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You can select "weak receiver" option

-35 is too extreme, could be a buggy measurement. What's you master ady sw2 volume? If that's normal, just don't use DEQ or run Audyssey measurement with sub volumes in green as instructed.

@@ocaudiophile Yeah, certainly not normal. I had to up the gains on the subs to 3/4 full to hit the green. I'll try out the Master ady and see if that makes a difference.

@@ocaudiophile Tried out the master and it has the same setting, -12db.

@@WAV-TheOldAudioFile Are you using an Android app? They have all sorts of bugs although Evo irons out most of them. Try running Evo with "force first mic position". Android apps usually get the first measurement right.

@@ocaudiophile Yes on the Android app - though it had no problem on my 3700h (vs my 3500h I'm working on now). I've just run with the 'Force 1st mic position' and the log isn't looking promising (pertinent log entries below): 4:21:34 PM [INFORMATION] Aligning subwoofer volume to best track the target curve between 30Hz - 80Hz (Dolby standard)... 4:21:34 PM [IMPORTANT!] Subwoofer - applied adjustment: -12.5dB. 4:21:53 PM [IMPORTANT!] Your bass management system is expected to measure flat down to {11.72 ± 0.18} Hz! 4:21:34 PM [INFORMATION] Aligning subwoofer volume to best track the target curve between 30Hz - 80Hz (Dolby standard)... 4:21:34 PM [IMPORTANT!] Subwoofer - applied adjustment: -12.5dB. 4:21:34 PM [INFORMATION] Available bass system volume adjustment range → { -11.5dB : 12dB } 4:21:34 PM [INFORMATION] Bass system delay headroom available after maxing out all tweaks → 34.51249933333333ms { -2.1624996666666667ms : 32.34999966666666ms } 4:22:03 PM [IMPORTANT!] Subwoofer(s) natural lowpass filter roll off frequency (as read from the original calibration file): 4:22:03 PM [WARNING!] SW1: 120Hz (not suitable for crossovers above 120Hz), set 'LPF for LFE' to 250Hz in the AVR for better LFE channel response! 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -32dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed to subwoofer SW1 volume level. 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -32dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed for subwoofer SW1. 4:23:09 PM [WARNING!] Subwoofer SW1 could not be fully compensated for auto-leveling! 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -32dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed to subwoofer SW2 volume level. 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -32dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed for subwoofer SW2. 4:23:09 PM [WARNING!] Subwoofer SW2 could not be fully compensated for auto-leveling! 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -36dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed for subwoofer SW1 for 'DEQ' ady. 4:23:09 PM [WARNING!] Subwoofer SW1 could not be fully compensated for DEQ auto-leveling! 4:23:09 PM [INFORMATION] -36dB Audyssey auto-leveling compensation needed for subwoofer SW2 for 'DEQ' ady. 4:23:09 PM [WARNING!] Subwoofer SW2 could not be fully compensated for DEQ auto-leveling!

You don't need to, just feed it to Evo as is. All necessary settings are adjusted in the script.

@@ocaudiophile Perfect, thanks! By the way, if you haven't heard it in the past few minutes - your work is amazing and incredibly appreciated!

@@WAV-TheOldAudioFile 😂Thanks I can't hear this enough.

My small contribution to your work. You have saved me hours of obsessive tweaking and not getting close to your work. I can now sit down and enjoy music or a movie. Thanks again.

Welcome!

Unfortunately no.

Well, you need a subwoofer of some kind at least for the first Audyssey calibration. Then you can run the Audyssey One Evo script on your AV receiver and set the subwoofer to "no" in the menu, then the front two speakers are automatically set to full range.

No, that will leave a lot of noise past 120Hz with a sub that can produce up to 250Hz.

I completely forgot to change the note to say something other than "Thanks" - As always, thank you so much for all of your incredibly hard work in making this script available for everyone to enjoy. This amount of money doesn't even come close to being enough, but hope that it buys you a few cups of coffee somewhere 😸

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Welcome!

It wouldn't matter in most cases unless either side is close to limits (input o routput)

You can use "force weak receiver" option.

@@ocaudiophile thanks 🙏

Wow, thanks!

Goodmorning Serko yesterday evening i could do with my Macbook Pro two calibrations one OCA target curve one Dolby Atmos Target curve, with your script and get two results with a normal distance for the Subwoofer no longer zero, important was to restart the Macbook, before restart the second one was again zero, the sound is fine, thank you very much for your great and intensive work Peter

Keep "no inversion". Is Evo selecting LFE + Main for your set up? If so, try using force Small option. If it's selecting small front speakers, try force large option. Finally, try all these with "force first mic position" option. I am sure you are gonna get great bass in one or more of these variations.

