Grapplers are characters who excel in throwing. While every character is capable of a standard grab, Grapplers have access to some of the best Command Grabs in the game, with wide range, high damage, good oki, or a combination of the three. I think Broly fits under this definition. The reason grabs in fighterz is weaker then in most games is probably the possibility of getting a kill off of it. Hell characters can do that, but if they added 20-40% grabs that would make ToD's a lot more common Edit: Like someone said in the replies, android 16 is definitely a grappler as well. Like most of the big guy's move set are grabs. Ex: 236L-H, 214L-H, j.236L-H, j.214L-H, and his level 3.
They also forget that this game has assistance so having a powerful grip would be the most broken since even a simple grip can make you TOD in different circumstances.
I feel like the EX grab feels a little bit more like a normal command grab but I agree the light version is essentially a true throw while dragon rush is not a "throw" but more of a techable universal command grab.
I get what you're saying, but it still feels a little silly to say that the grab specialists in FighterZ aren't the game's "Grapplers" Great video, though! Love this game's weird and awesome relationship with pressure
something you didnt mention that i wish you did is the fact that Broly is so much "not a grappler" that he was the best zoner in the game at some point in time in the meta. His Ki Blasts are not only big and fast but are aimable. Although you csn superdash through them, Broly can just react and 2H your superdash. His 236S, while not being fast, countera any superdashes which also helped his zoning. Hell, his 214S, a move given to him to help him not get zoned, helped HIM zone. Broly is just such a weird grappler, like id go as far to say that baseku is a better definition for grappler than Broly.
On my main DBFZ team everyone has a throw. Super Baby 2 has a disgusting air grab and tick throw, Goku black has a full screen grab that can be comboed off of, and Z Broly well... He's Broly.
Fighterz is mostly built around versatility and how multiple characters have certain traits that benefit each other so It would make sense that Broly isn't a grappler because he needs this versatility otherwise he would be easy to play around. (By versatility i mean universal options. Superdash, Dragon Rush, Reflect, Overhead M, and technical stuff like knockdowns. The reason why he has these grabs is for versatility, thus why he doesnt seem like a grappler.(If you need a grappler to refer to, try android 16.) (To summarize for people who dont wanna read: Fighterz has so much versatility that grabs are mostly used as a blockstun extender.) [I would go on a rant but I would need a whole ass video to explain that]
Neat video, less so in that i agree with it because i don't really think an archetype working differently from usual in one game makes it not that archetype (though putting a dbfz zoner or grappler into any other game would probably make them not that archetype), more so because people don't often talk about how some games, including dbfz, just handle archetypes in a different way and this video is exactly that
You give very little attention to the fact you can combo off of heavy or medium throws and I feel like it kind of negates the point of the video, why do you not eat the grab? because Broly can extend and get full combo with a heavy version of the grab?
You can combo off of those but that doesn't really argue against anything in the video because M throw is reactable (longer startup, and that was the problem with dragon rush as the video explained) and H throw has the same startup as M but is also worth meter
I mean Z Broly is centered around grapples, and having meter to get more damage, when a Broly has meter he's even a bigger threat because the EX grab can be comboed into, and not to mention ARMOR
FighterZ in General is weird compared to other Fighting games: ToD's are pretty uncommon due to Damage Proration, and that does require a lot of Resources too. A character like an standard grappler on DBFZ just cannot work, as it basically becomes a ToD machine but it would be cursed with an Ass of an Neutral, due to how DBFZ is structured. Everyone has ranged options in one way or another, like Ki Blasts, long ranged moves, and even most assists, and the "Lariats" (+reflect-proof moves) There is Superdash, yeah, but everyone can beat Superdash with 2H (the generalized anti-air), or a well timed jump attack, which also leads into getting combo'd. This would also make it be very specific for team builds, because he would Definitively be locked to Anchor usage unless you want to die, and require great blockstun assists to approach so.
