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Also nice set up perfectly made

Hi. Good question. I’m using the main gauge on the left (longest panel) as the feed gauge set to one board thickness. The gauge on the right is just there to keep the pile square in the feeder and it’s raised up several carton thicknesses. I also added a brake by the right feed gauge to keep the carton from wanting to pull out early on the right side.

Yeah. We have a carton that we run kind of like what you’re talking about. I would pocket fold the euro lock. That way the pocket folder forces it to fold on the crease. You’ll need a rail underneath the carton so that when the flap hits the pocket fold, there’s good support underneath. I never had any luck doing those with folding hooks. It’s hard to get the flap to fold on the crease, especially with the hole there. It usually wants to fold off the crease and in the middle of the hole instead. If you do try using a folding hook, you’ll want a hook length that is extremely short. Perhaps 1-2 mm. Just enough to grab the flap. Then use something as a ‘stop’ behind the hook so that the hook is restricted and only allowed to travel a certain amount. When the hook hits the stop, it will cause the flap to fold at the crease. It’s almost like making a pocket folder out of a folding hook and a bar. Like I say though, I’ve never had too much luck with consistency with this method. I much prefer the pocket fold method instead. It’s a lot more positive. I’ll try and get a video for you when we run it next. It might be a couple months, as we don’t run that one a lot. Watch this video that I made a while ago: ruclips.net/video/VSsR93tO4F8/видео.html I know it’s not exactly what you’re talking about and the euro lock is a lot bigger here, but it’s the same concept. You’ll just be doing it on a much smaller scale. You can make a small little pocket folder with some scrap plexiglass and metal.

@@masterfolder3155 And what if you dont have a pocket fold... i made something myself from srap but it is more like a upside down V shape thing with air coming from under and a bar on top of the carton to get some short of timing on the crease... i runs fine but sometimes misses or folds one the hole....

To be honest, I don’t know if I would’ve been able to run it without the timed air. The panel was so narrow/short that the cartons would’ve just dove into the back of the cartons in the delivery and caused a hook point. Sometimes, I can add a hold down of some sort, but that wasn’t an option with this carton. Any kind of physical restriction would’ve made the panel alignment impossible. The only thing that gave me a chance was the upper trombone belt pushing/holding that panel forward until it got under the nip rollers. This was a carton that was sent to us from another company who couldn’t get it to run on their gluers. If we could’ve, we would’ve designed it differently. Someone in another comment said to understack this carton. I don’t think they understand what was going on here. That wasn’t even close to an option.

@@masterfolder3155 Understacking will not work in this case i think, or it may work but you will be trying to get it to work for a long time and i dont know how much time you get to get something running, but not that much i guess. But we have several of this kind of small boxes on our Alpine 110 without timed air... and yes it runs, but dont ask me how... the box is not up to spec (> 45 mm long) for an Alpine 110 and it is not a easy close (dont know the english terms for a box with a edged of gluepanel /_ or a box with a rounded off edge (_of the gluepanel so you have to put the gluepanel into panel 4) Like i said i get it to run, but only when i (almost) overlap the boxes untill the transfer/stacking position and if i reduce the distance in the matic between the photocell and the stackingbelts creating a extra stoppingtime of some short, like a fall and stop.... But it still sucks haha, not to mention it will sometimes go wrong and you lose cartons....

Yeah. We are in the process of doing that. A lot of money!!!!

Guess!

@@masterfolder3155 £20p/h?

@@ryanmclaughlin587 $27.50/hr

Must be delivery “stacking” at the end.. looks like a fun job to put on the machine wtg man you did a great job

Feeding and delivery issues. We were sent this carton from another carton company because they couldn’t run it. The cut creasing was the worst I’ve ever seen. Cartons locked together like a brick. Delivery was ugly too. We ran it once in normal direction and once backwards. You can see and hear the misfeeding and doubles a few times. I’m surprised it ran this well.

We do 4/6 corners on it for the most part

Thanks for watching!

Thanks for watching!

Feeding and delivery issues. We were sent this carton from another carton company because they couldn’t run it. The cut creasing was the worst I’ve ever seen. Cartons locked together like a brick. Delivery was ugly too. We ran it once in normal direction and once backwards. You can see and hear the misfeeding and doubles a few times. I’m surprised it ran this well.

How would you have controlled the alignment? The only thing giving me a chance on that carton was using the upper trombone belt to drive forward and hold panel 2 in place until the nip rollers captured it. I didn’t have the option of driving panel 2 forward with lower trombone belt because panel 2 is shorter than panel 3 underneath it.

