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Of course coros will upgrade, but this model will still be available. Just like you can still buy some Fenix 7. And since the two main selling point of an apex 2 pro is that 1) it will be plenty enough to support trail running including 100 miler 2) it's affordability - when they do bring up the newer model and this one becomes even more affordable... well the value proposition just increased.

Congratulations!!!! I remember the course for rocky racoon when you are at about miles 16 (or I don't know, but between 3rd aid station and start/finish) every lap, and you're on the other side of the lake. It felt so close yet so far...!

@runningwithsimon the last 6 miles were so confusing I agree especially in the dark!

@runningwithsimon thank you Simon ❤️❤️❤️❤️

I don't know anyone who's bought an Enduro that was disappointed. Comes down to budget too.

We all have different level at which we are in zone 2 - which is why it's more practical to talk about this than about pace itself. But with training that certainly evolves too

@ so you recommend just running at a easy pace until your heart inevitably adjusts? Thanks for the reply👍

@@JCBMG For your zone 2 run, yes. But you should also have higher intensity session such as intervals, tempo and threshold runs

haha exactly. I had to explain at work several time what type 2 and type 3 fun is. And their conclusion was "well, so,...not fun"

That's the one I use too - glad you like it!

Feel free to actually watch the video if you are looking for advice... ruclips.net/user/shortsbU8XDDuDaVg

OK that's actually really smart - I feel dumb not that have considered that...

7:25 does summarize the essentials lol Good luck at Antelope! Watch out for the sand...!

I think it’s safe to say that “love was in the air” at 7:25 😂 Thank you. Looking forward to that race but not the sand.

For sure, I'd feel much safer! I guess practical/technical limitation is the issue with

But what about cloning?!

Thanks! I'm glad she's back at it too :) I think a lot of people like the enduro for garmin - i'd be curious to try it someday. It's hard for me to justify a $1000 price however for a watch

Thanks - what a year :)

We'll also try to include a pacer joke inside. Just like the bazooka gums

Oh that's helpful - I'll have to try and figure that one out. I suppose it relies on having connectivity to your phone?

@ yes I believe so. In the Coros app -> Profile -> Safety alerts. The message sent when you start an activity has a link to the live track I believe.

I've never tried the Pace Pro and probably should. I did try the Pace 3 - which obviously that's different - and that watch was very much entry level, and much more for road running. You didn't have map navigation (you could navigate using a GPX so turn by turn, but no map). On the plus side, very small, very light, and very affordable. I gave one to my mom because she's exclusively a road runner where navigation is not really important. Of coruse that doesn't apply to the Pace pro, but wonder if it's geared more toward training and road?

@ I have the pace pro 3 and my favorite features are the battery life and the weight makes it pretty much unnoticeable. I’ve experienced a few issues with navigating on trails as well. Hindsight I should of spent a few more dollars and purchased the Apex 2 pro, but now that the Pace pro is available and its battery life is on par with apex 2 pro with fastest processing chip and all the same navigation as the apex 2 pro it has me rethinking my next purchase… Hey Coros please send me the two watches and and Simon the Pace Pro so we can do a review over the products!! Haha never hurts to try. Last thing I just want to say thanks for all the inspiring and insightful content you share and good luck with your upcoming races!

I think it's great!

I think it's great!

For $300?! Dang that's a bargain! Yup I'm happy with mine too. I rarely ever need that much battery, but it feels good to never have to worry

Hey Simon & Nora! Perfect timing for that review! I saw your Vertix 2S video and wondered if you maybe had one for the Apex 2 Pro and here it is, released only 2 days ago. First off, I think you're absolutely on the right track with these reviews, you put things into context and give us your experience and what actually matters in practise. You're 100% correct when you're talking about accuracy of the watch vs. the actual length of the trail, and talking along the lines of "what does a .01 or .02 miles matter eventually" between watches? There will always be some discrepancies, and other reviewers get so much into testing and tiny details that rarely matter for your average user (but as someone who's wondering about what to buy, it's still so easy to fall into the thinking that you're getting something that's "less this or less that" and compares unfavourably to something else). In the end, those reviews leave you with a ton of information but you're no closer to realising how it matters to an average person. Your way is perfect, it's the way reviews are supposed to be: Your experience with it, what do you do, what do you use it for, and what are your feelings on its performance (not just dry data, but your actual feelings on using it). I think you just convinced me that the Apex 2 Pro will be fine for me, in the end the Vertix 2s is a similar watch but the main difference is the insane battery life. As you say, for someone who's never had a GPS watch and is not running 200m (I do more hiking and trail navigating plus some fitness training), the Apex 2 Pro will be quite enough for me. Thanks to you both!

Thanks - it was such a great adventure! I'll be back in the area-ish for Swiss 380k next year! Very excited about it!

Old school / Vintage Simon videos :P The full (stupid) story behind this one was that for Javelina a few months before that, I wanted to dress up as luigi (which I did) but I wanted the racoon costume / power up (or I guess Tanuki). So I ordered the ear and tail, but it came too late and was bummed I didn't get to race with it. It doesn't take much haha

@ well I’m glad you still got use of it. Made a great, silly and funny video. I had a question about the unicorns 🦄 that came out on the badger challenge 100 video. They never came back ☹️

@@UntalLaurencio haha yes, that's old school charlie the unicorn! I remember when it came out - these were wild time online! The numa numa and harry potter puppet era!...good days!

@@UntalLaurencio Actually since we're in early 2000 viral sensation, one that was from my homestown montreal is "everyday normal guy" ruclips.net/video/5PsnxDQvQpw/видео.html

Thanks - I'll keep that in mind. Just curious - have you run this course? All the hard climb are within the last 60 miles.

