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It's like 2002.

Ff damage vs mages also needs a hard nerf..especially thursar damage.

Likewise...Footies should not be able to kill geared players with starter swords or crap tier weapons.

Whem a mage kill a melee he just give the shit gear to a alied melee, whem u kill a mage as mage you just ignore hes gear becouse u probably dont use it, each mage have you self set

Fighter complains about mages and mages complains about fighter. In my opinion, only the player is the problem. You always want what you don't have. I wish players start adapting instead of complaining. And those who are adapting are called "no skill".

The whole problem is sheevras. Everything else is fine. If sheevras are going to get insane mobility they need their magic nerfed, just as veela melee is nerfed. Take 25 or 30% off alvarin magic and the problem is largely solved.

if mages where so strong you would see clans running mages only ricking havoc on every roam yet you don't see that, you see thurs doing it. hmmmm wonder why is that...

RPK member here was a fun fight and a fun first siege (atleast first siege in mo2 for me)

A lot of players switch to everything called out as the "op flavour if the month build". No one of these switched/stayed naked dex mage. Case closed. Its not op.

another god mode thursar request,whats new? rock, paper, scissors,naaa smorck beats all me smorck me need faster, stronger tankier, me need that me smorck

i dont think that melees have to buy 20-30k spellbooks every patch when a new magic school releases and stuff is giga expensive for 3-6 months. the upfront investment of a fighter char is by far lower. and tbh, there is also reptile/heavy carapace to play. comparing to steel isnt realistic in the first place cause this isnt a throw away set. and then.... everyone is free to invest in psy. but the weapon based magic sounds rly cool, i like the idea. but they would need to have very low stat req of a max of 30 or playing mages would not be possible anymore. u cant build a mage with 80 str..... or 60....

Bro people will cry about anything huh

I wish wolf armor was coming soon

mages were fine before mastery the biggest issue is that you cant interrupt them anymore and they can just sit back with a tower shield and spam heal takes 3 thursars to kill 1 mage. the armor they have now is crazy as well a mage had kallard banded made out of pansar with a tower shield and was getting hit for nothing, 66 blunt defence no penalty at all for the mage and the tlash for like 60+. the cost to tlash is what like 20 silver lol while a full steel set and weapon is like 300g and the time it takes to farm steel whether you grind risars for grain steel or mine it is like 10 hours versus going to a vendor and buying it. i thought the plan was to make it so mages had to go out and gather reagents and the vendor thing was only supposed to be for testing no? the argument that mages need to invest more than melee players regarding spells and spell books makes no sense the cost for a spell book with greater heal, fulminate, flame strike, and thunderlash is like 50g and the reagents to cast said spells is like 1g for plenty of casts risen pets are also kinda lame where they are, they take nowhere near as much time invested as a normal tamer but the pets are so much more tanky imo. risen shouldnt be healable with the greater heal and lesser since one is a light/holy spell and they are unholy/evil it should be less effective or a vampiric heal altogether (death hand?)

My two Cents: Cent 1: Why are Dex Mages naked? Because it doesn't matter if you get hit naked or with light Armor, you are dead anyway. That's more an Armor Problem. Even Flakestone Weapons are deadly and they are also not expensive. Cent 2: A Footie can just grab an Armor and a Weapon from the Battlefield and is 100% ready to fight again. Mages need very specialised Reagents depending on their Build in different Amounts. Try to get exactly what you need from the Battlefield to be 100% ready again.

You know what obliterates naked dex mages? Hunter lizards and lynxes. Even a freshly risen lynx with an amethyst gem. They can't run away, and they die in a few hits. That's an 8 gold investment to destroy a naked mage, and you just need to hit one button to do it.

