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I will say, perfect attack is absolutely cracked. But Nappa also has a move that’s a reversal and a mixup tool: His little friends… obvi the situation is totally different. But he’s literally the only character with a way to force combo drops. Worst yet because of their insane hitstun, that situation often turns into a combo, that goes into extremely cheap mix. You can counter play Cell a bit with some patience. But Nappa makes patience an instantly losing strategy. Cell is definitely easier to play. But that doesn’t make him any more brainless. Nappa genuinely feels like cheating and I refuse to put any more time into him.

I have no expectations this coming patch will get me back into my golden age of loving dbfz. The patch last year actually ruined me. Basically none of the changes were positive. I admit, it seems like it improved the health of the game over all. More people having fun. But it was so full of awful ideas and lazy changes.

Ik this is an older video but no matter what I do my shout beam is never close enough to the ground where I can link into the 5l, 5m.

That move has become my nightmare. Why is that move the answer to everything ? I may be trying to mix bro and he would just perfect attack and get me. I do a bait jump, he perfect attacks and gets out of my hard earned pressure. Unlike dps where the is a clear endlag, his ex perfect attack doesn't. WHY?! I need help guys

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gr8 vid bro

Hey man this might be too niche to put time into but can you make a ssj4 and Gotenks synergy video? I think there’s a lot of synergy there that people haven’t even bothered to figure out and i think they might be good together, such as ssj4 with gotenks A assist and medium lariat setting up oki. Thanks for hearing me out

How do you feel about videl and gotenks? Ive been messing around with them but videl likes to use smash early and gotenks likes to avoid smash. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!

GGs we just played, sorry I’m really rusty and playing a new team LMAO (I was RIP Toriyama)

Hey Illa, like always: super accurate content! 👍Whiffed beam into superdash-cancel should also be removed! If you whiff a beam property projectile, you should be punishable in my opinion. You should be stuck in the whiff animation, and you should not be able to cancel it into superdash at any given time.

All my homies hate Roshi.

10:26-10:36 I am about to have some serious raging demon flashbacks after seeing this 😂😂😂

Ok seriously how tf 1 is SSJ4 Gogeta’s Projectile Inv, Medium Scaling, near Full screen, Safe lariat still in the game 2 did Hit get the meter nerf even though he has NEGATIVE METER GAIN ESPECIALLY mid screen 3 did cell Ex perfect attack get Frame 2 Invincibility, Blue Vegeta get guard point on a Command Grab, and GT GOKU nearly 3 seconds of invincibility 4 Roshi 22H 5 Beerus 2M being Projectile Inv and DP level 1 to level 3 or DP Level 3

Also I disagree with a Spirit bomb dealing as it does while being that fast with the old old I was fine with as it required specific characters or setups but now yeah that went out the window As for the Level 1 to Level 3 change I am certain they didn’t think that change though 1 because of the numerous characters that can ToD using raw Level 1 most Notably Baseku and 2 Some characters getting 50/50 of Level 1 to 3 most notably Ssj4 Gogeta because on the ground it Takes you to the corner

11:05 it's not about hit gaining too much meter. I think they just needed to nerf him without changing anything else about him.

Fix and or buff kid Buu. That's really all I want but extra for me would be buffing piccolos demon slicer to combo into and cooler death shaker to combo into easier along with heavy death breaker

