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The way the railway folk helped was just amazing. Enough to make me optimistic about anything.

Or it's just a good story with some great buildings attached. However you feel is just fine.

They weren't just nice and helpful, they were nice and helpful while being nice and helpful.

Yes - you are 100% percent correct - I also get great seats in restaurants now - and Tesla are sending me a new car.

Plenty more videos on the channel with Fr Mark!

could we become a spin off you tube channel?😅

@@johnrozee2648 Hereticyclists?

More of lost items and general incompetence next week

Thanks! There was a non-trivial possibility all the content on the channel would have to be simulated. I wish I could have filmed it in reality - but I needed my camera which was in the ... well you get the problem.

Maybe - but next time I wonder if he could look after me by letting me know before the train pulled out the station. These saints are so fickle.

@@hereticatious They are still getting over being turned into Christian saints when they were perfectly happy being Roman gods.

Luck certainly - but beyond professionalism from the staff at Gravesend Train Station really did the trick.

That's dead right - when I first went in there - it was just breathtaking. I needed a minute or two to take it in.

Fab teacher - she's also got a tremendous commitment to the art. More coming up later in the year.

Increasingly I'm feeling I'm not alone

@@hereticatious like you the workings fascinate me. I don’t believe but I am grateful for those who do and keep these wonderful churches running. We play our part too!

As an atheist - I find confession so alien - but I'll say that Fr Sam demystified it beautifully.

I'm not going near this.

COE allow (nearly) everything it seems. Stations more common than not (in my non statistically significant sample). I need to get in more Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches to see how much variety I find there.

That quote seemed so ambiguous - I went and looked up the original - John 20:23. Now while there are some translations that are less elliptical, most "retain" the ambiguity. Surprising.

@@hereticatious .. different translations in different bibles. The KJV ( the most used .. who knows why!!?? 🤷) says ' remit'. The New English ( my bible but not so new) says 'forgive'! Take your pick. All mean the same thing. Jesus gave His authority to Peter and the apostles and generations of priests after them.

Not what I'm trying to do - but best of luck :-)

Yes - it does tempt you to try it out. But - just imagine how weird it would have been to end the interview that way (I did think about it).

I'll see what he says :-)

@@hereticatious please do. In a crazy world a deep dive into the nichest of niche is delicious. Thank you :)

I like the Beatles myself.

Interesting, I guess it's this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_of_Bolsena . I still demand the photographs.

Nice place to visit....,

Ah - but some turn naughtiness into lifestyle. I did (although in a completely different way of course).

Bourne Street was always an Anglican Church from the time of The Victorian "Anglo-Catholic" revival and in the wake of the Oxford movement. Newman and so many of his companions realised that the claim was untenable and unwelcome within the national established church. "Anglo Catholicism" was born at a contemporary moment with (Roman) "Catholic Emancipation". The same church building constructors and suppliers would have supplied the fixtures and fittings for this church. Newman set in motion a procession of conversions from the established church to the Catholic Church that continues to this day. Sad that Bourne Street which is an isolated island of sacramental practice in the Roman style is not now part of the "Ordinariate" which would make more sense but the building would have to remain a vexatious property belonging to the Diocese of London. Sadly it is little more now than a nostalgic piece of Sacramental (Roman Styled) congregationalism. Sacramental confession was provided for in the 1662 book of Common Prayer in the "Visitation of the sick" but this is in extremis. ¶ Here shall the sick person be moved to make a speciall confession of his sins, if he feel his conscience troubled with any weighty matter. After which confession, the Priest shall absolve him, (if he humbly and heartily desire it) after this sort. Our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners, who truly repent, and believe in him, of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences; And by his Authority committed to mee, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Ghost. Amen. With the advent of the ASB in 1980 the rite of absolution was removed mainly thanks to the vociferous protests of Bishop Colin Buchanan who insisted that it had no part in the protestant tradition. A form of "Ministry to the sick" was published separately but without the Authority of being endorsed by "The Church". The newer rites of the CofE appear to be open ended and less clear about "Auricular Confession" and the Words of Absolution "I absolve thee" but the reality is that the 39 Articles deny that this is a "Sacrament" when it appears to be specifically endorsed by the words of Christ in John 20.

