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Lmaooo didn't have to call me out like thaaat. But tbh if literally everyone is doing it cause it's so busted, then whatever right?

@kattzz741 yeah lmao

The only thing it affects is your launch speed when hitting the ground and doing an instant slide jump.

Umm, what..? I lurch constantly...I've broken a scroll wheel from practicing neo strafes. I've coached several other people on it, and had a portion about lurching in a guide video I made several months ago. In this video alone, see Exhibits A - E: 1:39 I lurch around the box out of a wall bounce to catch up to the ballistic 2:13 is a momentum shift out of a wall bounce to re-engage for the kill 2:18 super-glide into a momentum shift to cut 90 degrees and ruin Loba's spray while keeping eyes on her 3:01 RAS strafe with the PK 3:14 wall bounce into a RAS to catch the ledge again and superglide with another lurch sequence to shift backwards while keeping my gun pointed at my opponent If none of that counts, idk what to tell ya...

@@kattzz741 i cant see you bunnyhopping holding sprint velocity a single time. What your doing is one single ras strafe you can chain dem together forwards and backwards while keeping velocity with bunny hopping that way and your way harder to hit than with a single forward ras. Wallbouncing and wallrunning is not PVP Lurching thats just basic movement. i know people under 500 hours that have perfected keeping momentum in yuki spams wich almost recreates neostrafing or basically is neostrafing, there is a lot more lurching wise you can implement the rabbit hole goes deep... Bunnyhopping to keep sprint or superglide velocity would help you a bunch already

​@@FlowGGAPEX I regularly bunny-hop between movement sequences to maintain momentum, and every bunny hop has 4-5 scroll clicks between. It's legit harder for me to bunny hop without lurching between. I can also competently neo-strafe, or chain RAS's to switch directions while bunny hopping seamlessly. Just because every fight doesn't call for it, doesn't mean I don't use it regularly. I mostly do the crazy movement stuff in Mixtape but don't usually post those clips anymore cause people just ask why don't I play BR lol. The same stuff really doesn't transfer to BR, unless you're just trying to farm clips vs actually win. My general philosophy is "movement provides options, but is not a band-aid for bad positioning/decisions" But thanks for posting the tips! Will certainly be valuable for anyone less-versed in movement to start implementing.

Probably true, but I needed a title 🤷‍♂ Will be streaming again very soon tho. Desk broke, waiting on a new one.

@@kattzz741 I'll be here waiting.

Then I need an editor lol.

Thanks!

Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated! <3

Please hmu on discord man: twitch_kattzz I desperately need your coaching 🥹

It's teachable, but there is definitely a ceiling for people without natural ability, like many other skills. The simplest way I've found to teach it is to think of each opponent like those old 2D escape games where the enemies have a cone of vision you must avoid. The center of the cone being most dangerous.

Hehe thank you <3 The fatigue bounce was done here for a few reasons. First off, anytime I'm in a room or near cover, I like to set up fatigue as a rule, just because it's so damn useful. Not just for infinite wall bounces, but also lower jumps that make for less predictable arcs when RAS strafing or whatever. In this particular fight, the Vantage had just enough time to pop a cell, undoing most of my opening damage, and I had no idea where her teammate was yet. I tried to bait her out of cover by opening the door, and anticipating her search for me, I set up fatigue for an easy jump over her head if she were to round the corner. If I went for a slide jump and she had actually pushed, I could get body-blocked and lose all momentum, making it an awkward fight.

Thank you! I thought it was pretty clean haha

It's $40 for a one-on-one session (~1 hour). Comes with a free VOD review as well, up to 15 mins of footage. I do a write-up on what to improve, and timestamps for various issues I see.

Yeah idk it definitely feels a little same-y across a lot of POIs. I like the outplay potential in the buildings though. The sound is definitely trash this season. Half the time my heals don't even make a sound (which seems like it'd be good, if it prioritized enemy footsteps...but they're still silent too lmao). It just feels disorienting a lot of the time.

ruby is an opp he's using my wraith skin

Link says Video Unavailable for me :( But I'm on work computer so could be a firewall issue.

@@GibbyCanKickflip Not an issue on your end; streamable only keeps videos like for like 2 days now for free accounts...used to be like 30 days lol.