Ignoring the fact android 16 is really dbfz's grappler not broly (alot of his moves revolve around grabbing even his auto combo) by your logic is someone like haggar (the og grappler) in mvc3 not a grappler?
Never really thought of Z!Broly as the grappler architype. Actually he's more of a tank than he is a grappler, even if he has grabby moves. He can also zone with his neutral special attack. I think of Android #16 if anything as the grappler.
As someone who was introduced to fighting games through DBFZ, I actually hate how grabs are handled in most others. The idea that a character can win after landing the same move three times just feels so off to me, unless that is the point of the game. A game centered around having low health and needed to play with good spacing can excel with grapplers, but there's a good reason why they feel out of place is combo heavy games.
@@BlazeK9 Do you feel the need to put others down because no one loves you or is it that you are just not a good person. Either way, no one respects you. Also yeah, way too difficult lol.
Dbfz is a one archetype game. Rushdown. While every character plays mostly different. Everyone is still a variation of Rushdown. Master Roshi? Gimmick Rushdown. Broly DBS? Brutalist Rushdown. Android 16? Grappler Rushdown. Even cases with zoners aka Frieza. His zone sucks but the combos and mixup with him are wild.
It's a good point, I'd say it's weirdly presented to call the thesis of it "yeah these aren't grapplers", but hey, I understand you gotta put a hotter-sounding version of your take in the title to get views. Anyways, you make a good and interesting point about the strength of throws in these games.
Guys I think arguing about whether or not Broly is a "grappler" is missing the forest for the trees. The point is that he differs from traditional grapplers significantly, and that's interesting to talk about
I'd say another reason DBFZ's grapplers don't work like other grapplers is that the motion inputs for all characters are either a quarter circle forward or quarter circle back and making a command throw on it's own do the same damage as something like a SPD would be broken.
Everyone is talking about Android 16 this, Android 16 that. But why is no one talking about S Broly? That man has more command grabs out of anyone in the damn game, show some respect.
@@TETANUS. That's true. Frieza is not threatening until he goes Golden. That's when his damage skyrockets. Good thing you went against garbage players, I went through a lot of pain these past few weeks because of Frieza.
@@kaichu9446 17 frames is unreactable for this game when you account for stuff like human reaction and input delay. I’m just saying he made a grappler video on FighterZ without mentioning No. 16 once
There can be more than one grappler in a game. The most well known are S Broly and Z Broly, 16 is also a grappler but not many people use him simply because Grabbing is all he has, on top of that his grabs are slow.
Grapplers are characters who excel in throwing. While every character is capable of a standard grab, Grapplers have access to some of the best Command Grabs in the game, with wide range, high damage, good oki, or a combination of the three. I think Broly fits under this definition. The reason grabs in fighterz is weaker then in most games is probably the possibility of getting a kill off of it. Hell characters can do that, but if they added 20-40% grabs that would make ToD's a lot more common
Edit: Like someone said in the replies, android 16 is definitely a grappler as well. Like most of the big guy's move set are grabs. Ex: 236L-H, 214L-H, j.236L-H, j.214L-H, and his level 3.
Also lets not forget Android 16
They also forget that this game has assistance so having a powerful grip would be the most broken since even a simple grip can make you TOD in different circumstances.
I feel like the EX grab feels a little bit more like a normal command grab but I agree the light version is essentially a true throw while dragon rush is not a "throw" but more of a techable universal command grab.
I get what you're saying, but it still feels a little silly to say that the grab specialists in FighterZ aren't the game's "Grapplers"
Great video, though! Love this game's weird and awesome relationship with pressure
something you didnt mention that i wish you did is the fact that Broly is so much "not a grappler" that he was the best zoner in the game at some point in time in the meta. His Ki Blasts are not only big and fast but are aimable. Although you csn superdash through them, Broly can just react and 2H your superdash. His 236S, while not being fast, countera any superdashes which also helped his zoning. Hell, his 214S, a move given to him to help him not get zoned, helped HIM zone. Broly is just such a weird grappler, like id go as far to say that baseku is a better definition for grappler than Broly.
he’s STILL the best zoner ngl, that’s never changed. Zbully will always dominate the meta, like kid buu
@@Kyasutaano he's not lol
@@Kyasutaahis ki blast are minus asf now
Damn, that’s crazy. Anyways..
