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I think if he was in the business of merely exposing college students to a different view, and his intention was truly to change the minds of those that don’t agree with him, I think he would not market everything he does towards a clearly conservative audience. He’s providing entertainment and validation for a conservative audience by talking circles around college students. It’s fine that he’s a conservative entertainer. I just don’t believe that this is some great moral crusade to show the college kids the light. The kids are the product. As to your second point, if you mean how I’ve edited this video, unfortunately I have to talk about clips of his videos instead of larger chunks in order to comply with RUclips. I wish I could avoid that. If you mean the videos I selected, I commented on videos as they’re uploaded on his channel. I picked them because I thought they were generally representative of Kirk’s work and were illustrative of some common problems I see people have in informal aggressive political conversations like these. If you’ve got something you’d like me check out though, I’d be happy to give you my thoughts on a particular point! Thanks.

@@RyanGeddie Oh I was meaning how in this particular video you had mentioned that if you did have a good point he would probably cut you out anyways, but I was trying to say I think he does longer videos? Might be worthwhile watching a longer one sometime and then commenting on like parts you feel are important, because he makes a good point or you feel the student does in some way. If you would like (I watched it and thought it was good) you could see about reacting to the Jubilee video where 20 college students had a 1 hour or so debate with him and then go over just the particular topic that you wanted for one video, slowly working through all of it.

@@lucid3563 I’m not sure I’d consider his Jubilee video to be representative of his own work, since he was appearing on someone else’s show/channel. On his own channel, I do see he occasionally uploads 30-45 minute chunks of his time at campuses, but these don’t appear to be the whole visit from a cursory reviewing of them. If I ever did a livestream I could go through one of the longer videos, not a terrible idea.

@@RyanGeddie Oh ok, so do you think that it's like because he was on a different channel he would change the way that he presented his points? I guess, it might not work, but if you ever did find yourself watching it and thought,"This was pretty good" then you should do a reaction. Would be cool. And yeah, do a live stream. I think people would totally be open to the idea of you watching a longer video that has you trying to react to it with good thoughts as long as it was unbiased, since for this video, I think most people believe you to be pretty biased against Charlie from the get go, which makes them go straight to the comments lol 😂

@@jenniesrealgf9372 Why do many conservatives type with this strange capitalization affectation? Curious where it comes from.

@@RyanGeddie its to emphasize/replace bold, thought it was clear, but i'm sorry if it wasn't. another thing about the left/liberals (that you have shown, yourself) is they tend to criticize insignificant things after a conservative says something correct, and they cannot rebuttal to that fact. for example, how you criticize my typing style instead of my actual reply. hoping you can consider other perspectives! God bless you

@@jenniesrealgf9372 If you’ve got a particular objection, I’m happy to address it. Obviously, I think what I said in my video was based in fact. I wouldn’t have said it otherwise. I’d love to critique your argument. I think I’ve been more than willing to engage in the comments of this video with people who are hostile towards me or my video if they have an argument to make. Unfortunately, your original comment did not provide me with an argument, so I responded to what I judge to be a low-effort jab with another low-effort jab. Feel free to correct me on whatever actual point I’ve made that you like. I’m more than willing to engage with the criticism - provided it’s not in the form of a self-righteous, passive agressive assertion.

@@RyanGeddie of course! I dont disagree with your tips on debating, I think they are excellent for debates in general. however, I believe that charlie kirk tends to be correct in almost all of the debates he has done. his goal is to inform the uniformed/ incorrectly informed and show them the truth/facts. i also believe you may have cherry picked clips that prove your point rather than showing the hole thing.

@@jenniesrealgf9372 His original video was only 5, minutes ish long. You’re welcome to watch it and tell me if I missed anything important. I don’t think his main goal is to inform college students. I think his main goal is to make money by creating content for a conservative audience. I think this is why he titles and uses thumbnails on his videos things that would be unappealing to liberals, but funny and affirming to conservatives. There’s nothing inherently wrong with being a conservative entertainer. I just think he’s more Limbaugh than he is Socrates. Unfortunately, RUclips frowns upon using too many long clips from another video even for commentary purposes. I wish I could’ve used longer ones as well!

@@brentjones803 Hi, Brent! If there’s something you disagree with, I’m happy to explain my reasoning.

If you think his deal is primarily talking to professors I don’t know what to tell you. Don’t believe your lying eyes I guess.

Someone didn’t watch the video!

@@RyanGeddie Can you reply to the actual contents of my comment instead of just saying something that is completely false

@@TOG3AX With all respect, not only do I address why this is not an advisable thing to do in the video, I’ve also answered variants of this same comment several different times throughout the comment section! Totally cool if you don’t like me or the video, but ultimately, I feel like it would be more disrespectful to you to just copy and paste the response I’ve already given elsewhere! Thanks for watching.

