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NBC news is a part of Fox now, that is news to me.

@@IndieThinker I’ll keep it simple. You are a narrow thinker. You guide hate to others, especially other christians. You state your own personal views and opinions are fact. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing spreading hate to others.

@@PlaylistWatching1234 but you nor anyone else really knows do they? This is the point. Only skeptics make faith assertions and then go on to pretend they’re confirmed science.

@IndieThinker brother, I love you. I think you may need to let others witness.

@@cookedo5743 ​At least it seems we’re in agreement that you shouldn’t do it but please provide an example of me doing this with an explanation of how I misused Scripture. This should be fun.

I concur, I would love to see you elaborate.

@@IndieThinker You do it in this very video, Reed. How are you leading with the first and second greatest commandments of Jesus with this video?

@@IndieThinker You do this with abortion all the time too. You attempt to make the very complex issue too simple in order to further your political stance. You claim to use scripture to support your view.

@@cookedo5743 since you refuse to quote anything I’ve said and remain purposefully general I encourage you not to confuse positions don’t like with the misuse of Scripture. This is why I could confidently ask you to provide an example and trust you couldn’t find a single one. Little of what I do is predicated on the use of Scripture alone and usually everything is throughly researched. I have consistently dug into the fact that almost every biologist according to the NIH holds my view of life at conception, there is no medical reason to abort a baby to save the life of the mother, R is not the babies fault, and all the exceptions make up for about 3% of all abortions and all the rest are done out of convenience. Not a single one of those facts are simple you just don’t like them.

@@InnovativeSaint if “nothing”cannot be known then it cannot be objectively proven to be real because you would have nothing to base your evidence on. Or you could just laugh because it’s a joke.

You're not making an argument per usual you're doing what most do, appealing to emotion in the hopes it will cover up for the fact that there's no justification for taking the life of an innocent human being.

@ Reed. I didn’t claim to make an argument, though criticism is very difficult for you. I was stating an observation. Your channels viewpoints come off as narrow and narcissistic with a swing to christian nationalism over discipleship. In other words, you weaponize biblical text for political agendas.

@@leonardopatrizio the individual? There is the mother and her child not just the mother. Every successful abortion ends with a dead child, it’s a plain fact. Intentionally killing an innocent child doesn’t help women.

@@gustavomartins7547 maybe you favored Alex because of your bias. Sure, great convo but watch Alex, he’s been going to bat with people making him reconsider his views, like we all should be willing to do.

​@@IndieThinker "Maybe you favored Alex because of your bias" That's literally what i said. I favored Alex because i'm an atheist, but I don't think what Cliffe and Stuart said were necessarily wrong, just a little bit off with what I expected as an answer. And yeah, I love Alex way of living, he talks sincerely with christians and reconsider his views all the time, what we all should do. Still, that was not a "demolish" just two three people who have no idea what they are doing in this world trying to understand each other. And that's what religious debates/conversations should be. None of uf have a clue of what God is or what he wants or how the divine behaves, we are just trying to understand ourselves and understand what this world means.

@ what I’m implying is I think it’s just you missing something. Christians do have something to offer more than conjecture, maybes, and good responses. Our message is not a religion but a real God that will reveal Himself to real seekers.

@@IndieThinker I mean. Your message is not "the real God", since the real God is infinite and perfect and our language and intelect is finite and imperfect. So all you have to say is a representation of God, not the real God. As a christian you probably feel the real God and you feel his love and connection and empathy. But you cannot tell others about him, only your interpretation of him

@@gustavomartins7547 typing a lot may allow you to avoid what I just set before you before but it isn't honest. I made a large moral and empirical claim about the God I believe in that you can test yourself. I placed the ball in your court to see if you're actually interested in pursuing the truth of that claim. Are you?

You bring up a very interesting thought.

That's fine everyone can think what they want to, just know the whole calling a baby a fetus thing is a dishonest attempt at dehumanizing human life in order to eliminate it.

This channel is made with people like you in mind. Separation of church and state is a not a founding principle of America. It is an ahistorical idea from secularists based on a misquote of Jefferson and a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment. I find more and more that people actually do not know what the first amendment says. They only know what they’ve been told it says. I’d encourage you to read it. I also touch on this in the video. Maybe you missed it.

