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You don't know how good you've had it until it's gone. People hated the long season points format, now they want it back. But at least the playoffs format how allowed us to appreciate just how legitimate the old formats were. For a format that was supposed to be entertaining, while rewarding consistency and dominance, the playoffs managed to accomplish neither. All they had to do was give first place more points.

I used to follow the sport every single weekend under the old format because a championship was a season long thing that was very interesting to watch play out because every race mattered. Now all you have to do is tune into the last 20 laps of the last race to watch 4 guys who by chance made it to the final round.

The reason why I like the latford system was because it was simple. Drives get points, most points at the end of the season win, end of story. I didn’t mind the chase, but I wish nascar had simply made a 10-20 point difference for places 1-10 and 5 for everyone else.

One of the funniest complaints I've seen with the current playoff system is that a driver could win the first 35 races, finish 2nd in the championship race and lose the championship. Technically, this could also happen with the latford system as well.

I absolutely hated the latford system at the time and so did many other fans. The Chase for the Cup helped a little bit but it didn't prioritize anything from the regular season except consist race finishes. Since the stage racing era began in 2017, we have a good balance of regular season importance, playoff performance, wins, and of course excitement.

I thought the NHRA used a "Countdown to the Championship" for years. Did they go back to a full-season points format? (I don't follow drag racing. I only know because I used to watch Ultimate23Dragon's videos, and I remember her complaining in a video about NASCAR's move to the original elimination playoff format, saying that NASCAR was taking a page from the NHRA's book.)

Fixed points was the best version. It SHOULD be all about consistency.

Every time they change the points system, it sucks worse.

The playoff system they have now to me seems purely for ratings, not what's best for the sport. Plus, just resetting everyone for the chase or playoff is like stopping a marathon to get the top runners back together for the last mile to hash it out 😤 lol. Ruins all the hard work 1st place did to have a big lead

No auto racing points system has ever been all that great.

Questioning Terry Labonte's championships because of his "lack of winning". Texas Terry won because of consistency, not race wins.

This is why I'm keeping track of my own points system this year. It's a marriage of Elimination Style, the Latford System, and the "Wild Card" Format used in the early "Chase for the Sprint Cup" years.

My idea for a new format: Divide the 36 season races into 9 blocks of 4 races each. In each block, points are awarded for stages and results in each race according to the current system. At the end of each 4-race block, the following points are awarded to the best 10 drivers (with the most points in the block): 22 - 18 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1 Plus 2 bonus points for each race win in the block. So a driver can collect 30 points per block at maximum. The champion is then the driver who has collected the most block points at the end of the year.

Am I gonna say that postseason formats are good in Nascar? Not really, but I still believe that every championship in the sports history is equally legitimate (aside from Kyle Busch in 2015). Every driver knows what the rules are, and drive with a different mindset compared to other formats. So while I do completely understand why people would think that some championships aren’t as legitimate as others, I respectfully disagree.

The latford system just proved u were the best drivers throughout all the races I don’t know why this is controversial don’t crash and you win

You could win 35 out of 36 races and then blow a tire on the last lap after leading every lap of the finale and not be the champion with the playoffs. That is a joke

The old system was better than what we have now

Current system is the best or near it

The wrench I like throwing into the legitimacy debate is the fact that provisionals, charters, and any form of automatic qualifying had already ruined the competition on the grounds that a car that cant even qualify on speed shouldnt be able to compete. Look at 2003 Kenseth. 7 times he used a provisional to qualify. 3 of those he led a lap. Even if he didn do anything else those days its over 200 points he was guaranteed.

If nascar keeps the same regular season points system they have now for an entire year with no playoffs, it would be the best points system as it rewards winning and running up front more. It would also legitimize the series to where drivers and manufacturers from around the world would want to come in and participate trust me!

Just remember that even the Latford System could produce a winless champion.

To me the whole point of racing is to win, riding around and being ‘consistent’ is meaningless. The championship should go to the driver with the most wins, and if there is a tie on win number then average finish can be the tie breaker. No gimmicks, no formulas, just the straightforward goal of winning. To those who always preach consistency, think of this on the micro level - does the race trophy go to the guy who lead the most laps or the guy to who leads the last lap? In the scale of an individual race, the last lap and the win is all that matters. This should be the same mindset when called out to the full season as well.

