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And this is why when people think robotaxi will somehow spam 60 million cars overnight. . NOO. NOO Decades away 30 years. Tesla will assume liability for far higher crash hazards and knowing a robot car will crash into others in winter / crazy fog / heavy heavy rains That should end well right.

smh everytime these drivers "let the car cook"...at the expense of other people having to maneuver around them just for some views....intervene and correct the behavior.

I have lived in snow country before and not only learned to drive in it, I found I enjoyed it for some reason. Rear-wheel drive in an ICE vehicle is just as difficult to handle well in snow and on ice, if not moreso because the Tesla battery low to the ground will actually add traction. Still, anyone living in a place where snow is common should get all-wheel (or front wheel) drive. In places with heavy cybercab traffic (sites, essentially), Robovans will rise the main lanes and de-ice/de-snow them. That's my take on how robotaxis will be able to operate in such Winter conditions. In areas with far less robo-traffic, people will have to ride with someone else or drive themselves ... which is little different than currently with ICE vehicles. (And the AI neural net will learn more every day and updates will constantly improve Tesla performance in all conditions. ICE vehicles and other EVs will not evolve and get as much smarter.)

Had to cancel FSD subscription on my HW3 MS. 12.5 became un usable for ride shares with its excessive phantom breaking and missed turns. I actually got to miss not having FSD at all. Funny because HW2 was superior.

How can we rely on these type of mistakes . I think FSD will never happen.

maybe tesla will make a robosnowmotaxi for you guys.

You say they don't get anything in return. But, if people are paying for the $99 a month, they are getting something. And there are far more HW3 cars on the road than HW4. If they can build a retro-fit computer that replaces a HW3 computer, I might be willing to pay for it. But ONLY if there is a significant improvement in performance. Right now, most of the youtube videos I've seen showing FSD13 don't really seem like much more than a minor incremental improvement over FSD12.

Free FSD on next two Tesla purchases would be a fair trade maybe.

Tesla represented FSD to purchasers which they have not delivered on. Tesla did not represent a time line. Also Tesla did update HW2 to HW3 therefor setting precedent which IMO is class actionable.

jeez that snow is a rough environment... i would be flustered driving in that condition too (being from california) thanks for the vid

The clickbait should be, 'How people will beave with automatic self-driving cars during Winter?'

if its not keeping right, its a dog shit version? Why is it hogging the left lane?

v13 on HW4 will straighten the algorithm and driving data, as usual in the AI, it will be refined and made 10s of times lighter for the hardware. Not only HW3 will be capable of running v13, but it will do a lot more. Viable until at least v15, when the hardware requirements will be drastically different. But 100% sure that v13 will run fine on HW3 after few months.

Hardware 3 so version 12? Would like to see a H4 with version 13 tackle this snowfall

Oh damn, didn't think it was that useless in snow 😂 I bet they haven't trained winter conditions much yet. Also turning off as it looses traction is a scary one. What if you hit a banana peel?

If you want HW4 for free you should at least own FSD

Tesla will continue to string H/W 3 owners along, with the suggestion that a free H/W 4 will be rolled out. After a few years it will dawn on H/W owners that maybe it is never going to happen, meanwhile H/W 4 users will be experiencing the same thing with H/W 5.

still much better than i expected. good test!

The last bite when it happens you do not want to step on the brake. Otherwise, FSD stops immediately and you have to handle the turn by yourself. It occurred to me once when FSD drove too fast going into a curve, so I braked and slowed the car down, and the car went straight toward the curve. Fortunately, I had my hands on the wheel, if not, I crashed my car into the ditch that night.

some of us are upside-down on our tesla (2022) leaving the whole ~fsd transfer~ not a viable option. This is a Lawsuit waiting to happen considering HW3 out numbers HW4 almost 3:1.

FSD v12.5.4.2 is a one long intervention for me. I can't keep consistent speeds and tends to sit in the left lane on the Florida interstate, which is extremely annoying. 85 mph is just not fast enough for that lane in Florida, and it never reaches that speed on its own. This is the worst update for me.

commenting to help the algorithm

Thanks for putting out a hw3 video - it seems like most hw3 RUclipsrs stopped creating videos when V13 came out. I was happy to read that TESLA is working V12.6 it will be released before the end of the year.

