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I had to stop working on Corvettes, as a natural tinkerer I got out a 1949 Hudson Engine I bought in 1977 that never ran. I fixed it and bought more old A.C. Gilbert S Gauge American Flyer trains. Then I had requests for videos to the processes to repair the old trains. Then I found TMCC boards from ERR and converted an engine. Then I found MTH DCS and O Gauge PS 2 upgrade kits. Then I bought a tiny 3D Printer, then I invented a 3D Printable Smoke Assembly for non smoke Flyer Steam engines. Then I bought a larger 3D printer and a CAD application and produced Fireboxes, Trucks, and other Flyer upgrades. Wow what a transformation to these great old trains. this channel is an ongoing collection of my work on the old Flyer Trains. I have help from 2 imaginary friends, Frank N. Stein (Mechanical) and Ein Stein (Digital), the Stein Brothers, and I have an adopted younger brother in South Africa. All we want to do to help American Flyer users enjoy their beautiful trains more. Do you have ?
Next Gen S Level 2 Puff & Chuff PC Boards built. Smoke Boards next. Then, Axle & Drive Gear ass'y.
Next Gen S Level 2 Puff & Chuff PC Boards built. Smoke Boards next. Then, Axle & Drive Gear ass'y.
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Two more Royal Blue Chassis had their surgery in the round house. Tomorrow they will get NGS P&C in.
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Two more Royal Blue Chassis had their surgery in the round house. Tomorrow they will get NGS P&C in.
How to set a drill press for a shallow counter sink to set a flanged bearing
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How to set a drill press for a shallow counter sink to set a flanged bearing
How to create and install ball bearing axles to a American Flyer Steam engine chassis.
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How to create and install ball bearing axles to a American Flyer Steam engine chassis.
How to rebuilt Classic Original Flyer metal Smoke Assembly using Next Gen S heater w Angel Hair.
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How to rebuilt Classic Original Flyer metal Smoke Assembly using Next Gen S heater w Angel Hair.
Test Engine #2 is also upgraded to NGS Level 1. The old Hudson tender chassis was pretty beat up.
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Test Engine #2 is also upgraded to NGS Level 1. The old Hudson tender chassis was pretty beat up.
NGS Level 1 Upgrade makes it on the Rails, digital reverse, Smoke, DC Fields and LED headlight!
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DC Field conversion frankentrainlabs.gumroad.com/l/gzwan Digital Reverse frankentrainlabs.gumroad.com/l/ztxpq AC to DC Convertor frankentrainlabs.gumroad.com/l/yildtf
NGS Royal Blue upgrade #3 get the smoke housing and adaptor mounted up. Sample of a Tender Chassis.
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NGS Royal Blue upgrade #3 get the smoke housing and adaptor mounted up. Sample of a Tender Chassis.
Next Gen S Royal Blue upgrade #3 has a smoke Gear to drive smoke or Puff & a digital Chuff sound.
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Next Gen S Royal Blue upgrade #3 has a smoke Gear to drive smoke or Puff & a digital Chuff sound.
Next Gen S Royal Blue chassis upgrade #3 for Rodney. 3Volts it starts on .66A w/Ball Bearings!
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Next Gen S Royal Blue chassis upgrade #3 for Rodney. 3Volts it starts on .66A w/Ball Bearings!
This video illustrates why we created the Next Generation S family of Flyer Upgrades.
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We have the components shown in this video available through Gum Road web site. The link below will take you to one of our Next Generation S Level 1 Upgrade Kits similar to the system components used in this video. Soon we will have a new video of a complete Upgrade process to help you see and understand the Next Generation S development we have completed to date. Copy this link below and past ...
Royal Blue for Rodney, ball bearings are in. Tomorrow Gill's chassis. No rest for the wicked eh!
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Royal Blue for Rodney, ball bearings are in. Tomorrow Gill's chassis. No rest for the wicked eh!
Flyer Pacific Chassis w/ ball bearings on all axles, it's so smooth, happy to pull 3 Metal Pass Cars
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Flyer Pacific Chassis w/ ball bearings on all axles, it's so smooth, happy to pull 3 Metal Pass Cars
Royal Blue chassis with ball bearing axles, is one smooth operator, 17V pulled 1A!!!
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Royal Blue chassis with ball bearing axles, is one smooth operator, 17V pulled 1A!!!