So as someone with 2000+ hours on footies (Veela, Ogh, and Thursar), and 2000+ hours on mages (skeletal Sheevra and human fat mage), there are several things to address. Mages require LOTS of gold to prepare for PVP. A fully loaded spellbook costs ~6000 gold. That's just to be able to fight. For someone who is new to the game, who has to grind PvE for gold, that makes starting a mage prohibitively expensive, and extremely difficult, because fighting bandits as a mage with only Ecumenical spells and no mastery is brutal, and you're going to die a lot (both to PvE AND players, often footies). You don't get efficient at PvE farming until you get Elementalism, and elemental intensification raised to 80 for static charge. So that's ~1200g one bandit at a time, before you're able to start efficiently grinding PvE for gold. For the books alone to unlock these spell schools, and ritualism, that's another ~2000g. And then you need to get into mastery to get your 100% concentration, otherwise you're still extremely vulnerable. Then, while reagents are relatively cheap, some like spirit boxes, are not. Sure, it's not a set of steel armor, but you need one in every loadout, and the ability to get those for yourself is locked behind a scroll that costs a stack of gold. And that's just the cost if you're going to be a naked Sheevra. Decent armor for a Sheevra (which you need if you're team fighting or dungeon fighting against any decent group) requires armor, which comes from crafting books that are additionally thousands of gold, and then scales aren't cheap. Pansar scales are very expensive. I've seen tower shield brought up again in this comment section, and decent tower shields (steel+) are EXPENSIVE. A sheevra mage wearing respectable gear with a tower shield to toggle so as to not get utterly rocked by a Veela popping clades, is about half that of a footy in steel. The only difference is that the mage already spent 10,000g to get to the point where they are as PVP viable as the footy. I'm not even going to talk about pets and their gear, because the costs of maintaining combat ready pets would intimidate and confuse the Thursars who eat them for lunch. Mages pay their dues upfront, and they get chapter rekits later. The only way to address this imbalance directly would be to completely change how mages get their spells, unlock magic schools, level those magic schools, and it would require changing so many fundamental things about the game that it would waste (at star vault's pace) years of development time, just so that, footies feel better about fighting mages? The same is true for completely rebalancing magic around magic weapons and gear, for the sole purpose of making magic more expensive. However, as someone who has played footies as long as I've played my mages, there is an issue. It's very hard for Thursars, Oghmirs, or Human footies to meaningfully interact with dex mages. Non-Veela footies simply cannot catch them, and they have no way, other than bows, to try to fight against them (and bows, as we all know, are largely worthless in pvp outside this scenario, and killing horses). Rather than nerfing mage costs or trying to restructure the game in a misguided attempt to make it harder to be a mage, we should ADD to the game, meaningful ways for footies to interact with mages. Longbows already obliterate naked mages, but it's extremely hard to hit shots against a tiny running/jumping frame. We should introduce crossbows, with a faster projectile travel speed. Another cool addition would be some sort of shield to absorb some amount of magic damage, though it would be difficult to implement this without nullifying the effectiveness of mages. Perhaps you can't sprint with this shield out, or perhaps it's effectiveness scales with psyche, or maybe it makes the magic damage deal stamina damage instead, until you're out of stamina. Poisons is another thing that has been confirmed as "coming to the game," but nobody knows when. Poisons can help to address this as well. There can be a poison to apply to a bow that applies a corrupt effect, or one that has a similar drain effect to mental leech, but instead of returning mana to a caster, the poison just consumes the mana, etc.... However, the last thing the game needs is more nerfs. The afk pet leveling nerf, followed by the living pet nerf, saw the game population drop by ~25% on average, (though sever stability issues and performance issues also contributed). But I know several people who stopped playing because many pets just aren't fun anymore. Additionally, one point to address is that many of the people we see being very vocal in support of nerfing mages, have also said things like "remove magic from the game," or "magic should be a support only playstyle, and not viable for solo play," and other things of the sort. I've seen footies say things like "if I get into melee range against a mage, I should win every time." Many of the people crying for mage nerfs are people who don't think mages should be a fun or playable class in the game, and they would prefer to never have to deal with or interact with mages, so that they can live their pvp fantasy and 1v50 the zerg and never die ever again. But mages take skill to play in any competent way, and like it or not, they're meant to be as viable in both pvp and over as footies, and thats GOOD. If they nerf mages to make it less viable or even more difficult or more expensive than it already is, that's going to remove a core pillar of gameplay, and your going to lose a lot of players. Instead of making mages worse, give slow footies an offensive option against mages, and give them a defensive option against mages, but when doing so, understand that footies can kill most mages in just a few attacks. Veelas don't need additional mage killing tools, but Thursars essentially die to dex mages with no chance at fighting back, and there needs to exist some meaningful counterplay for the Thursar.