I agree with 90% of what you said here! my specific ideas however: -Given how much different Roshi is compared to the rest of the cast, and him never breaking top 10 on tier lists, I honestly think we can ignore him - no nerfs to him necessary imo. 22H can remain the same -Nerf big lariats, reversals and other 'invincible' (ki blast immune, proj immune, guardpoint, etc) moves by giving them heftier damage scaling. I shouldn't see easy ToDs off of fullscreen moves or moves that phase through the opponents (non-aerial) attacks -Nerf damage and / or range on the old top tiers and give them more of their meter generation back. Heavily hurting our ability to build unique teams by making LC and Fusions build zero meter for their teammates was a lame nerf, why not just try to 'normalize' them through more fair button / special size, speed, and damage? -slow down some excessive outlier moves, like Super Baby 2 jS. His aerial ki blast is one of the fastest in the game startup, while controlling so much space. It was fine before. Similarly, we could remove the 'second ki blast in 5S comes back if you're crouching' mechanic and nothing of value would be lost. A character with outstanding zoning / screen control doesn't need scary blockstrings, outstanding meter gain, and massive damage. -Reduce cancel options / hitstun on certain moves, to bring back combo variety and tone down damage. Super Baby 2 should have far less damage or stun on his beam, so his optimal routes are no longer "236S as many times as possible in one combo, and you win!". Same thing with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue, whatever...) the absurd damage on Big Bang Attack, relatively fast startup, big physical hitbox wall, Special Cancel, AND SuperDash cancel on it means you can't get through a single combo or blockstring without seeing it. Its insufferable man! I'd vote we slightly slow down startup so it stops being blockstring filler, and we remove the special cancel so you can still use SD afterwards. This way you'll still see it once per standard BnB, and if the player chooses to for more damage, they use rejumps / meter / assists to set up using it again! Rather than just using it every two seconds before every special move and superdash. Make Blue Vegeta take brainpower again! -S Broly is still considered pretty weak, so I think we should lean into whats unique about him: he's one of only 3 characters with an 'install' / powerup super in the game, so why not make his more useful to incentivize using it, and its improved perks can move him up the tier list? Easy options like, 1. Change Eraser Blow from 1 hit of armor to 3 or 5. 2. Add one hit of armor to his 214X grabs, to make his mix scarier. 3. Make armor start up sooner on his 5H and let it beat lows / ki blasts A few more I couldn't recall... Its really late where I am, so I'll leave it be now lol. Hope someone reads all these and agrees or disagrees, and shares their ideas with a reply :)

Seeing videos like this make me realise how trash I am at dbfz

17 A needs to go and SD needs a nerf as well. So glad we are getting a new patch

Here are some of the balance changes i'd like to see. And some also addressing your points - system changes: +) you should not be allowed to call assists as long as you are being pressured. call me crazy but i rememeber back then you weren't allowed to do this either. Being able to call assist during pressure is just way too safe and it gives a lot of stocks to defensive assist in this game. +) revert all meter nerfs. This was the laziest way to try and balance the game, and more importantly it ruins the most fun aspect of the game: team building. Nowadays if you play with a meter nerfed character, not only the character itself, but the team will also suffer for it as well. The things characters with meter penalty have in common is that they're just way too good at utilizing meter, and for some characters (blue fusions) they were also really good at building it. So for these meter nerfed characters, make it so that the moves they get access to with meter aren't as powerful or give them proper downsides to deter it from being spammed. The characters who were good at building meter should also have their damage scailing increased so that they are still 3 touch characters, the difference now is that the value they bring isn't when you're playing them, it's what they can bring to the team down the line, like an assist character in an rpg. - character changes: +) barriers: i agree that 17 assist has way more utility than the other two, but i just think that's more because 17A is just busted. I can tell you personally nothing good can come from buffing defensive assists. 17A should be changed so that the barrier lasts much shorter and the blast comes out much faster, so that while it still has defensive properties, it becomes more offense heavy and you can't just rely on it to do both anymore. As for the other two, i like the idea of it going into another move when hit, it should go into a slow but strong tracking move to make it not too oppressive as a defensive assist, but also to incentivise using barrier fullscreen to cover yourself and take your turn. +) gt reverse kame, bluegeta ex grab: these two have the same issue so i'l just address them together. I think they should have the guardpoint property, but it definitely should not last so long to make it almost invulnerable to counter play. Both of these moves should only have guard points initially, giving them the ability to scare opponents off, but still making them vulnerable to counter play. However, it's not just these moves that i want to address, this game has a trend of making moves that has invulnerable status for so long that it makes it almost immune to counter play. One example is ssjku's tatsu which just has air invul all the way through, making it way too hard to punish and sometimes it can even beat moves like perfect attack. Imo every move with invulerable properties should only have it for a few initial frames. +) Yamcha and BaseKu's uniqueness: i always thought Yamcha's super unique but nothing ever came of it besides lvl1 into lvl3. If i were to buff it, the intial lvl1 should let him recover much sooner or give him much more plus frames so that he has access to more oki setup. This also allows you to combo into another lvl1 which the opponent will be able to tech out of instead of knockdowns after it's done. This means Yamcha basically has a lvl2 for dhc and in limit break he also has the ability to dump 5 meters. Baseku however, while the spirit bomb buff did fix the issue of limited team comp, it also made it so that you had access to a high damaging super at no cost. This problem could have easily been fixed if Baseku was given an alternate lvl3 (maybe meteor combination from the budoten games) that allowed him to dhc normally, this also would have allowed him to have access to lvl3 oki when on point and give him reversal supers. +) Hit meter nerf: as stated above, Hit is just too good with meter. His ex stance (cancel) and ex kick are some of the most notorious moves in the game. He should only have his meter gain back if his ex moves had more risk to them like ex kick being unsafe on block. +) Cell perfect attack: NO REVERSAL SHOULD LEAVE YOU IN A BENEFICIAL POSITION AFTER YOU USE IT. As it is now, there is literally 0 risk attached to the move. I don't even know how any competent game dev couldn't see this coming. You wanna know how to fix it? Literally just give it any risk associated with it, otherwise it shouldn't be a reversal at all.

