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Camera and film reviews, and behind the scenes of working at a film lab. Learn how we develop, scan and process C41 color film, Black and White, and E6 slide film, for the modern film photographer. We want to help you shoot more film, more often by sharing our knowledge one roll at a time. thefindlab.com/
The brand new ROLLEI 35AF!
It's here! The brand new Rollei 35 AF. We've been waiting for this camera and finally got our hands on it. Can it live up to the expectations of a new film camera in 2024?
In this video, Harrison from theFINDlab takes the camera out for a spin and compares it side by side with his classic ROLLEI 35 S.
From hands-on loading, to testing the autofocus and flash, we dive into the pros and cons of the new ROLLEI 35AF. We share our thoughts on lens quality, handling, and how it compares to other film cameras in the same price range. Curious about the new features like LiDAR focusing, DX coding, and that signature 35mm lens? Is the new version worth the $800, or does the old classic still hold up...
In this video, Harrison from theFINDlab takes the camera out for a spin and compares it side by side with his classic ROLLEI 35 S.
From hands-on loading, to testing the autofocus and flash, we dive into the pros and cons of the new ROLLEI 35AF. We share our thoughts on lens quality, handling, and how it compares to other film cameras in the same price range. Curious about the new features like LiDAR focusing, DX coding, and that signature 35mm lens? Is the new version worth the $800, or does the old classic still hold up...
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Rashod Taylor & Lisa Elmaleh Teach Us to Make Tin Types!
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The next workshop will be hosted May 2-5, 2025 in Provo Utah! Register here: www.lisaelmaleh.com/rashod-lisa-utah-wet-plate-fun-time Join us for an inside look of theFINDlab's first-ever wet plate collodion workshop! Taught by award winning photographers Rashod Taylor and Lisa Elmaleh-this event brought together photographers from all over to learn, experiment, and create stunning tintypes and ...
It's Time to Replace this Mural.
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Support our Kickstarter: kck.st/3IO2XiX There is currently a mural on the west side of the space we’ll be moving into. However, this mural depicts a revisionist version of history that does not align with our mission or our values. As part of our project, we will be replacing this mural with one that embodies inclusivity and welcomes everyone to our space and community. We’re thrilled to announ...
We’re Building a Public Darkroom, Photo Studio, and Gallery.
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Our Kickstarter Is Live: kck.st/3IO2XiX This is a project 18 months in the making. theFINDlab has been processing film for over a decade. We want to give back to the community that has supported us for so many years by providing a new creative space for everyone. This new creative space will contain a public darkroom, daylight photo studio, art gallery, camera repair, film retail store, and fil...
The FIND Lab's Film Photography Gift Guide 2023!
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We've handpicked 8 gifts that will delight any film enthusiasts. Discover the perfect gift for the film photographer in your life (even if that photographer happens to be you). We also make some film photography themed sugar cookies. The Links: Funsaver: thefindlab.ecwid.com/Kodak-Funsaver-One-Time-Use-Camera-w-Flash-27-EXP-p138681853 Gold 120/35: thefindlab.ecwid.com/KODAK-c132880756?keyword=g...
So...Harman Made A New Color Film.
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Phoenix 200 Available Now at The FIND Lab: thefindlab.ecwid.com/HARMAN-Phoenix-200-p610056260 This is a punchy, colorful stock with a ton of character. There's nothing quite like it. If you're strictly a pro film photographer, this isn't for you. But if you want something a little less conventional (the negatives are purple!), give HARMAN Phoenix a shot. “This is a brand new, completely unique ...
Capturing Ghosts with SPECTER 400 Film
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Viewer Discretion Advised: This video may be too spooky for some audiences. Join The FIND Lab as we embark on a journey into the unseen and discover some Photography tricks and treats at every twist and turn. Pentax 67ii 5 Lens Kit: thefindlab.ecwid.com/Pentax-67II-Kit-with-5-Lenses-aka-EVERTYTHING-p582341561 Rolleiflex 2.8 E Kit: thefindlab.ecwid.com/Rolleiflex-2-8E-CLAd-by-Harry-Fleenor-w-Bri...
