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Definitely gonna get a new one

ha! trying to get same roll. been staring at my sub + rampage from years ago....

For the fusion I got demo and chain 🤠

For chill I got orbs and chain. The other one have chill and danger, curious to try out

love the ultrawide gameplay

The special GL with demo/unrelenting and attention orbs is the best legendary special in the game. Genuinely busted with attrition orbs

Epecurian is precision frame

Attrition orbs goes crazy with the GL!

The epicurean is a precision frame. The last wish fusion was an adaptive frame we got most recently

12:07 he has atrition orbs aslo

I got repulser brace and destabilizing on the area denial. Its an absolute beast

Explosive light, my friend, is the way 60%per shoot more dmg BS is good also

rapids have always been better adaptives when it comes to heavy gls, its just that rapids always had bad perks with the best combos typically being autoloading/envious with cascade/explosive light

I have a demolitionist with attrition orbs for the area denial gl and let me just say in a 50 wave onslaught I created around 350 orb in total

Great video bro! Keep up the good work 👍🏼

imo its gotd but worse. Imagine Ecthar could 1shot hit you while getting the symbols and simmumah permanently spawning knights and moths during dps phase and you have 1:1 the same dungeon tbh...

The special GL is S-tier with destabilizing rounds. I am clearing entire rooms in ranges of content with one or two shots. The volatile spread does the rest. My first drop (and only one with DR so far) also rolled with unrelenting, so I get that free healing from each shot. Makes my Titan a tank on top of all the other healing+energy feeding+explosions. Soloed the dungeon up until the last boss with that GL.

I liked the video, good work and thanks for the reference

UNFATHOMABLY BASED VIDEO

Weird the Destiny Vibe in game has been great since Final Shape came out. As a matter of fact as all the players complaining about Bungie have been out of the game the LFGs have great. Positive players willing to learn and teach. Lots of laughs.

This is gold!! Thanks for this video!!

a weapon review longer than an episode of anime, but without any chapter markers feels either incredibly low effort or a deliberate ploy to increase watch time. there is no way to find out where the useful information is going to be.

Thermal Erosion

YO, THIS IS CRAZY THANKS FOR SHOUTOUT BRO. AND GREAT BUILD I will be using this setup for sure!

I beg to differ on the comparison of aberrant to indebted. I think voltshot is more useful over all for end game type of content than heal clip, and honestly more than incandescent. It’s way more useful on champions and for easy add clear. But that’s just my opinion. I personally think every rocket sidearm is great right now. My go to lately for high end content is the call, nullify, and dragons breath or revision zero, indebted and edge transit with prismatic titan. But I know it all depends on what you’re going for and want out of the weapon for that specific content. Great content as always man. Found your content recently and have been enjoying it

I got this with the firefly-incandescent roll on my first time finishing Salvations edge and I haven’t really taken it off much since. Works so well for add clear

i love your old weapon breakdowns bro great stuff

I did hear your cat meowing near the beginning of the video XD

Yo nightmare, I love your weapon reviews. Keep up the good work. Can you do a build video about your titan build.

I just got this recommended on my home page and it's a fantastic video and point. I've been incredibly frustrated by the new deterministic recoil. Prior to it for PVE, I almost always wanted Arrowhead Brake on weapons with low recoil stats for this reason and it was a tad boring but it was predictable, which matters more. Last week, I spent 99 ritual engrams on a weapon to get the major perk combo I wanted only to find out that despite the recoil direction stat looking fine in the screen, the actual recoil was horrendous. If they're going to continue with this, I want more information displayed about it and I want barrels to be craftable/changeable. The best recoil pattern for a given weapon might be with Extended Barrel and a Counterbalance mod but there's no way to know what to hunt for anymore until you get it because 100 might not reliably be the most vertical anymore. Not knowing if your loot is something that will feel like shit until you get it is a bad thing in a looter shooter. Some people may say "well, learn your recoil pattern, manage it, and it'll be fine". This is easier in other shooters. In Destiny, I am regularly forced into specific loadouts for champion stunning or subclass synergy. You don't get to just stick with the five guns you have recoil patterns memorized for like Call of Duty because this is a game about buildcrafting now. You use what the build demands. When they decided on less predictable recoil patterns you "learn with time", it would otherwise be sound design, but I think they forgot the kind of game they're making. Also for PVE (the only mode I care about), I'm not gonna give up a perk like Demolitionist or Enlightened Action for Zen Moment or Dynamic Sway no matter how good they are. Anyway, you mentioned a lot that has been bothering me. I hope it catches on with some bigger Destiny creators as the way the information is presented and the way the player can influence recoil needs to change. Liked and Subbed

