Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor in 2021 | Is It As GOOD As We Remember?
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0:00 - Intro
2:03 - Miscellaneous points
4:20 - Narrative
8:13 - Open World/Exploration
9:37 - General Mission Structure
11:06 - Nemesis System
12:47 - Combat
14:54 - Stealth
16:13 - Soundtrack
16:27 - DLC
18:12 - Is It As Good As We Remember?
19:54 - Outro
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It does not bother you more than it should. I hate it with passion when game has prerendered cutscenes that switch to default outfit. As if the devs are slapping you in the face, especially in modern games. The sequel did that too and it had multiple armor sets instead of just few optional outfits. I'm taking in-engine cutscenes any day.
Oh please you've already turned AC into a joke of a fan base full of misinformation and an ever changing narrative that has lead us to have Odin the all farther to be a woman in cannon even when it make no sence and unity of all good awful games is now good in you're eyes while origins is bad!
Please for gods sake I'm begging you, just leave my middle earth games alone..... PLESE.
Sick dude, thanks.
Fun fact- The lead writer and designer for the Nemesis system was John Gonzales. (if he wasn't the lead he was surely heavily involved). He also wrote the story of Horizon Zero Dawn(he's left now) and Fallout New Vegas. He really is an unsung hero in the industry.
very interesting stuff, what a guy
No wonder I cherish the hell out of both Shadow of Mordor and Fallout New Vegas!
no wonder i love Shadow of Mordor and Horizon, can't wait to see his next project
horizon is one of the best science fiction stories ever created, of any medium too, not just games ..
Thank you for the knowledge
The nemesis system is actually amazing. I remember from the very start of the game this one warchief killed me which basically started a rivalry between me and him throughout game. It was this constant back and fourth between me killing him and vice versa. Eventually I got good at the game and he never managed to kill me again and he'd always come back with more and more scars and bandages around his face seeking his revenge. The best part about this rivalry was when he showed up at the Final battle in the story and I had to fight him one last time. Everything came full circle
That's fucking awesome! You pretty much created your own story there.
did he show up at the start of shadow of war?
I’m too good to get a true nemesis
@@gene6794 that is the point of the nemesis system.
@@brightestlight9462 My nemesis from Shadow of Mordor showed up in Shadow of War and he was a defender that had vault breaker, frost proof, arrow proof and vigilant against stealth. Took me a dozen or more times to kill him in the arena mission.
“It would have been as good as you remembered if we had obtained the Palantir and my ring, James!”
- Celebrimoir the totally-trustworthy, probably.
Preston - settlements + Palantir = Celebrimoir .
Heh and to think Tolkien actually tried to make Celebrimbor into better person in contrast to his Feanorian family heritage hehe, and here in this game Celebrimbor almost becomes Feanor 0.2 :).
""In that time Celebrimbor the son of Curufin repudiated the deeds of his father, and remained in Nargothrond..."
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"Now Celebrimbor was not corrupted in heart or faith, but had accepted Sauron as what he posed to be; and when at length he discovered the existence of the One Ring he revolted against Sauron, and went to Lórinand to take counsel once more with Galadriel."
but jokes aside, they at Monolith really did not have licensign rights to use any of the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales stuff still they were quite a bit contradictory to established lore, timeline of events etc.
he was . . . until he litterally became a second sauron when he made the new ring
@@fantasywind3923 how did they make this game if they didn't have the license? They would have been sued immediately if they didn't
@@Ronnie-mx1wu read with understanding please, I said they didn't have the license to use The Silmarillion stuff (or Unfinished Tales or any other work of Tolkien), they had the normal license that is held by WB in regards to making Lotr related video games license for both movie and book rights to use The Hobbit and Lotr (hence the Shadow of Mordor use of movie aesthetic). Warner Bros took over the license for making Lotr video games after EA lost it.
I've recently started playing it again and its great it's like assassin's creed meets lord of the rings
If say it’s more like the Arkham games x LoTR
@@moosejuice4231 id say it’s a cross between the three
@@dyltube6395 I thought the same thing when i played the Game in 2014
@Steveo1131 these days it feels like AC games are stealing from the Shadow duology, Settlement raids, lieutenants, alliances and whatnot, Ubisoft is basically making it's own inferior version of the nemesis system.