Ran out of white walls so let's print some more. If they fit. I have colors we for special engines
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Ran out of white walls so let's print some more. If they fit. I have colors we for special engines
Royal Blue gets 6 +1 ball bearing. I tired to get all the wheels mounted but didn't get them set up
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Royal Blue gets 6 1 ball bearing. I tired to get all the wheels mounted but didn't get them set up
OK you asked for it. A desktop tripod to held my phone camera steady on the close up shots of what.
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OK you asked for it. A desktop tripod to held my phone camera steady on the close up shots of what.
American Flyer Pacific chassis gets ball bearing drive axle & armature worm shaft. Is it working?
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American Flyer Pacific chassis gets ball bearing drive axle & armature worm shaft. Is it working?
American Flyer 1948 chassis gets ball bearing drive axle assembly. Does it work? Is it worth it?
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American Flyer 1948 chassis gets ball bearing drive axle assembly. Does it work? Is it worth it?
Tender getting hot so I found some skinny Blower Fans oh yeah they fit.
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Tender getting hot so I found some skinny Blower Fans oh yeah they fit.
American Flyer Drive gear assembly test kit went well.
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American Flyer Drive gear assembly test kit went well.
American Flyer drive axle assembly tools. We need to keep the gear and the axle centered so.......
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American Flyer drive axle assembly tools. We need to keep the gear and the axle centered so.......
OK it puffs smoke but maybe I cut the fan down too much. there is quite a lag t
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OK it puffs smoke but maybe I cut the fan down too much. there is quite a lag t
Puff & Chuff 2.0 is ALIVE! I suffered through this long enough. Setting up a live smoke test.
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Puff & Chuff 2.0 is ALIVE! I suffered through this long enough. Setting up a live smoke test.
Wire up the NGS Smoke system to the track power in the tender. Use a Volt Regulator, Buck Boost.
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Wire up the NGS Smoke system to the track power in the tender. Use a Volt Regulator, Buck Boost.
Puff & Chuff fixed 90%. It took days of worrying and thinking and testing and reading. Finally!!
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Puff & Chuff fixed 90%. It took days of worrying and thinking and testing and reading. Finally!!
Puff cycle decay was .8 seconds is now .2 seconds. Best. Now translate this breadboard to the PCB.
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Puff cycle decay was .8 seconds is now .2 seconds. Best. Now translate this breadboard to the PCB.
Puff pulse decay to stop was .8 second, now it like .3 to .4 seconds. so 50% reduction. Closer.
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Puff pulse decay to stop was .8 second, now it like .3 to .4 seconds. so 50% reduction. Closer.
Very busy! I would think NGS in a SIT locomotive would be something desirable. Nice that you are making parts for the 2014. Looking forward to seeing its completion and running on the layout. Does the knurling tool have any way to change the size of the knurling being done? Thank you for sharing.
The tool has three knurl tooling that can be upgraded. They run $25 to $75 each!!! But i suspect the stock ones are not hardened steel. So looks like more cost to get what i need. I have to have a way to do it all in my lab, can't count on using any shop locally. few have time for a nutter and model trains. The next challenge I see will be Linkages and Armatures. How can we get them built new so we never runout. I will find a way.
I need to re bush some diesels. I'm thinking of either turning some brass stock and making my own bushings, or seeing your video, I might put in ball bearings. That would be FUN if it's not too expensive. Where do you get your bearings and what size are they?
You start with the Axles Diameter and the wheels. I have designs and prototype Diesel Trucks with DC Magnet Fields but used Insulated Wheels instead of splitting the axle. But I will be making a new truck frame in a #D Printed part. I believe the axle is larger that the steam engine. I found my bearing in the RC world. And suggest get your measurements and then search the RC Hobby stores on line. For the Steam Axle I substitute 4mm stainless Steel axle rods. I would guess 4.5 or 5 mm may be needed to match the diesel axle. Then the challenge is to machine the truck housing to hold the new bearings. I used flanged bearing to help serve then fitment. If you drill the housing with a bottom drill bit, (Flat Tip for a squared off Hole) you may be able to press fit a unflanged bearing. I place both bearing sides in the housing then fit the axle so i assure straight and smooth rotation. If you need help let me know. I could spent a little time studying the the fit and parts required. All my Best, Dennis
@@MygrandpasTrain I just took pictures of my prototype Alco set up if you want to see it. DC Magnetic Fields, All Wheel Pick Up, and Fan driven smoke!!!! Facebook chat or email???
10lbs of (name your sustance) in a 5lb bag! Yep! That looks impressive...
