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Your closing points described me to the T. But while I would rather spare innocent people the pain that comes with existing, I'm not convinced antinatalism is the moral high ground or that everyone should adopt that philosophy. Life can be so beautiful, and while I personal have no taste for it, and there are millions who do and billions more who will.

My only thing is, i dont think that what Frank does really punishes them. I mean sure they die, but they just die and thats it. At least with vigilantes like DD (and Batman but wtv) they are usually beaten to the point where they are unable to move and have to eat through a straw. At that point you're giving some of them a mercy by ending their misery vs making it painfully obvious that they either need to change or just die from another brutal injury that sticks this time, whether it be from another vigilante, cops who don't know how to not use lethal force, or prisoners with no reason to not brutalize you. Matt's side works because it can weed out people who want redemption over people who assume that their injuries cant become permanent with another bad decision. And it does at least instill the fear of paralysis from being broken so badly.

Modern "ethics" ruined society.

Good video analyzing some important philosophical conundrums, but there's also the usual misleading statistics and data cited here. Individuals speak about "over-incarceration" and the "severity of punishment having no notable effect" when the alternative methods and measurements prove the inverse rapidly. When laws and regulations are enacted in order to circumvent the punishments and repercussions that have evolved and been formulated for hundreds of years in favor of arbitrarily moving numbers in one direction or another, then it becomes blatantly apparent that these codes were put in place and enforced for a reason. And that's not my arguing that they're perfect or infallible. nor that the individuals charged with enacting these regulations are without corruption or defect. But those blanket statistics trying to get around rules that have been formed due to hundreds of years of human experience are 9/10 times misleading or biased as hell. When you dig into the data and look at individual groups and subgroups, you get a much better idea of what's going on.

Death: BAD Being dead: GOOD Well f*ck 😢

One is a pacifist until someone hurts your loved one

The Punisher is/has/will always be shit. The point is put him into conflict with others who aren’t traumatized violent psychopaths. That makes for good stories where we can be engaged in interesting questions. That’s the point. He’s a foil. He’s not supposed to be seriously considered. Unfortunately the medium itself attracts folks to the character. The dilemmas presented in MCU media are trite and shallow. They deserve a cursory glance at best and should be enjoyed as entertainment (and good entertainment) and nothing more. The MCU is a rootless enterprise, separated from any concrete political reality and are closer to propaganda than anything else. Case in point, just look at the comment section. We got both-siders talking about them both being right. They’re individual actors. No one has that right on their own to decide who dies. Not to mention, again, the absolute separation from reality. The Punisher, is more akin to the spree shooters of today than any hero. He is a radicalized psycho. Should we have a “real” Punisher, he would be murdering people who are homeless, mentally ill, in poverty etc. and we know those problems related to crime as phenomenon are rooted in systemic causes.

I actually agree with the Punisher and I think it is the right thing to do

I like the points you made in this video. You actually put thought into it and I like the example you put of chomos getting punished in prison. I do want to point out however that frank never intended on k!lling that old guy. Frank character is written with morale code, he only put the 🔫 up to keep daredevil from making a lot of noise. That’s always why he had no plan on ending daredevil. He also doesn’t finish off all criminals but in specific criminal that harm mainly k!ll other people or participate in evil acts like CP or trafficking. But your run of the mill criminal he doesn’t think deserves death

Frank wins this debate in the end. At the end of the season, after the bad guy kills matts gf, matt winds up killing the bad guy in a rage. Frank witnesses this and nods in approval.

Punisher

Depends, really. If you want to become an incorruptible symbol, a symbol people can look up to whenever we speak justice, then you go with Daredevil approach. If you don't really care about the politics, then go punisher. Unfortunately, society thinks as a whole. Some people might think differently, and deviate from the mass mentality, but at the end of the day, the majority wins. Politics has a big role in every decision a society acts on. If you want their support, then go Daredevil.