On the other series Matt Crafton won the Truck series Play Offs without winning a single race. Austin Dillon also won the Xfinity title in 2013 without a single win. Yes, I know that was pre play off format but still worth noting.

Here's how I would do My Points Format, were Going Back to a Full Season Points Format, 1st - 150 2nd - 125 3rd - 100 4th - 80 5th - 60 6th - 45 7th - 35 8th - 30 9th - 25 10th - 20 11th - 18 12th - 16 13th - 14 14th - 12 15th - 11 16th - 10 17th - 9 18th - 8 19th - 7 20th - 6 21st - 5 22nd - 4 23rd - 3 24th - 2 25th - 1 Note No Bonus for Leading Laps and this is an F1 Style Points Format

Even under a point system that rewards winning far more (for example F1 points or Indycar's), 1984 still goes to Terry Labonte, albeit narrowly. 1994 also still goes to Earnhardt quite easily.

I don't care what anyone says, the points system should value finishing as high as possible. Champions rarely are crowned purely on wins, but by being consistent, and minimising their bad days. the 2017 V8 Supercars Championship for example is, in my opinion, decided by the Bathurst 1000. Both Scott McLaughlin and Jamie Whincup had awful days there, but Jamie managed to get the better over Scott because his bad day at Bathurst still netted him 80 points, whilst Scott had a donut. likewise, Scott had a bad round at the finale, missing out on the championship because of a late race penalty after finishing on track in the exact position he needed to win the championship (P11 or something like that). Put simply, Drivers and Teams should be incentivised to repair their cars and get back on track and finish to maximise points, as every point matters come the end of the year. It can be painful, but the team that wins the championship should be the team that did the best job at maximising their points throughout the year. The team that didn't give up, and the team that repaired their car for a P34 finish whilst the 2 retirements were their championship rivals, because that is how a championship is won.

playoff system has to go as well as stages ruins the flow and takes away from the number off laps under green you can have a caution 2 laps before a stage break and still have a caution for the stage in 2 laps the latford system was good but probably needed just some tweaks give winners more points make it significantly more to incentivize wins give out bonus points at the end of the season for different stats most wins most top 5s highest avg finishing pos ect. need to go back to less chaos not every race needs to be a game 7 moment takes away from the excitement of a natural occuring one and nascar needs to stop with the manufactured drama with phantom cautions for no reason at least be consistent with them

the nascar playoffs is probably the one reason I sometimes prefer f1 to nascar on a random weekend i will like nascar more but when it comes to the last race I'm worried the deserving champion will not become the champion but that isn't possible in f1

Great video! Very interesting and it's cool to hear it all side by side like this.

⁠The thing about dominance and dynasties in NASCAR (and any sport for that matter) is that there are usually all kinds of outside factors, especially regarding championships and their supposed legitimacy. For example, the 48 team of Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus built its strategy around the Chase for the Cup during the seasons Johnson won the championship, just like how in the pre-chase era NASCAR teams would start points-racing (driving more conservatively and settling for Top 10s due to the relative lack of points incentive to go for wins) around August or September if they had at least a one race points lead by that part of the season. Johnson and Knaus were smart enough to recognize that with the Chase, the ideal time to peak would be late October. That and Johnson almost won the championship in his rookie season (2002), which is considered THE MOST competitive season in NASCAR history (he was only done in by mechanical failures). Of course, in this example the 48 team was helped by the fact that the Johnson/Knaus pairing was the only one to remain intact from 2004 to 2010, whereas other driver/crew chief combinations that could have taken at least 10 wins and/or 1-2 championships away imploded (most notably the #12 team of Ryan Newman and Matt Borland, the #20 team of Tony Stewart and Greg Zippadeli, and the #97 team of Kurt Busch and Jimmy Fennig). This was of course also the case for Richard Petty (who frequently had a car with 100 hp more than rivals in the 60s), Dale Earnhardt (who was the first NASCAR driver who truly mastered the art of psychological warfare in racing), and Jeff Gordon (whose main POTENTIAL rivals in the late 90s either died in 1993 (Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki), were hampered by injuries (Ernie Irvan in 1994 and Dale Earnhardt in 1996), or became owner-drivers and experienced major downturns in performance (Ricky Rudd, Bill Elliott, and Geoff Bodine)-also Gordon was younger than his main rivals by about 10-15 years and thus had greater physical fitness and stamina behind the wheel, while the #24 team was the first to truly adjust to the new meta of aerodynamics and downforce).