@@dyltube6395 I still don’t see it tbh
The sequel is better when it comes to fighting and the nemesis system but in my opinion the design of the Uruk’s in the first game looked better and more monstrous in the first game then they did in the second.
Im like 50 percent finished shadow of war but I like the map from shadow of Mordor better but I agree with everything you said aswell.
The orcs in the second game do look like disappointed Grand Dads
Sauron was perfecting his army?
@@AntonsVoice No I think it was just a design change because at some points in the game you meet you most loyal follower and greatest nemesis and sometimes they look like what they did in the first game but other times they look so different you have to look at there name to figure out it’s them.
@@CaptPierce Pretty sure it's less a design choice and more the fact they made the second game on their own engine. Which is why everything looks different.
I personally really enjoy shadow of war and is an improvement of the first. I understand people being turned off with the microtransactions of the second game. But they have now been completely removed which makes the experience all the better in my opinion. Both games are amazing overall!
Shadow of War was the first game I ever platinumed. It's great.
They removed all the microtransactions
In my opinion SoW is better than SoM
You literally become a Nazgul and can kill a whole lot of Captains and Warchiefs flying on a drake, which is definitely a fellbeast.
I don't understand how anyone can not love these games!!
@@abnercliff9624 Yes, they did. The original poster included this in his comment...
This game holds a real special place in my heart I actually bought it after watching your funtage of it in 2016. After that I spent countless hours sucked into this game whether it was trying to kill a nemesis that just kept coming back or reading the ridiculously funny names of the orcs to my friends in an Xbox party this game was a blast and this vid was a great reminder of that, Great vid mate.
I feel like the Nemesis system would be ideal for a superhero game. Imagine, an open-world city where you create your own custom superhero, with a unique costume and powers, and the game produces a variety of randomly-generated villains. The ones you defeat easily fade into the background, while the ones you have trouble with form your rogues gallery. And when you get truly insurmountable foes, you can bring in other players with their own unique superheroes for an Avengers-style team-up. Kinda like a cross between Shadow of Mordor, Warframe, and City of Heroes.
Suicide Squad game and nemisis..lets go!!!
I’m pretty sure that they are developing a Wonder Woman game with the nemesis system
I’d love to see a gang war type game with the nemesis system. Playing as a detective or even an “Omar” style character
Dude ratbag was one of my favourite characters. I agree he's cheesy and comedic relief but I actually loved having him there to interact with. Seeing him again in the second one was amazing.
Shadow of Mordor was just fun, it never got old beheading orcs. I ended up getting the platinum for it, which I don't think is too difficult, but it was just so enjoyable to play
It is fun but it sadly does get old it starts to get kind of repetitive but shadow of war is pretty unique and more active
@@kevyn3279 I never played Shadow of War because of the microtransactions, but from what I heard it was a massive grind and rather dull. So I'm curious as to what was unique about it, again seeing as I didn't play it?
@@SuperDoctor9 The nemesis system in SoW is massively expanded, and orcs are way more dynamic. It also has better combat, in my opinion. I think it's not really worth 100% completing, since there is so much content, but I do think it is an improvement on SoM.
@@necnec2668 That's fair enough, everyone seems to agree that the orcs are the best part. I might have to check it out then
@@SuperDoctor9 The microtransactions have also been _completely_ gutted from the game. They're no longer even an option.
Lowkey so glad to see people still remember this game and love it just as much as I did.
Great video man, keep up the good work.
Glad to have you back making content James, hope you’re doing well and aren’t pushing yourself too hard.
The fact that you found this game better now than it was before might just be indicating something about the quality of recent games coming out that we are playing nowadays.
Time is the best and final judge
This.
@Bzake LOL, that's funny.
@Bzake no
Good point. No one is creative anymore. Not in games, or movies. Like everyone is too scared to make something new
If this video does well, I politely ask for a shadow of war vid as well please.
For sure, if there’s a clear want for that video, I’ll definitely be jumping back into it and seeing how my feelings have changed
@@LazerzZ Looking forward to it. IMO, the narrative of Shadow of War is shit, but the expanded Nemesis system just opens up a lot of possibilities and crazy scenarios
@@LazerzZ be warned. Its a long game and has a great endgame.