My New Favorite Film Camera for Travel
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Join Jon Canlas as he shares his current favorite 35mm film camera for travel: the Konica Auto s3. Jon explores how this camera's lens stacks up to much more expensive lenses (Like the Leica Summicron). He also shares his tips and tricks for getting the most out of this little film rangefinder. We have a few of awesome cameras Available! Check them out on our Store Here:thefindlab.ecwid.com/BUY...
Get Into Medium Format Film w/ These 645 Format Cameras
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Get Into Medium Format Film w/ These 645 Format Cameras
A Review of the Mamiya 6 & Mamiya 7 with Jon Canlas
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A Review of the Mamiya 6 & Mamiya 7 with Jon Canlas
A Detailed Guide to Every Service at theFINDlab
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Why I Only Shoot with this Modded Projector Lens
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A Side by Side Film Test: Portra 400 vs Portra 800
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A Tour of Jon Canlas' Film Photography Studio
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A Tour of Jon Canlas' Film Photography Studio
Camera Issues That RUIN YOUR FILM (And the Fixes)
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A review of the LEGENDARY Rolleiflex 2.8F
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A review of the LEGENDARY Rolleiflex 2.8F
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Rescuing My Most Important Film Images.
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Rescuing My Most Important Film Images.
Testing Fuji Acros vs. Acros II vs. Ilford Ortho 80
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These are the Best 35mm Film Cameras for Beginners
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Kodak's Raising Film Prices... What Does This Mean for Photographers?
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theFINDlab's 2022 Film Holiday Gift Guide
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In Australia they're charging $1699. It's a huge huge huge no from me.
The price is fair and may even look cheap to a lot of Rollie fans. The company that builds this camera is certainly not going to get rich. Most of the film camers are over 20 years old and the electroinics can crap out anytime. I am encouraged by the fact there are still people who invest in it so that we can carry on.
There is a factor in choosing to buy the Rollei (Mint) 35AF which I've not seen discussed anywhere, yet. Overall, the camera seems to be a conventional point-n-shoot of no more than average quality build, with the addition of a few pros and cons. Pros: Fully manual control of shutter speeds and lens apertures, offset some by a fairly poor manual metering readout arrangement. Cons: No filter mount, although this may be offset by third party adapters in the future; nagging questions about lens flare and resolution quality; a very poor viewfinder, even by cheap P-n-S camera standards; and failure of the DX film speed coding system in initial units (resolved ?). The big con, no pun intended, is the price. At $800 US, there looks to be at least $200 of surplus profit buried there, so Mint can recover its R&D costs with a minimum of early sales, before issues with the camera and less than perfect early reviews drag down sales of the first run of units. So far, this is business as usual, IMO. The wildcard no one anticipated is (1) Trump's election, and (2) Trump's destructive demand for tariffs on imported goods to offset his proposed reductions in federal taxes. The Mint 35 AF is wholly produced in China. Under Trump's proposal, it would be subject to a tariff charge at import of at least 40%. Add commonly charged sales tax and shipping, and your delivered price exceeds $1,200. This would kill almost all sales of this camera. Further, Mint claims that they bet the farm on the success of this camera, so if true, that might well mean the end of Mint. So, for all of those who say, "But it's a new camera with a warranty.", just who is going to honor that warranty? On the other hand, a casually interested buyer facing this disaster might explore what I'll call The LabBox Syndrome. The seller of the LabBox had so many production problems that they ended up having the product wholly redesigned and produced in China. At $200, the LabBox was dead on arrival in the open market. The tiny company with no manufacturing experience which produced it exhibited every mistake that can be made, so they will never have a second run. However. If you go to AliExpress and look around, you'll find The LabBox, in its original packaging, complete and for sale for less than $40, (The price of a basic Paterson tank.) being sold directly by its Chinese manufacturer. If Trump kills Mint, the MInt 35AF may end up on AliExpress for less than $300 plus tariff, tax and shipping, or about $450 delivered. (Since Mint licensed the usage of the Rollei brand for this camera, the potential Chinese seller would have to negotiate a new licensing deal with whoever owns the rights to "Rollei", or paint on a difference name.) So, if you really want Mint 35AF, jump it ASAP, or you may get "Trumped".