@@ocaudiophileMy fronts are far from full range (Arendal sound 1961 monitors). Do you still recomend ‘force large’?

@@Fanzy_Pants It will not harm your speakers in any way but may cause distortion in very high volumes (close to reference levels) if your AVR is not a very powerful one. What's the steady state roll off frequency of your fronts calculated by Evo?

⁠@@ocaudiophileOk, thanks. Roll off frequwncies from Evo - FL:80hz, FR:100hz

@@Fanzy_Pants I think you better keep them small...

Hey I recently mentioned the following elsewhere: Just thought I would mention (just in case for anyone with a newer Marantz AVR such as Cinema series) when setting bass extraction Eg 120 as part of LFE+main, it might not be stored/saved correctly. Once set and powered off at mains, when powered on you will notice it goes back to default 80hz. Set to eg 120 again (or whatever evo mentions) and again power off at mains. This time it should be retained. Although I tend to power off after every preset refresh, this needs an extra. Just something to bare in mind 😊 When uploading to a Preset, check settings and then completely power off. Once powered back on, check if all set/ok ( ake any changes and power off at mains again, repeat). Then you might not experience the swapping presets issue as described. I have the Cinema 40 and don't get this issue swapping but I go through the power cycle process first just to ensure its 100% all ok. Bit frustrating ..

@DigitalKirkley Thanks for your reply. I use the Marantz AVR control app and have checked all those settings. None of the settings change, only the bass output.

@@gbye007 Thanks for reporting. Let's hope they can focus on these real problems rather than improving HEOS a little bit and fix them in the next firmware update.

@@gbye007 No problem at all. Yes same here - via the "web control". The bass output does the same thing also however and definitely worth a full power-off restart. The other point to mention is sometimes going via the on-screen AVR settings (Not the App) and making the required changes/validation there also works and in some cases has retained changes when the App has not. (Going via AVR settings is when Evo asks to change a setting manually like bass extraction). I was going to report my observations via their support.

@DigitalKirkley You should report it for sure.

What model AVR? Directional bass conversion? I can't comment without knowing these butsub lpf 40Hz points at some oddity with the measurements.

@@ocaudiophile I use the same ady (8 point measurments) as I did with all versions. Denon 3800. Measurments are with directional bass. In comparison to v3z I had to switch polarity on sub 2 and the lpf went from 200hz to 40hz.

@@user-dq3tu3jq7r Try optimizing with "force MLP" option. For some reason seems to give better resuilts with directional bass ady files.

Are you using REW Beta 43 or later? When you right click on the page and select "Inspect" you should be able to see an error. If you share that with me, I can help understand what's the cause.

@@ocaudiophile I am using the beta 46 version . The last error that can be seen (I am not an expert) is Uncaught (in promise) A1 Evo Maestro.html:9294 RangeError: Offset is outside the bounds of the DataView at DataView.prototype.getFloat32 (<anonymous>) at generateFilters (A1 Evo Maestro.html:9294:58) at async optimizeOCA (A1 Evo Maestro.html:8935:7) Hope this can help you Thank you

That's an error thrown during the calculation of minimum bass response frequency. It might have been over 75dB everywhere causing this error which might mean your sub is running too hot. It should be in the green zone during Audyssey calibration. I will introduce a check for the next build. In the mean time, you can try running Evo with "force 1st mic position" option or adjust your sub's volume.

If your measurement mic positions were more than 60cm away in opposite direction from MLP, you should probably remeasure but listen the calibbration first, it might be just right. That setting is done in the AVR "LPF for LFE", nothing to do in the sub. Do everything that's orange and a warning in the optimization log. Evo will take care of the rest. I would first run everything at default and see how Evo rates my speakers and the dip removal efficieny numbers. Then you are free to choose. You should always test by ear afterwards with test tracks.

I am not aware of a buggy IOS version. This error shows that one or more measurmeents was at least 6dB different than the one at the first (central) mic position. Evo seems to have fixed it but if you want to get rid of it completely, use "force 1st mic position" option.

force weak

Non, un caisson de basses pouvant produire des signaux jusqu'à 250 Hz doit être filtré à 120 Hz comme d'habitude. Les choses que vous devez faire sont en orange et s'affichent sous forme d'avertissements. Tout le reste est fait par le script pour vous.