To be honest, I liked the sequel a lot more. There was simply more gameplay. It made the first game feel like a demo. At least that's how I remember feeling when playing the second game.
Good video. I bought this game years ago but never played it. Definitely have much more motivation to play it now.
I'd definitely like to see you go over Shadow of War. I understand that it "has its way" with universe lore, but taken as its own thing, I really love it. I still go back into my original SoW save on Xbox and dick around eith the system. I'm also partway through a playthrough on whatever the hardest difficulty is called, probably Gravewalker.
That being said, I get why you'd dislike it then. What with the singleplayer microtransactions that were present at the time (they've been removed for those unfamiliar), the shadow wars grind (I didn't find it that bad), and any personal misgivings you may have had. SoW has comedic moments as well, and I liked them - but I don't know if your opinion on them would change between SoM and SoW.
Story wise, I really vibed with the family stuff in SoM and the ending scene of SoW was emotional for me. (Fucking love the song that plays too, omgs.) I realize that wasn't the brunt of the story in SoW, but it was my personal biggest take-away.
I also liked the twist - you know the one, I won't spoil for people that haven't played. And the post-twist gameplay mechanics (an ability that I believe is added to the last of the story "tree") are badass.
Just my two cents.
Yeah, I remember too when Shelob and Sauron were in a relationship and are exes...
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 Funnily enough, I was continuing the playthrough I mentioned around the time you commented and I collected a Shelob memory - one about that in particular.
Gotta love it /s
@@TimelessTransience Man, that shit is so bloody terrible. It's an insult to both characters.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 Yeah. I don't get why they thought that was necessary.
Like, I understand human-form-Shelob from the point of view of view that it adds a face to the character and the utility that brings. _I don't think anybody would've wanted the potential animation-atrocity that would be a talking arachnid._ It doesn't mean we need her sex life. (Uhhh, *beastiality.* )
@@TimelessTransience Also, Sauron has no need of petty attachments. He doesn't care about love or lust. He just wants everyone to suffer and serve him to dominate all of Middle Earth.
Imagine a Deathstroke game with the nemesis system
I mean Warner Bros patented it so they better put it to use if nobody else can!
Imagine an MMO with the nemesis system.
I hope this video on the main channel means that james is finally feeling better and able to get working again
I bought this game on a whim in 2017 having never heard of it. I was honestly kind of blown away by it and got sucked into it pretty quickly. The feel of the game is very dark and the orc designs are so good and creative. I agree that the nemesis system is definitely the star here. That paired with the all the different creative orc designs made it really memorable
This should be a series
I bought this game in 2016 on steam and tried it a few times through out the years but finally getting around to really playing it. Pretty fun game.
This was definitely one of my favourite games ever! I just loved the whole combat focused gameplay and the Dark atmosphere!
It breaks 90% of the lore yet I love it
Basically 😂
Great content as always ;)
a week ago I started playing Shadow of War again and still to this day it is one of my favorite open world games and I want another like it. I prefer Shadow of War of Shadow of Mordor because it's more fleshed out and I just like the whole conquering fortresses thing
Shadow of War is one of my most favorite games ever.
I always felt Shadow of Mordor was so good, but it just felt... unfinished I guess. Like a "demo" for what could be more. Well War is just that!
I Platinumed both games and even continued to play them after the Plat.
@@ink4852 exactly how I felt bro. Mordor didnt feel finished but War did
We've just recently played (and finished) this game on our channel, and I'll admit, it wasn't as good as the sequel.
But it had some charms of its own. While its nemesis system felt, at the time of its release, unique and innovative. At least, that was what I thought of it. Every Captain remembers you, whether you died by their hands or you ran away, it felt like you were playing an active role throughout Mordor.
The combat system felt the same as the Arkham series, with its own spin when it came to the Captains where you had to change your fighting style and tactics every now and again.
SPOILERS FOR THE STORY:
Although the story did felt a bit inconclusive, as it felt like Shadow of Mordor was just an origin story to Talion and a non-disruptive fanfic story for Celebrimbor. However, it did define Talion's motivation throughout the story, with Celebrimbor appealing to Talion's sense of duty above his want to die and hopefully reunite with his family.
Overall, it felt like a really good first game that set the stage wonderfully for its sequel.
