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Grey 17 I always thought was overhated...and that Thirdspace could have been an awesome couple episodes in the series proper...but the whole "oh yeah, this happened, you didnt hear about it but it happened" thing killed any stakes in the story. Comes the Inquisitor's ending was great in that you were lulled into thinking the story was over, but then you get whacked upside the head with it. And being that it came earlier in the series, many people still didnt have the "JMS will twist the conventions" fully ingrained. PtG's true horror is that its very 1984. When does society get to rehabilitate someone into a "productive member of society" and when is it about completely killing off the person as they were. Does the person with the original sin deserve to be punished forever? Does that person still remain? And do we ourselves have something deep inside of us that is completely anathema to our personality?

When you make a movie (or script) thats acceptable to alot of different people, it becomes good to noone.

I'm 59 and watched the original series as a child. I loved it and when they made the films I thought great. But they didn't get the same feel to them. I thought it was just because I'd grown older, but now I realise a good story and good acting is much better than special effects.

One of MANY things which the original Star Trek achieved was managing to help you dismiss your disbelief long enough to actually thoroughly ENJOY an episode. Great stories, and great acting to boot - Plus other great Star Trek series followed ... which surely began to decrease in quality with Star Trek Enterprise. After Star Trek Enterprise, well ... any subsequent "Star Trek" - anything at all - had become genuine GARBAGE.

Soon with ai we will all be able to updae these shows with amazing special effects.

That's probably the worst thing that ever happened to space combat. Stupid bs that was copied decades after and is even today. The only show that does space combat justice is Expanse.

For me the creepiest moment is when Ivanova is having the dream/vision with the crow

There weren't a lot of space battles/encounters in the first season: "The Corbomite Maneuver," "Arena" and "Errand of Mercy." However for the latter two they didn't make or show enemy space ships. It wouldn't be until the third season that they made a Klingon ship. They did go back and add them to "Errand of Mercy" and "The Trouble with Tribbles" (and likely others) in the 2000s with CGI. In some ways _The Wrath of Khan_ was not just a sequel to "Space Seed" but also used "Balance of Terror" and "The Deadly Years."

So Psi Corp acted like J's.

This was a great episode ... but my favorite is "Vir gets what he wants" ...

It's too bad most modern screen writers seemed to missed those classes, while flashy effects are "wow, cool" factor. I always felt more connected when the story is the focus with the effects adding a bit of eye candy for your senses. Maybe why TOS is so rewatched by so many decades later.

The Shadows initially were very creepy. Once we learn about them, and realize they are First Ones on par with the Vorlons, they start to have a familiar and grounded quality, but at the very beginning, they were immensely frightening, with abilities and motivations that seemed unknowable.

The 'red superweapon' was a plasma torpedo. I don't recall if it is so named within the episode itself, or if I read about it one one of the various pieces of Trek literature.

The final speech of the Romulan Commander always brings tears to my eyes.

Babylon Squared and War Without End I and II hit harder for me in terms of what as possible on a TV show. I remember not knowing anyone who watched and needing to talk about what I'd just seen. when people used to talk about the golden age of television I'd add that it started with Babylon 5.

I never really thought of Passing Through Gethsemane as a Horror episode. It's possibly the best non-plot arc "filler" episode in the entire series.

It never occurred to me that "Babylon 5" was ever going for horror. Drama, yes. Frightening situations, yes. But true horror? No, I never really got that impression.

can i be fair, this type of story setup is far better, star trek was about character setup. it didnt matter about special effects

B5 all 5 seasons, Crusade and the TV Movies cost less than 2 episodes of Rings of Power. 🤔

I've watched both 'Balance of Terror' and 'The Enemy Below' many times, but never made that connection. Excellent 🙂! Also: This 1 Episode of Star Trek probably had more tactical thinking than all of Star Wars combined. 😄

The Romulan uniforms are a war crime to be sure.

The one episode where a veteran us losing it about a killer alien in the station that reveals a 1,000 years old Shadow soldier has a good built up.

Earth First, America First. Home Guard, Department of Homeland Security. It's creeping in in the USA right now. Black Armbands, Red hats. It's been happening for over 20 years.

The scariest parts of B5 are ALWAYS the ones where Ivanova is angry.

........ And the mystery remains. WHY do Starfleet ships NOT have seatbelts??? 🤪🤪😄😄

I think that the scariest episode for me was when Sheridan had been captured by Earth Gov and was being tortured. The bare sets meant there was nothing to distract one, and we had no idea what was happening to his friends. Bruce Boxleitner really had to shine in that one.

This incorrectly defined what ship-to-ship combat in the stars would look like. The Expanse shows real space combat.

I watched the Gathering when it first aired back in the day. I was hooked. When i found out B5 got a full season, it was must see TV for me. I've been a fan ever since.