Unfortunately, the more people that get angry with me, the more RUclips thinks the video is engaging to watch, which results in the video being funneled to similar people! Really it’s probably a bad incentive structure, and makes me understand why rage-bait content does so well. Unfortunate! Tell me what you disagree with and I’d be happy to talk to you

@@jamespgray6928 Tell me what I said that you disagree with.

@@RyanGeddie Kirk's lines aren't "canned". He rarely insults someone unless they instigate(and he gets called a lot worse than he gives). The only thing you said correct is to be as informed as possible. Charlie is very well informed, that's why he usually wins.

@@jamespgray6928 His lines are canned haha There’s only so many ways one can respond to the basic comments your average college student will give. I’m not sure what to tell you about insulting! If you watch and look at the titles of his videos and think he’s generally being a nice guy, I don’t really know what to tell you! It’s fine you like him, plenty of people are fans of AM radio and other things like that too.

@@RyanGeddie at least I know there's only two genders. Don't try to insult me.

@jamespgray6928 When have I ever talked about gender politics on this channel haha. I believe you are capable of responding to me and what I believe instead of a generic liberal straw man.

@@tballstaedt7807 Tell me what you disagree with and I’d be happy to give you my thoughts.

Let me know what claim I made that you disagree with and I’ll be happy to tell you why I believe it’s true. Maybe you will change *my* mind!

@@jasonartemis1637 I’ll take the comparison to Obama as a compliment. He was an excellent public speaker. The Obama-Romney Biden-Ryan presidential/vice presidential debates were probably the best quality debates between national politicians at that level that we’ve had in recent memory. I’m happy to talk to you though if you want to shoot me a dm on Twitter.

@@RyanGeddie the problem is that Obama was ALL talk. He did absolutely nothing he promised. He didn't look out for the best interests of the American people.

I think if you look at Charlie Kirk’s content, you would be pressed to seriously make the case that his project is about voter education rather than making entertaining conservative content. The form that takes in his case is talking circles around college students, which isn’t impressive to me because any professional pundit of any ideology could do this. If he wanted to convince people, he should do what Buckley used to do on firing line and host debates with prominent and prepared opponents. As for me, I’m not sure if you know, but you need 1,000 subscribers and 4,000 watch hours to make ad money on RUclips. I will probably never reach that level, and I have no other sources of income tied to this RUclips channel (patreon, donations, merch, etc). It’s just a hobby for me. I’m sorry I’ve given off the impression of being egotistical! If you have a question you’d like me to answer, feel free to comment or shoot me a dm on Twitter.

Being a skilled debater actually is more important to winning debates than being factually correct. This has been discussed as a problem since the days of Socrates and the Sophists, the latter of which Kirk is certainly comparable to, Hope typing this made you feel better. Try to use even more adjectives next time, I hear that makes for excellent writing.

@@RyanGeddie Yes, but Socrates welcomed dialectic with people who were not skilled debaters. Theaetetus, the boy in the Meno, etc. Why should dialectic not be done with college students just because they're "young" or "inexperienced"? I say the opposite. Dialectic and debate should be done by the young and inexperienced. They need to learn it as soon as possible. Logic should be taught in high school, not as an elective in college which is so foolish. I learned all this in my early 20s thank goodness, as I was a philosophy major. These unfortunate young adults shouldn't wait until they're 30+ to learn it and become too tired or passionless / distracted or if they even learn at all, and then their ignorance multiplies which would make them more susceptible to do evil. But looks like they're learning postmodernist garbage and that's why their critical thinking is terrible.

@@thetruth9806The difference is that Socrates was generally concerned with truth. Kirk is generally concerned with making entertaining content for a conservative audience by producing takedowns of college students. That’s why I compared him to one of the Sophists. Who made money by arguing convincingly while holding rhetorical dominance in higher regard than truth. I agree that students should debate. Their ignorance should not be exploited for a cheap dunk and monetary gain. Take a look at what Kirk titles his videos and tell me what you think he prioritizes. I believe the Cambridge Union pairs up students and professionals in their debates. I’m not sure if this is a matter of course, or just in debates that I’ve seen. I like this. In terms of learning about postmodernism, I can’t say that was a signifiant part of my curriculum in college. However, I think it’s important to remember what John Stewart Mill said about the importance of learning about even challenging ideas in order to avoid your own becoming “dead dogma”. Thanks for the comment.

