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I've been super busy creating my own game 😅

Yup, not pictured are the many hours of resetting it took to get a viable setup (nobody wants to see that, and I don't blame them 😅). It's just an inherent part of trying to get a really high score, and knowing how long it'll take to get another viable run makes it more tense when you've actually got one.

Yeah I haven't played since shortly after this run. The game is awesome and I got my value out of it and then some, but I've got other things keeping me busy now. Glad you liked them!

Thanks. Agreed! The sound and music also created such a good other-worldly, desolate but calm atmosphere, similar to what I remember from playing Metroid Prime for the first time.

and you on first wave yfve left side laser

что то тут не то, мне кажется ты обманываешь

Unlikely, haven't played since shortly after this run :/

That's correct, but I'm not worried about water or cobalt early on anyway, I come back and get those with my probe once I clear out the bottom of the map.

I'm not sure, I haven't tried out Assessor. From what I've heard it's a bit awkward to use but we'll see in due time how it performs.

I have the first 5 or so wave times estimated so I can keep track with a timer myself. In theory you could go the whole game without it but that would be incredibly tedious.

It's just to get my laser in a more central position in preparation for the next wave.

They added them as Halloween decorations.

As far as I know, it's completely random.

Maybe, depends how good/fun it ends up being.

Pausecels seething over scorechads

For TP, they had a patch a bit ago that stopped making it teleport resources during combat, so now it's far too slow to rely on. Because of that, I have to make manual trips anyway, so the only time I need to upgrade it is when I get so deep that a full iron deposit would slow me down quite a bit. Instead, I leave some for the TP and take a lighter weight up to speed me up. Do you mean overcharging the repellant or upgrading it? I only overcharge it for the increased battle ability duration later on when waves get more difficult, and I didn't bother upgrading it because it would've meant less multiplier in the end (or a sacrifice of increased battle ability duration, either way not worth it). I definitely wouldn't replace probe, it's for sure the most important gadget right now IMO, if anything I would go with condenser + probe + lift if I wanted condenser that badly. Thanks, glad you liked it!

​@@mathewkostrzewa In terms of rates for the TP versus carrying back, I guess it would somewhat surprise me if the 4 iron 3 water investment wasn't worth taking earlier to facilitate less/faster trips back, even if you can't rely on the TP solely for resource return. My rambling about dumping water into repellant probably could've been clearly spelled out, apologies. In short, I've wondered if a strategy of delaying waves maximally (upgrade repellant early AND overcharge continuously via condenser early) would facilitate the ability to drive resource sendoff / multiplier gain (and thus effective score) earlier enough in the run to be worth the tradeoff for TP or the probe (guessing based on your above response you'd dump the TP in this scenario). I should mention: I assure you, these questions are more meant as a way of me to pick your brain and should not be necessarily taken as criticism - I have no doubt you are far better at this game in execution! Truly impressive combat and foresight. but it's still fun to think about other ways to drive up score that might be viable strategy and as a dad with limited playtime, I may not have as much time/experience to test them against your strategy displayed here, so I instead ask of your experience. Thanks for humoring me and good luck!

@@tgress21 With max speed and carry capacity I don't notice much of a slowdown for a while so I try to focus my resources on other things, but it's certainly possible it could speed things up a bit, I mostly just go off feel. No worries at all! I think it's a tough call since resources are so limited, getting them a bit sooner is good but it's a tradeoff for total resources (including some early iron). Haven't messed around with it much so I'm not sure how exactly the numbers would work out. It's certainly a strategy with a significant value proposition in any case, the condenser overcharge has the added benefit of providing the extra battle ability duration, which is crucial late-game. I didn't take it that way by any means, I like hearing contrasting opinions. My opinions aren't objective or better than someone else's either, and there are definitely people out there that have experimented more than me. If I find some spare time I'd like to experiment a bit, though it's likely I won't play until the patch that tweaks cheat detection that'll stop getting me falsely flagged and then try for a real leaderboard run. Thanks for reaching out, same to you!

​@@mathewkostrzewa Thought I would reply with a brief follow up on this conversation. I just pulled my best ever - 41k! Number 40 on leaderboards (Malpractice21). Laser, condenser early with reasonably early auto-overcharge, teleport. General idea was slow the game down so i could mine everything out without the probe to aide me. I'd eventually do spacing of 5 blocks between to search for iron, then when i find a node, mine it out and leave teleport behind to finish while i mine elsewhere in between. My combat was... well, subpar. I'm inexperienced with wither - was using stagnation but now see the light that wither is better, but harder to use. I did have a 2 cobalt tree but i chickened out and mined it early so only lasted 53 waves. Anyway, it looks viable! Thought I'd share this follow up. Not sure if it will be your style or not.

Total guess: it's a way to save on enemy spawn time during a time when you cant move right after discovery?

Not really a significant exploit, it's very common and the devs have known about it for a long time and decided not to patch it. It's not what's causing my runs to be put onto the wrong leaderboard, you can test it and see that a run will still make it onto the normal leaderboard if you try. I asked the dev and he said they'll be increasing the limits to the detection in the next patch, I've heard that the detection functions weren't tweaked for the laser buff patch, so they're not currently configured to account for how good a laser run can be.

the little animation for the relic opening up still plays while paused, so it saves a bit of time iirc

Only if they wipe the leaderboard. The top 30 - 50, are cheaters. Since there isn't anywhere near that amount of resource on the map. I won't say what an authentic high score is since I don't want to educate bad actors. HOWEVER, Know that our boy here is easily top 50 legit in the world.

Not getting them within the first two is fine for me, but if I don't get both of them before I run out of relics then it's pretty doomed.

@@mathewkostrzewa Dually noted! Thank you, sir.

Please don't. I really like it without commentary. 😊🙏🤘(At most, Mathew, maybe explain for 3 minutes at the start, but not all throughout....) (Aaron: he needs to concentrate on playing, and if something is unclear to you just from watching his choices, you can ask here I'm sure.)

I think captions would be more appropriate, talking would be a distraction

Gotta pass the time somehow 😄

It increases wave difficulty fairly significantly and there isn't much value early on anyway so I'd rather be bringing back more iron.

@@mathewkostrzewa Does shredding them increase the wave difficulty as well? Kind of seemed like it did this run. Surely that wouldn't be worth 2 cobalt?

@@jackbandit2114 Shredding them does as well, but late-game it's an irrelevant amount compared to the natural wave difficulty increase by that point (and also the hundreds of resources that you've collected by that point, 1 relic is equivalent to about 14 iron for wave difficulty). It's only early-game that it makes a notable difference.

Double laser is crazy :P

Not really, don't have much time as is just going for the highest possible score 😅

@@mathewkostrzewa thanks for the answer

some people can't talk and play at the same time.. at this level of game play he would suffer in performance by talking I would bet. The game is self explanatory if you just look at it.

Makes sense