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Someone calling a meeting "tomorrow at 9am" sounds horrible too 🙂

I wholeheartedly agree. And I'd further add that when you're leaving a company (by your own decision or otherwise), always decline to do an exit interview. Be polite (or silent), but just don't do it. There is never an upside to the employee--HR is not going to give you your job back, and they're not going to give you a raise or remove your manager. At best, if you're lucky, HR will receive the exit interview neutrally. However, any information obtained can and may be used against you. It's not worth it. Just say thanks but no thanks, and move on.

I learned a lot in this job and genuinely like my sup. But body blow #1 was when their insurance no longer covered my area. Got to travel 2 hours round trip for medical care. Ah, well. Signed up for a virtual job fair for a nationwide employer that will cover my area. I still can telecommute, and the office is three blocks down from where my reporting office is now. As someone said PIP = paid interview period😂

In last March, I was placed on a PIP for the first time. I was very shaken by it and I tried to do better in my job. Unfortunately I lost the job a month later. I'm currently still struggling to get a job right now.

let them fire you then collect unemployment

This one I find interesting. You are a huge proponent of not having useless meetings. So if we know the outcome before the meeting begins, why are we meeting? I know I'm probably being too black and white here, so what am I missing?

HR's are good for nothing ...

When ur junior is more talented then this situation arises their is never a performance issues it’s just making employees silently resign job😂😂

A PIP is your company giving you 30-60 days notice of your termination!

Yes because the people who already may be feeling betrayed or abandoned by the company and maybe doesn’t trust them is gonna wanna trust them or just trust someone else with their personal belongings…if I’m not coming back I’m not leaving them and if they’re mine then the company nor anyone at the company should be touching what’s personally mine…that to me is a violation…most people don’t like strangers or coworkers touching their personal belongings as far as I know

Just like a hoover vacuum cleaner

So true

Did you apply this on some company? I agree with the concept but thinking this "we are going to discuss this issue tomorrow at 9, be there if you care" demand a huge maturity from everybody

Hey Chris, quick question. I am in the United States. A couple months ago I ended up quitting my job while on a pip. If you could please answer whether my former employer would reveal to the new employer about the pip during background/reference check? I’m worried that a pip would hurt my chances of landing my next role.

Always perfect..thanks

Perfect

Don't you worry about <BLANK>. Let me worry about <BLANK>.

i had a job where it was on avg 35-40 meetings a week(not a typo), complete waste of time, including two meetings a week with all of the analysts and leadership which was 25-30 people , a weekly team meeting and a one on one as well

agreed! especially with more physical labor-based jobs, like why are you pulling me away from my work to tell me something in 40 minutes that a piece of paper couldve done in 1!

Love this! I hadn't thought of this distinction before.

Great information! The one caveat I have found is ensuring the individual is ready and open to receiving the feedback before you provide it. Especially if it's constructive.

I didn't want to believe this when my boss put me on one 7 days prior to my paternity leave. I went to work immediately and found a job with a $15k salary increase + $5k bonus for sign-on. Looking forward to returning after my paternity leave and telling him to go fuck himself with a ribbed ladle.

actually, HR are the cops of company. it is unwise to trust them!

Worst Manger I had was the one I recently had. He makes himself “bigger” than he really is. He constantly would tell me I needed to fix things and do better but never would help be succeed. I think the bigger issue though I had is that he constantly compares the company with his past experiences ,, I feel it is understandable for a while, but if you been with the company for a few years, then you dont need stop comparing the eggs.

I was put on a PIP after 20 years of service , 6 months ago, i worked my butt off to get off of it, and “succeeded “ but,,, I always felt that I was still being watched, judged,, etc.. never supported by my boss, just yesterday they pulled me back in the office and gave me a choice of being demoted or termed,, I chose to be demoted,, only because I need a job,,but I really feel conflicted about it, I will never feel good about being there anymore. I know I will never feel “liked” anymore , will never feel confident .

You spying on me? I’ve seen all this toxic behavior throughout my career and vowed not to be that guy.

Kabe Termes and Alden Jones 10000%

Often your being micro managed cos your doing f all

Sometimes people need to be micromanaged

Over here, micro-management or performance-management is a tool to get an employee out of the business. It's incredibly hard to get rid of someone under current employment law. So if you're in New Zealand, skip to step 3, then have a look at yourself in the mirror.

I don't have a boss like that, but my mum is kinda like that. I got out of it by just doing what was told to me perfectly, to the point she couldn't micromanage me. "go do this already done. have you done this? yes. are you sure. sure. then do that also done. when? yesterday. did you do it in that way? yes mam, all of it." she never bothered me again.

In another short a Manager said she really liked macro-managing as a managing technique... Maam that's not how that works

Don't do the first one, it makes everything worst. Do just the second one.

Passive aggressive much?

Aw yes, passive aggressiveness…

"sometimes, they don't know" This actually applies in a lot of places. Tell people about behaviour that's bothering you, or wrong. Decent people make mistakes too. Don't assume the worst

this is genius, i wish i would have done this to my old manager. he would have lost his mind

haha I did this to a master seargent who tried to power trip on me and my buddy while we were doing base security. We ruined not only his entire day, but entire week, and almost got him put up on charges. We radioed him every 5 minutes updating him on the useless crap he asked us to get done untill he literally snapped and started yelling at peopl ehigher up than him. It was so sweet.

you forgot the step where you just quit

Better still, don't flood them with notes. Flood them with meeting requests. A new meeting for every single tiny little insignificant point you need to update them on.

Never understood micro-managers. If you don't trust me to do my job, why did you hire me? We're all adults here, please let me work.

That second one actually helped me one time.

I had a boss explain to me that it’s important that someone micromanage everyone in the office… I no longer work there lol

U just sounded like me

How to reply after they answer on “the attribute of the role “

Ten years ago I was called on the carpet for my job performance. Then I was put on a PIP. I didn't get to work on it much, because I was laid off one week later due to a sudden staff reduction! Three years later the company tried to recruit me back!

If it’s worth saying, it’s worth repeating.

Sounds like complaining about complaining to me...

I fucked up on my negotiation. I'm really really bad at it. I just took the first package they offered. Now I feel really stupid.

What males are getting cold job offers in business roles these days?