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I noticed in your video the bike is on a 2x4, and it looks correct. That is one gripe I have with my 390 RS, the kickstand is at least an inch too short. I put heavier springs for 270lb rider, and it made it ever worse. They don't offer an extension or a longer kickstand.

Excellent fair comparison. AJP PR7 for me after owning 3x 690s. Good bikes but for al the reasons you stated PR7 tops them.

I have had stedi led lights on a bike before and they work very well but just like having spotties on a car only much smaller

How many Km have you put on your AJP PR7 now?

Great video. Has the ignition been faulty since? My 2022 model has shown similar symptoms. After a ride, went to turn on the ignition and nothing? Turned the key a few times and was able to get it started to get home. Will have a look at the barrel. Was it easy to remove and pull apart? Anything that wasn't shown on the video I need to be aware of. Thanks

Much Enjoyment 👍😎

Great video, what standard ring spanners would you recommend to take on my bike? I noticed you only showed 3

So that Toolkit is $45USD plus $68 Delivery = $170 AUD. Is that what you paid Steve?

Awesome

I'm gonna get one of those at some point of time

AJP PR7 all day long - owned both - still have PR7…😜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Much Enjoyment 👍😎 AJP for me 😂

Did you do any remapping of the ecu for the rade garage airbox? I heard the bike will run too lean with the stock fuel map and that filter

like the vids mate, shes a beauty too,looks much better lowered. Old but, still gold.

I have a 2023 KTM 890 Adventure R and they do have serious problems with quality control. Brand new bike, tires flat, so I take it to dealership and they fuck around and a few weeks later, tires flat again, take to dealership and they fuck around then a month or so later tires flat. Something is wrong with the rims that make it really hard for them to hold air. They hold air now but I think the dealership got sick of me and pumped a bunch of slime in them. First month of riding and coolant leak, upper radiator hose connection. I do not take it to the dealership but instead buy my own silicon hose set and clamps and take the whole fucking bike apart and replace the hoses myself, hasn't leaked since. First time washing the bike, and turn signals shorted and stuck on. I fuck around and find the internal wiring on the instrument cluster has nicked wires and pinched wires so I order a new one. New one comes and I check the inside to make sure its ok but I must take apart the whole faring and get the very back of the enclosure to a bracket and undo the plug from bracket and put the new one in, very difficult job. Put the bike back together only to find another wire pinched and shorted on the engine kill switch, WTF, I just splice it this time as I wasn't in the mood to go through what I just went through. Now I worry about the cam wiping problem, its not the cam but an oiling problem. The oil passage to the head has a screen that can get blocked causing lack of oil to the head and thus cam. my plan is to buy a wrecked bike and take the engine out and have it built with hot cams and solve the oil passage issue and when the cam gets wiped in my original engine just swap them. How successful I am with this plan remains to be seen. Otherwise the bike is a beast!

Ride report: just got back from a 3 week adv ride in Portugal and Spain and my two sisters rode the Himalayan 450s and didn't like the experience at all. Problems are design, the foot pegs are in a position that makes it difficult to move the bike around because you feel the need to put feet in front of the pegs but that give little movement ability so there's something off in that design choice. The seat is shaped in a way that doesn't make it easy to maneuver the bike, its closer to a saddle design instead of a dirt bike design so it spreads your legs out wider and coincidentally takes away from reach to the ground. My sisters daily riders are Triumph tiger 900s and they say they have way way more foot reach than the 450s, that's a big problem. The bikes can be over sprung too and mid trip we had to find a dealership to adjust the spring on one bike because the rider was only maybe a buck fifteen and couldn't touch but with tippy toes and had to let all the spring out only to find the improvement was marginal. The good: bike sips gas, in comparison I was riding a Tenere 700 and had to gas up twice for ever one of the 450. They can cruse at 70 to 80 MPH of 80 to 130 KPH no problem. final thoughts, potentially a great great bike but poor design choices are going to have customers disappointed after purchasing them, especially female riders. Both my sisters were overjoyed to get back to their Tigers and said the overall experience with those bikes was disappointing.

Hope you’re well Steve! I’m pretty new to off-road riding and should collect my new PR7 before Xmas. Have you done a video on your tools you use/take on rides? Heaps of clips on RUclips for general stuff but I’d love your advice on this specifically on the AJP if you ever get time. Great to hear you’re recovering well from surgery. All the best. 🍻

Steve, I have to ask about vibrations to the grips and bars running single cylinders bikes between these two. Any feedback on the feedback of these two bikes? Lol, pardon the pun 😂

I went on the AJP site for a look, finding out that the bike costs over 19k in Australia turned me off straight up. I went 690, it still needs mods and is expensive in its own right. Should be comparing the 19 and up model.

