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Brown had nothing to do with the downing of von Richtofen.....so it wasn't "target fixation"....he could never have known that machine gun battery was there, maybe never even knew they were firing at him

why do the Brits always say "disorienTATED"?? those aren't the letters in the word it's disoriented learn English lol

Did they think to design a 1914 or 1915 pusher propeller, dual boom type aircraft that could then easily fire machine guns forward unencumbered?

Sounds better than Meatloaf himself 😊

I wonder if he didn't want to survive and go home on leave? I'm sure he didn't want to be pulled out of combat while the war continued.

I wonder who has his Blue Max?

Nicely done!

Way Cool

Actually ,,they are all past caring now,, so does it really matter? RIP , War Sucks.

13:00 Clear to the end of the first quarter of the 21st Century. Even though the second quarter of the 21st century is still in the future, I'm willing to bet it will still be relevant until we stop fighting wars. His book is still fully relevant.

6:30 Fair enough, but you enemy can't exploit that advantage if he doesn't have that heavy machine gun. And if you have a means to damage his airplane to the point it stops flying, and he doesn't, who has the advantage then?

This ridiculous dramatization - give it a damn break! Sheesh!

It amazes me that that the arguments still persit about whose bullet brought him down. Man:s done gone.

If he had lived ,,and became an instructor of ww11 German air force he could have changed the outcome

You want your baron dead you call an australian machine gunner

Didn't have to be a machine gun. Could have been an ordinary Soldier with a 303 rifle. The Baron had been shot before in the head and also landed his Plane

Twenty years ago, I leafed through a coffee-table format book about this subject. The author left no doubt that ground fire was what had killed the Baron. But, in truth, what killed him was the fact that the Red Baron was now longer the man he once had been. He had killed enough men to affect the hardest of hearts, and he had only recently escaped death by millimeters. He was in the grip of what we now call P.T.S.D. Now he acted like the greenest of raw recruits. And it killed him...

It may be Richtofen succumbed to a fatalism brought on by the pilot's version of shellshock. He had seen too much, done too much.

You need to get his hair as your just as good 😢😢😢

Saw this gig in Bendigo. WOW. Blew the roof off.

1) There was discussion of target fixation by Von Richthofen to justify his disregarding his own rules. The only reason for this fixation stated was to just get another kill. I propose a different idea. Von Richthofen had family he was protecting beside just his unit. When his family was attacked, it created a determination that you will not do that to my family again in Von Richthofen's mind. 2) I was surprised there was no mention of a wound that Von Richthofen's had received in 1917. Someone was extremely close to killing him before as he was severely wounded in his head. Here is a quote from NBC News web page "“He (Von Richthofen) was a very reserved character all his life, but he is described as much more immature after the injury, and we have found that is common with this type of brain injury,” Missouri’s Daniel Orme said Tuesday." This medical information supports the idea in item #1. It also may be the motive his mother had in pleading to get her son out of harms way as he was not himself anymore. Link to the article below. www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6073290

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In the end it doesn’t matter. He put himself in an untenable situation with multiple cross firing enemies. The fascinating’what if’… is if he Had survived the war.. what role would he have played in the Weimar Republic, the Friecorps And later political Machinations. He was a natural leader.. probably a Prussian conservative… anti Hitler???… He had the Stature of Hindenburg and was a generation younger.

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The aussies got the red baron.

News Flash: Most of their deaths was mysterious- what would make Richthofen different.

Kram is nailing it.

No mystery, he was shot down by Australian soldiers firering from the ground.

Best documentary on the subject I've listened to so far.

There is no mystery He was flying low over the trenches when he was shot in the arse and killed by an Australian squaddie

Why on earth is the background music so loud? Difficult to hear the commentary. This seems to be very common these days, especially on tv. It needs to stop!

PTSD and getting disoriented when flying low was what did Manfred in

No Mystery.....all those that are capable of reading English literature....Knows what really happened ! The Canadian Captain Roy Brown didn't shoot down the Red Baron

It was his time to go. No man can set his own time of death.. Thank you very much for this posting of this very interesting video...

When i was in grade school there was a boy ,last name walldorf that for show and tell day brought to class a piece of fabric torn from the plane of the red barron

