see a good Bulwark player making a choke point so heavy and sniper and lay waste to targets out of reach. Assault and Vanguard can help kill harder to kill targets up front, and tactican can play more of a support range damage dealer role behind a Bulwark choke point.
So many ways that a proper Bulwark can essentially make the team invincible with any team composition.
Oh god im so torn. I loved being an ogryn and running the lmg and shield combo. Im so torn between bulwark or heavy.
You'll want to level two classes in case someone else is playing your main in that group So, in this case you should choose both my brother!
Assault is an absolute fun to play. The hammer is great, falling from the sky on a group of enemies is very awesome. But, it sure lacks of survivability and I'm relieved that I'm not the only one who had the jetpack's bug. It is so frustrating when you're in the middle of a swarm and can't activate your wings to take off and reach a safer place. Hope to see a fix soon but, in the meantime, I'll keep smashing heads with the big hammer. FOR THE EMPEROR!
The two specs I wanted are S tier, nice!
Just means more people are going to try to be picking them now lol
@@calebheisserer5391 That's fine, that is why you should specialize in two specs anyways.
I think the Tactical marine will be more popular than the vanguard and heavy.
And the bulwark seems to be the one all the content creators is gravitating too.
@@MGC-XIII true. at the end of the day I’m gonna play what looks cool to me. Sniper and heavy are what I think I’m gravitating towards
Good luck ever getting to choose them.
@@porkerpete7722 it doesn't help that Vanguard and Sniper share the slot for sure.
The jetpack for assault only works when you can see where the jump will be. You can't go over certain areas due to invisible walls.
Assault is easily the "worst" for pvp. The other classes are all pretty balanced, so pve choice matters little more than personal preference
The Emperor thanks you for sharing your opinion brother!
I loved assault in SM1 but given how the new jump pack mechanics are looking, unless the perk system can buff the class I don’t see how it survives.
@@ThaddeusBloodRaven I think a buff to damage reduction while in the air would go a long way into making assault a bit better.
I think it’s meant to be a dive comp choice
@@TheDashingInsanityx I mean I’m playing it now and the class just explodes. Ranged really is the best option right now.
I agree that bulwark definitely needs some more love from the developers however, I have learned that as long as you have a sniper on your team, the sniper easily covers the disadvantage of range attacks since you’re the one trying to draw all the aggro to buy them time to shoot all the ranged or flying enemies. Essentially you are the moving target for your squad. Plus, my marine is a black Templar so it’s kinda mandatory I play bulwark or a cqc based class. Kind of wish they gave assault or bulwark an ability that temporarily knocked down flying enemies
as a sniper main I always feel frustrated af when teammates DISPERSED when the waves started, cuz usually the most optimal strat when you have a sniper in the team is to make sure the sniper always shoots and not get gamgbanged whenever there's an elite enemy in the waves
That sniper using the machine gun can definitely be dangerous, he can go in spray , do some melee, turn invisible run off, like Loki lol
counting down the hours
The Emperor is most excited to add you to his ranks! Tyranid scum must be eradicated
"Each squad will have at LEAST one heavy!" By the golden throne, i would LOVE to see a squad of Heavies but alas we're only allowed one of each class Battle Brother.
For now!
Even the Bot heavy is very nice.... the sniper one not even close as good!
Will we ever get Lucky live streams again?
haha I hope to find the time again soon! ❤️
I can only say that Bulwark and Heavy combo is insane, been running it for a while and we don't even need a third or a bot. We can just melt everything on our path and be undefeated.
I tried heavy...
It's alright...
I might like Tactical, Vanguard, or Bulwark more...
Then again for Heavy I was using the Heavy Boltor.
For PvP I love Heavy.
Heavy with multi melta and plasma gun is the way
At the two higher difficulties, you really want a Bulwark in your party. They just let your main dps go nuts. I can't imagine Bulwark not S tier. Your damage isn't even bad either.
Does anyone know what the "piercing" weapon stat does? What enemies have Armor? Interested in how important that weapon stat is compared to just general firepower.