I must confess I didn't listen what you was saying at all.. all I heard was that smooth vibe on the background.. that made my day.. so cool and calming.. what tune is it?
Yashica MAT-124, that's my choice. I love it 😍
Please review 1. Double exposure 2. Film axis screw lock. Mine is 3.5 f can't lock.
Candid photography still IS controversial among all of us. My approach is to be "stealthy" as much as possible. Taking shots without others knowing that you are taking shots. Like a guerrilla style hit & run technique. Best is to wear those hidden body cameras like a hidden camera in a necklace or spy sunglasses camera. Those spy camera devices you can 90% takes lots of good candid shots without getting caught. But problem is that the spy cameras do NOT have good resolution. Another technique is called the "Sniper Technique", where you hide yourself far away from detection by surrounding people. Such as in a car with tinted windows or in a high rise tower. And you have a powerful high resolution camera to take as many "sniper shots" possible. This is how the FBI doing this to hunt persons of interests. As long as nobody notices you are taking candid shots. Then great, no conflict arises. But TOO RISKY. So beware of the risks & the consequences of taking candid photos in public.
It’s such a strange concept that a film camera with a tenth of the features of similarly priced digital camera is being released in 2024. There is actually 2 of them which is even more bizarre. Charging $500 for a $200 camera is crazy, but charging $800 for a $250 camera is even more insane. I know nostalgia was addictive, but I never knew that it carried such a high price hike.
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So you kept it, right?
I love the idea and the concept, but I also feel like maybe part of it happens because you're compensating for the differences in. I don't think you should. They should be set on the exact same settings f-stops and shutter and everything and that show the difference in how the isos handle the exact same settings.
How are you getting those edges along the border?
We can scan with borders! If you develop with us just select it as an option when you check out!
@@thefindlab in terms of the prints. Sorry, I wasn’t specific.
I love the Canon AE1. That was my first film camera and it was my favorite
You can also shoot at a 45deg angle either side.
Your adapter doesn't have screw thread, will it cause the filter to fall out?
It's designed to accept a 37 to 43mm step up ring to add the threads. You can get these for under $10 of Amazon. That way filters are easy to screw on and off without falling out.
Does the hack to increase aperture by reducing ASA necessarily mean you end up overexposing the image?
Sorry, this review makes no sense. The two cameras have nothing in common save possibly aesthetics. It is not made by the former Rolei company. Nobody could afford a nearly 100% metal machined camera. I’m sure you won’t strip any gears anyway. Focal length.. it is what it is and your opinion is just that. You talk a lot about your feelings, how about just reviewing the camera instead of an apple-orange comparison. These types of reviews are a major reason few will take the risk to produce new film cameras.
So the original one was a hassle to put the back on. I had two Rollie 35s and both the same. Also first iteration of a new film camera so will have kinks. I am sure that the camera was £800-1500 back in the day and a used one which is roughly up to £300. I don’t see the price and its kinks being an issue. Great news seeing new film cameras on the market, instead of toys or old cameras that need an immediate CLA and no longer have any kind of support.
I think the advantage of Mint doing this camera is updates can hit production relatively quickly at the volumes they are producing. Camera companies, including Leica, made mechanical updates to models without even changing the model name (compare all the mechanical component variations of the M2 and M3 without the need to "release" a new incrementally improved model every year). If they develop a new wind ratchet mech, baffle that AF motor noise, and dial in that backplate, most of the consumer doubt would go away.