What is really lore breaking about the story of the game is that it tries to portray in flashbacks how Celebrimbor worked on the One Ring, stole it and waged his own mini war against Sauron within Mordor, that in itself is directly contradicting events in the Tolkien lore so indeed it is a big fanfic, but the most surprising is how detached from the known world and lore it feels, Talion is supposedly Gondorian and yet we do not see many connections either in his way of thinking, other things like reviving from death is sort of clashing with the more metaphysical aspects of Tolkien's world, though the idea of a spirit possessing a corpse or living is part of Tolkien more obscure writings. As far as the story of the game goes it is rather weak, as in the end the story was secondary, the game was made with the nemesis system in mind and the rest was an afterthought.
On it's own it's enjoyable game, but as a sort of 'adaptation' of the Tolkien world, setting and stories it's poorly made and often seems more like something that tries to create movie continuity (except the movies never even mention Celebrimbor who is talked about in books). I for one would like one day to get a proper openworld single player RPG set in Middle-earth, a game in style of Witcher 3, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Gothic or even using GTA/Red Dead Redemption 2 style, buteven using Assassin's Creed formula would be great if the games were bigger more in depth, detailed and more about exploration of the setting, characters and good story using the world and it's lore to full potential, even modelling on later AC titles like AC Black Flag, mixed wiht AC Odyssey at least just for the feature of naval combat so we could have sea battles with ships of Corsairs of Umbar and Haradirm vessels and sailing in open world or a bit of AC Origins, in bigger detail recreating the lands of Middle-earth it's people and great cities, with PC's to talk to and interact with intriguing characters etc. or as in RDR2 having realism and bigger level of interactive world, and various vehicles to use like horse drawn carraiges, coaches, boats, various horses and steeds and so on, exploring secrets doing quests in more classical RPG manner. Such a game would massive hit no doubt!
@@fantasywind3923 Yeah a proper RPG set in middle earth would be great. I'm hoping with Amazon making the Silmarillion TV show they'll have the rights to that part of middle earths history and Amazon game studios will make a decent RPG game. Although I am skeptical about Amazon game studios turning out like WB and EA when I would like it to be like Larian who I think would do an awesome job.
@@jamesking7946 yeha I hope so to, but I wouldn't count on Amazon in terms of video games, they already cancelled the new announced MMO Lotr game, heh Amazon's game division is total failure it seems. I would love one day to see a huge open world RPG that would become as popular and amazing as Witcher 3 was, or even better, but as long as the license is in the wrong hands we can't expect that, unfortunately WB which no hold the license to Lotr video games is even worse than EA it seems they don't do much with the license. Well we'll see, Daedalic Entertainment will make that stealth game Lotr:Gollum then we'll see if there will be more projects.
I must say, I have missed these types of analysis videos that have a focused topic and are not too long to watch, among all the recent streaming activity you've been doing recently.
I've been giving this game a casual glance for something like the last 5 years, soon after I got into gaming. I may need to check it out.
i love it when orc scream "GRAVEWALKER" at Talion(me) make me feel special or something lol
and then it echoes in the background. They also do this thing/taunt with their arms where they put there arms back and chest forward.
Wow now I wanna revisit shadow of mordor... far from perfect but still something I remember enjoying a lot. I guess it’s cool we are going back to middle earth in the Gollum game whenever that releases
I still play Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War occasionally and IMO they are pretty solid games
And I honestly hope they do another game one day I’ll definitely play it if they do
I started a year and a half ago, and i still find myself coming back. Ive got a fortress ive to take, and a nemeisis i remember
Just recently played and platted it last night on Playstation.. I enjoyed it.. i even got all the trophies for both dlcs :)
You had me at best sword combat
This is going to be a class video to put on after I get in from work tonight. Its been a couple of years since I replayed this (I think it was still on gamepass last time I played) and it was like slipping into a comfortable pair of shoes, the combat is arkham a combat system I absolutely adore and have poured years of my life into across every game, you add the nemesis system (a system I want to see more of within WB in something like Gotham knights) into that and you get a game I'd never get tired of whether it's choosing to be stealthy and clever or a dumb fuck charging in swinging his blade and decimating every challenger that comes my way. I love this game far more than I do it's sequel shadow of war, a game which gameplay wise felt a bit lesser to me personally I never felt challenged unless I actively chose to limit myself (which is in itself a fun wee challenge to pass the time) I really hope you're not going to piss all over the game 😂😂😂😂 but honestly from my personal opinion on this game I really don't see how you could, is it perfect? No of course not but it's absolutely brilliant.