Piercing means the chance or effectiveness of a bullet flying through a dude into another dude
As the other dude said, piercing means you can line up your shots to take out multiple dudes with one bullet🫡
I'm gonna main a bulwark and play this game like Dark Souls 3 with high latency. Just installed. Let's see if this tier list holds true..
"for if the world wasn't against me, it wouldn't be fair otherwise"
Unrelated what song is playing while you talk about heavy 18:31
I keep seeing people underestimate the power sword and forget that it has 2 modes. One of for single target enemies similar to the combat knife and the other is multi target like the chain sword. It's definitely an S tier weapon imo and just from that alone I'd push bulwark into the A teir
yeah I'd probably rate Bulwark higher now, seeing as a lot of classes that aren't in S tier really benefit from having it around
Man’s doing a tier list not having all the abilities unlocked 😂
Counter Argument for the Sniper: its actually one of the best AoE "Damage" dealing classes since if you are killing a Majoris amid a bunch of the smaller horde, they all just drop dead
Edit: All that talking about how great the Multi melta is; doesnt even slightly mention the Multi Melta perk in the heavy's tree that refunds ammo if you kill more than one target with a shot
Assault is great in PvP to harass the point if the fight is on B, you can harass A or D back and forth to draw them away, or short cuts to get to the zone faster
Best way to buff the Assault class is to give them invincibility windows (5 secs?) when using their jump pack.
Or give them temporary DEF buffs and/or health restore when killing something when they use their jump pack.
I ABSOLUTELY love the Assault class but one jump too far you'll get caught up. I love bein able to choose your style of upgrade for the weapons, it should be the new standard in game progression.
Easy tier list
S Tier: Heavy
A Tier: Bulwark, Tactical
B Tier: Everybody else
The classes barely matter. The only reason heavy stands out is because it does the highest damage (don’t bother arguing that, people have done the math and it’s not even close). The Bulwark and Tact are the best at supporting the Heavy so they can do Heavy things better and everybody else works, but they do nothing spectacular.
As a Bulwark Player, i like it when i shove my fist into Heretics because i get sad when i see my friends take HP damage :(
Bulwark in B tier is a hot take.
You're practically unkillable as a bulwark
The bulwark is hands down my favorite so far. If you’re knocking enough enemies you’re regaining your armor incredibly fast, and the shield is the most useful aspect of the loadout. Being able to sit in front of my brother while he peppers the enemy, then obliterating anything that tries to touch him has been incredibly effective for my squad. The survivability of the bulwark is unmatched
As one that play bulwark as my first char in operation. It should easily be A or S tier, youre basically invincible with that shield and a weapon with fencing. The only weakness he would have is against zoanthropes and neurothropes. Especially if luck doesn't want to give you krak grenades
Bulwark in B tier is criminal, yea dude doesn’t have range, but that shield wielding beast just doesn’t die, if you build him right the health regeneration can be the best in the game
So glad u mentioned the jump pack not activating sometimes. I have died so many times in groups of enemies from the pack not working when I press the jump key. I've also had several times where it only puts me like a foot off the ground or where someone's melee attack brings me down from the air during my ground slame charge....it needs fixing badly for such a vulnerable class
I'm surprised the Sniper perks weren't talked about in more detail, since they have some amazing stuff. You forgot to mention that they, like Vanguard, have a perk that revives them but also makes them invisible for a few seconds on a 180 sec cooldown. They also have a team perk that restores 10% ult per headshot kill, another perk that gives you 5% ult on headshot kill for yourself, and a perk that increases ammo reserves by 10%. I'd put it at S-tier if we're assuming that all the classes are being played optimally.
Bulwark should be much higher, the team support he gives is amazing and he has that sheild which blocks most attacks, which is great for protecting your brothers and closing distance.
Very powerful in the right hands.