20 superglides in a row next?

@@kattzz741 with food poisoning* "back to taco bell we go..."

Haha thanks homie! Somebody's gotta keep these kids humble 😂

Ngl after the first missed jump, it was pure panic cause there were like 12 people in the building lmao.

@@kattzz741 I could tell. Pure smoothly controlled panic 😂. I think the Watson just gave up at the end 😂😂. I'm pretty sure her neck was hurting

@@HumanVsHumans The entire plan became "Just keep jumping until I find an opening". I love that my regen kicked in before I even left the zip shaft lmaooo.

At its core, yeah. It uses insta mantle to skip the climb animation and a crouch input to get the weird hitbox tho, so it's a novel-ish combo.

I got side-tracked when I discovered crab boosting (video I just uploaded) but I'll be sure to include that when I drop the tutorial!

We schmoove not for the aim assist we can dodge, but for the bad decisions we can make; amen. Just lurch the pain away.

@@kattzz741 “lurch the pain away” sounds both poetic and depressing lol

@@toksick361 FACTS

It's pretty good for a quick peek/reposition but that's about it. Definitely niche! At least it looks neat :)

I mean it works with no momentum, but yeah it's pretty niche overall haha.

Play gibby lul

Haha you're not wrong; this is one of the less useful ones overall but not completely useless! This tech is really good for peeking over walls to see an enemy approaching while only exposing your head + very quickly repositioning with the subsequent wall bounce (potentially getting a shot off as well with a PK or similar) depending on what you see during the peek. You don't have to swing with your whole body, or climb fully up onto the wall. I'm gonna show enemy POV in my tutorial for this cause it's kinda nuts. It can also be decent on cover like the blue box along the wall in the video; you can bait a climb, then drop and wall bounce back onto/away from them. It's already saved me a few times in fights because nobody expects the random wall bounce once you start climbing and small crates/cover next to walls are literally everywhere in apex. The final, admittedly super-niche use (which isn't highlighted well in this video really at all) is how far it can launch you backwards like in this clip: streamable.com/u6oz1d You can get surprisingly far around a corner backwards and still get a full wall bounce. Might be neat for an escape after a heal when you have no momentum? Idk, stretching the usefulness on that one for sure lmaooo.

@@kattzz741 “but not useless overall” describes our eternal struggle as movement junkies lol

@@toksick361 Hey man if I'm ever near a box with an open door while finishing healing as the enemy is 12m away at a 70 degree angle, it'll be useful!!

It's not the same at all really. My setup for this doesn't require fatigue state, and you can launch backwards out of the mantle around corners and stuff and STILL get a wall bounce, like in this clip: streamable.com/u6oz1d it's an evolution of this weird mantle hop interaction/tech discovered by treeree years ago (recently explored further by set3kh), but now it can be chained, cover larger distances, and be used off taller cover.

@@kattzz741 oh ok. Was just making a guess but was way off I guess lol. Looking forward to the tutorial, though it looks like you're using tap strafing so idk if this is possible on controller

@@xXTheBigMatt94xX Haha all good! And yeah, I do some lurching to set the wider ones up, but I think you could do the corner ones on controller? Tbh I don't know the limits of roller at all so I'm not gonna make any claims here lol. If you wanna test - go to any medium-height cover next to a wall, climb the wall, drop off with a backwards input halfway through the mantle animation to activate coyote time and immediately jump. Once you have the timing for the jump nailed down, you need to lurch (air strafe on roller I guess?) and turn the camera toward the wall with a backwards into sideways input to surf/bounce off it. This is the part I'm not sure if roller can do, but I believe it's possible... Good luck!

Yup yup. As mentioned in other comments tho, the credit does go to Jay for discovering it. I just took it from Rampart walls into the map at large, but I didn't discover the setup.