I think there is something to gain. Specifically, continued subscription revenue and robotaxi volume when that launches. Regardless of the cost, they pre-sold this product and they should deliver if they want customers to continue to favor them and have repeat purchases in the future

I think Tesla should include FSD on ALL their vehicles to differentiate themselves from the rest of the market as many vehicles on the road today have the same level of Auto Pilot as the standard AP offering from Tesla or at most make it a $29.99/mo subscription. As far as making HW3 run end-to-end FSD, I think they will manage, just takes time to optimize it and downgrade several aspects of the new platform. Maybe slower framerates, lower object resolutions, slower response, etc.

Im in the boat of I want to buy it on my AI3 car IF i got the upgrade but not knowing for sure keeps me from buying it! Need definitive roadmap

Elon said that they will upgrade FSD computer for free if they cannot solve FSD on HW3. At least don't spread FUD if you intentionally ignore all his announcements!

Swapping some or all of the cameras might be necessary. It probably would be best to incentivise transfers of FSD to new vehicles until only a small number of HW3 with FSD hold-outs remain. Then only aim to deliver basic unsupervised FSD on existing HW3, not full robotaxi capable FSD.

You also didn't talk about the possibility that FSD 13 might be able to be optimized after significant effort to run on HW3 vehicles. That has not yet been ruled out. But it will take longer and Tesla has to perfect the software on HW4 first before they can do the optimization work. We shall see!

Your not taking into account that they added HW4 to the Model Y without waiting for Juniper. If they can do that, then they can at least offer it as a paid upgrade to Model 3 owners.

And some people thrust fsd with their life😮

Tesla wont be able to have self driving cars without someone monitoring the cars remotely in the near future.

I debunked robot taxis and why it does the random stuff you mentioned. ruclips.net/video/Mdu205RrCDU/видео.htmlsi=_T3TJw9v9KKpTlCb

But all the Tesla propagandists were saying that 12.5 was the best thing ever! LAWL. Now it's 13 is the best on HW4. Yeah sure it is. C++ code didn't have this issue.

So the problem I’m having with ASS, is a failure of the app to connect to the car, because a lack of Wi-Fi or Internet, connectivity, and so in order for ASS to be really useful in my opinion is, it has to have a reliable Internet connection, and the perimeter from where you can actually connect to the car must be more than 200 feet, and we need to be able to not just be able to summon the car from a parking spot, to have it pick us up at curbside, but also to be able to send the car to park itself, using park assist to park itself in a parking spot, otherwise, I don’t find it to be very useful. Cheers 🥂

But Tesla fans claim there is little to no maintenance? Maintenance is for gasoline cars, right?

I would have expected it to be better at picking a lane, it misses and crosses solid lines several times in this short video. Not sure about where you live but in Sweden that is a $100 fine each solid line you pass.