For me it's a knowledge problem, "How do you know the person you are shooting is actually guilty?" This is best shown in the first comic Punisher ever appeared in, his target was Spider-Man. So even if we accept the same sort of Utilitarian ethics Punisher is operating under, he would be wrong. Because we would be focused on beneficial outcomes, which his method cannot guarantee and could easily go wrong. He could do more good with a different approach. Hell, Daredevil could do more by including a systemic approach (by addressing the origins of crime and the issues of late Capitalism).

I hope I deserve some sympathy, and/or empathy! Thanks, this was very well thought out.

Me watching half way of the video but, Dardevil and punisher want the same thing but very different you are very right on it but punisher’s ways doesn’t work, sure he’s getting rid of em for good but there’s still gonna be more, showing that punisher’s ways doesn’t really work.

"I do this but...and... because" 🗣️ "What i do, i just do" 🗿

So many variables not taken into consideration

“Frank, your way doesn’t work” “Let me tell you sumthin”

Ok I guess the type of content there is uploaded is the same type of audience it's gonna attract

Daredevil for the w

This is why Batman is a dogshit hero

The video helped my researching of Antinatlism, and I have some questions to help me understand the viewpoint more: Do antinatalist believe in Free Will? (If we cannot decide whether we exist or how we die outside of taking our lives, do we possess free will since we're bound by those fates? If we don't, is it possible for someone to even violate our will/choice by causing us to exist against our will, and if we do then is the idea we possess a limited will? Do antinatalist believe morality and suffering are subjective or objective? I've heard it mentioned pleasure and happiness are subjective (in reference to studies examining it globally via demographics), which is true since such things are influenced by environment, culture, etc. Can the same be said about suffering and morality? Do antinatalist believe having children is objectively wrong or subjectively wrong (believe themselves to have an objective view or subjective view)? And, in what context is it acknowledged some may come to antinatalism based on subjective suffering/experiences/cultural beliefs, etc. What is considered suffering? Is it any amount of discomfort, unnecessary discomfort/pain, (how is unnecessary defined also), or specific types of discomfort or pain? For example - I'm a woman, who has painful cramping. Cramping occurs because the uturus contracts to shed its lining - is that pain unnecessary because I wouldn't/shouldn't have otherwise existed to experience the pain, or is it not under the umbrella of unnecessary suffering because the pain is technically part of a natural biological process? Can people within antinatalism decide for themselves what is unnecessary suffering, or are these concepts pre-defined by the philosophy? (And can antinatalist disagree on what specific things are unnecessary suffering? Or, would that even matter in the philosophy?) If the absence of pleasure is not bad since no one is deprived of pleasure, does this also mean perhaps the absence of pain isn't good since no one is saved from suffering? In both cases no one exists to have either experience; would that mean nothing good nor bad is happening at all? Now, my last question involves people that argue against it - if antinatalists themselves say life can become worth experiencing/witnessing to even an undesirable degree (like a bad movie you stay to watch), could natalist use this as a justification to keep reproducing (The, 'it can't be that bad then' argument)? Sorry if the comment is long, I want to understand as much as possible. :3

I came across this video while doing research for a video essay of my own and I think this a very good video that really gives the subject the brevity it needs. I've always thought pedophiles are people with a problem, child molesters are criminals, but that nuance tends to get lost on a lot of people due to strong emotional responses. I'm actually impressed you covered this topic without ever bringing up lolita. I personally want to do a video essay on that novel/film, but doing so feels like stepping on a cancel culture landmine that I don't know if I'm brave enough to conquer quite yet, so bravo for you having the balls to put your views out there despite how unpopular they are. One thing you never really explored is the use of smut, websites like Ao3, juicy secrets club and more may not give pedophiles the physical release they may crave, but I think it could definitely capture the mind and prevent actual harm. And as far as visual material how do you feel about websites like pervertparadise .net which aims to sever these people with legal content with the goal of harm reduction ? I think this is a complex issue that likely has more than one single, simple solution and I commend you for starting the conversation from a place of empathy rather than rage. good job

Who was the comedian ? 👀

Punisher.