**command grabs you**
On my main DBFZ team everyone has a throw. Super Baby 2 has a disgusting air grab and tick throw, Goku black has a full screen grab that can be comboed off of, and Z Broly well... He's Broly.
Honestly Super Baby 2 anti air grab doesn't have good tracking.
Fighterz is mostly built around versatility and how multiple characters have certain traits that benefit each other so It would make sense that Broly isn't a grappler because he needs this versatility otherwise he would be easy to play around. (By versatility i mean universal options. Superdash, Dragon Rush, Reflect, Overhead M, and technical stuff like knockdowns. The reason why he has these grabs is for versatility, thus why he doesnt seem like a grappler.(If you need a grappler to refer to, try android 16.) (To summarize for people who dont wanna read: Fighterz has so much versatility that grabs are mostly used as a blockstun extender.) [I would go on a rant but I would need a whole ass video to explain that]
Neat video, less so in that i agree with it because i don't really think an archetype working differently from usual in one game makes it not that archetype (though putting a dbfz zoner or grappler into any other game would probably make them not that archetype), more so because people don't often talk about how some games, including dbfz, just handle archetypes in a different way and this video is exactly that
You give very little attention to the fact you can combo off of heavy or medium throws and I feel like it kind of negates the point of the video, why do you not eat the grab? because Broly can extend and get full combo with a heavy version of the grab?
You can combo off of those but that doesn't really argue against anything in the video because M throw is reactable (longer startup, and that was the problem with dragon rush as the video explained) and H throw has the same startup as M but is also worth meter
I mean Z Broly is centered around grapples, and having meter to get more damage, when a Broly has meter he's even a bigger threat because the EX grab can be comboed into, and not to mention ARMOR
the infamous 10 hit armor lariat
FighterZ in General is weird compared to other Fighting games:
ToD's are pretty uncommon due to Damage Proration, and that does require a lot of Resources too.
A character like an standard grappler on DBFZ just cannot work, as it basically becomes a ToD machine but it would be cursed with an Ass of an Neutral, due to how DBFZ is structured.
Everyone has ranged options in one way or another, like Ki Blasts, long ranged moves, and even most assists, and the "Lariats" (+reflect-proof moves)
There is Superdash, yeah, but everyone can beat Superdash with 2H (the generalized anti-air), or a well timed jump attack, which also leads into getting combo'd.
This would also make it be very specific for team builds, because he would Definitively be locked to Anchor usage unless you want to die, and require great blockstun assists to approach so.
Bro this was such a good video, I thought you had like atleast 10k-20k subs😭😭. You def deserve more.
Ignoring the fact android 16 is really dbfz's grappler not broly (alot of his moves revolve around grabbing even his auto combo) by your logic is someone like haggar (the og grappler) in mvc3 not a grappler?
Never really thought of Z!Broly as the grappler architype. Actually he's more of a tank than he is a grappler, even if he has grabby moves. He can also zone with his neutral special attack.
I think of Android #16 if anything as the grappler.
As someone who was introduced to fighting games through DBFZ, I actually hate how grabs are handled in most others. The idea that a character can win after landing the same move three times just feels so off to me, unless that is the point of the game. A game centered around having low health and needed to play with good spacing can excel with grapplers, but there's a good reason why they feel out of place is combo heavy games.
Just get good
@@BlazeK9 nuuh
@@HF-rr6kt why? Too difficult for you?
@@BlazeK9 Do you feel the need to put others down because no one loves you or is it that you are just not a good person. Either way, no one respects you.
Also yeah, way too difficult lol.
@@HF-rr6kt naw. I just don't understand how people find the game difficult it's a simple process. Sorry for sounding rude.
Dbfz is a one archetype game. Rushdown.