Shot this film stock in different conditions (day, night, cloudy, sunny) and.. seemingly results are better in broad day light. It is completely different to metropolis or purple. I would put it in the same category as cinestill 400D. It is a very MOODY film stock.
Keep in mind that Rollei 35s was selling for $1800 in today’s money. Would you pay $1000 more for a better built quality? From what I saw both lenses perform about the same. The Sonnar is a bit warmer. Rollei was a very powerful company. It was able to invest a lot money into developing this camera. Considering this, MINT did pretty well.
Hi when you do the 5x6 and 6x7
Great video ! I have a couple of Rolleis and when they need a tune-up I send 'em to Harry.
Mint Cameras have awesome projets but all their cameras are held back by their use of really cheap materials and lackluster hardware engineering
I've had a couple of Olympus OM-1 bodies that I bought used, which developed fungus in their viewfinders, sometime that's never happened with any of my many other cameras, including a couple of fifty year-old Pentax Spotmatics.
I have two one I got around 1982 has never been used and one my brother gave me with a bunch of lenes from the mid 70'S, Have no problems with either one.
I got GAS for the ZF, and now this camera.........and I have 0 money. This is great lol.
TL;DR: disappointing review overall, missed a lot of nuances and info. I appreciate the critical nature of this review, especially about the build quality. However, it missed the mark on multiple points. First, it faild to consider who this camera is for. It's for people that want a fun, AF camera that can fit in a jacket pocket. It's NOT like the G1 or F100. The advantage of this back design is that there are no light seals. AF is a massive advantage for almost everyone. Especially for low light shooting. Try zone focusing at f/2.8. The photos were weak overall. The tree shot was okay. The axe had potential but he gave up before even trying.This camera was made more for the streets than the mountains. Warranty and parts availability definitely factors into the price. The fact that his Rollei 35S meter is broken makes my point. That's over $100 to repair, and double that cost for a CLA. Would've liked to see actual close-up comparisons across the frame.
I have an old version love it although i do struggle with the view focussing my distance judgement is pretty naff so i really fancied the af on the newbie but tbh ill stick with the old one and buy loadsa film and practice my distances and use my lil rangefinder. Good on mint doing this it can only be good for film photography.
This should have been its own camera or a copy of a less legendary camera. Such a small company reaching way too far for a goal. If they just made their own camera i feel like this wouldve turned out a lot better. Also the fact you can buy the original of this camera for half the cost. All you lose is AF 🤷♂️
Ugh... at first I was excited for the pentax, then I saw it.. I'll hold off for the rollei.. then I saw the reviews... you copy an old camera, and actually made it worse.. brutal.. now I'm back with fingers crossed that pentax is putting out another camera that will actually be quality and deliver.. the pentax17 and this both come off cheap, and for the price, the quality needs to be upped
They went too Silicon Valley on the camera. Should have stayed as simple as possible with just the AF. Also, lots of scratches?
I think they missed the mark on the price. And I know people are saying things like "if you take the original and adjust for inflation, blah blah, etc" but there's no point in comparing the price of this with the price of the original Rollei. That comparison will be valid in 30-40 years when we see if any of the 35 AF cameras are still functioning, until then it's a meaningless thing to bring up. The warranty may be worth the money? Maybe?
Thanks fora solid honest review of this camera and interesting to directly compare the lens to the original. The Zeiss planar resolves much more detail at infinity which you can clearly see in the mountains. Impressive! I was very excited about this camera coming out and was on the wait list. While waiting I settled on getting contax tvs 2 for a reasonable price. It’s not as small, but has manual controls, a decent lens with useful zoom, AF, good build quality and last but not least, manual focus! I knew it was a gamble, and the first one I bought was a dud. The seller kindly accepted a return and although bummed I thought I’d give it one more shot. The second one is great and I’m loving it so far. I only paid like $300 so when comparing the $800 it just didn’t seem worth it to me. Also with the contax I can do street stuff and zone focus which is impossible with the Rollei AF. Ultimately I’ll skip this one and keep saving for something else.