One thing that always seems to get missed in these discussions is that Hell's Kitchen and Gotham are not real places, the characters that live there are not real people, and the way the world works there is not the same. What might be overly harsh in our world could just be the only reasonable solution in a fictional place.

Who watches the cops? Nobody.

He didnt intend on killing that old man, he literally said it was just for Daredevil to hear. Also Frank told Matt to kill him or he would kill the other guy.

Its 60 40 for me

Punisher is right.

It's situational. If the justice system is worthless, then the punisher would be 100% effective. If there's a great justice system, little to no crime, then Dare Devil would be the best solution if he's needed at all. End of day, frontier justice back in the day was a thing. If someone got out of control and hurt people, justice system did nothing, towns people would band together and hunt them down. The topic is stupid anyways. Reason being if you had a family, you would protect it, not wait foe the police to show up. THATS real, what counts, and anyone's idea of right or wrong means nothing when protecting your family from someone or something.

Why not both have a vigilante who offs people who actually murder cause sometimes those people do find was to escape jail or the death penalty and they go and kill again so a vigilante that only kills killers but simply just capture basic criminals and gives them to the police would be a good mix takes both arguments and puts them together

ironically if they both chilled out just a little bit and came to a compromise they really could have done some good for the city. there are some people for whom rehabilitation is possible, given the opportunity and aid to do so. But on the other hand there are people in the world who are a blight upon it and are never going to change their ways, though either a warped idea of morality or simple greed. for the second catagory, if they are violent or worse their simple continued life is a risk for those who interact with them. by accepting these things and talking them over case by case Frank and Matt could, between them tone down Franks shotgun approach to dealing out punishment, but also actually stop repeat dangerous criminals.

The punisher is right. you cant leave evil alive with the hope of rehabilitation. they prey on your weakness to forgive

And you know the crazy part is? Antinatalism actually has its roots possibly stemmed from ancient times. It was just so insanely unpopular that only a very few individuals within the cycle knew about it. Now since we have internet (meaning far easier ways to access information and knowledge), this philosophy finally has a chance to enjoy proper exposure.

By not having kids, just remember that you are saving millions of lives who will never exist because of you, and never have to suffer.

The American justice system supports vigilantism with one simple term. Bounty hunting. The second the feds put a dollar out on your scalp, someone will come for it.

Thanks for discussing Arthur Schopenhauer!

I know people say similar things all over RUclips, but its criminal that your videos arent more widely seen. Your videos are incredibly engaging, whilst making the topics accessible for those who haven't come across them before to contemplate. Keep it up 👍

I died in my sleep. It was wonderful, accepting and peaceful. The worst part was waking up, re-imprisoned in this world. The depression of being back here... I want vengeance on the god monster.

I still don't understand why antinatalists keep relying on the existence of procreated humans when procreation is unethical. Antinatalists should live alone in the wild (doing all of their own work) when they don't want humans to procreate!

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Take off your costume Go through the great unlearning become reborn into the understanding of your immortality through thought the atlantean Morals and dogma by Albert Pike says set you free to worship Lucifer and Liberty just like the Statue of Liberty with a thousand points of light around her minds eye crown on her head🎉😂❤ ascend to the heights of mastery of your own immortality and master your pain and misery it's nobody's fault but you're you're parents didn't bring you here you brought yourself here

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I think you're all weak wizards and I was born to tell you so🎉😂❤ and I was born to tell you you're immortal and I will see you again

Lucifer is the way luciferian is a more set human's free Albert Pike's morals and dogma is the first step into understanding the garbage you're in😂❤🎉

Your purpose is war your purpose is destroy your purpose is not listening to the other filthy humans around you especially taking vaccines for science and all that garbage your purpose is to understand your immortal purpose forget your religious garbage dogma and seek Albert Pike's morals and dogma book😢🎉😂❤

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The people are very ignorant and under MK ultra neurolinguistic programming they don't end no anything about the emerald tablets of Thoth🎉