Are they still working on the game ?

No worries! 🥰 Sparking Zero will obliterate this game into redundancy 😋😋

I also dislike that now every super comboes into Spirit Bomb

Those two attacks (in the thumbnail) break the rules of the game. You're supposed to be able to 2h any aerial physical attack.

I swear, it feels like DBFZ is about as serious about final patches as Terraria at this point.

Buff Base Goku 2m and make it so his only viable strat isn't spamming raw supers. I just want to enjoy playing my main again.

When yamcha is the only character left his supers should be super buffed in terms of damage, as for base goku i think itd be cool if they make it hard to combo into again, but make it do even more damage might be cool

Best wish list Ive seen so far! So glad to finally see someone request changes that are reasonable

I think everything you brought up was great tbh. One thing I wanna say though. Kid Buu Happy Birthday Planet Burst. Give it back. Kid Buu sucks rn. Idek how to buff him really, make his anti airs more consistent? Neither his 2H or grab are really good options. Maybe slightly buff the tracking on air 2S. His biggest issue is honestly how dumb the rest of the game is. He’s just not as consistent, cant really play his game anymore. Mix is dead. Just give me my birthday.

I don’t think Beerus DP should be like that, but mostly I think Beerus level 3 shouldn’t be like that. I’m a Beerus enjoyer too. If we’re shooting Beerus DP though, I only ask that we also shoot SSJ4 DP. 22 DP that you can call assists on, vanish out of, get mix on, build dragonballs (ik it isnt much but still). Break his knees. Give him the ssj treatment. I’m sick of him.

Roshi 22H just feels like SSJ4 DP to me. Not to say it isnt insane. Just wanna bring up SSJ4 DP. Break that red mfs kneecaps.

I have to disagree on barrier assist buffs bro we seen how broken 17A is matter a fact it needs to be nerfed

Honestly 17 A was a mistake and ruined the game for a lot of people and I don’t want to see any more 17 A like assists existing. Making yourself invincible after whiffing a full screen normal is not it

Hit was caught in the crossfire. LET MA BOI FREE!!! He did nothing wrong!!!!!!!

i'm so glad they're going to add another patch, because jesus this is the most grueling version of the game.

Buffin LABCOAT 21? Delete your channel.

Sparking SD wants to know your location

They gotta make wff flash and ex wff (if it isn’t already) ki blast invul. Maybe wff flash beam invul too!?!? And make hit 5s plus on block cause i said so

Revert to season 3.5 pre lc 21 and call it a day tbh

Wtf, no fucking way, another patch, im so happy

Yoo Who tf is this dude and what he do with illa. jk thats actually a very interesting thing with vanish. I think there might be something you can pull off realistically ingame. I assume just a few excecption like Jiren 2s and jamenbas 2h for example since they repel kiblasts

I’m a Zamasu maniac let me cook

Bearded Illa made me feel strange things. Shaved Illa makes me feel like a PDF file

Bro I should try out zamasu c it will open out new door for you

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Your videos are relaxing

I find myself baiting this move out of my opponents cuz its Cells main move. On hard knock downs I IAD throw a fake poke, block and use an assist, also on hard knock downs back up completely and call an assist. During block strings I call an assist and wait and if I lose my turn I'm happy to go back to neutral cuz I think Cells main neutral is just diagonal kamehameha. This has worked for me but like illa is saying baiting your opponent is your main tool here. Make them think everything is sweet and punish. I have lost may times to this move tho and a good cell player will abuse this move.