It's a TOV sensor, not LIDAR, they're LIYING
i assume you mean tof sensor? I also had the same suspicsion, do you have a source on that? the sensor looks very similar to the tfmini luna, which is a tof sensor.
I think mostly every segment had something that triggered me, but the fact you close this review by saying the old rollei, a nikon f100 or a G1 are cheaper than this as if it's a valid point for the audience, really made me think you fell on your head during your smug hike.
Earlier this year, I ordered a Mju in near mint condition. The autofocus stopped working after one roll of film and it can’t ever be repaired. Buying an old point and shoot film camera is buying a lottery ticket. I’ve pre-ordered a Rollei 35 AF and looking forward to getting it. Never getting a second hand point and shoot ever again. Learnt my lesson on that one.
That is a risk with older cameras...especially with most point and shoots not being repairable. We hope you enjoy the camera!
Willy Warnecke, the constructeur how engeniers the Rollei 35, 1966 would be very proud that his construktion in remake 60 years after his work. He made the complete construction and sell it to rollei. The production was from 1966 to 1970 in Brunswick, Germany, Sahdumerstreet. The building, also the big rollei signs on the rooftop is still there, go in, first floor on the left side was the rollei 35 production. From 1970 to 1981 the rollei 35 was produced in singapur and was the start of the fine industry in singapoore.
So funny, I ordered it and my last name is also Warnecke. Didn't know that the inventor was called the same name 😅
@@Melora89 The constructers name was Heinz Waaske.
The back plate is a pain in all the rolleis... I have some... And some of them are tight and when you load the film, you need to consider 3 hands hahah
The picture on the 10.50 min... Is a scanner death point. I think you are being to hard with the camera by comparing two dirrefent cameras from different eras. Is like comparing Rollei 35s with an olympus mju. Maybe this is the problem making a resto mod of the original, leaving very very very high spectations. Whereas the Pentax 17 there is no comparison from older models. I do like the new Rollei and I congrats mint for taking that risk...
This roll was scanned on a Noristu HS-1800 which can exhibit a similar artifact. Our term for this is a "Noritsu line." They tend to be blurry compared to what we are seeing here and can show multiple colors. What we are seeing here does not look like the artifact we see sometimes from our scanners. It's more common for something inside the camera to scratch the film as it's advanced, which seems to be the case in this instance.
Prototype….
Spoiled by bad decisions...
Makes me laugh when people say 800 is expensive, if you take any of the popular cameras from the 80s and 90s and convert for inflation it's prob cheaper than what they were, I think you lot think common ebay prices for 40 or 50 year old cameras is the norm..... It ain't. Besides that fact, all the photos I've seen in reviews look awesome, I'm def gonna pull the trigger and support them
The Rollei AF seems to handle lens flare much better than the old one. Also, you picked a bright sunny day to use both. How about trying to get some in focus pics when the light drops or you are indoors w the old Rollei. All of a sudden that zone focus will become pretty much impossible at 2.8 or f4 unless you are at infinity. While the new AF with it’s lidar focus will nail focus at max aperture.
This is fair!
for that money just got an over prized fuji x20, i like film, have a fed 50 avtomat that could give similar results as the honk kong rollei.
This is one of the most objective reviews I've come across for this camera. I have pre-ordered this camera but is deciding whether or not I should cancel the pre-order because the build quality does not seem to be great specifically for the rewind lever. Can anyone suggest a camera with a similar size and feature set that costs around $800? I'm familiar with old film cameras-I own a Leica M6, Olympus Mju, Rolleiflex 2.8F, and a Hasselblad 500C/M. My partner has a Contax T3, which has highly accurate autofocus, and the image quality often rivals that of my Leica M6 paired with Leica lenses. Plus, the Contax T3 is much more compact and easier to carry. However, the Contax T3 costs $2000+. In comparison, while my Olympus Mju is cheap and compact and produces decent images, but some come out blurry due to poor autofocus. This brings me to my main point: is there any camera, old or new, that matches the compact size and feature set of the Contax T2/T3 for only $800? Even the Contax G1 is significantly larger. The Yashica T4 might be a contender, but I don't have personal experience with it.