I give your last question a resounding "Yes!". [smile]

Some details always bugged me with this one. Why not turn out of the path of the disruptor blast instead of trying to outrun it? “I am pointing out that we could have a Romulan spy in board”. What!?! Phasers taking forever to fire. Bridge to controller room, to fire officer to gunner, to …. I get they wanted the submarine feeling, but… Still the intrigue and tension is well setup and I love it. Besides these little details 😊

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear

Easily in the top 10 of TOS eps, probably in the top 10 of ALL Trek eps. Its still the best space battle in Star Trek, arguably the best of all science fiction, for the reasons this narrator cites: character-driven, clear high stakes, and strategy/tactics more important than flashy raw firepower. The other two epic space battles that come to mind are the Death Star battle from the original SW movie and the Galactica/Pegasus/Cylon engagement (s) in the BSG reboot …for those same reasons. All were great but BoT deserves top honor because it was the first, by more than a decade. Also because whole generations of movie technology utilized by those others was unavailable to TOS. Working with bearskins and stone knives, they invented the genre and made something that still sets the standard, more than half a century later.

Phenomenal video brother. Reminded me why I love the original star trek so damn much. I just noticed you have babylon 5 videos too, that's my all time favorite... we are kindred spirits! I'm going to watch all your vids, Awesome work.

The Shadows using people as CPUs and "ambassadors" of a sort is scary. As is the idea of an invisible giant killer insect. That being said Psi-Corps wins, between death of personality, implanting fake personalities in people and what Bester did to Garibaldi in S4 that group is terrifying.

I've somehow never seen this episode, but now I realize that I've seen its influence in a bunch of other shows. Especially cloaking in space, how to counteract it and how the idea evolved over time. One of my favs is cloaking that doesn't turn a ship invisible to the eye, but to sensors(By masking the heat/energy of a ship or even disabling it to drift past an enemy) and targeting equipment(like tricking other ships' computers into thinking that your ship belongs to them). Visual confirmation would be incredibly hard in space anyways, especially by a large ship, so these methods feel really believable.

With that last one: Well, we all knew something was wrong, because Brad Frakking Doriff was playing a good guy 😂

The retconning of the, "watch your back Michael!", does really work because Sinclair and Garibaldi are super close friends.

It must have sucked for the Agrippa to get destroyed twice. If you watch closely Sheridan says to target the Roanoke but the Churchill rammed the Roanoke before Babylon 5 fires. When Babylon 5 fires you see the shots hit the Agrippa which had already been destroyed.

I think Divided Loyalties functions as a good horror episode particularly because they actually "kill" a major character in a fairly awful way. The immediately prior episode, Confessions and Lamentations (the death of the Markeb) also works as a depressing horror episode.

The other big problem B5 had with Third Space, is that the Aliens are just Shadows 2 Electric Boogaloo

I am glad this is your signature one also. For myself who saw this TV show when it was first shown, THIS was what made Star Trek watchable. To me this was similar to a WWII Destroyer/Submarine Cat and Mouse encounter. Unfortunately it is perhaps the LAST Star Trek episode I enjoyed,

I remember JMS saying he wrote "Shattered Dreams" in a weekend but "Grey 17 is Missing" took him three weeks. The bad episodes were always a chore and time consuming.

Thinking back on it the change was fortuitous the whole dynamic of the show change still I think Sinclair could have gone another season just for more detailed character arch.

The more modern battle sequences in ST movies are utterly ridiculous. They have NO reality about them at all. That original TOS episode took into account the realities of space travel and balanced them with the needs of entertainment. All that went out the window a long time ago, especially with J.J. Abrams' reboot, which had no interest in reality whatsoever, and had the Enterprise zipping around the galaxy in seconds and taking part in silly dogfight shenanigans a la Star Wars (which is not and never has been science fiction). Sad, really. Roddenberry started out wanting his series to be as feasible as possible given that the show was dealing with an unknown future and as yet unreal technology, which is why so many respected SF writers worked for the series.

For me the most chilling moment in Babylon 5 is when it’s revealed that the Shadows are using people as components for their ships. Especially when the B5 crew finds the modified telepaths.

Mark Lenard was awesome is the Romulan commander but more so as Spocks father

The Romulans were the greatest enemy of the TOS series, not the Klingons

Well, you managed to convince me. It always bothered me that Pen and Teller were not funny in this episode, when they are really funny in real life. But now I see the point, I think. Zoot zoot.

Yes, it still holds up. Not only that, it is everything the modern Star Trek is missing.

The reveal of the shadows, when Zach is messing with the tv screen, was my favorite horror element. In that moment you could see so many pieces connect, and the dread of where thr story would go.