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Not wrong about GRF, but wrong in failing to recognize ball position changes everything, you said it in your comment, they are scientists, physicists, and PHDs, not instructors. Thanks for the watch and best of luck!

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@HVR5567 maybe he watched it, or may have missed the point of it or didn’t understand the intention of the video.

Hey Steven, the measurements are nothing new in the golf swing, TPI has been doing this for 20 years. The thing I am not a fan of with Mike is he can be condescending and seems to reveal a fairly basic concept as if it was scripture, I don’t think he is doing this on purpose but I have heard him at our PGA meetings and he did the same thing. The one main thing he completely overlooked is ball position, and you can take all the measurements and make adjustments in setup you want, but if that ball position isn’t correct to your measurements, it throws off all forces. That to me is more basic knowledge than measurements, and the fact he completely disregarded it concerns me which is why I made those points. All respect to Mike, but maybe he assumed since he was talking to pga instructors they already knew, but it should have been mentioned as it’s on RUclips and it’s irresponsible (in my opinion) to not address that knowing average golfers would watch.

@@liongolfacademy I learned about the importance of ball position from many videos on your Lion Golf Academy website... and also to avoid a forward press of the hands at address.

@stevenvig927 💯 thanks Steven!

The point of the video started as a watch along but that was so boring, and I’m not a fan of how condescending Mike is with people at times, and knowing me I would have shifted focus to this. He gives a 15 minute speech to pga instructors about forces and completely misses ball position in the video which can and will dramatically affect the forces. Sorry if it was confusing (the point of the video) but it is what it is 😂.

I agree with Mike's attitude. I do think for golf instruction to improve in the modern age we do need more whistle blowing. Sometimes I think coaches are protected species where they can say whatever they like and other coaches just put their heads down. Keep up the good work

@martynzl appreciate it!

Thank you I appreciate that it is a tough subject! Thanks for the watch

Sounds like to me you need a 2 week getaway to tattooine

Yes 🙌 the instruction world is trying to paint Mona Lisa’s using a toothpick.

@@liongolfacademy lol yes 👍😂

Thanks HVR! Appreciate the watch and commen t

Thanks Joe! Yes the bottom line is you can break any athletic motion down to physics and it becomes overwhelming. I fear this is the direction that golf instruction is going. It needs to go the other way, it is just an athletic motion, and we need to teach the basic fundamentals to promote these natural occurring things. If you can throw a ball, you can swing a club. We are not out here trying to break down the physics of a child throwing a plastic ball, so why do we have to get so detailed in golf. It is just a game..... lol

Hey Milton, thanks for the line suggestions! Yes it is amazing the quality of shots he pulls off with his swing. It should give many hope, and also open many eyes to the fact that positions can be overrated, we just have to work with what we were given and make the best of that motion without a total overhaul of our natural motions.

I don't enjoy doing virtual lessons as I did a experiment about 1 year ago on this channel where I asked for 6 volunteers to do a 6 week program with me once a week to see the improvements. So much is lost in translation, its better than nothing, but I don't feel right charging for that. So instead I offer a free Sunday live session here on RUclips at 6:00pm pst. If you want to send me your face on and down the line videos I can take a look and try to educate you and those watching on your cause and effect.

💯 you got it!

Yeah doc it really is an investment to get better. BUT it’s also a great easier way to improve if you invest a little time in the short game

Great to hear Iroc thanks for stopping by

One of the best! Thanks for stopping by!

I did a swing evaluation on Moe a few years ago on this channel, it may interest you. Surprising to find out he may not be 1 plane at all!

In relation to his turn its compact, he sets very little angle at the top, this was discussed towards the end of the video of why he does this. Thanks for the watch!

@@liongolfacademy interesting. i know that the camera will make things look tricky. it just looks like he gets into positions my body can't possibly do!

Likewise! Yes it’s impressive that he is able to do! If I tried that I would be in hospital.

Yeah it sounds highly suspicious to me. I’ve done about 30k hours of privates and that is quite a lot already, it’s hard to think someone has done 5x more. Unless he is some of vampire or he is counting 15 minute tuneups, or groups. Who knows 🤷

It’s hard to say with any certainty. Tiger is a product of his perfectionism, without his constant need to improve and learn he would not be Tiger in the first place. He won exactly the amount of majors he was destined to! Thanks for watching.