I'm on 12.5.6.3 in my 2024 Model Y. I've had to turn off my FSD, because frankly it's doing some things that border between annoying and dangerous. This latest update had a few things I liked, some things I didn't, and some things that have not changed. Well I am definitely an enthusiast for my Tesla, I really think the company needs to have a very direct way for users like us to give feedback, where we can be sure that that feedback is getting in front of someone who can honestly evaluate it. I feel like I have raised concerns to Tesla in the past about some of the incredibly dangerous things that this vehicle has done, only to get placated by customer service representatives. Here's what's good in the latest release: As promised, the lane changing has gotten smoother. In previous versions, when the car would change lanes, it almost felt like it was always hitting a virtual bumper on the opposite side of the lane it was moving into. For example, if you went to a right hand lane, the car would move over into the lane, move all the way to the absolute right hand edge of that lane, and then bump back over to the middle. It felt very unnatural, and frankly was quite uneasing for a passenger. This latest software has improved that dramatically. It was probably the first thing I noticed when I put the car into FSD after that update. Here's what I don't like: 1) FSD needs to have a "Stay in your f'ing lane" option that I can permanently configure, in the same manner that you can configure speed limit thresholds. Everybody has a driving style, and some things are more appropriate in some environments than others, but one thing that FSD does that I find incredibly annoying and sometimes even dangerous is as tendency to want to change lanes. Sometimes, it wants to change lanes in situations where I would not want to because of the route that I'm traveling. You ought to be more intuitive to know this, given that it knows my upcoming navigation instructions, but it oftentimes doesn't. For example, I could be on the interstate headed for an interchange where the two left hand lanes both will take me on to a northbound part of the interchange, but the leftmost lane ultimately takes me on to the north bound interstate, while the right lane takes me somewhere else. In that situation, if I'm heading north on the second interstate, I would want to be in the left hand lane of the interchange. But sometimes, FSD wants to move me over into the right hand lane, which, will not problematic at the moment, makes for a very awkward lane change later on on a very busy interchange that could be negated by making the best lane changes early. The frustrating thing about this kind of stuff is that you don't get any warning that it's going to do it, so you don't get any opportunity to refuse the lane change. You get about two blanks on the turn signal if you're lucky, and then over the car goes. That is an incredibly short period of time for me to take my focus off of the road where it's currently at, shift it to one of the other lanes to make sure that I agree with the car's decision to change lanes, and then react, one way or the other, to that change. True, I can cancel it by flicking the turn signal stalk, but the Tesla is very aggressive about wanting to make these changes. I can imagine being the driver behind me starting to wonder where in the heck this guy is going or what is he doing when he constantly sees my turn signal coming on, and then turning off. 2) some time ago, they took away the option to click once on the drive stalk for TAC, and a second time for FSD. I really don't like that. For the reasons already discussed, sometimes I'm in a situation where FSD is not performing particularly well. I don't have the option to go to one of the other modes like advanced autopilot, which does a great job of keeping centered in the lane and tracking, without completely exiting FSD and having to fully control the vehicle, and then taking my eyes off of the road to fiddle with the touch screen. In fact, I think once you change the FSD option in the autopilot submenu, you have to be in park in order to re-enable it. There needs to be a way to transition between these modes with minimal fiddling on the screen so that it does not necessitate me taking my eyes off of the road. Lately, I've been driving with advanced autopilot, despite the fact that I have paid for FSD, because FSD has just become unusable with this latest update because of all of the aggressive lane changing on the interstate. I feel like it makes me a menace to society when the car is constantly changing lanes. This is an even bigger problem in congested stop and go traffic, because I've seen the car want to jump out of one lane into another, just because it sees the traffic in the other lane happens to be moving, even if it's only moving for a second. Again, I like the abilities of FSD to navigate, but I would really like to have some kind of a mode where I could just tell it not to switch lanes unless it needed to for navigational purposes, or if it was evading some kind of an imminent hazard. Otherwise, I would prefer that the car just stay in the lane that I put it in until I tell it to get out of that lane. What hasn't changed: I don't know if this is an issue with FSD per se, or if it's something with Google maps. But I'm not the only person who has made this observation and complaint, and it's been around for a long time. The navigation in the car, which controls FSD, sometimes seems to find things along the route that do not exist. For example, along interstate 4 on my way back and forth to work everyday, there is this place where, in the middle of the interstate it suddenly announces,,"at the roundabout, take the second exit on the right...", and then it instantly slows me down from 75 mph to 35 mph right in the middle of the interstate. As the OP here observed, the way around this, once you know it's coming, is to simply put your foot down on the accelerator when you know it's going to happen to prevent it. Of course you have to be careful, because in my case at these speeds, it would not be hard to bump it up over 85 mph, which will make the car go berserk and throw you out of FSD for exceeding 85 mi per hour, at which time you then have to instantly take over full control, then get yourself off of the interstate, or at least off onto the side of the road, put the car in park, and then resume your trip in order to get FSD back. Even once you do this little accelerator trick to keep it from slowing you down, it completely jacks up the maximum speed settings, so you have to fiddle with the thing for about a mile to keep resetting the speed or it will keep trying to slow you down to all sorts of different speeds. It's really weird. You don't see this roundabout on the visualization or on the Google map. I understand that Tesla gets its navigation information from Google maps, but when I bring up Google maps on my phone, I never get this weird instruction in the car. It's only from the in-car navigation that I get this. As mentioned, I've now reverted to using advanced autopilot for now, which comes with some unique challenges of its own. One thing I've noticed that you have to be careful of is that, although advanced autopilot seize or otherwise nose the speed limit changes on the road, it does not adjust your maximum speed or cruise control setting accordingly. So, for example, when I leave my home and head out onto the main road, the speed limit here is 60 mph. I have the car set to allow a 10% threshold, so it will go up to 66 mph on this road. As I approach town, the speed limit adjust to 50 miles per hour. The car knows this, and updates the speed limit indication on the screen, but it does not automatically adjust the maximum speed. I have to remember, or notice, exactly where this speed limit change is, and then start flicking the scroll wheel to bring that speed limit down. Otherwise, I'm liable to find myself right smack in the middle of intown traffic flying 66 mph through a 50 mph zone, a feet which is very likely to earn you a pretty big ticket over here. And, rightfully so. Speeding is a big problem around here. One of the things that I have really liked about the Tesla is that it tracks the speed limits, so I can know with pretty good certainty that I will never unknowingly break the speed limits. However, I've noticed that I'm now having to mind these things a great deal more. My problem with that is not that it requires me to take more responsibility, because I believe that motorists should always be responsible and always be paying attention. However, when the car behaves inconsistently like this, it becomes very difficult to decide what things you need to be paying attention to and when. If you need to constantly be on the alert, making every decision in your head is the car makes them, it kind of negates the whole purpose of having some of these features. I actually regard features like FSD and advanced autopilot as safety features. The reason that I regard these things is safety features is because there are certain things that they do extraordinarily well, which allows me to focus 100% of my attention on the road ahead of me, looking for potential hazards, and not worrying as much about little things like noticing if I happen to be drifting too close to the edge of a lane. The car tracks that stuff incredibly well. However, with these weird, quirky and often inconsistent behaviors, I find myself uncomfortable trusting the car to do those things, so I end up turning more of these features off, and these features are some of the biggest reasons that I bought this vehicle in the first place.