@@RyanGeddie It wasn't part of my curriculum either. Indeed, I agree with John Steward Mill when he says this, depending on what he means by learn. If he means learn as in become aware of or know what something is, I agree. There is nothing to accept about subjective truth. Socrates examined it and refuted the Sophist Protagoras' "Man is the measure of all things..." quite beautifully in Plato's Theaetetus. How it overtook colleges now I do not know, as you can see students are starting to believe the Sophist's claim, but since they do not know how to think, it has now become all they know. As to Kirk's motivations, it could be that you're right that he's not after the truth, and is in it only for monetary gain, as he titles his videos to boost the algorithm. Unfortunately, the audience do not click on plain titles but instead flagrant and negative titles, so for all youtubers, if you want a significant number of people to view your video, that's just the way it is. However, let the discourse happen, whether it be by a grifter or a truth seeker, the discourse in and of itself is good. Thanks for the discussion.

What he does is not debate. There are conservatives that do real debate. I appreciate them for what they do because they contribute to a healthy political conversation. Charlie Kirk is making entertaining content for a conservative audience.

@@RyanGeddie How does he not debate?

@@Lynx-hs2kx If what Kirk does can be called “debate”, then I think any two people arguing at each other can be called at debate as well. At that point, we’ve diluted the definition so much so as to make it useless. His primary goal isn’t presenting well constructed arguments on behalf of a position, it’s producing entertaining clips for a conservative audience. That’s fine if that’s what he wants to do, let’s just be honest about it. It’s sophistry and doesn’t deserve to be treated as some noble intellectual pursuit.

@@RyanGeddie I really don't see what you're talking about. Whenever I watch him debating someone it just looks like normal debate. And it does look like its well-constructed. He always has facts.

@@Lynx-hs2kx His facts, if the videos I watched in research for this video are at all representative, are not facts at all. When he gets stuck, like he did in this case, he resorts to childish applause lines and insults. He’s a 21st century sophist. That’s fine. There’s been a market for that kind of person since the days of Socrates. I just won’t pretend it’s more than what it obviously is. If you want to watch conservatives in a legitimate debate, you can watch old episodes of firing line with Buckley.

Going to college doesn’t necessarily make you smarter than someone that didn’t go to college. He doesn’t do this to promote free speech, he does it because he’s in the business of creating content that’s entertaining for a conservative audience. That’s a perfectly fine goal, Rush Limbaugh and others like him were conservative entertainers, let’s just not pretend this is somehow more intellectual. If he wanted to actually test his ideas and expose college students to conservatism, rather than just dunk on 18 year olds, he could host debates with other professional pundits on college campuses. Do videos called “College dude TRIGGERED”, “Toxic Liberal Throws a Fit Over the American Way”, or “If She Didn't Have a Nose Piercing, She Might Have Won the Debate” seem to indicate a respect for his interlocutors to you?

Again, no one is forced to go up to the mic. They go up on their own behalf, so you can’t really say it’s his fault. I still think it’s important to give our younger generation an opportunity to say what they believe in to further expand our understanding and differences on how we view the world. You don’t have to like how he titles his videos, that’s totally fine, but in all fairness it’s a double standard since the left says the same stuff about “MAGA REPUBLICANS”. No one is perfect on both sides, but just because you don’t like the way he presents himself doesn’t make his points any less logical. Though I disagree with your view, I still appreciate the dialogue!

I appreciate you taking the time to write this out. Clearly this is an issue that means a lot to you. I fundamentally do not think Pundits like Kirk are engaging in real debate. They are in the business of producing entertaining content for a conservative audience. This is plainly obvious by the way he handles himself in debates, and the audience he is clearly trying to cultivate on his channel. I would love to see Kirk debate a real opponent. Anyone can talk circles around a college student. It’s not hard, impressive, or educating. There are conservatives that do real debate, against real opponents. Old episodes of Firing Line had a lot of this. Kirk isn’t one of those people.

Unfortunately, it wouldn’t be legal for me to play his whole video and comment on it without taking it in chunks. That’s what I would prefer too! Regardless, his whole video is only a few minutes long, and if you feel like I took him out of context, I put the names of all the video I used in the video. What’s with the fantasies about me failing to debate conservatives lol? Sorry I made you upset!

@@RyanGeddieok, pretty confident it’s not against the rules to play the actual full conversation, as it’s been done many times before on different channels. Since I’ve watched most of Charlie’s debates and conversations im familiar with this one and know what happened before you started the clip halfway through and I know why you did it. This is again providing more evidence to my point that you are just scared of full unedited clips of conservatives. Doesn’t matter, but I’d just like you to know that I’m a highschool student and am very conservative, I’ve learned a lot from people like Charlie. Trump 2024🇺🇸🎚️.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone talk to any of this variety of campus political pundit, liberal or conservative. What they do can only very loosely be described as “debate”. That’s right at the beginning of the video! Kirk’s “debates” are nothing more than entertainment for viewers that share his ideological convictions. There’s conservatives that do real debate. He isn’t one of them. Thanks for the comment.