​@@IndieThinkerActually the first Amendment was about the federal government. You have to look at the state constitution for what was permitted. That of course changes after the 14th amendment. Which then makes me wonder what you think would entail establishment. For example, requiring the display of the 10 commandment creates a broad recognition for the Christian religion. Then you have the side of allowing the display of the commandments at school. Can the school choose to or to prevent other religious text? I didn't get a sense that your channel covers these topics. So I do not feel like it is for someone like S.D.323

@IndieThinker well if America isnt a secular country what is it it definitely isn't a theocracy

@@IndieThinker You didn't answer the question.

@@S.D.323 America is a federalist Republic. It is regulated by the people within the confines of certain principles later out in the constitution. The regulations that people impose can be secular of religious. They simply can not establish a state religion nor force others to believe in a religion or stop someone from worshiping as they please. Laws are made laws because people want them. For example wether or not abortion is banned will be because the amount of people who vote against it. Whether or not they vote against it for religious or secular reasons or no reason at all doesn't really matter to the law.

@@jakeherter Aristotles unmoved mover. You can pick up books at any library near you. They’re very helpful remedies for atheism.

​@IndieThinker The cosmological argument, really? At best, it gets you to a diest god, not the christian one. It assumes that the cause of the universe is a being when it could be literally anything, we dont know.

@@jessephillips8319 ?!?

@@Theo_Skeptomai Are you questioning your excitement for your question. Don't know if you need to be excited, but feel free to ask.

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Every belief system is a philosophy.

@@neonnnn110 😆

According to those Harvard studies it’s that and much more. The real cope is ignoring all the data to make a cheap quip.

@@IndieThinkeryeah data can also show prayer helps people recover faster but only when they KNOW they are being prayed for. Citing one study and failing to consider lots of parts of cause and effect is not the own you think it is

@ 444 qualitative studies is kind of a big own. But it isn’t about owing. That’s immature. It’s about being honest and seeking truth.

Won the debate and hopefully burying a broken ideology.

​@IndieThinker Are you stating that the position of atheism - to suspend any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented - is an _ideology?_

@@lukaswimmer885 average atheist thinking they won a debate 🤡

Literally everything is an ideology.

@@neonnnn110 literally, no it's not...

"They just don't like Trump" so they took money from a radical left-wing organization and endorsed a pro-abortion/pro-trans candidate that refused any religion exemption for abortion all for all nine months. That's called selling out not a "little Trump critique".

@@IndieThinker Oh brother. They've both made pretty robust arguments on these positions over the course of the last eight years. Selling out is when you deny what you actually believe so you can cash in. I'm willing to bet that both Moore and French would have had smoother sailing if they'd gone along with the broader evangelical support for Trump. You might disagree with them, and that's fine, but some of this stuff is so overheated.

@@nathanmarone Pretty clear you didn't watch the video or read my reply, because they clearly took MONEY from a pro-abortion/pro-lgbtq org, along with Chang, to make The After Party. They funneled the money through Redeeming Babel so it couldn't be traced to them directly. The After Party, among other things, was an attempt to push the church away from Trump. That is definitionally being for sale. You probably didn't creep into the comment section to actually learn something, but ask yourself, when did French or Moore ever criticize the sawing off the body parts of kids, men in women's private spaces, or abortion? If they have remained eerily silent on these cardinal sins while reserving their sharpest criticism for Trump then it becomes obvious what these men really stand for.

@@IndieThinker I've watched the video. It's mostly polemics and not a lot of actual information on how they sold out. Largely a bit of entertainment for people who already agree with you. But I'll grant that somehow their deals are shady or whatever. They are still broadly conservative. They just aren't prioritizing abortion as the level most evangelicals do. It is an important issue, no doubt, but it's not the only issue, and we can't expect everyone to have the exact same priorities at the voting booth.

Your information on Chang, Moore and French seems ten years old if you consider Moore and French 'super conservative'. Yes, they still know how to give correct "systematic theological answers' in certain audiences, but so does Satan. This commentary is spot on. Highly recommend Megan Basham's book.

We watched it with two very different sets of eyes. They have general agreement on abortion as a right, and then proceeded to disagree on everything else about that right including viability, accessibility, health of the mother, exception cases, and more until Sam’s meltdown on the show. So, yes, we see things very different.

Thanks Dom. Keep up the great work.