@@ocaudiophile merci beaucoup pour cette réponse claire et précise 🙏

Diese Aufgaben werden von Evo automatisch für Sie erledigt. Wenn die roten Warnhinweise Sie auffordern, etwas zu tun, tun Sie es. Wenn sie Sie auffordern, etwas nicht zu tun, tun Sie es nicht. Alle anderen können Sie ignorieren.

You must be doing something wrong during importing Audyssey measuruments

I could be wrong, but i'll guess you have a U-Mic(?) usb mic also? If so i load REW, delete all the cal files stored in properties, close REW, and then open it without the U-Mic plugged in. From there i can import the Audyssey stuff fine. I don't know if my problem is normal or needed but it solved a hurdle once so i keep doing it.

Hard to know with Y-cable set up but why don't you give it a try and test.

@@ocaudiophile I wanted to get your input before I tried it. Also, the Audioquest splitters I am using are really hard to pull out of the receiver. I had some Monster y-cables that caused a lot of static. These y-adapters fixed that problem, but they are not designed to be moved around much.

Your welcome!

You too!!

You don't need to if you are using REW Beta 43 or above...

@@ocaudiophileis use the rew 46. It standard is None. Do i need to change it?

It doesn't matter with Rew Beta versions after 43

Great to hear!

thanks !!!

Just when you think good could not get better. Loving this journey. Next time you are in Ireland, pints of Guinness are on me 🙂

I have missed Guinness. I think German beer is overrated!

@@ocaudiophile Blasphemie! 😤🤣

this is it, this is no minor update.. the sound quality is substantially better than any other versions

That's not a crossover setting although in your AVR it's changed from there. WWhen fronts are set to Large and subwoofer mode is set to LFE+Main, front speaker crossover setting is in fact subwoofer lowpass filter setting so you should do that there. Center speaker is randomly chosen as 2.75 when it's not in the original calibration file. It has no importance, time differences between speakers are what the AVR checks but if you wanna see them accurate then edit the original calibration in the Editor, change centre speaker distance by 1 cm and save. Then the correct settings will show up in Evo.

@@ocaudiophile ok that's very clear, thank you for your quick reply and your great work.

It does but you have to enter the celing height manually to your receiver yourself. You have to improt to REW whatever is in your calibration file otherwise script will not start.

Die Warnung ist normalerweise zutreffend, aber die letzte Version, die gestern hochgeladen wurde, hört danach nicht auf und geht weiter. Wenn Sie das nicht haben, laden Sie es bitte herunter. Auf der anderen Seite gibt es Verbesserungen in der Zeitausrichtung in der Version, an der ich im Moment arbeite, und ich bemühe mich, sie heute zu veröffentlichen.

@@ocaudiophile vielen dank für die Antwort. Bei mir läuft das Skript ohne Probleme durch.

Wait for the next update!

It could, try running with "force weak receiver"

The transferred calibration file has the correct seetings in it, you don't need to change anything.

That 120Hz is the lowpass filter frequency for the subwoofer, it doesn't apply to front speakers, front speakers are left as "Large" meaning they are not applied any crossover. Fronts and SW play together. This is LFE + Main mode. The next option is when front speakers are crossed over at 90Hz with the subwoofer meaning, SW takes over the bass from fronts speakers from 90Hz down. The subwoofer mode in this setting should be LFE.

@@ocaudiophile Thanks Serkan.... So these are the 2 recommendations (V3Z)... Fronts as Large... SW1: 120Hz (not suitable for crossovers above 120Hz), set 'LPF for LFE' to 250Hz & in the AVR for better LFE channel response! and [WARNING!] Please set 'Subwoofer Mode' to 'LFE + Main', set 'Bass extraction lpf' to 120Hz!.....: so we got 2 parameters 120Hz & 250 Hz.... NOW in the AVR with LFE+MAIN : 2 places to input this : Bass section to select LFE or LFE+Main and below it LPF for LFE setting (what goes here? 120 or 250)... Once LFE+Mains is engaged the crossover section for Fronts also opens up ( What is the crossover here? 120 or 250 )...

@@AbhishekSingh-fw7fv It's all written in the log: "set 'LPF for LFE' to 250Hz", "set 'Bass extraction lpf' to 120Hz!"