Hey this is a really good constructive point for the game actually, i like this and i think that’s something our community is lacking of. Keep going on this route i hope people will understand the point of view of someone who loves this game🫶🏻

In Destiny each individual Weapon has their own spray pattern they follow. Almost all MP Shooters have this system and its perfectly fine cause u have a variety of different behaving weapons that u can choose your fav and master it. There was an overhaul at some point, like for example removing zoom affecting effective range and recoil (Long Zoom reduced recoil kick a lot) Take for example the Riposte Auto Rifle. it always breaks out to the right at the beginning and then stabilizes upwards. Thats your spray pattern. The Recoil Direction helps keeping your pattern on that spray without jumping out to the right or left to a certain degree. When firing full auto the recoil direction is flowing from left to right. Having 100 Recoil Direction is a perfectly vertical line and removes any additional jumping from side to side. If u have a recoil cone that leans to one side, for example if u have recoil direciton of 61 the spray pattern has additional pull towards the displayed side. Thats why u should go for a recoil direction of 95, 85, 75 and so on, the cone is still perfectly vertically aligned but is wider which has extra movment jumping slightly left and right, however it still follows the spray pattern in a line. Your Imminence at 4:40 has an uneven Recoil Direction (93) which leans slightly left. T hats why the spray pattern moves to that side. So lets say u have 100 Recoil Direction there is still bullet spread. Stability helps keeping the bullet spray tighter around your Crosshair. However there is another mechanical layer affecting the direction. The Imminence u used at 3:50 for example has Dynamic Sway Reduction. Each shot while holding down the trigger grants: • 1 Stability • -5% Accuracy Cone Size • -10% Accuracy Cone Growth Reaches maximum strength after 10 shots, granting • 10 Stability • -50% Accuracy Cone Size • -100% Accuracy Cone Growth This reduces the penalty for shooting full auto holding your shots tighter at your Crosshair. (When hipfiring u can see that the crosshair has a inner and outer part representing your AIM. Thats why for example a higher airborne effectiveness stat reduces the penalty when jumping/flying which u can notice by a lot) There is also Zen Moment which is super Overpowered imo. It reduces recoil kick upwards and also keeps your aim super stable. at 5 Stacks u have : • Reduced Visual Weapon Shake by 75% • Reduced Reticle Bounce by 75% My Point is the Mechanics are perfectly fine. There is the Spray Pattern each Weapon has. Recoil Direction affects how stable it follows that pattern. Stability affects Accuracy Cone Jumping inside your Crosshair (Bullet Spread, how tight they are) Then there is ofc Bullet Magnetism / Hit detection, which is affected by Aim Assistance (Crosshair doesnt have to be perfectly placed on the Head to register as a Hit/Crit for the first shots, accuracy cone stat affects this). Bungie is just doing a poor Job explaining it properly in any of their descriptions. without 3rd Party Tools like D2Foundry / DIM we wouldnt know any details what perks actually do and even then it took me a lot of research and testing what factors affect aiming in what way. There should be a Guide/Menu where u basicly can browse through the Stat Values with an explanation how it works and can be affected by.

I think all weapons in the game should have the option to swap the barrel, mag, and master work, like crafted weapons, this way you have a way to make a gun feel better to the player. Having those items fixed even on random rolls, can ruin a weapon and its feel.

