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Go with Tenere 2024. Dont understimate emotional value.

I’ve personally owned the Tuareg, Tenere, Norden (std)and trans alp. Tuareg is the absolute best out of the bunch hands down. Better suspension (Equal to the WP xplor), engine is smooth, power delivery is excellent along with fueling, seat is comfortable, chassis is superb, tubeless wheels without the BS sealing band that comes in the KTM/Husqvarna wheels. Also, no extra charge for ride modes, slip adjust, ABS off means ABS off oh yeah and cruise control. Trans alp is a glorified road bike, Norden engine is a rocket ship and the tenere is basically the Honda civic of the ADV bike world. My only issue with the Aprilia is the dealer support network.

3 beers maybe LOL

I agree with your comments on the reckless 40,only used mine a couple of times,and it now is demoted to shed art.

I would not short shrift the Suzuki 800. Yes, it is heavier than the TA and T7, but it has better suspension than both, a fantastic engine and does not feel as heavy as the T7. Plus, it doesn’t have the goofy electronics interface of the TA. All three bikes are as reliable as a hammer.

Great chat. We have the exact same needs from a bike so I really enjoyed your break down of potential bikes. Sentimental reasons alone you should go with the Tenere however the Tuareg for the win.

It’s not a twin nor sub 200kg but if we are talking “mid sized”’Advs in general then my choice is the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. All I had to do was add the larger rally pegs and change out the stock hand guards for barkbusters - done. It is an extremely well rounded, versatile Adv/Tourer, very good on and off-road and has all the mod-cons if people want the tech. I get your opinion about plus 200kg bikes being a limiting factor for some people’s skill/strength. It’s not an issue for me though even at very slow speeds negotiating obstacles off-road or to pick up.

Gas Gas “fitted” for $23K. Bargain….not. Triumph was/is doing a deal to clear 24 stock. I just got a Tiger 900 Rally Pro in Khaki (which usually costs more than the black or red) with a Akrapovic exhaust worth $2300 pre-fitted in the pricing for $24500. I also have a 500 set up as a light Adv. 15l tank, rear rack, larger pegs and a OEM screen ($75 bucks) and off you go. The RE 450 is an outstanding bike. One that seems to be off people’s radar and another excellent option is the Triumph Scrambler 400X. It has options for a OEM screen (of sorts) and a rear rack. While I think the RE is the better option for range and longer distance highway legs the Scrambler may suit those who want a smaller lighter bike.

for touring - get one with cruise control

Is hip angle a consideration for you? Tall seat with lower pegs? The T7 felt way better to me ergonomics wise than the 890s for that reason. The T7 just doesn't have those magic 890 tanks that make the 890 perform so well off road. I suppose any bike could have a taller seat fitted.

You eliminated the "Norden 901", but you pictured the 'Norden 901 Explorer' - which has very different graphics than the 'Norden 901', and is quite a different bike. Do you dislike the looks of both? Also, you seem to have only considered the KTM 790 / 890 Adventure (NON "R" version), and you pictured the 2022 and earlier model - was this intentional? As for the front end looks, the 2023+ models have a different look - have you considered one of those? And your reasons for eliminating them was you "don't like the fact that there is so much technology put into these bikes", and that you have to pay to unlock it. I would say these reasons are invalid because other bikes you considered in this video are more expensive, AND have lots of technology - which you pay for in their higher prices anyway. So what's the difference? Having ridden many of the bikes you considered in this video, KTM's "technology" is superior and a game changer - you don't know what you're missing until you try it. And I'm used to old school motocross bikes with no "technology". As for the front end looks, the 2023+ models have a different look - have you considered one of those? It sounds like you say many time in the video, "deerer bike" - what is that? And I think your reason for eliminating the Tiger 900 Rally Pro is not reasonable. Have you ridden it? I guarantee you that you can't feel the difference between its 17" rear wheel vs an 18". Tire choice makes a much bigger difference. But the triple motor on the '24 Tiger Rally Pro is soooo smooth, sounds awesome - maybe the best in this category, is comfortable on road, and very capable off-road. And isn't even comparable - in any way to the CF Moto you pictured. I think you place way too much emphasis on the paper specs - especially the weight spec. Every manufacturer weigh their bikes and report that spec differently; curb weight vs dry weight vs wet weight, etc. It's hard to fairly compare printed spec weight accurately. And some bikes are purposely stripped to make the spec lighter, but when you upgrade the stripped parts - like crash bars and skid plate, all the "middle weight" bikes weigh approximately the same. For example, a ready to ride offroad BMW F900GS weighs no less than a similarly appointed Desert X or Tiger 900 Rally Pro. So to fully consider the F900, you need to understand the difference between GS and GSA, AND the 'packages' choices you have to make for each - because you can't just buy a BMW 'base' model - which is what the spec weight is based on. The one that weighs significantly less is the KTM - no crash bars necessary. You narrowed your final two down to the 'lightweight' category T7 and maybe Transalp. IF performance is the primary goal, neither of these bikes compare to the KTM 890 Adventure R. The 890 Adventure R has significantly more power than the T7 AND the best suspension of ALL these bikes. The 890 motor has a wider power band and feels less 'tractor'y than the T7 to me. I think a better strategy for you would be to sell your AJP, and replace it with a high performance dual-sport like a KTM / Husky or Beta 500 - because 690 singles don't do anything really well. Then reconsider getting either a Desert X, F900GS, or Tiger 900 Rally Pro - which are very similar top of the line bikes, except the Tiger has the very exciting triple engine, or an 890 Adventure R - best performance of these top four middle weight Adventure bikes. IF those four are outside of your price range, then consider a 2024+ KTM 790 Adventure, or the lightweight Adventure class - the T7 or the Taureg 660. Between those two I would get the Taureg 660 - better suspension, lower center of gravity, and better appointed. Unless you really like the T7 for whatever reason - then get the T7. I personally don't care for the Transalp looks, specs, or suspension reports, but in all fairness I haven't ridden it. What I have ridden is the Tiger Rally Pro, Desert X, 890 Adventure R, KTM 690, Taureg 660, T7, Africa Twin, and various 500's, and many of my friends have BMW's. All the bikes on your list are potentially fun and you would enjoy any one of them; I just hate to see you make your decision for the wrong reasons - which I've outlined above. good luck