I've never ridden an AJP nor seen one in the flesh, and I've probably spent collectively an hour on a 690 which I was quite impressed with. I've owned a DR650 and frankly I sold it as it was hands down the most boring bike I've ever owned. But for me, with all that I've seen, read and heard, it'll be a PR7 for me when I have the funds to make it happen. I too like simple bikes and my limited experience with KTM ownership has not been great. Great comparison, thank you.

I love your new series, crusing in memory lane... Well done mate 🎉.

Clearly AJP ! Comfort, suspension far better made, and most important…its safe at high speed offroad

AJP by far tops 👍

the only sensible choice is the ktm exc500

I test rode all the KTM range (690, GG700, Husky701) on several occasions at different events and they never felt "right" to me and the motors were just not to my liking needing to rev like that. I rode the AJP one time at an event and was sold. I don't need the aggressiveness of the KTM line of bikes and the AJP comes with so much already in place vs the KTM lineup. I only needed to add a rear rack for loads and chose to update the fuel filler (ask any PR7 owner....your mates are filled up and on a second coffee when you finally get the PR7 filled stock) and will do a few other recommended changes but no major purchases for this bike to do what I like. Its easier to work on and super simple. Agree, you don't get ABS and riding modes, but you just have to keep that in mind when riding. All of my other ADV bikes are old 1st gen anyway with no technology so I'm used to it. Only issue is dealer network for most of world. Even here in western Europe its semi scarce but they are responsive (being a small company) to questions and parts requirements. I have about 4000km on my AJP and really enjoy it. I would rank it in the top 3 bikes out of over 50 I've owned for fun factor and man I do love when other riders or kids on the street give me a big thumbs up because it looks the part stock. Great videos on a little covered bike!!

So which is the better option for slow riding the fire trails and dirt roads?

Good comparison based on real experience - thanks. That said the PR7 is my unicorn too..

love the way this bike looks. Just wondering if its fine to use for day-to-day city commuting

Interesting that you mention the ktm 530's (2008-2011) as well regarded bikes, as most ktm fans kind of regard the xc4 motors on them as duds. No question the frame and suspension still hold up tho. The older generation ktm rfs 525exc bikes (2000 - 2007) are much more well regarded and I've read quite a few people comparing the 525's long stoke to the beta 390's.

Sold my 790R and bought a MT450 - kitted it out cheaply (high seat, pannier frames better rubber) and it is a nicer bike than the 790 for the type of riding I do. That little twin is a pearl. It gets better the more miles I put on it. FKTM.

Not the first time I hear this type of rant but well said. Big brands are comfortable just releasing the old school I'm glad they have competition now

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In my 48 I am going to GYM to have the best abilities and experience in adventure/offroad... here I see bellies/boobies talking about adventure motorcycling. I am confused.

350/450 single or twin cylinder bikes are the best offer. We know this from long time ago. But brands wiped out this size of bike in favor of +650 cc bikes or underpowered 125/300 engines. They wanted us to go for the big ones so their profits rise. Chinese and Indian brands are now releasing fantastic 350/450 cc machines and Japanese and brands like BMW should react. BMW is the epitome of this nonsense not selling its carismatic boxer engine below 1200 cc.

On a work visit to Wuxi China I saw how they build mechanical equipment. I have also seen the standard of Indian equipment. I have also owned British, German and numerous Japanese bikes. It is no contest, Japanese all the way for me.

As an avid sportsbike rider that transitioned to nakeds at 50 and now don't ride due to speeding fines and overall costs. I still mountain bike, but a Himmy 450 or crf300 rally may sway me to get out on the adventure trails... We are all aging...

I think the manufacturers are hamstrung by Government regulations, and are also squeezed financially. Australia forces manufacturers to fit ABS to all new registered models, which adds weight and cost. I don't want ABS on a 250cc trail bike, and I don't like paying an extra $1000 for stuff I don't need. Sure, have it as an optional extra for people who do want it, but to be mandatory?? Suzuki reluctance to update the DRZ400 or DR650, is understandable, because even if they could get them to comply with new emissions standards, it could make them heavier, more expensive, and potentially price them out of their little niche market share. Kawasaki have the registered fuel injected KLX300 in the US, but not here in Australia. We still have the old Carbureted KLX250. Perhaps there are not enough sales of the Honda CRF300 to justify the expense of Kawasaki making the KLX300 comply with ADR's. Your 200kg weight limit is still too high for me. @60kg my upper weight limit for an adventure bike is more like 140kg, which rules out all the twin cylinder models. I rode the MT450 and was very impressed. But for me, most twins are good for highway & dirt roads only, as they are too much of a handfull in single trails.

Both are great looking bikes and based on sales and reviews they go and sound pretty good....but the weight at about 200kg wet, that's a deal breaker for me. My age and back issues makes it difficult enough picking up 150kg in some situations..200kg no chance. Pity as I really like the look and sound of the CF Moto.