As a casual player lower gear cost was one of the reasons I chose the mage 'class'. It's good to have such an option and shouldnt be consired a negatieve thing. Besides even as mage there are gear tiers and trinkets are just as expensive.

The Problem never was anything other then skelly mages. Balance skelly mages and the issue is 90% gone. Runnikg faster then everyone having the smallest hitbox and doing high spell damage for next to no cost together is the problem. So nerf damage for skelly mage. Cap the int at 100. See how that unfolds balance again if needed

1) Mage reagents are equal to JUST a weapon or some bandages/potion most of the time (especially when you include spirit boxes). It is just a mage's damage and healing, not their defense. So measure it JUST against a melee weapon. The costs even out when you look at it like that. 2) A melee user doesn't need armor to fight a mage, the armor is for melee. So all a melee really needs is a weapon. When fighting a mage, you can take it off, and it changes nothing. Yes, you're more likely to be at risk of physical damage when you're in melee range, but that is the nature of your damage type. The armor is for fighting other physical types, you don't need it to fight a mage. So again, melees do not need armor to deal with a mage, so the complaint that it is unfair, well.. Not when stood toe to toe with a mage. You could spend less than a mage and kill a mage as a melee. Mages also have to wear armor to survive melee attacks, so they're in the same boat. The only difference is the nature of the damage type. One is close range but requires less aiming and can put out more dps. One is ranged and requires more aiming, and puts out less DPS. One is resisted by psyche, the other by buying armor. As you said in the video, it is rock paper scissors. I think a lot of people just can't accept they're at a MASSIVE disadvantage against certain roles, and that is how it is supposed to be. Like, veelas are the bane of mages, just as mages are the bane of thursars.

Being a Mage is not cheap at all, the spellbook cost several 1000 to fill and you also need scribing, this too is so expensive. Then you have the cost of a good mage armor that is not cheap eather. I think the price for mage an a warrior is perfect. But the idea of a mage weapond like a wand or a staff insted of regen i kind of like that alot :P

honestly i would swap reagens for craftable wands ( beter spels need beter quality wands ? ) -- some spells i dont ewen use since geting reagent for sub optimal damage is cancer -- example i like the look of thous cristal spikes from ground but geting rock crystals for something that do 2 damage to person that run straight to it. Let alone loosing that reagent when zou die to ambush is just pure cancer to use

Wow! Great video - and yes a great guild - I can totally recommend Wolfszeit!

banger of a video

Death hand needs a nerf either by removing tower shields from mages or the heal effect. Many mages are diving into melee range and spamming people because they know the shield negates a lot of damage. Flamestrike hits for big damage so a cooldown between casts for a few seconds would be a good nerf so it’s not spammable. Shock has too much range and can kill people in a few hits, needs shorter range and longer cast time.