I had the idea and bought a Hudson SIT but the Vintage smoke came back to life so easily I just couldn't ruin it. Traded it off for more junk. But having done it to a caboose and box car I knew it would work Best thing is NO shaking and noisy linkage. Just a low hum and smoke comes out. One day I will do it for the right engine.
Quite a bit of work to groove that chassis, am sure it’s not easy.
@@RodneyBooth-s8e not with my old back, old feet, old hands and old eyes. But I get it done. And it works. We can use these older hard make better chassis that could never support smoke. And I enjoy giving them all a new life. Anxious to get to the Prewar models. D
@@DennisMurphey understand completely about old back, old feet etc. have them myself.
You are funny with the clutter!
@@johnpetersen8116 I have cleaned up about every 6 months and it always goes bad AGAIN.
Great stuff. So interesting. I am amazed with what you are doing to these! Makes me want one. What are you using for a 3d printer? We need to get you a tripod :)
@@dougdoesstuff24 I have 2 tripods but many times I just grab my phone and record. I do try. If you search my You Tube there are lots of videos on a lot train subjects.
@@DennisMurphey Oh, I've been stalking your youtube :)
@@dougdoesstuff24 do you have a favorite? Always curious to hear what folks take away. Thanks for watching. D
@@DennisMurphey I enjoy seeing how you upgrade these old machines. Like the bearing ideas. I really like the smoke units and what you are doing to them.
do you have a link for the puff and chuff board?
Not yet I am going build 3 more boards and verify everything one last time then I can post it, It requires more inputs than anything else we do so it will be a Level 2 Upgrade.
Good idea for the ball bearing fit
It worked, growing on the farm I learned to, 'get it done' what way works.
What in the world are you wearing?
My dear wife is a trekie and Star Wars fan, so when I ruined a shirt in the basement she bought me a work apron but her idea of a joke was to get a Darth Vader look on it.
Could you use a tube cutter for the knurl?
Maybe I thought about but mine is too small.
I would love to do this . I am so impressed with the responsiveness and efficiency of the chassis you are working on!
Keep watching, you could do it.
Wonder if anyone makes this for Lionel 027? Guess the electronic board would work for Lionel O gauge but I'd have to figure a way to replace the AC field coil with magnets. Just wonder if you used neodymium (rare earth) magnets it would work better. I replaced all my HO scale Pittman (open frame) motors magnets with neodymium magnets and it made a HUGE difference in performance and current draw. Now they will "creep" down the tracks. Cheers from eastern TN
I could look at the Lionel motor but you know I came to this for Flyer when i knew it would work on all the Gilbert FLyer Engines including the Pre Wat O gauge engines. They all used the same fields size and shape was identical. So i have fit these Fields on 1939 PreWar and 1957 Post War. That's a wide span that makes sense for Flyer. I doubt Lionel motors have that life span. I want complete the Diesel DC Magnet Conversion I started 2 years ago!!!
Maybe replace the angle hair with rock wool under some new angel hair. Also time for some Margaret cleanup and organizing by the CEO! Lol! Another nice save though! Cb
The smoke box area is really small. And the Angel Hair was in fair shape and cleaned up ok. I pulled a little up from the lower chamber. At full speed and high Voltage its a smoker, hard to improve. The Heater Is the Lionel 8 Ohm heater Best one I could find.
Jumping Chemical Trails, you`ve got the modius touch.
I would love to get a junker and go through it. I just like reviving and fixing up. But sometimes you gotta make some changes. The DC Fields are a great upgrade, the Vintage Smoke works and the Lionel 8 ohm Heater helps it live a long time. But if you don't have the Vintage Flyer Smoke Housing choices are limited to add smoke. That is why we have the 3D Printed Smoke Assembly. More of that next time. Thanks for watching. If anyone has a Junker Sent it to me. I can fix them up better than new, fair pricing is 10% over parts costs. D
Awesomeness!
@@Cbtrainnut it works pretty good.
An easy way to convert an engine to be more reliable and fun !
That is the whole idea Rodney, You get it. D
Is ther any where ware i could buy oun of these
@@LondontransporduckL99 just what do you mean one of these. Completed engine, part to upgrade an engine? Dennis
@@DennisMurphey just the chassis I would love to be able to tinker with this stuff and build a 0 guage locomotive
Dennis, you sounded like you had been smoking something before you put the smoke fluid in lol!
@@Cbtrainnut no no no not at all. Just having fun.
@@Cbtrainnut Just having fun again.