Bulwark Main here. It's not the best in terms of damage, but as the game suggests it works more as a support class. You can soak ranged damage like no tomorrow, get dangerous in close range and if you are smart, you can take out extremis and tyrannis targets with absolute ease. The Plasma Pistol is by far the best secondary, though you will eat through ammo. The Bulwark though is great at keeping your brothers alive. That banner is nothing to snuff at, not to mention the passives you can bring to your team. Bulwark definitely works best (IMO) playing with a Heavy, Tactical and/or a Vanguard. It does take some getting used to I must admit.
I love the Heavy Boltor on Heavy, but it's so painful to use until it gets to purple rarity. Takes so much amo to kill anything bigger than a gaunt.
Man this game looks so badass, my friends are kinda into WH but I know nothing. I'll be getting it when it comes out, and probably main Vanguard. Seems the one that fits me best.
Bulwark is easy A tier for me. Others have already pointed out how much of a boost a fully upgraded Bulwark can be to a team, but they're actually pretty solid in their own right. The Plasma Pistol is a really good gun and gives you a pretty hard-hitting ranged weapon that's good against all enemies (especially once charged it does great damage vs individual enemies or small groups w/ splash) and you can block damage with your shield - which really protects you from many ranged enemies quite well as you close the distance - plus the power sword I'd say is also stronger than the Chainsword by a solid margin. It's been my go-to for PVE over the other classes, with tactical a close second.
I loved how assault played and the damage, but hate the cooldown on flight, no shield, and being open to range everytime I went in. Health was a issue at times, but at the same time could be a skill issue since the game just came out. I played 4 games and Bulwark, and heavy/tactical were in every game 🤷
a couple things with the tactical, there were a couple perks that I think you missed. One is the perk that reloads your weapon whenever you get a finisher. Pretty much never need to reload making the Melta essentially a Multi-Melta. There is also the perk that gives you 25% bonus ranged damage whenever you get a gun strike, which is really easy to get. This makes the Tactical an absolute powerhouse with ranged weapons, especially with the Melta
Melee characters should be keeping Krak grenades handy for Zoanthropes and Neurothropes, a few of those will send them to the ground for a good pummeling. Also, Melee classes should use fencing weapons, as they make it EXTREMELY easy to get Parries off, whereas balanced has a much tighter parry window and block weapons CANNOT parry, period.
It always seems like a tactical marine is the basic newb unit. However in lore it’s actually the very experienced warriors that become a tactical marine because they know tons of different strategies for the ever changing flow of battle and terrain, also knowing how to use a vast variety of weapons.
When an initiate passes the trials to become a space marine they are first put in the scout company to observe and learn from a distance and relative safety. Then they get elevated to a devastator (heavy) squad where they use heavy weapons to mow down enemies. Then to assault squads to learn close combat tactics. Finally if they survive all that they get elevated to a tactical marine.
very cool! thanks for sharing!
Heavy with multi-melta is cheff’s kiss. 😙 👌
Idk who to play switching between Assault Bulwark and Vanguard but now wanna try tactical. They all look good
As an assualt marine i can confirm armor and health drain like balloon with a hole in it one thing if found is using melee weapons that have a fencing focus. Fenecing focus on melee weapons let you parry more often and also melle weapons that have high speed also help swing more, parry more and none shall defy you.
Problem is Melta weapons are simply too good atm. Multi Melta on Heavy is a THE choice. Bolt based ammo needs serious help. That said, Plasma Pistol is WAY more effective at dealing with Zoanthropes. With the Bulwark it’s just the go to for elites.
I still have my Dark Angels army. And in this game you already know I have to fight for my Primarch. Which is why I chose Bulwark as my main. For the Lion, for the Emperor.
My order base I like
1. Assault
2. Vanguard
3. Sniper
4. Bulwark
5. Tact
6. Heavy
*I want to main bulwark since it's the closest to a healer for the squad but the shield makes it super hard to parry and mess me up with elites compare to the other classes
I am a Raven Guard. Because my friend who loves 40k said I'm a Raven Guard. So I was the most excited by Assault. But then the jump pack disappointed me in coop. So I switched to Sniper. And I love it.