I did not mean to type a mini essay but I do that when I'm passionate about something, usually ends up coming across as me spouting random useless bullshit though I tend to repeat myself a lot when I go on and on
I just got back into gaming and found this game. It’s fantastic!
I just started the lord of the rings films can’t wait to play this!
I still enjoy this and shadow of war to this day
2:47 I think that's the only continuity the game and it's sequel abide by. The physical fire eye of Sauron was a movie exclusive thing and Gollum is straight up borrowed from his movie design. There are subtle characters and references from specifically the movie only material but I think you get my point.
Before i could get a ps4, i played the ps3 version of this FOR YEARS! Was still a good experience Still play both this and its sequel today, making new accounts for new save files.
playing war one thing I loved about mordor was when you promoted a war cheif they geared the f up. which made sense better position better gear
I love this game so much
I love this game, everything about it!
I loved the combat, the way every Uruk can chase you across the map. Collect two Knights of Eregion to chain Shadow Strikes infinitely. It was a blast.
bro when you were talking about boss fights you didn't mention the great white graug, that fight was awesome
I remember my first time playing this. It was on my cousin's Xbox, I had never watched any lotr material or anything and he hadn't even promoted it to me. I just kind of picked it up and was like wow this is cool. This just came as a complete shock.
I actually loved Lord of the Hunt dlc, sure you’re only in Nurn map but it’s so cool fighting the beast master warchiefs like GRAUG RIDER and GHUL KEEPER, I would recommend it.
First time viewer - Excellent video - reminded me of what I loved about this game! As for the Nemesis system - I very much hope that WB re-introduce it within Gotham Knights or The Suicide Squad (Most likely Gotham Knights as WB Montreal are involved directly with it).
Using the nemesis system with Gotham Gangsters running the streets and then the marquee characters like Riddler, Penguin, Joker as the ‘overlords’ could be brilliant!
i just finished replying it a weak ago, perfect timing
I played games for years, for me this game has the most satisfying combat system.
The second game was awesome, literally played that right through about 5 or 6 times.
I remember 1 specific orc in SoM that was my nemasis i even remember he´s name (Latbag the Raven) I dont know how many times he kicked my ass. He was a curse or poison master hunter with the humiliator skill so any last chanses i hade he just ignored and walked away from just 1 hit. The very moment when he later showed up in SoW´s arena battle he was just as op as in SoM being practicly immune to anything other then basic attacks and still having that damn humiliator skill. Thats the moment u realise how mutch u need to be able to adapt to a fight on the fly. Even to this day when i play SoW unless i have the full skill tree unlocked i always have 1 or 2 unspend points ready to be able to adapt to a fight if needed. That save from SoM is no longer on my PC so SoW no longer uses Latbag the Raven in the arena in a new save so it´s a steamroll everytime. But if u do have a SoM save on your PC that arena battle will probadly be among the hardest fights in the entire game. Especially if u dont know what´s coming as u are very unlikly to have more then 1 elemental effect unlocked if even that.
I had a poison master assassin called Latbag something, he got legendary in SOW and was infuriating to deal with at certain points.
Shadow of Mordor and War especially are in my top 10 of games last gen.
I loved this game and I loved Shadow of War that came out later. They're definitely worth playing.
That’s cool and all but did you feel like Batman?
Yes, love this game
for those who want to play it it is on sale on steam weary often
Quick assassins creed question in ac rogue Liam says that chevalier took care of the precursor box then later on haytham tasks shay to finding the box he says it may take you a life time. Did shay ever find the box? And if he did what did he do with it?
Just beat the game it's amazing looking to beat it 100% now
I love hunting orcs. Like the king Aragorn says “ let us hunt some orc”.
I’d almost forgot about this game, then I watched this video now it’s being downloaded onto my ps5 😃
00:18 HEY NOW! Second Son has aged really well, and still looks amazing! You leave my kid alone!