Where do you get these chassis
@@LondontransporduckL99 I buy junkers or trade good engines for junkers. I find train stores and ask if they have any Flyer stuff. I have baskets for low prices but they are harder to find. Build a network, help others and they would help you.
Yes, get up there early for pizza. Smart man! Train is coming along nicely!.
How did you know, Hawaiian Pizza! D
Amazing how those old engines last , even though they have not been cleaned ! It’s nice to leave them like they were.
I never could cut up a good engine. I would fix it and trade it for 2 or 3 junkers instead. However, when you have the wirewound field issues of high heat and power waste.... I could swap the fields out and the engine is completely transformed AND fully reversable back to Classis Original Flyer. You Take care, D
What a nice gift! Those chassis most likely came out of a K5, Hudson or a Silver bullet. Those locomotives had the square end on the post of the center driver. Your D.C. field set works extremely well. Looked like 1/4 the amperage to me. The video is very informative and you have a nice link to your products. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the input Yes I was shocked but the person has been a serious supporter for some time. And they have a unique engine in my que. Very Grateful for all the inputs we get. Glad you appreciated the video, I knew what i wanted to do. I had to slow myself down using the pause button then just show the meat of the message. It worked out way better that I ever thought it would. will try to build several complete engines using all the NGS stuff we have to offer. Thank You, D
You made out on a great gift and boy does your Next Generation S components make a difference. I can’t wait. Keep it coming. 👍👍
We are building inventory for the Christmas push we hope the videos help share the value add components. It really does improve the engines performance. D
Thanks for posting all your videos. They are very instructional and inspiring!
That is my plan, these trains are so fun and when they run smooth and strong we can truly enjoy them so much more. This Kit is the most basic if your smoke is good it makes a great upgrade, not expensive and it all works! Take care, and keep watching.
Nice.
I had something like that fan on my 3D Printer and that was where I got the idea. Now I have 4 Royal Blues in a Upgrade program and will use the fan there too. It does help keep these boards cooler. D
Good luck on the build!
@@Electronzap it's close now. Should be real sharp.
What size are the bearings?
@@jockellis inside diameter is 4mm OD of the body is 8mm the flange is 9mm and about 2mm thick. I use 4mm stainless steel rod for axles. I am hand knurling the center of the gear drive shaft to lock the gear to the shaft. The wheels hubs I am peeling for a press fit and lock tight to stay put. I am hand making the axles at 20mm long and modifying the chassis to fit the bearings. I have build 2 chassis with Ball Bearings and have reworked lots of the install process with those experiences. The chassis requires drilling and chamfered for a near flush fit. Then I use bronze shims to add space between the wheel hub and the ball bearing. The rolling resistance when all three axles are ball bearings it dramatically reduced. The Pacific test chassis I have will operate at 10 to 17 volts on 1 Amp draw. It is extremely smooth on the track.
@@DennisMurphey when you said millimeter diameters I wondered how the axles fit. Then I saw that you made your own. Pretty neat.
You have been busy ! Looking really good. R
I spent the day on your chassis, once I got going I had to get the smoke Assembly setup. Its a smooth runner too.
@@DennisMurphey thank you for all your work !
Awesome model, by watching the video the noise seems to be coming primarily from the motor, the stall in the beginning showed how much the motor produces clicking noises when it "loses sync", i'd try to run the motor without the main gear to isolate that cause. Also, at 3:47 it is possible to see that the shaft has considerable play, isn't this a case where the screw type shaft can produce a force towards the motor? this could be related to resonances and engine stress and maybe a thrust bearing between the two could help. cheers on your work!
Well on further eval I added .02 inch shim, AND found the armature was being pushed back be the center wheel on one side slightly out of time. The whole drive had a slight bind at half stroke in one direction. I reclocked that wheel, added the shim and the result was a very smooth operation. Lesson learned if the armature appears to be pulsing it is likely mechanical resistance in the linkage misalignment So you were very close. Thank You, Dennis
Hauling three metal cars with no body on it? It is no slouch! Fine job. Would like to here about the old trick for the wheels that got cut off from the video. Thank you for sharing.
@@flyerjunction sure I will redo the whole axle assembly. D
My camera ran out of memory sorry about the abrupt ending. I need to learn to edit videos one day.
Holds on to the track really good for the load it’s pulling !
It runs smooth and stays straight, its a great little runner. So happy.
