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They flew over mine, twice.

In the US, mayday is usually reserved for immediate emergencies requiring rapid descent or otherwise and to grab attention. "Declaring an emergency" accomplishes the same task and gets priority handling but is generally not as immediately life threatening.

@@fire9110 Thank you so much for the clarification. This channel is riveting.

MCAS has nothing to do with controlling slats or flaps, and isn't even present on the 737-800, which is the aircraft that was involved here. MCAS only exists on the 737MAXs, which Delta doesn't even fly (yet), and is a flight characteristics augmentation computer that adjusts the elevator trip based on power inputs. However, no US airline was equipped with the MCAS options in a way that would have caused a crash like the ones that happened in Africa and Asia. Those airlines ordered cheaper variations of the airplane that allowed MCAS to be controlled by just one single source of airspeed and angle of attack data, whereas the US airlines that ordered MAXs all had chosen the option to have MCAS need 2 input sources.

A great subtitle and poetic: Slat Won't Retract.

Yep 737-832

They are required to ask souls and fuel in case of worse case scenario and for the rescue. If the worse does happen, they at least know how many bodies to expect among other reasons. Fuel in pounds for how bad of a fire and environmental impact but again also time in the air. Fuel in time for ATC and other teams to know how much time they have to effectively plan.

so they know how many to pray for, Jebus offers a discount package at all airports

Boeing 737-832

The lengths people will go to avoid NY traffic 😭

Apparently it was a slat that would not retract.

@@Q1776QNo bueno. Good call on returning back to the airport

Yeah I kinda wondered the same. Makes for zero workload on both sides. Speculation? I'd guess the published holds are way lower by like 10 or 12,000 feet lower. In a plane that isn't properly configured, you wanna keep some altitude. Just a guess.

They have to load the hold that’s a pain while troubleshooting. Vectors is simply turning a knob when they give you a heading.

@@JH-qqqqqiim They could have selected “present position” on the hold page of the FMS with 10-mile legs easily and quickly. Just saying…

@@justinbayse4417 see the other comment. The map is skewed...

@@justinbayse4417 I pulled up a map of the area, and the map is indeed oriented correctly. However, the difference between headings and courses would not be consistently 20-ish degrees. A headwind/tailwind would have no impact, while a crosswind would have an impact that varies as the angle changes. Something else is going on. Regardless, it's annoying.

The map is oriented to true north and ATC headings are referred to magnetic north which differs in this region by about 13 degrees from true north. 180 magnetic is about 167 true. The course flown may not be exactly as directed due to wind.

​@@Tom_239Wow 13° declination is a lot. But you are correct.

Its due to magnetic variation. This is what ATC scopes look like. A true west heading is somewhere between 280 and 290.

Thanks for your feedback.

LOL see my comment, similar to yours. I'm a retired Navy ship driver. The mismatch between ordered and displayed courses was driving me bananas 🍌

No it isn't, and one look at a map of the NYC metro area will show you this is correct.

@@noggin6870 yeah, you are right. I made a similar point in response to @jmWhyMe's comment, below. Something doesn't add up, but it isn't the map orientation.

This is basically the exact same orientation that FlightAware uses. Someone else said it's magnetic vs. true.

I hated the show but loved the intro music, lol.

Doesn’t matter.

21 Jul 2024

youre saying that an engine out on a twin doesn't even call for PAN?

@@catcherreeves5560 Very shocking to a layman. I understand the disconnect. An Engine Out is NOT an Emergency Procedure. It as Abnormal Ops. Now: It is always wise to Declare an Emergency or Pan for ATC handling purposes. I always did simply to OWN THE SKY AND AIRPORT!! But nothing to cause great alarm other than requiring Landing At The Nearest SUITABLE Airport ASAP. Now: you want to know what a real Emergency is to get hyper rattled about???::::: )))))))))) FIRE !!!!!!!!!!! Been there!!! Done that!!!!! 200+ yard Trail Of Fire going across Lake Michigan!!!! That will rattle your cage!!!!

Any engine failure is a mayday in my book.

@@saxmanb777 Well...There is only one Book that counts. And that is The QRH of a specific TE Airliner. And Engine Out is NOT in the Emergency Section. It is in the Abnormal Section. NOW: I have declared an Emergency but for one reason only. And that is ATC Handling and to OWN the Airspace and Airport !!!! Not because it is an Emergency. And I do not feel comfortable with a Captain that gets rattled of an Engine Failure. FIRE...YES.. Engine Out ..NO.. But that might not be correct in todays DEI Hires!!!!!

@@silverwings1843 umm okay. My QRH doesn’t really have an abnormal vs emergency section. So it’s up to us to decide how urgent it is. Either gets us the same priority handling from ATC. Since my QRH engine failure section says to “land at the nearest suitable airport” I’ll still consider that a Mayday. I had a failure in my sim session today in fact. I said Mayday each time like I have for many years. Never have been corrected by the instructors. I guess that makes me DEI.

If he can’t, then pilot states “UNABLE”. And does what he is able to do, or requires.

Engine out on a two engine aircraft is a Mayday.