@@liongolfacademy I can say with 100% certainty that if he wouldn't have changed his swing from the 2000 era he would have passed Jack long ago in majors and won many more majors and regular tour events. You also have to remember the tournaments he wasn't competitive in at all while he was transitioning in these different swings. He would have been trouncing everybody during those periods instead of wasting time messing with his swing.

@@joel-s4w8x Unless you have a DeLorean and a flux capacitor your guess is as good as it gets...just a guess. He is exactly where he is today because it actually happened, everything else is just fantasy. No one can say anything else, all we can do it respect his decision as that is what made Tiger, Tiger. Its like saying if Jordan got drafter to Portland, he would have 0 rings. None of it matters although its fun to pretend what could have been.

Thanks for the suggestion I will certainly add this to the list! Keep an eye out for it!

It’s not knowledge .. but an experience I’m selling 😂

Yes it is quite possibly so! I would have to see his swing to confirm that but it would not surprise me, good catch! Thanks for watching

Yes I am creating them while I can. Thanks for watching!

Thanks 🙏. Yes let me put it in the pipeline! It will most likely be Friday, or at the latest next week! Appreciate it!

All great suggestions! Love them

Joe that’s why this is here! For golfers who are fed up or struggling with understanding their movements. I appreciate the watch and support

😂 may have to throw that one up

Appreciate you brother and thanks for the suggestion

I guess the main thing to remember is there are no certain positions you “have to hit” at any certain time, there are ideal positions depending on your ability and range of motion. We are all bound to those individual fundamentals in our own unique golf swing. There is little that the best in the world share other than spine angle retention at impact and certain fundamentals.

@@liongolfacademy I wish more RUclips coaches would say what you just said. It seems that they all want you to "look" a certain way, as if they were more focused on style rather than substance. Thanks for the response. Love your videos.

@ Appreciate it! I am thankful for your involvement in the channel and let me know if I can help in any way, I love ideas for videos!

Thank you so much for the kind words! Appreciate the comment and watch

Yes I have always been a fan of David. He was hot for that small window when he was taking on Tiger.

😂 glad to stuck to the very end to catch that one! Thanks IROC!

Its just like fashion man! Our old swing from 20 years ago are coming back in style! One more go around and 60 years later they will be back in style yet again! You can Frankenstein me back alive and I can go on tour then.

Ohhh maybe we can get it to be “Gorbachev Red” when you wrote code red, I right away thought of that movie with Sean Connery where he played that Russian submarine captain in Hunt for Red October

@@liongolfacademy how about crazy Ivan red. A crazy Ivan is the submarine suddenly navigating in a circle to clear its baffles. Whenever you draw a circle it could be in crazy Ivan red and show a picture of Sean Connory in his Russian Sub uniform from the movie

@ lol love it! Great talk people! Crazy Ivan it is!!

You can send the face on and down the line to info@liongolfacademy.com

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"how bad he's been since changing" That is the King of relative terms. Bad for Tiger still means multiple majors.

@@Nogame7_Cards doesn’t make it any less sad to watch the decline. He still had the Harmon hangover with Haney. Seeing him so dominant was an inspiration. Would have been great to continue to watch.

It’s so hard so say would have could have as we don’t know. I will say this, it is a part of Tigers personality, his constant need to absorb the knowledge of those around him, once he absorbs all he can, he is off to the next. It’s what made him Tiger. So to be Tiger, that part comes with the territory. If he did not have that to start with he wouldn’t have made the tour. He is a perfectionist, and is a double sided blade. You can’t have one without the other, so…Tiger has exactly the amount of majors Tiger has. He is where is needs to be.

@Blingem14 believe me I do agree 100%! Foley is a coaching disaster. I think it set him back HUGE!

@@liongolfacademy disagree

😂 thanks! We’ve unfortunately share that in common as golfers.

Hey! So I do have it but I get copywrite struck in them now which is why I don’t them anymore. I’m sorry 😞

Maybe he meant minutes? 😂

😂 indeed.. the dreaded rabbit hole

his secret is at impact. infact its abrupt end. More like everything a punch shot

He does a great job compensating the same over and over. Thanks for the comment and watch!

No problem Thomas! Good luck and let me know how it all goes

Sorry I’ll do my next video in sign language and have brail of the text sent to your house.

Appreciate it! Thanks for the watch