So much less friction with ball bearings! R
@@RodneyBooth-s8e its very rewarding when you can get aligned and rolling smooth. Can't wait to see on the Rails. Imagine the big engines when they first got roller bearing designed in to their chassis. J611
Nice progress. Where's your overhead cam? 🤢
@@alanb287 got lazy after a long day.
Wow! Any progress on determining a method to post your 3D modeling and electronic boards?
@@DennisJanssen-d9m YES! I have been a little sick but will get that uncovered very soon. Hang on. D
Nice work, a great result to the ball bearing design. I enjoy all your videos and the progress you have made. At this point, none of my engines need this modification but it is good to know that it can be done. Now, about my sluggish diesel engines.......
I want to gice this treatment to the diesels too, keep watching. D
Amazing! Could the surface be polished smooth with something like clear coat polish?
Oh yes and my good friend Andy came back with his trick for the black insulators was to print very fine layers very slow. .1 mm thick at 25mm So I had more testing to do . Not Worried F.J.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. I was looking to paint my wheels blue and have gold insulators. Is there a gold filament?
Yes I have Gold Filament if you want to see one. D
It looks good! You will be significantly reducing rolling resistance with those bearings.
That's the plan!
Super nice, I wonder if you an find masterialthat looks like steel that's how the real wheel were assembled Steel tire pressed onto cast wheel.
Like the white!
@@RodneyBooth-s8e not perfect but usable. Good save. I was out.
Looks good , hope you’re feeling better.R
Slowly very slowly
I did get the wheels installed but these new white wall insulators were awful to fit and I destroyed one. I also found a set of traction wheels that i want to replace the drive wheels with given the increased torque the engine will need all the help we can give it. So a Minor delay track test but it will be there shortly. Thank you all for watching. We have all new parts all listed for sale on Gum Road, I will add links next time. And i have several older engines to show you install the process for these new parts. Teammate Dan is building the parts and stocking up so if your interested a Christmas update package might be in order. Digital Reverse and DC Fields with adaptors are high on the list, as is our Printed Circuit Smoke Housing Lid. The All Wheel Pick Up tender trucks will improve reliability around that pesky tree too. Keep on eye out. D
Yes, this will be a big improvement! No more nausea!
Yeap
Have you thought of 3-D printing the brush holder yet. That way you can combine both styles or even improve it. With your MagnaRose… WOW!
@gtngold I had but I worried about the brush holders get too hot. But now I have PETG which has a much higher temp resistance I bet it might work. Still need an armature source to make our own motor. D
Looks better
Need to slow down and Use the Damn thing. D
OK based on feedback I ordered more bearing to complete all 4 Royal Blues with ball bearing axles and armatures. It's not the money, they cost about $1.60 each, I need to assure I have the best fitment and fastening methods, for reliable operation. So these 4 engines will be prototype testors. Before we go whole hog Let's make sure the systems hold up. Thank you all for subscribing, watching and offering your feedback. It really helps when i wake up early and am tired but know i have folks counting on my work. It is truly motivating. I even downloaded a Thingiverse Desk top Phone tripod to help my videos to be more stable for you. All the Best, keep the rolling and smoking!!! D
Interesting! How do you generate the smoke?
using the Flyer vintage method of Smoke Oil, Angel Hair, Rock Wool packing material and an 8 Ohm heater which is heated to 6v and evaporates the oil into a white smoke.
I'd be happy with it!
@@TalkingGIJoe yes it works out but. I need a life test. D
Looks Great. I’m All in. Boy was that humming!
Yes well full disclosure that was my third assembly, I ruined one set of bearings, and had the wheels on too tight. Once i found the trick and the sweet spot boy did it shine. On Engines that have the Smoke Gear its pretty easy to upgrade these three bearing locations. I have done the Brush Holder Housing but its tricky. Thanks for watching. D
@@gtngold Came to learn I need to add knurling to the replacement axle shaft. The soft metal wheel hubs are too easy to press on out of square to the shaft. And superglue alone is not enough. I have found a manual knurling tool in my budget that is not a lathe. Although now I am seeing a mini desk top lathe might be in order some day. Wheels, inserts, rims and axle knurling are all critical to good ball bearing install. Making a n inner hub for the hubs will seem required in time. Maybe even making hubs oh My the agony. I hope to get through this soon. But a recent case of shingles has me in very low gear right now. I want to the S & O engines built so badly. And adding ball bearings is a great improvement but this delay hurts me as much as you guys. I may suggest let me move on with brass bushing and send me a 2nd chassis for later. What are your thoughts. D