Thanks - yes quality is much better! And totally, Reunion island was a dream race for me and such a let down. I'm usually positive, but also I try to be transparent and honest. Sadly, it felt like a race that lost its charm. Still a cool island and cool landscape but not a race I'll do again.

It was a great year!

On average yes, for the past 3+ years. Although sometimes it's a few more races than every month. A lot of it is about managing effort and limiting damage during the race - I don't exactly go 100% effort (it's the difference between for example running a PR for a marathon vs. doing run/walk cycles). Then it's sleep, rest, active recovery, food, and being in tune with my body as to when it's time to get back to it vs. more rest. I've arguably been very successful at staying relatively injury free despite some fairly gruesome races. Made a video about recovery process. Every time is slightly different / longer or shorter, and this time in particular was a fast turn around. But same concept. ruclips.net/video/DUHesbP5t0g/видео.htmlsi=c5OvoTjKOCPTtZcG

Black Canyon was my first 100k, but not this edition (2020 was my first, this was 2022). By 2022 I had about 10 x 100 milers and other ultra marathon. I did not use pole, would not think they would be so helpful for this course, and I'm not sure if they are allowed for black canyon given how big the race is and mostly on single track. Yes the finishing time was 12h 35m 05s

@@runningwithsimon Thank you and I commend you again for your amazing speed. What is the best marathon time in 2022?

@@tracywang2144 I really don't know. I don't typically try to PR marathon, and that's 3 years ago. My guess is about 3h25

During a run? You will never be able to literally eat more than you burn - so "eating too much" really just means that you can't do more (aka GI distress such as vomiting or diarrhea)

It gets easier with time and practice!

Then I guess dead weight would refer to all the corpses you leave in your wake

such a classic!

Yes, that's also what I would do (both at the same time), but I have no scientific reason. It just feels like the right thing to do.

@ ok thanks

I miss that old set up too... but eventually I had to build an indoor studio. People were complaining about noise (dog, cars, planes, etc.) but also, it made filming very inconvenient as I had to be available to film during the day, and weather had to be good (so basically, I could only film weekend if I was not racing - very limited)

which I did for an embarrassingly long three seconds

You should always have two poles when you run in the mountain!

Thanks - that's exactly what I go for. It's hard to not show your face at all, but whenever possible, I try to show the trail and landscape!

Thanks :)

Thanks! Are you planning to come back to Zion this year?

Good luck! Seems like a reasonable plan tbh! And yes, "only 8,500ft" for someone like me at sea level is kinda funny!

@ Haha, I run the Bolder/Boulder 10k for fun and one of the shirts this year says, “Sea Level is for Slackers” 🤣 And yeah, it’s a definitely an advantage living and training every day at 5,200ft. That being said, running at a higher altitude and for 50k at 50 years old is still going to be incredibly challenging and I’m half terrified and half really excited.

Are we talking about the 100k across all 3? The hardest course is Zion. Black Canyon is not that far off but weather is milder and the climbs aren't as bad. Both are very 'cool' course filled with adventure. Big loop for Zion and point to point for Black canyon makes it very special either way. The easiest course by far is Javelina, AND you have very generous cutoff for 100k (I believe 29 hours - it's based on the cutoff from 100 miles). The only real challenge is the heat...so I guess if you struggle with heat, that's something to remember. It gets hot at Zion and Black Canyon, but not nearly as hot. Javelina's loop format makes it also very practical if you have a crew. And you also know what to expect for your next lap. And the vibe is very special. That said, my favorite is Zion. Black Canyon close behind.

This is helpful. I've done Javelina 100m this past year and was considering BC100k or Zion 100 for a WSER qualifier in 2026. I'm not ready for a true mountain race but Zion looked maybe a little manageable based on the elevation and the finisher rate and the time allowed, esp as I want to work towards being able to finish WSER when I get in in a few years. Thanks for the reply!

@@alylipari9886 Oh ok so for the 100 miles it's a little different answer. Javelina is only 30 hours, which for the course is fine, but you'll feel the pressure a little more Black Canyon you need I think sub17. It's manageable and you'll make up good pace in the first 15-20 miles. I think if you did well at JJ100, you'll be fine. Zion's +6 hours compared to Javelina cutoff more than make up for the added challenge of the course imo. It's hard to compare but I think for me, ~23hrs at JJ100 translates to about 28hrs at Zion. I think it's a nice step up but very reasonable. If i had to suggest next step, I think that'd be a great one.

Thanks - it's been amazing, with a few bumps along the way but still crazy to think all this was only 1 year...! Thanks for following!

100% totally see how for the 100k it was just as annoying. I was trying my best to get out of the way before people arrived but I noticed myself too that not everyone was even getting out of the way. I remember even asking someone if I could pass and them basically saying "no"... Still a unique race but I fear they've gone a little too much into size and should maybe run the two events on separate dates

Thanks - yes I'm taking care of myself. I've learn from this year - I appreciate the concern

Thanks :) It's one of my favorite too actually

Thanks. I'm not sure how I would get that info, unless you mean for the full race and not by aid station. It's already very hard to track what I eat

@@runningwithsimon I was just meaning if the stats from your watch summarise that. Garmin ones often do depending on the activity.

Haha jokes aside, you guys are great! Our sense of humor and beer drinking was a good match when I lived in europe

haha you get your money worth!

Thanks - that's exactly my style and what I'm going for. I also try to lay off the over dramatization that many on social media are guilty of. "It changed my life" "I almost died" , etc. I understand being emotional but I feel sometimes people exaggerate a tiny bitsy for the views....

I really don't know. There's so much sand that it gets through the mesh itself. Taking time to empty the sand at aid station is worth it, but I don't have great solution on the one unfortunately. Are you racing this year?

@ yes! 50 miler this year…love your channel- appreciate all the content and inspiration!!