@@RyanGeddie coaches debate techniques, discourages their use; got it.

“Lmao 😂” Lmao

Election integrity can never be controlled by government. Other countries have multipartisan citizens commissions and it's not difficult to set up a party to run. The USA is really a beaurocratic partisan dictatorship in my observation.

It’s interesting you added the race portion to your comment when that wasn’t discussed at all! At least with the first two bad-faith interpretations of what I said I can understand where you got them from. Why are you so fixated on race?

@@RyanGeddie but it should be included, because non-liberals are (by liberal deffinition) racist fascist.

Making sense compared to a nervous college student is not impressive. He should debate real opponents if he’s so good.

@@RyanGeddie it doesn't matter who the opponent FFS he is making more sense.

Any professional debater could talk circles around an average college student. Link me a video of Kirk in a professional debate against a real opponent and I might be more impressed. Why is he so afraid to test his arguments against those who might actually test him? Other conservatives don't have this problem!

@RyanGeddie hella excuses g it’s funny that college students the people who are supposedly “educated” have to be pampered you can find multiple videos of “prepared” people that he fundamentally destroys with logic no debate tactics and he doesn’t cheat in debates like you , just debate him already and stop whining

@@RyanGeddie you obviously haven’t watched many of the videos, this point has been raised by college students at his events and he has publicly invited professors to come debate him on numerous occasions, and no one ever takes him up on it

Glad to have been of some service.

I do love America! Confusing response!

What did the letters “y” and “o” do to you?

@@RyanGeddieI bet ur a lot of fun at parties

I thought that was an appropriately curt response to someone who clearly wasn’t responding to the content of the video.

I'm no longer a college student, I don't think he'd be interested!

“Do something valuable like being a fan and supporter…” Interesting mindset lol

@@RyanGeddie Thank you

Thanks lmao

He’s got every right to talk to whoever he wants about whatever he wants! I’ve got every right not to be impressed with people who make it their business to be the political equivalent of carnival game runners or pool sharks. There’s conservatives out there who debate their contemporaries and equals, I enjoy listening to them. Kirk isn’t that.

@@RyanGeddieI’m not an avid viewer of Kirk but I have seen clips and think what he’s doing is actually essential to America democracy. The truth is that colleges and high schools plaster liberal slogans and flags and if you question it you risk being canceled. But if the same was done with political material considered constructive than it’d be immediately challenged. Sadly our tax dollars aren’t going to an education that represents different political ideologies fairly and equally and that’s a problem for America and our future generations. We need not only diversity in our skin color but also in the way we think. And that’s not going to happen if we atomize one side of the political spectrum. Turning Point not only place conservative conversation on college campuses but they also handle legal issues to keep schools from having an imbalance of political influence. If you believe in democracy and that the youth is the future of America than you’d have to believe in bringing these hard conversations to the youth and not limiting them to “professionals” that they’d probably won’t find on their TikTok feeds.

@@FaultyPhenomena If he was serious about challenging liberal orthodoxy on campuses, he would attack its strongest proponents rather than its weakest. By contrast, if he was interested in making content designed to entertain conservative viewers, he would make the kind of content he makes right now. Read the titles of his videos and tell me that he genuinely respects the people he’s talking to. I’d love to see Kirk host a debate against a prominent liberal political pundit on a college campus. That would serve the goal of bringing real debate to campuses, and it would allow his ideas to be tested against a serious challenge. Kirk has such a big platform, there’s plenty of actually reputable people that would accept a debate. You’re allowed to just think it’s entertaining to watch. That’s fine. As I’ve said in a different comment, plenty of people thought Rush Limbaugh was entertaining. Just don’t pretend this is more intellectual or pure-hearted than it is. If you want to see a conservative in a real debate, you can watch old episodes of firing line. It can be done. (They had a lot of their debate episodes at colleges even if I remember correctly!) If you care about protecting people’s rights on college campuses, I’d suggest FIRE. As far as I know they’re a good organization and I think they got started because they thought orgs like the ACLU were too liberal.

@@RyanGeddie he is debating people who are going to vote. If they can vote, they can debate someone.

@@bogchamp5627I think the creator of this video is completely wrong in his stance on this one

I don't think people should slander others. One person doing something bad doesn't make it okay for someone else to do something bad. It's bad in both cases. However, if you are weak-willed and reactionary enough to start calling yourself fascist because someone said something mean to you, I think that's very childish and a pretty considerable mark against your character.