I would Remove the + int if you go skelly to Balance them out. No Reason to Hit Hard asf and be the fastest. You wana Hit Hard? Go bulg / obese. Want to be fast asf? Go skelly

I already gave Henrik a solution like a year ago and every few months I spam him to remind him. Basically let alchemists make potions like speed potions, magic resists, stone skin potions etc etc. drink one of these and it will take all your thirst so you can’t use a heal pot for a while so there’s a trade off. It will def make fights more interesting and bring back life to the alchemy skill

There are tons of misconceptions here. Your steelsword is not more expensive than a full set of high end reagents. Also the "normal damage" of a Thursar is way higher than the "normal damage" of anything else. No need for a steel sword, incisium maul works fine. If its not a fatty with a towershield, the bow that costs as much as a single earthquake will also do the trick. As it is right now even Spurt does the trick since it simply denies casting. Maybe Thursars should try to get a little creative with their builds and stop making meta-DUELISTS! . Magic damage in general is much lower than physical damage (especially with Thursars) so the few points in psy, 6% magic resistance from mastery and 10%(!) Elemental defense are worth it.Thursars get magic resistance and elemental resistance from their clades on top of that aswell. So a NAKED Thursar Kallard can easily get about 35-%40% magic resistance (resist chance not included) If people decide to go for miniscule amounts of slash defense and a few cm taller character instead, thats on them. Magic reflect potions are also very easy to craft. And maybe, maybe you could put the video into the context of the meta, which BTW is Quad Tindremic Thursars with 90psy that basically cant be killed with magic.

SOLUTION GIVE GARMENTS STATS IN RESIST MAGIC THIS WILL MAKE MELEE CAN COUNTER MAGES

Heavy armor more effective on close combat like dungeon And Leather for Open world Garments NO USE at all!

Muchas cosas deberian re ajustarse y balancear. Excelente juego y como siempre excelente video.

Why did you not bring out the cost of leveling a mage, getting all the spells for the spellbook etc? Mage is a upfront cost, its annoying as fuck, obviously they should have some upsides. Veela footie kills mages, MA kills mages. There are so many footies, why the hell are they whining about this shit again?

Where is the video asking for spider nerfs or the video explaining how mounted combat should be nerfed so fights can go to the ground where they belong?

spell dmg being based off make scaling off inteligence lower for spells and remove reagents. make it so you NEED a wand/staff to cast spell. make staff/wand melee dmg scale off INT or dex instead of str

I think the mage gameplay is harder ,because u need very good skills in positioning, mana & cast time management while as a fighter u need only to close the gap and spam attacks.. also, if SV add Staffs as you said, the mages will be even stronger because will be able to block and parry using those staffs without the need of switching weapon 😅😅

Bone tissue longbow counters naked mages the last I played which, if we are considering cost as an issue, becomes moot. The issue is if you have three Thursar with bone longbows they can't do the same gank damage to someone geared in the same way three mages can. Though, three Thursar with Molarium mauls could... its really hard to say but perhaps the real change that's needed is decreasing the fizzle chance resistance on damage offered by the concentration skill. *Edited because I felt like my point was worded weird and I also forgot to mention I've mained mage in mo1 and 2

As soon as a footie has to pay 100-5000g for a spell or a book to learn how to cast that spell, then spend 4-12 hours casting spells that cost 5g each to cast just to get your level up high enough so it doesn't fizzle. Then we can talk about gear. Till then fk right off a cliff. You as a melee fighter can do everything yourself. You dont need a party of 5-10 just to get a spell for necromancy or spiritism. Most melee fighters don't look at the up front cost and time needed to make a mage.

Mages sorta suck, That's why you bring mostly foot fighters to team fights

Fighters have a massive advantage in how ready they are for combat. Mages have to find and scribe spells and bring these reagents with them. Steel isn't that hard to come by nor is incisum or reptile carapace armor. A Warrior can come out of Haven with a day or so of tasks and be ready to bang out competitively while the mage is still spending ALOT of money filling out their spellbook. Mages are also much weaker in defenses most of the time. In a 1v1 situation Warriors have the advantage most of the time.

complete bullshit, a normal purchase of a mage for pvp costs 2-3 times more than for melee. Considering that even a maximally equipped mage lives in battle for a maximum of 4 hits (without a tower shield), then melee players need to shut up until the developers pay attention to this imbalance

have a problem with naked mages? get a bow. Naked mages (Rat mages) are annoying to deal with but are far from effective.