​@@ocaudiophile​@ocaudiophile I have a 4700h and I don't have bass extraction. I set lfe + main mode and set lpf for lfe 250hz. I need to change front crossover to 120hz, right ? Thanks a lot for your work.

It's adjusted so that all levels are equal at 90dB (-15 relative volume scale). Below that DEQ will boost the surrounds a bit more than other speakers. You can play with DEQ settings (ie change from 0dB to 5dB, 10dB...) that gives you the levels you like at your preferred listening level.

Same thing happened to me - turns out it didn't prompt for a save location and sent it straight to downloads. Look for a zipped file there by your original upload name with _extractedMeasurements at the end.

@@WAV-TheOldAudioFile Yes i used that folder but optimize calibrotion button not enabled

@@unalsarkaya3969Have you started the API?

@@iswardi_lives Yes every time

When same number of measurements in your ady file are imported in REW, that button will lbe enabled.

That's very normal behavior. Sub is aligned at a certain but different frequency for every LPF. v3z averages measurements with a more advanced technique.

Does your sub have some internal processing active? That might cause delays. Also try the "force MLP" option

@@ocaudiophile I use a B&W DB4S, I do not know if the SW has internal processing when make Audyssey measurements

@@user-rn8df2kn6y SW 0m is an extreme case and I have seen some others reporting it, too. I will check the script tomorrow morning. In the mean time, try running with "force large speakers" option, this will not only sound better if you have symmetric front speakers but also could change the sub distance.

Dear Serkan force MLP was no solution, I get a wrong distance a little above zero

I have my two measurements placed on google drive maybe this is useful for you drive.google.com/file/d/1ha138nlejtDCg4rxI_EAFI9gJTkdeP50/view?usp=share_link

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@@ocaudiophile Looks like my previous comment with the link got deleted. But again thanks for the video, will check it out! In the meantime here my .ady file. Anything you notice which cannot be handled with EQ? Thanks in advance! drive.google.com/file/d/17NxUPFjdlFcZz_XRSF_YmnQ7_OkqGJNZ/view?usp=drive_link

@@PumaFire Your optimized calibration files (one master and one with Dynamic EQ for low volume listening) and the optimization log are in the link below: drive.google.com/file/d/1swU8Z5FXzsoAd6uMy_Xk2TX3zQFeEsk8/view?usp=sharing Just transfer them "as is" to presets 1 and 2 in your AVR. You have to do some settings manually in the Denon: set subwoofer mode to LFE + Main, set Bass Extraction LPF for front speakers to 120Hz and you are good to go. The graphs look like it will sound great. For better immersive sound, you need to set the ceiling height very precisely for the dolby enabled speakers. But height effects will still be limited. For a major shift in the Atmos effect, you should consider hanging these dolby enabled speakers on top of front and rear walls.

@@ocaudiophile Finally got to test your files and it does indeed sound even better now! But what did you do differently? I never got the message to set it to LFE+Main und LPF to 120hz. Huge thanks again to you and your continous efforts to improve an already amazing script!!

I haven't updated the mqx script for a while. Keep in mind they will not have the correct mic calibration file.

@@ocaudiophile Yep ! But nothing wrong happens under 5kHz.

standard AUdyssey mic has no correction in the calibration file below 3000Hz but purchased calibrated Audyssey mics do.

For me, I think because EVO 3Z changed my Front speakers back to Small from how EVO 3X set them to Large/Full, it definitely seems a lot less dynamic, but that probably means it's also more seamless and more accurate.

Also, I understand I can adjust the volume through the AVR but I was merely making an observation that level wise the new version starts much lower in volume.

Try with "force first mic position" option and see if that fixes it. You might have some off measurements in your original file. Evo adjusts everything to 75dB at the MLP.

Yes, that's possible. I can't remember the name but there are free softwares that can do this.

@@ocaudiophile - Any Reverb plugin that accepts IR's should, in theory I think, be able to do this. Sounds like a fun experiment to run if I ever get some time.

Your sub seems to have very low volume. Can you share your original ady file? Upload it in google drive and post the link here, otherwise YT will delete it.

@@ocaudiophile drive.google.com/file/d/1UVJ4MxEmqmBz0hxvE9_D3PFBun4m5ljo/view?usp=drive_link

If you used REW BEta 43 or above for optimization, you don't need to.

You don't need to correct it, speaker disatnces are not important, time differences between speakers are what the AVR checks for but if you want them accurate, edit center speaker distance in the app, change it a little and save before sending it to your PC.

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