This is what happened: American Pilot Recalls Day Red Baron Was Shot Down By ROBERT H. HULL LAS VEGAS, Nev. (AP) - Oliver Colin LeBoutillier, believed to be the only living survivor of the World War I dogfight that killed famous German ace "Red" Baron Manfred von Richthofen, says today's pilots are better than the daredevils of 50 years ago. "They have to be," says the Las Vegas businessman. "Their equipment is more sophisticated. I had 29 hours and one minute before I began flying combat in 1917 and today to get a private ticket you have to have 50 hours. "The kids flying today have the same spirit we did. They just have better equipment," he reflects. He helped train U.S. pilots during World War II and later flew for Hollywood films. LeBoutillier left his hometown of East Orange, N.J. to join the Canadian flying corps in 1917 to fight in France. Today he admits to being "something more than 70," is actively running a Las Vegas pharmaceutical distributing company, and recently collaborated on a book covering the controversy surrounding who killed the Red Baron. Richthofen shot down 80 Allied planes before he himself was shot down April 21, 1918, over Allied territory in France. LeBoutillier remembers the dogfight with absolute clarity, he says, because "it was the greatest fight of any war under any circumstances." Noting that Australian ground forces claimed credit for killing the Baron, LeBoutillier says it could also have been his fellow pilot, Capt. Roy Brown, who strafed the baron less than a minute before the Australians began firing from the ground. The Canadian RAF officially credits Brown. "By God, I saw Brown's tracer bullets hitting into the fuselage around the cockpit area. The baron turned his head, knew he had been fired on, and continued chasing another Canadian pilot, Lt. Wilfrid May." LeBoutillier said Richthofen may have lost his bearings because of the dogfight in an unusual easterly wind and because he was chasing May, a green pilot flying apart from the Allied formation. Eleven Sopwith Camels of the Allied air forces tied into 27 German planes of Richthofen's so-called Flying Circus on the famous day, says LeBoutillier. "We all came back that day on both sides-except Richthofen. "When we took off the weather was just clearing. It had been bad. Still there was some haze and fog. "We took off and climbed to an altitude of 12,000 feet heading to the southern end of our sector. In about 30 minutes we reached this position and bumped into these aircraft and got tangled with them. "Everybody was mixed up. I never saw so many German triplanes in my life! I got right in the middle of 'em. "They were all pulling in and out, circling around, but no one crashed into another. It's one of those things of fate that happened, destiny or something, but all of us got away with it. Everyone came back except Baron von Richthofen. "I broke off because there were so many after me and some of the other Camels. I was a couple of thousand feet above Brown and May. I noticed that Brown came in to make a pass at the red triplane. The red triplane was chasing Lt. May low, over our lines along the Somme River. I could see Brown's tracer bullets hitting the red triplane in and around the cockpit area. "I was above and to the left. Brown made his pass and pulled up in a climbing turn to the left. In doing so his right wing blanked out his view of the red triplane. It was about 25 to 30 seconds later that the red triplane seemed to slow down and make a shallow turn to the right and glide down." During the battle May, following orders, had been staying at 12,000 feet but could not resist temptation. Several times German planes in the dogfight below zoomed back up near his position. On one such occasion, May disregarded his orders and dove on a German plane. His dive took him right down into the middle of the fight and his guns had jammed. Realizing he was in real trouble he spun down lower, flattened out over the Somme River and headed for home, recalls LeBoutillier. That was when the triplane that had been milling around in the fight spotted May's Camel and took out after him, says LeBoutillier, chased by Brown. He made his pass on the red triplane near the town of Vaux. "When Richthofen's plane passed over the 53rd Battery it made, more or less, a flat turn, wobbled a bit, then glided to the ground. From all reports, it's a good possibility that von Richthofen was dead before his plane hit the ground." LeBoutillier says he dropped from 2,000 feet to around 300 feet, witnessed Richthofen's last minute in the air, and returned to his base. It was not until hours later that he and others of his squadron knew that the pilot of the red triplane was Germany's ace of aces, Rittmeister Cavalry Capt. Baron Manfred von Richthofen. News Journal - Sunday, October 25, 1970

May was chasing Manfred's cousin on his first combat flight. Neither rookie, May or Wolfram, were supposed to initiate combat as newbies, but somehow, May got behind Wolfram, and Manfred went after May. Brown, seeing someone was after his rookie, joined the chase. Why did Manfred get so low? A head of steam, and a head injury the previous July.... not great judgment. Uncharacteristic! Especially for the Red Baron.

I wonder why they never put that tank in the game.

In 15 years the Woke will say a black man shot him down😳 ....

And then you start in telling the whole story of military aircraft.....I'm out,,,,

Canadian ace Billy Bishop, who once tangled with von Richtofen, did not have a high opinion of the Red Baron. Bishop claimed that Richtofen would stay out of the initial dog fight and wait for a straggler to emerge and then he would pounce.

Let's give credit where credit is due. Werner Voss flew the Fokker Dr-1 to its limits.

Hard to believe. After all these years. It was Rupert Pupkin that shot down the Red Baron all along...

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Crediting the downing of Richthofen by a pilot wasn't surprising because fliers had become national obsession and the press were all but the propaganda arm of those involved. The shift towards the skies once aircraft began to fight each other stirred the imagination where those dying on the ground had become faceless. Indeed the stalemate-slaughter was the reality that even the best prose couldn't hide yet in the air it those that fought were almost from another age was like knights jousting and Govts. wanted its distractions. Even when Zepplins were still invincible over Britian for a time bringing one down was almost a national madness that when it happened church bells peeled. Having Richthofen being killed by ground fire was the strongest likelihood but his myth as being untouchable in the air had to be unraveled even if untrue...

No autopsy? - all guesswork. Bullet might have only nicked the heart. Impossible to guess the attitude of the Barons plane - he might have been inverted for all they know, busy chasing another pilot. RAF got it right - Brown shot him down. Never changed based on some bogus Australian documentary. Case closed.

this video is historically inaccurate...everybody know who killed the Red Baron - Snoopy

Ok, but damn he was good looking!!

he was a killer nothing else

I only knew of the Red Baron through Snoopy's imaginary shootouts with him. Didn't really give it much thought for a long time until I grew to be interested in history. It's quite interesting to know Sparky (that's Schultz btw) knew about Von Richtofen, but Sparky liked history. He must have known about this debate over who actually shot down the Red Baron too since Snoopy *never* won against him.