Really NASCAR needs to decide whether to emphasize competition or entertainment-and if it emphasizes either one the system still needs to be easy to follow. I would say that success ballast combined with a yearlong format could solve most of the sport’s problems-look at JGTC/Super GT if you want a prime example of how that leads to exciting racing, allows an endless technological arms race similar to F1 while keeping the field close (and allows for innovation that SOMETIMES trickles down to road cars), AND keeps sponsors and teams happy (basically any team that perseveres long enough will basically be guaranteed a championship-it’s just a matter of WHEN)…

NASCAR fans are the type of fans who will get mad over a 16 seed upsetting a 1 seed in March Madness and claim the 16 seed shouldn't be there and that we need to change the system because of that.

I have to say this there's no such thing as an undeserved champion everyone knew the rules when the season started and played by them perfectly yes is the format flawed absolutely there's things that need to be changed but I hate when people discard someone for winning the championship because it's not the Winston format guess what Bozo that is also a very flawed format every format has its flaws we just have to suck it up yes again I agree there should be changes but I just hate when people discard Championship runs like they're not impressive that any driver that wins the championship in any format is impressive they have to race their butt off and 100% just to win it which is hard to do from Blaney to Kurt Busch every single one of these drivers had to go through trials and tribulations to win their Championship under the chase/playoff format Sorry I went on a long tangent I had to say this I really hate the people that say anyone that wins a championship on playoffs or the Chase format are undeserved it's fucking annoying as hell.

2:28 FINALLY SOMEBODY SAYS IT

Under The Latford System Jeff Gordon would be The One as The 3rd Driver with 7 Championships alongside Dale Earnhardt & Richard Petty while Jimmie Johnson would only have 3 Championships. Which is still phenomenal Nevertheless.

Every points system will always have criticism

Hot take: there are more "undeserving" champions then actual champions in Nascar history. This is including the latford system

I always find it fascinating how the Wikipedia entry is used as an image quote. Greetings from the author of these tables. Great video :-)

Cup Series Points Standings (Chase Format)(Current system) 1. Christopher Bell 2135 2. Kyle Larson 2129 3. Alex Bowman 2125 4. Chase Elliott 2111 5. Austin Cindric 2110 6. Ryan Blaney 2105 7. Tyler Reddick 2097 8. William Byron 2094 9. Joey Logano 2093 10. Denny Hamlin 2089 11. Daniel Suarez 2085 11. Chase Briscoe 2085 13. Ty Gibbs 2074 14. Martin Truex Jr. 2064 15. Brad Keselowski 2048 16. Harrison Burton 2031

hes back :D

Jimmie is the biggest Chase merchant he would only have 2 championships in the old format, and Ben Rhodes is the worst champion in the playoffs era, was the 4th best driver in the final 4 and not even a top 10 driver during the season and has 2 championships with a whopping 6 career wins

I was pissed when Ryan Blaney won the title, Sure he’s a decent driver, But he’s not championship caliber, Byron deserved that title.

2021 Larson is still the best playoff championship

That vocal fry is atrocious

I really don't mind the current rules, it makes some regular season races for these guys feel special when they hear that a high profile Cup driver is racing with them

Not only do I like that the xfiniry regulars can have their glory now, but also appreciate that cup drivers can still do down and give them a challenge. Also appreciate top cup drivers driving for lower tier teams who've never won, helping them learn to work more with less. I think overall this is a win win for every party possible.

Anyone here after the announcement that Yeley will be running the Atlanta Playoff race in the 44 for Ny Racing Team part-time as he has done this season?

The 4 active NASCAR series that no one talks about...in the US at least. But The Most Ever. #NASCARInternationalSeries

21:27 Backed into??

I dont think ots any coincidence that it was around 2018 or 2019 where xfinity started becoming the consistently best race each weekend