I more meant that it's not one of the greats, it's not really a bad game, it's just forgotten, it was fine 😅
About to grab this game up, I heard nothing but good reviews.
Shadow of War improved so much when they took microtransactions away. I feel that now it is a much better game
@Return to the Old World iup, you are lucky man. For me at least, the difference is gigantic. Also, 11 bucks! Nice :)
@Return to the Old World the microgramsactions were completely useless to begin with.
They didn't matter. The hate for them was completely overblown and fabricated.
Anybody else here after the Wonder Woman announcement? God that game is gonna be so sick😭😭
The black hand is trying to become Sauron by being possessed by Sauron's Spirit (Like Talion is possessed by Celebrimbor but too a much greater sense), this is why he is doing the sacrifices to bring Sauron's spirit back from the Wraith world. At least this is my scuffed explanation
Well that certainly makes sense
I beat this game 4x, I like it a lot
Would love to see a shadow of war version
Aye
At the start of this game I met a captain named Horza Corpse-Eater, I proceeded to kill him and forgot about him. He then came back so I did it again. Around 5 deaths later he stopped coming back. At the end of the game when your going to the final area I believe he was the one who appeared. He was my nemesis throughout the entire game
I'd like to throw a fun fact out there for LoTR
Tolkein encouraged others who liked his universe to make stories of their own that do and don't fit into his canon. He just wanted people to tell their stories. This is why his estate didn't have an issue when Montreal wanted to make a game outside the movies and books canon.
Giving a big point to the shadow games they made Sauron look way more intimidating. Broader, darker and the helmet redesign was a good choice.
Damn. On ur machine Shadow of Mordor looks and runs better than the sequel on my Xbox. Kinda makes me want to play the original now lol
Great game great replay value!!!
Played it on release in 2014, was memorable but not mind blowing. Just now platinumed shadow of war in one week and I'll be getting Mordor again
Not going to lie I like the music you use to do years ago can you do that
Haven't even watched this yet and I'm gonna say yes. Yes it is.
Yes
I just finished the game again a few days ago and now i got all the achievements. I don't know why but this time it felt amazing. I guess we're getting a lot of trash lately that almost every 5 years old or even older game feels incredible. This game was good back then, but now it's even better.
Loved Shadow of modor and shadow of war, shadow of war is the only game i can't delete from my console because it so fun
I'm watching this while I'm waiting for The Lord of the Rings Online to install on my new laptop.
Fitting, really.
Me and my brother is playing, I'm a huge fan of shadow of war.
Som is great for it's time, replayed it recently and I'm having fun, yes it has flaw but the writing is great the combat smooth hella fun, don't forget building orc army
I still play these games
This game was awesome the first time i played it. Admittedly i tried again recently and it wasn't as good as it was but it was definitely good the first time
The nemesis system has to be my favourite mechanic in any game ever
From what I can gather, the sequel bait at the end was supposed to introduce Saurman who whispered to you throughout the game, but by the time War entered production, they couldn't get the rights to the likeness(?) so it had to be dropped?
I think a final boss that worked like Dr. Freeze in Arkham City would've been really nice.
I 100%Shadow of war and i do not regret it. 70+ Hours to 100%
Yeah i remember this game back in the day, those days i had no money nor a good PC, soo i just cracked the game online and played on a crapy laptop, and i loved it, a lot. I was very excited for the Shadow of War.... Than i got it and after 2 years of having it in my steam library, i have only 5hours played :)
I have no knowledge about LOTR btw, i only played the game back in the day because it was one of the releases that was displayed on the website where i cracked it.
Please visit Shadow of War again. At least from a gameplay perspective its just a much better and smoother game than Shadow of Mordor. The story is okay but fun all the time imo. I really liked the game because I played it after they took the horrible microtransactions out of the game (or made them so unimportant that I didn't realise they are there).
Really good video mate!
I have a few words yes
LAZAZZ
It's series must b continue, I don't think any game could match up with such counter moves in this game.
Huh. This video was uploaded the day after i finished another playthrough of this game. How coincidental
Fingers crossed there's a number 3.
It is still awesome. I'm hoping that we can get other games from the IP
Can confirm it is.
Perhaps a Nemesis system LoTR games side along the new Amazon series in the works?...