Yes I had the same happened to me, and it did not happen a year ago. And also in the city going straight stuttering behavior being on accelerator getting off back-and-forth. Another new feature is that it now gets me at times in the wrong way into a one-way street.

Could it possibly be that you began FSD with three strikes from auto steer already?

Hmm, does your car tell you to stop being a "back seat driver"? 🤔😂 Seriously an interesting video.

SElf drivin is NONESENSE. Its only GUARANTEED JOBS for programmers NEVA HAPPNIN

You're correct, they need to put lidar back on. Vision alone isn't all that good.

Robotaxi is not ten years away. It is here, already. Waymo, Baidu and more. They are here. Today. And it works! But Tesla Robotaxi, that is not even a decade away. If they continue on the route they have set themselves in, it will never happen.

Jaywalking, so stupid! We do not have it here in Sweden. The only roads you are NOT allowed on as a pedestrian is two-lane expressway and motorway. ALL the other roads you may freely cross if you like. Anywhere you like. USA really should change that car centric stupidity and ban jaywalking. And then improve even more for pedestrians.

Computers cannot comprehend human stupidity. They say you can’t fix stupid, nature fixes stupid, it’s kills stupid.

Good video & thoughts. Here's a couple from me. (1) I think Tesla has probably worked some of the perception components of a human standing in the street directing traffic, but I'm not sure they've rolled responding actions into the deployed NN's quite yet. So, perhaps we call that component "coming soon"? (2) You jump from "this is difficult" to "LIDAR is required" without addressing the (oft-stated) fact that humans are currently doing this with photons-to-eyeballs only... not to mention that the array of cameras is absorbing a lot more photons than our eyeballs do. Appreciate you for putting this together.

I recently made a video explaining all the problems you are talking about in the video and how to fix these issues: ruclips.net/video/Mdu205RrCDU/видео.htmlsi=jbvGbsbYG-Ot4eyB

Was it changing lanes at 1:11 by itself? Or did you hit the turn signal?

I have a possible explanation. AI works basically on a statistical model that causes virtual neurons to fire. But remember this branch tree prediction is many if not hundreds or thousands of branches deep. Differences in lighting and traffic can cause slight variations, even on the same vehicle on the same route when performed at different times.