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Watching this as a kirby main, my options include: 1. Grab 2. Bair Well, that'll have to do

"I have no idea how to tech chase donkey kong, dont ask" I find that pretty funny

In an alternate universe, this game came out on the wii and everyone would play with wiimotes for 20 years and then someone comes up with the GCC and they get accused of cheating

Fox mains dont want patches

Definitely benefits Samus too Very good option to attack a shield

This is such a good video, thank you. Like really. What I think is incredible is that this concept applies to so much games and domains. My vision of my own gameplay will probably change and improve drastically over time, thank you for that in advance !

great video. i do the same against like diamonds, grandmasters and golds and i think its literally because my neutral is awful and i dont think at all

Can someone tell me what that controller is named? I saw it once before but I can't remember what it's called

7:40, i stopped listening to watch that sequence multiple times, that was insane... now i gotta rewind again and hear what your saying

I dont use a box, but i would never consider it cheating. It's just a different controller

this is the best video on learning reaction tech chasing for me

The mental edge point isnt a great one because thats already a part of the game. And a part of being a competitor or just playing.

Can you early up air and skip the first hit?

coming from a guy outside melee community it's kind of insane to me that people who for years been buying shit ton of gcc's to find the one without flaws are now rejecting what is pretty much a modern solution for this problem. people don't see any problems with buying custom 300$ controllers with notches and manufacturing flaws, but 200$ boxx is cheating and p2w somehow

Come back the Smash Stick is out!

I’m having trouble doing instant up airs. Any advice?? Advice welcomed from anyone as well

In my opinion, there should be no limitation in controllers (unless they somehow implement literal cheats). The whole point of competitive games is to reach the pinnacle of possibility of play. And if rectangles are the way to truly see that, I’m all for it. To me, it’s like professional esport shooter games. Gamecube controllers to me are the mice of old: I’m talking Zowie 500 hertz type mice; mice that are completely outdated but people still use them because they enjoy the consistency. However, in my opinion it’s important to recognize that eventually this old equipment gets outperformed and replaced, and that is the era this game should also strive towards. I just want to see Melee - and every game, in fact - to reach its complete, maximum potential. I say remove almost all controller restrictions and let the game be played perfectly. If it’s possible in the engine, the controllers should be able to bring out the full extent of that engine.

As a peach player, it's become a bread and butter option to literally roll the dice on a tech roll read. At low percents when you get a grab, most of your followups havent been opened up and you arent fast enough to cover every option on reaction. So if i get a grab on fox and upthrow at 7%, whatever happens next is always a hard read. It's frustrating but if you can land those, you'll usually be able to close out the whole stock

Technically notches would be cheating too, so ppl are goofy

i really like your style of analysis, thanks for making it entertaining AND educational

Is rtc with ftilt as shiek cheese? I feel like it’s much more feasible to learn but perhaps at some point people will be able to TIP shine me. I feel like that wouldn’t be a problem for a while though..

isn’t this the same dude who guys falcon against marth

I need more vids man

Rafael nadals racquet is known for having such a huge sweet spot and its mold makes it so that when nadal has a horrible mishit, it Actually creates an awkward shot for his opponent. Incentivizing nadal to have huge blemishes in his strokes. My point, if tennis players were as big of babies as these overweight entitled gamers, tennis would still be played with wood racquets. No innovation to take the game forward

is there anywhere else to find the gifs of the tech options? gfycat is taken down :(

OEM only

It's always hilarious to me hearing people complain about boxx controllers. If people are willing to do whatever it takes to win, meaning buying $400 controllers with customs mods to do insane things with it, or camp the ledge in order to win....and the boxx is cheating because it's so good...then why doesn't everyone get a boxx controller and be the best? make it make sense. I just recently started using a boxx controller and that shit is hard. whoever complains about it, needs to use it themselves so they shut the fuck up

Can Puff RTC besides plats? I noticed u didn't mention her but it might've been because she obviously cannot or something

Over shoot nair has fixed me. Thank you.

good video, though the flow chart where every path ended with "cover it" made me laugh.

My question is when did we decide it is time for controllers to stop evolving? I think the whole argument against box only exists because some players don’t want to relearn on a new input device but they recognize that it is better so rather than taking the time to learn it they villainize it.

Wow this is a great talk. Thank you for putting this out there. Takes a lot of courage.

use keyboard fuck it

Ever since gfycat went down that reddit thread hasn't been functional. Do you know of any other resources that include the same side-by-side comparisons of tech options?

Marth's PAL weight also gives certain chars trouble for combos. DK has a much harder time doing cargo combos vs PAL Marth

I don't play Smash competitively, but...that is a great tip and concept!

The ‘stealth buffing’ and ‘unknown source code’ is the biggest problem with boxes in my opinion. You don’t want to have someone hook up something at a tournament that is literally a …black box.

12:25 2-3 frame charged upsmash would be more optimal than grab

How do I apply the gci file in my uncle punch?

Can Pikachu reaction tech chase with grabs?

if people are complaining and crying then they should get a hitbox join the wave thats how it was with fgc with street fighter people saying it was cheating but capcom fixed and nerfed it too a extent time too move from controller as well because it is not easy getting a gc controller now a days even the switch ones are going up in price now

I think the 'can't double jump to stage but can air dodge to stage' spacing is important too. Also, when he can double jump to ledge, there's the mixup of low dj to ledge vs aerial to hit you in the same spot. Those are the biggest questions I have.

I'm in my early 30s. The other day I decided I wanted to start practicing tech so that I could even just have fun in online Melee play for the first time in my life. (Have always loved the game but never been any good at it.) After practicing wave dashes for like 30 minutes my hands felt like they had aged another 10 years and were in legitimate pain. Literally the next morning I ordered a Boxx style controller. I will NEVER be a good competitive player, but I am not going to fuck my hands up just to enter the game at a competent level.

thanks for making this man!

He came in like A wrecking ball

You can actually fast fall frame perfectly and still autocancel if you nair on the first 3 frames of the jump, nairing on frame 1 causes whats called a gravity aerial, which shortens the short hop and allows you to fast fall 1 frame earlier and touch the ground 2 frames earlier overall and autocancel, and frame 2 and 3 will do a regular short hop nair but is still early enough that it will always autocancel. Keep in mind also that fast falls can be burffered up to three frames early giving you a 4 frame window, so it should be quite consistent with some practice.

:) thanks for this

hearing a fox as good as pip say 'yoshi is the exception among the top tier, everyone else got nerfed' made me laugh out loud. aMSa has given us the funniest timeline

It's kind of funny how S2J's biggest weakness has always been his edgeguards

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