This is not worth getting. I was so hyper about it after watching aztec video lol. Got all rolls except incandescent one. Thought this pulse gonna go boom boom everywhere but no. Got it crafted today, got the final redborder. I felt like the BxR was better😅.. in terms of explosion lol.. best is tyranny and zauli in the entire game. I think Ep + incan is a must for solar weapons. Also I don’t like scout rifles much and this pulse feels like a scout tbh. And that energy slot will house sunshot graviton aberrant indebted etc.. Also, the best pulse jn the entire game is the oversoul edict. Make that one a priority

And Stability Masterwork and it's a laser Crafted mine same

It was suggested in the comments to test with a more Stability focused roll (60+) so I did. The higher stability does help, at least in the top half of the mag. The middle and bottom half love to make a 3 pattern and regardless of stability it always makes the pattern and it becomes stronger as you get deeper in the mag. Funny enough in my testing I discovered that Subjunctive (an SMG I have 20k+ kills on and enjoy) actually has an equally harsh pull to the top and left, but being that it is consistently high and left I guess I found it easier to adapt to. It seems the crux of the issue is Imminence's deterministic recoil pattern. You CAN build into recoil direction and stability to fix some of it, but it again becomes an issue of is it worth having to invest so much into a single stat just to make the gun useable? It's here if you want/need it, but unless you're okay with dumping everything into stability and recoil (Arrowhead/Steady Rounds/Dynamic Sway) I'd still recommend not prioritizing it.

Smgs as already most have said, arent in the best spot for PvE sadly I put away my repulsor/destabilizing Recluse (For Now!) In the vault. Smgs just feel a little lack luster in pve which sucks bc I too am a Lightweight frame enjoyer, absolutely my favorites. ❤ great review 👏 Subbed ✌️

elemental weapons have always had more sway and spread/deviation on the bullets, you can compare this to any 900 rpm on energy slot and feel pretty much the same. crafted this on pugi/chaos 2 weeks back, its a for sure a workhorse as long as i need an smg for barrier enemies. after that i just swap to my rufus. all and all its a great addition to the armory. would love to get an adept of same(ish) roll. BUT ON THE TESTING PHASE i tested it with 100recoil. figured the same shit as you did in the video. RIGHT, i went with the usual route that i allways end up on pve smg's smallbore for abit or range to counter negative range from steady rounds. problem solved. Deviation on this gun is as close to an kintetic variant(submission) as possible. feels almost the same. go with 60ish stability on it and you'll do just fine hitting most of your bullets as crits even on hip-fire, as long as your'e in somewere in the vicinity of optimal ranges.

Also, trying an smg on neomuna is useless, no one’s gonna take smg in activities with swords on ads.

i think it’s not that good because SMGs in general are not really good in PvE right now, like HCs are waaay better now, and double special are getting very popular

The only smg that can double glyhbreak easily

I dont normally comment on videos but you're a smaller channel and I figure you may see this. I wouldnt judge the weapon completely until youve tried enlightened action + chaos reshaped. Thats +50 handling +50 reload just for shooting the gun and the 20-35% damage buff with some small healing. Essentially you get frenzy stats and one for all damage Precision perks like firefly, dragonfly, outlaw etc just arent good on full auto high rpm weapons in my experience.

Demo and chaos makes my toes wiggle

You are right , I felt like the vow smg was far better in terms of “feel”

SMGs just suck IMO. Not enough ammo and don’t hit hard.

I only got 3 SE runs but did get this to drop..it does feel strange to use. Feels all over the place…..looks like crafting might not make a difference.

I spent 4 harmonizers yesterday and crafted one with pugilist/chaos reshaped. It pairs beautifully with my wishfull ignorance strand titan build. Smgs are in a bad pve spot right now beeing the lowest dps primary, but with chaos 2x , surges and unraveling rounds it felt nice. Having banner of war lets me get closer so i didn't notice the recoil.

Not sure it’s an indictment on Imminence as it is SMGs right

Don’t hate on my 2 man witness option lol 😂

Heck yeah man!!