Hi @Basaljet - great to know you're watching. I don't think anyone I met at Bourne Street was sad about anything. We had great laugh. The stuff about Bishop Colin Buchanan is interesting. His wikipedia page talks a lot about what he did and where he did it - but no real summary of what he thought. Is there a film in this?

Strangely ambiguous though - aren't they (see my other comment).

@@hereticatious Friend, what’s ambiguous and to which other comment do you refer? 🤔

@@thomism1016 see my conversation with @lynncw9202 - the ambiguity is with the word retain "hose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." - this could mean "If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." - or it could mean the priest take on the burden of the unforgiven sin (which may sound mad until you recognise that's what Jesus was supposed to do about original sin). Its such a weird way of saying it - but most of the translations take it as "retained"

I wonder if some take it as a challenge?

He was great on (and off) camera - I can't speak about his theological qualifications - but he certainly seemed to know what he was talking about.

I think it made the cut of the Best of Hereticatious - 2023 video - check it out ruclips.net/video/Vtl2XDzEQl0/видео.html

I'm not going to buy into the whole "infidel" thing on any level - but this article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Turkey#:~:text=Turkey%20is%20a%20secular%20state,%2C%20reformism%2C%20nationalism%20and%20statism. does say Turkey scores 2 out of 4 for religious freedom. I have to say - this is not my experience with Turkish friends. I guess good government is hard to get.

@@hereticatious I had to roll my eyes in disbelief that the Turkish court would seriously persecute someone with the charge of an insult to turkishness or deny a Christian a Christian burial or citing a church website as in some way pornographic.....Only in Turkey would one find such ludicrous thinking.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm just beginning to develop a vocabulary to distinguish this stuff. To me it's still just a really nice place.

Userds8no1 agree with you.

It occupies a very similar place. If we'd have had longer - I might have dug into the differences (the implied judgement, for example)

Excellent suggestion - I started reading this on the internet archive (though it seemed oddly resistant to me reading it all). Is Bourne street the model or is it explicitly mentioned?

@@hereticatious barbara-pym.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FBF20_Churches.pdf Don't mind me - apparently the model was St Gabriel's, Warwick Square 🥴

Clearly I need to visit an Orthodox Church - suggestions welcome!

@@hereticatious I wish that I could help you out with a suggestion, but I am not from the London area. I know that there are some churches in London, but I cannot recommend any to you as I do not know them. The only one that I know of is in Walsingham.

This is the wording we use in the Book of Common Prayer (Canada): The Priest may first say: THE Lord be in thy heart and on thy lips, that thou mayest truly confess thy sins to Almighty God. Then the Penitent shall say: I CONFESS to God that I have sinned in thought, word, and deed, by my own fault. And especially … I pray to God to forgive me all my sins for the sake of Jesus Christ our Saviour. Amen. Then the Priest shall say: Let us pray. O MOST merciful God, who, according to the multitude of thy mercies, dost so put away the sins of those who truly repent, that thou rememberest them no more: Look upon this thy servant, who most earnestly desireth pardon and forgiveness. And forasmuch as he putteth his full trust only in thy mercy, impute not unto him his former sins, but strengthen him with thy blessed Spirit; and whenever thou art pleased to take him hence, take him into thine everlasting favour; through the merits of thy most dearly beloved Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. After which the Priest shall absolve him (if he humbly and heartily desire it) after this sort: OUR Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him: Of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences. And by his authority committed to me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

These are the words we use in the Book of Common Prayer (Canada): The Priest may first say: THE Lord be in thy heart and on thy lips, that thou mayest truly confess thy sins to Almighty God. Then the Penitent shall say: I CONFESS to God that I have sinned in thought, word, and deed, by my own fault. And especially … I pray to God to forgive me all my sins for the sake of Jesus Christ our Saviour. Amen. Then the Priest shall say: Let us pray. O MOST merciful God, who, according to the multitude of thy mercies, dost so put away the sins of those who truly repent, that thou rememberest them no more: Look upon this thy servant, who most earnestly desireth pardon and forgiveness. And forasmuch as he putteth his full trust only in thy mercy, impute not unto him his former sins, but strengthen him with thy blessed Spirit; and whenever thou art pleased to take him hence, take him into thine everlasting favour; through the merits of thy most dearly beloved Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. After which the Priest shall absolve him (if he humbly and heartily desire it) after this sort: OUR Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him: Of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences. And by his authority committed to me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

You are my people - I am now humming the theme music.