While every character plays mostly different. Everyone is still a variation of Rushdown. Master Roshi? Gimmick Rushdown. Broly DBS? Brutalist Rushdown. Android 16? Grappler Rushdown. Even cases with zoners aka Frieza. His zone sucks but the combos and mixup with him are wild.
It's a good point, I'd say it's weirdly presented to call the thesis of it "yeah these aren't grapplers", but hey, I understand you gotta put a hotter-sounding version of your take in the title to get views.
Anyways, you make a good and interesting point about the strength of throws in these games.
Even the grappler’s normal grabs usually do more damage than the average character.
Forgot about Android 16
That’s also why he is an anchor. Broly with bar plus sparking means dead characters in his wake.
beautiful editing and pacing, keep it up man!
Guys I think arguing about whether or not Broly is a "grappler" is missing the forest for the trees. The point is that he differs from traditional grapplers significantly, and that's interesting to talk about
Z Broly is the best graphler BUT also the best zoner.... for some reason.
thnx mate! i return back to Broly as my main again
How about 16? He is also a grappler🤔
I'd say another reason DBFZ's grapplers don't work like other grapplers is that the motion inputs for all characters are either a quarter circle forward or quarter circle back and making a command throw on it's own do the same damage as something like a SPD would be broken.
Bluku can combo off his command grab with vanish and assist
Amazing video
Android 16: "beep beep"
I honestly thought broly was a brute
4:06 nah bro i got the point there but using a clip of a Potemkin against a Chipp is kinda cruel
I Thing of KING from Tekken 🐆💪🏽
He's THAT guy you know
GGS my man!
Your gotenks is nasty 👌🏼🔥
Pot buster is already in fighterz, it’s beerus level 3 :)
Who calls broly the grappler in Fighterz? Maybe in any other dragon ball sure but....android 16 is Fighterz grappler
follow up, DANG gotenks is cheap holy moly i had no idea gotenks could do stuff like that
16 is a grappler
Dang was my first time playing against you. You real dawg. I gotta play the game how you're supposed to to win xD
Broly isnt a grappler, he's a better zoner than the zoners lol
Closet thing is Android 16 imo.
Z Broly is probably the only “not grappler” that is also the best zoner.
Everyone is talking about Android 16 this, Android 16 that. But why is no one talking about S Broly? That man has more command grabs out of anyone in the damn game, show some respect.
ZBully is more of a zoner. SBroly and Best Boy 16 are way more grappler, I think.
I like how frieza is a zoner and doesn't have good zoning tools
@@TETANUS.I won't say that. Death Slash is a annoying zoning tool, pair that with his slow orbs and you got yourself a annoying play style.
@@BlazeK9 nah u right, but most if not all friezas I've met barely did any damage, they prolly just suck
@@TETANUS. That's true. Frieza is not threatening until he goes Golden. That's when his damage skyrockets. Good thing you went against garbage players, I went through a lot of pain these past few weeks because of Frieza.
@@BlazeK9 honestly I've been having much more L's against ss4 gogeta surprisingly
Did you just forget android 16 exists?
quick info 16s grab is 16 frames(light)
Brolys light grab is 17
excample street fighter universal grab is around 5-7 frames (depends on character)
@@kaichu9446 17 frames is unreactable for this game when you account for stuff like human reaction and input delay.
I’m just saying he made a grappler video on FighterZ without mentioning No. 16 once
Isnt 16 the grappler of fighterZ ??
There can be more than one grappler in a game. The most well known are S Broly and Z Broly, 16 is also a grappler but not many people use him simply because Grabbing is all he has, on top of that his grabs are slow.
What about 16 and Broly S?
broly [S] has left the chat
Dragon Ball FighterZ is nothing like the classic 2D perspective fighting game basically
It is similar to Marvel Vs Capcom
Broly is a grappler
what about 16
Hey, at least it’s not season 1 16
android 16:
You forgot to say that broly is the best zoner in this game lol
Nobody counts android 16
Dbs broly is a better character to say os a grappler