One tip I would add is, actually take air filter out and check the boot to throttle body you will soon see dust on that boot if its been dusted ppl get a tad lazy and don't clean that to hide a dusted motor they usually just clean the filter and think they will never know. Just my 2 cents Steve.

Love the content Steve! I’m talking to Bike Edge Wodonga at the moment re a potential 2024 PR7 purchase. Any advice heading into the negotiations? Is not my strong suit 😂

In 60s Japanese bike were better than the others. Now chinese or indian are poor, cheaper copies. Price is THE ONLY reason people but them (and create ideology ). I saw last chinese bikes, I rode RE - none of them is european or japanese quality level. "KTM, BMW are made in Chine". Oh My God; how many times this "argument". These motorcycles were designed by europeans - chinese is only workforce. IPhone is also chinese product? Till now chinese are not even able to designe engine - only small cc engines are really chinese. No, this is not like 60s period - chinese and indian bikes are NOT same.

Great tips! Cheers

Exactly 12 months ago I bought a Voge 650 unseen from a dealer advertised at a price that appealed. I thought I’d go back to my old big thumper days and enjoy the thrill of vibrations all over again. I wore my pessimistic hat on throughout the journey the collect the bike….what on earth have I done? I was amazed when I saw it, looking clean well presented, although it had 1600 miles on the clock at 18 months old. This bike came complete with luggage, tpms, tubeless tyres and much more. On went the optimistic hat. At home, as I do, stripped the thing down and put grease where grease should be, checked it over thoroughly and found the engineering qualities to be equal to anything from Europe or Japan. I have a Tenere World Raid but that has been almost idle since the Voge arrived, this Voge 650 is so much fun but without those awful vibrations you experienced from bikes of yesteryear. Yes…there are vibrations but I have covered over 250 miles in a day with no problems. Well…..today coincidentally……I collect a brand new Voge 900 as a result of the quality you get from the Voge range of Loncin motorcycles. Check these bikes out…..you literally get everything and more than a KTM 1290 (according to a friend who has one) for £9199.00. (Bhp excepting but where can you use that power nowadays!?) Basically a BMW 900 clone if you like with all the extras. I even made a small profit on the 650. Voge do not make Chinese crap motorcycles, ok, no printed manual, the pdf version is lacking and in Chinglish but for the money they cannot be beaten. I am of the age when Honda imported their range to the Uk and we scoffed mercilessly, only to find that whilst we were playing yo-yo with the kick starts on our British built bikes, the spotty faced youth on his wee 250 was up the road and turning left. Certain Chinese manufacturers are the new Japanese. You will always have the snob brand owners who pay silly money in order to brag at the bike meets but at the end of the day it’s a motorcycle and if you compare the actual residual value %’s, you will be pleasantly surprised. I have seriously abused the 650, enjoyed every minute, laughed at those who, out of ignorance scorned the fact it was made in China only watch them get on their bikes assembled somewhere on the globe from parts made in where?????….China. Foolish people!!!!! I’m off to polish my helmet in readiness to take delivery of my new bike and the sun for a change is shining here in the UK….not Japan. Penny wise, pound foolish.

Howabout a new XR 650 R electric 6 speedbox

Longevity, is wear the will fail !

I'm in the market for crf300 vs beta alp 4.0 vs fantic caballero rally, but hi, I'm still not convinced about the Chinese... The drz with act gearbox maiby, but still it well come very expensive to slipp the case...but... Spr is an enduro bikes as long as I know. Isn't it? Superdual maiby? Ajp expensive... Himalayan, havey. Cf moto and kove Chinese with ktm engines, and the kove in particular with 790 problematic engine... From the ktm only the v twin and enduro engines (husaberg design?) have been reliable enough. Enduro engines doesn't have the longevity in them. Where are the old 2 strokes. Today's 2 strokes are build for 10k km? Is it enough?... So lightweight dualsports are still the crf300, dr650, drz400... Yamaha wr350, with half t7 engine, will be a good bike...

Very good video Steve. Watched a few videos on this topic. You really don't need much more than 450/500. And China is listening. Like the Japanese used to listen. Riding for 50years now, I downsized 2 years ago to an NC750. Thinking now I should have stepped down to the 500cc class. Still enjoying the bike though. Cheers from NZ

Agree mate. I think the big manufacturers might be having to play catch up soon both on offering and price. They have had all the fundamentals there but seemed to have maintained a divide between light weight and heavier touring oriented options. So easy to tweak existing models to make a lighter Dakar/adventure style bike. All the best with your recovery👍

Japanese bikes have never been rubbish, that was just european/ british jealousy back in the 60s and 70s as most Euro/British bikes were getting thrashed in the racing by Japanese bikes. Still plenty Japanese bikes running from those days, not sure youll be able to say the same thing in 60 years about current chinese models or euro brands.

As a Ktm 790 Adv owner , I’m seriously considering buying the new Himalayan 450 as my Touring machine, I really love what RE India had been doing, great strides in the last 10 years Cheers !