If you can live without autofocus, the Olympus XA series is excellent. I love my XA2
@@AnthonyRoderman thanks! A small range finder sounds good! Let me look into it!
You have to consider repairability and replaceability. Those two factors can be very costly. Look into common errors and repair costs before making a decision.
Brooo, I'm more impressed with the older camera😂
I had the older one but sold it. 40mm was too limiting for me.
The new Rollei makes absolutely no sense to me, especially at 800 bucks!! To me, it has nothing new to offer, compared to an old cla'd camera, which costs a fraction of the price, with superior lens and build quality. And the sound of the new Rollei firing... sticky and icky! Great video, especially the comparison between old and new.
Just curious, what would you recommend if I am looking for a premium compact point and shoot with similar size and decent AF for $800? I actually don't see any other options.
While I agree with you on the point of the somewhat questionable build quality. What do you think a brand new off the assembly line camera cost to you? Similarly to the pentax 17 or the polaroid i2 this is big endeavor by mint to put in research, development and market with no guarantees of success in a very hit or miss film market that we have today. The idea with these new film cameras is to fund the future of what film photography can be and support these companies in there projects in hope of better things. The price of $800 is comparable to that of similar cameras of the 90s with modern lens coatings and honestly very comparable lenses when adjusted for inflation.
@@chronicfish name one film compact camera that has a) a good AF and b) manual control.
@@KeeeeenW I would suggest you buy a real camera instead of an overpriced toy.
@@nostalgiccameralife I have a Leica M6, Leica MP, Rolleiflex 2.8F, Hasselblad 500C/M, Minolta X700, and Olympus Mju. So I have many real cameras but I don’t have one with the same feature set as the Rollei 35 AF. Olympus Myu is the right size but does not have enough manual control and the AF does not always work. The closest camera I can think of with the same feature set is the Contax T2 which is still slightly more expensive and cannot really be repaired if any major components go wrong. Of course, I don’t think any compact camera can compete with the prestige of Contax and Zeiss lens which is why I am deciding if I should just cancel my preorder and just find a good copy of T2 instead.
Comparing the mini rollei 35af to nikon f100 is not that fair, imo you can do review comparing the rollei 35af to a contax t2, leica minilux or other high end pocket cameras
Looks like a horned lizard, aka horny toad.
I don't really like the idea I keep hearing repeated that "support this company to keep film alive." heard it about the Pentax 17 and the Rollie 35AF and I don't believe it from a logical point of view but I also feel it is a bad way to do business. Not to mention there are piles of old film cameras (generally of better quality) that can be had for cheap all over.