I've had a few people bring that up, but I don't really have beef with mokey about it for a few reasons. First, I only showed the slide variation (look at the vid title lmao) without realizing you could do standing variations, and didn't include the forward input except by accident, which is what really makes this tech interesting since it gives wayyy more height that way. Also, when I posted this video and started discussing it, Jay himself tweeted me with the Rampart wall footage from Aug 2023. Woulda been cool to get a shout-out but I myself conceded the credit to Jay after discussing it with the community at large and learning it was a known setup. At most, I brought some awareness back to tiny wall bounces, but I didn't discover anything groundbreaking, and wasn't involved in developing the practice spots, limitations, theory behind the tech, etc. that mokey went super-deep on in his video. Now, if a video drops on wall dismounts and mantle cancel wall bounces without mentioning me...imma throw hands lmao. Love the support though homie!

@@kattzz741 Oh I see, still would've been cool to get some exposure from the movement king himself lol. But that does make sense given the circumstances. Hopefully in the future he DOES post that video and give you the credit you deserve lol. Keep up the good work my friend, I'll be watching and waiting for you to blow up!

@@toksick361 Hell yeah man, you're definitely an OG supporter here from the start and I love that. Huge respect to people who see potential in a small channel and stick around. Can't wait to hit 1M subs; I'm never gonna stop making Apex content regardless so it'll happen sooner or later lmao.

I have the option to translate this comment to English and it does nothing

Thanks homie! That tech never gets old

I appreciate you homie

Yeah RIP snuggles. Although you can still do a discount version of them.

So canceling a mantle does give you fatigue and also a brief coyote time window in which you can perform a (fatigued) jump. This jump also means you can lurch, but since it's so small and you have no momentum you can basically only go back into the door/wall you just climbed, or turn to something nearby about 90 degrees. Idk if it's possible to go further, still tinkering.

@@kattzz741 ahhh i see.. interesting

There are very, very minor differences in the movement between R5 and the live game. Regardless, all of this is possible in normal Apex, and I already have gotten clips with it. You are correct that the individual mechanics being abused here are not "new" discoveries, but they are novel applications of something previously thought of as ultra-niche and useless, when in fact it blends beautifully with the current movement meta/playstyle of superglides and fatigue bounces. Having a reliable exit to fatigue bounces that maintains movement and provides a free redirect is insanely powerful. Especially when it can be used indoors or in door fights. And for the record, multiple movement players have confirmed these mechanics and discussed it thoroughly in mokey's discord if you'd like to go more in-depth on what exactly is known vs new applications here. Happy to answer any questions!

Neat! I hadn’t seen anyone abusing the free insta slide when you fall in a crouch, especially off of walls. Thought this was a cool use for it!

Yeah tbh this video is a little outdated, the discussion has moved past this into the overall realm of wall dismounts and persisting fatigue state out of them. Plenty more to come!

Will do! I have really sensitive headphones so I'm always afraid I'm being wayyyy too loud. Guess not, haha

every part of this is doable on roller- EXCEPT any lurching. So you can get the wallsurf and boost- but u cannot redirect it in any direction.

You can do wall dismounts to get a boost on controller just fine, but chaining into the same wall for a bounce would not be doable because it requires lurches, yes.

You could probably do it somewhat easily with horizon passive

So for the version explored here, yes. But there are other wall dismount tricks actively being discovered and I think a couple should be doable on controller. More to come!

So there are a couple things going on here! For the door climb into a bounce (more insane clips coming for that particular move) I am climbing into a mantle, tapping S to cancel and give fatigue/coyote time, then jumping out of that very small window with lurches to the adjacent wall. Since it's a fatigue jump, if you hit the timing properly you are able to get basically a full wall bounce. Not sure entirely what the limits are yet. In regards to the crouch you're asking about, at least in some clips; since my slide is on cooldown I am abusing a mechanic where if you jump (or fall!) and land in a crouch, this will give you an instant slide and you can jump immediately out of it for some goofy redirects. That's what the healing clip is and the corner wall combo I showed. For the corner wall one, I am also flicking my camera and crouching off the wall in addition to the S input...cause it feels faster. Further testing will reveal if it actually is lol. Final note - future videos will be coming with keyboard overlays!

rollers dont need to see and movment . because they are not playimg .. they rollers are playimg😂

The dismount boost and boosted jump would be doable, but not the redirect into the same wall for a wall bounce. If you dropped backwards off the wall into another wall nearby it should be doable.

@@6iignaL stopppp hahaha. Controller is NOT that easy.