No. I think on this one we packed them standing up. The other option we do is flat pack them in cases and rotate the lid back and fourth.

2 people. But honestly, we only need one on that job. We just have two because that’s what we normally have catching. You can pick up a full row of 6 at a time. They aren’t printed and don’t have water based coating so they aren’t slippery and handle really well. If I could go faster I would, but the combifold on this machine maxes out at 240 m/min.

@@masterfolder3155 Not at my workplace. Unionized and a bunch of mediocre assistants who complain about the speed. Stating it’s unsafe and will create injuries. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@diehardjetsfan8870 Yeah, Man! You got that right! It’s a whole new world lately. Nobody wants to work anymore. A lot of lazy entitled kids coming into the workforce. We are doomed!

You are definitely right. This carton was sent to us from another company that couldn’t run it. We didn’t have any control over the design. It was a small run. I just wanted to get it through. The problem with using a brush with this carton is that there’s no way to push/pull the left panel forward for alignment and using a brush would only pull the left panel back even more. Using the upper trombone belt to help assist driving forward the left panel wouldn’t work because the lower the upper trombone belt, the more the carton wants to dive into the hook point. Also, the left panel was so short that there was an extreme hook point for stacking. Only way was to push it down intermittently with timed air. I agree, the design was simply stupid. It’s no wonder they couldn’t run it and sent it somewhere else. Yeah! We’ve ran cartons with angled creases for helping alignment. I know what you’re talking about in the ABC book. I’ve been operating since 2004. Strictly Bobst.

Absolutely!

Ok, Brother! I’ll keep that in mind. I know it’s difficult to see what’s happening sometimes when the machines are running so fast. It’s all a blur. Thanks for watching!

I didn't know you can run 4 corners at that speed that's very impressive

Right Bro! Thankfully my company keeps pretty good care of tue equipment. Both them and our operators. Yeah, there’s no way to accomplish these speeds working on a pile of junk for a machine. Bobst is very expensive, but I’ve learned you gotta pay to play in this industry. We are a mid sized company always being threatened to be snuffed out by the large competitors with multiple plants and their own mills. So the only way to try and stay afloat is to run fast. To be honest, I’m bored with running fast. I like the complex, difficult setups now. It’s more of a challenge and something new. Time goes faster.

Yeah. It’s alright on long runners and cheap cartons that the customer doesn’t care if there’s marks and ink burned off the fronts of the cartons from feed gauges and delivery. If that does matter, then we are running slower.

Wow Bro!!! Yeah. We had a staudemaster before I started over 17 years ago. I heard nothing but nightmare stories about that machine. The operators said that the comb feed was a pain in the ass. It always needed adjustment to the retards, etc. I briefly ran a staude gladiator window machine with comb feed. It wasn’t fun. Lol.

ruclips.net/video/NgKnrggXvf4/видео.html Check out this other video of mine. I’m running a different 4 corner at 37k per hour. Backfold speed is maxed out or I would’ve went faster. Lol.

Yeah it was definitely an art to setting those retards. And running those machines well had a lot to do with being in tune to sounds it was making. I also ran and made ready an international right angle machine. Like the staude it worked off of timing. The feeder was a vacuum pull feed. Ran a lot of big eflute auto bottoms and six corner jobs on that. I worked in the industry from 96 to 06. Started when I was 18 had the knack to run old machines and jumped a lot of more experienced operators who couldn't make ready or run them. Lol. Also ran an old staude window machine. Working those comb feeds was laborious and hard physically. Watching your vids is neat and nostalgic. I miss doing the make readies and tweaking thr machines. Running them not so much, too boring. Would love to see make ready vids on those newer machines. Thanks for posting these vids I enjoy them. Watched thst str8 line auto pack at 100k an hour. Awesome.

Yeah. I’ve been operating since 2006. So I basically started when you stopped. Lol. But yeah, we had International Speed Kings, right angle, gladiator, staudemaster. That all went away right around the time I started. We kept them for several years and ran them here and there, but when I started is when all the new equipment was bought. Bobst Domino’s, Alpina, Masterfold, Heiber Schröder window machine, etc. The timing was right when I started. Like you, I jumped over all the operators and assistants and took off running with it all. I agree with you. It’s boring running them now. I love setting them up and tweaking them, etc, but the long runners are boring. I’ve been wanting to work for Bobst as a field service technician for many years. I just never do it. I don’t know why. Anyways, nice talking to you. Thanks for checking out my videos. I’m always trying to put stuff up. I have to be careful because my company wouldn’t like it if I put up existing jobs. That’s why it’s a lot of plain cartons or old accounts. I have so many videos over the years. Anyways, take care!