To a degree I understand the sentiment that you could just buy an old used film camera for cheap, but, and I mean this with genuine respect, but at some point that well WILL dry up of good film cameras until all that’s left are mediocre ones. Starting with some of the oldest ones from like the 60s and 70s then to the 80s with more electronic cameras which don’t last nearly as long as fully mechanical. Then the 90s and 2000s will get hit, all mostly electronic with few spare parts. The aging hardware will break and used parts will become sparse, and that’s assuming people even get them fixed. It’s hard to find people to fix a film camera with proper know how AND also for a price that isn’t just a sump cost. Most places will have you pay at least $50 and with some of those “used film cameras” you speak about, they are less than that or barely more. Even an $100 camera would not be worth getting it fixed. Most people will tell you to just buy a new body. That will dry up the well of cameras eventually, especially with film photography getting more and more popular. More people buying cameras, less of the good ones and more of the mediocre no one will ever recommend. I would rather have a brand new camera, with a WARRANTY, than to keep rolling the dice when a camera locks up. This is also with the idea that the old and new cameras are contemporaries in this scenario. So to say that new cameras aren’t worth buying, imo, is the logic of short sightedness. You get new hardware, and with warranties. People who can fix them guaranteed. Furthermore, to say these new cameras aren’t quality is wild. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think you’ve used either. Not to say you can’t judge a book by its cover, feelings shouldn’t fully determine if you buy a product or not, but you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover entirely. Personal experience goes a long way. I am biased in this, admittedly. I have used the Pentax 17 since it came out. It’s a great camera and perfect for my lifestyle. Is it itself perfect? No of course not I have my gripes, but I still enjoy it and think it is certainly worth it and of decent quality on top of great results. No it isn’t full metal but not all plastics are the same, please understand this, enough said on that. The P17 is solid, but as I said, take what I said as a grain of salt due to my bias. The logic as well of not supporting a company for “keeping film alive”, as you said, generally sounds stubborn at best and at worst, cynical and pessimistic. It IS a good idea. Maybe not for YOU and some other people, but for others it DOES make sense. If we want film to bounce back to a place where film is generally affordable again and have camera companies make film cameras again, we have to support that effort to SOME capacity. Giving them a pat on the back for giving it a thought or at worst telling them off for not making the K1000 again and to go back to the drawing board, isn’t enough to make an investment on a companies part. Thankfully, Pentax has already said that the Pentax 17 sold well beyond their expectations and are going to be investing more into this film project. That’s a good thing. But to say that it’s illogical to support any of it is ridiculous. I can’t imagine anyone that wants film to be popular again and want new film cameras in the modern day would say this. If your logic is to say you don’t want this and that it shouldn’t be popular for some reason, I can only imagine that you are in fact gatekeeping an art medium, trying to keep it from widespread appeal and only keeping it to enthusiasts. That would be a wild sentiment. I hope this isn’t the case. Please correct me otherwise and tell me why you think it’s not. Again genuinely, all due respect, I disagree.
I can't help but wonder if this is a talking point promoted by Pentax 17 media reps and repeated by other reviewers. The reasoning behind it doesn’t quite add up. Perhaps it's the only way to justify the Pentax 17, given that its feature set is far from beginner-friendly. For those already in the film community, most either own a half-frame camera already or have no interest in using one. After watching numerous reviews of the Rollei 35 AF, I do wish Pentax had created something similar, but with their renowned build quality. That said, I respect the efforts of both companies working within the constraints they face.
@@KeeeeenW I am pretty sure you are on the right track. From what I have seen film was selling more from 2016-2021 than it has over the last few years. Kodak cut 120 prices around the board and FujiFILM all but halted production of film. Worst of all the Pentax is a pretty poor excuse for a camera and a half-frame which has always been very niche and amateurish.
@@JamesMueller97 I am 110% certain film will halt production before many of those old cameras die. The "old cameras will break" is true to a point, (as long as you exclude pinhole cameras, large format cameras, home made cameras and the more sold mechanical cameras) but also the commentary of some one who knows nothing of film cameras and nothing of repair.
I think the photos look fantastic. 800 for a new point and shoot with warranty seems fair. I imagine if pentax re released something like the ricoh gr1 series it would cost the same.
It's sad they opted for this form factor. That decision forced mechanical design decisions that directly affected the apparent quality. I get it, they wanted PR for a unique look. As Pentax has shown, you can get the PR without compromising on mechanical design. I don't think $800 is fair - every review appears to agree the mechanical resilience is questionable at best. You get a warranty, sure, but when this dies a year after the warranty ends, or even 3 years after... Move this into a new form factor and make it not feel like a poorly fit / poorly engineered toy, and then $800 would be fair.
first thing to break on my gr1's was the digital read out. in my opinion was the only Con with that design. so a new version with all the latest tech would be worth $800.00 to me.