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your AJP is not an "Adventure" bike. "Adventure" bikes have multiple cylinders. Since the AJP is single cylinder, it's a "dual sport", just like the KTM 350 & 500, CRF 450RL - all "dual sports" and not "Adventure" bikes. Sure - you can have an adventure on any bike, but words have meaning, and in the case of the "Adventure" motorcycle category, single cylinder bikes don't qualify.

Well we'll I think you need to rethink cf moto 450 under 10k then spend 5k ,change exhaust get a flashed ecu from uncle wang and it will have plenty of go, do your own decal kit . They have amazing write ups kyb forks 17 litre tanks and not to heavy. Go test ride one ?

I came off the Tuareg onto the AJP - it's a seriously good bike been off-road Sydney to Melbourne twice.. low COG easy access air filter and dead reliable. Fantastic suspension! Reason I changed no longer needed to ride slab to get to the dirt, love the PR7 but still miss the Tuareg. Ride it first before you discount the looks..😅

Aprilia Tuareg gets my vote. Personally I find it better looking than the Tenere. Supposed to be a heap of fun on the road end most capable off road of all the bikes.

Honda...then chuck some suspension in it......

Aprilia Tuareg 660. Clearly the best compromise out of the box.

The best bike is A) something you’re comfortable on B) something you don’t have to add a heap of f$@king accessories too is handy😂

Exactly - you need to ride them first. Specs mean very little. Going through the same process and narrowed down to Transalp or Desert X. If you ride the Ducati, you will probably want it. It is not top heavy and narrow seat diminishes the 870mm height. (on sale at present too)The transalp feels light also and is a sweet motor. Both bikes have the airbox issue, but to be honest, how often do you need to change them. Pity the Aprilia is a hot box. As of yesterday the head was saying TA (my heart is with Ducati) and disregarded the tube type wheels, as I said I hadn't had a flat in over 20 years. Guess what - this morning go to ride my Metralla and flat tyre. The term unreliable is loosely thrown around at anything not Japanese. As for the KTM camshaft lobes - the problem is the oil pump is too small and will only do it's job at high revs. So can't see that being rectified any time soon. Good luck in your search.

I've been eyeing off this market myself. I've never ridden any of them, but for me it's the T7 at this point. It's off road credentials and reliability are what draws me to it, although it's not a hard bike to look at. Would the PR7 not be suitable for your trip?

Low km Tenere 700 and put the new twin safari tanks on it would make a good package at not a bad price. I have a T7 my wife has a Transalp if you start pushing it you fine the suspension limits pretty quickly. As for weight we have layed them down and lifted them Tenere,Transalp,CB500x I reckon lifting by the handlebars you'd do well to pack I rekon.

Twin cylinder is in its own element for sure when it comes to eating up those long miles! Simplicity, reliability and a balance of comfort & practicality is a challenge to find that balance without a compromise as you know! It would definitely be between the tenereT7 & honda transalp for me! Curious to know what the tenere world raid/rally raid would be like with a lower centre of gravity with the fuel tank design! Can't beat the sound of the tenere twin motor and its reliability! So in my eyes definitely would consider taking a later updated model tenere for at least a test ride and watch some reviews hosted by Iran from Big Rock Moto!

Funny our tastes are quite close. Before I put $ down for the PR7 (delivery this coming week) I had a short list of bikes- Toureg, F900GS, Transalp were all in the mix as well as the base 2024 Africa Twin. I’m already saving bikes on BikeSales for my second machine down the track. But will look to really get to know the AJP over the next couples of years before adding to the garage. Great video Steve! One day be cool to have a beer and chat over these machines! 🍺. Out of the two you’re tossing up I’d go the XL750. Like you say more road oriented and you’ve other bikes for the dirt!

For the huge KMs / type of riding your planning, the Honda Transalp 750 is a no brainer. I had the T7 and sold it as top heaviness was a real issue, reducing its off-road credentials. Either way, both would be reliable so enjoy it!

Sold my T7, great on road but, for me, it was too top heavy off road. I was always by myself and chose not to take certain routes due to the fact I could get in trouble.

T7 and transalp are the two I'm also stuck on.. I've got the 450 lightweight. Just can't choose for the next bigger twin😅

Questions you need to ask yourself. Which one is least likely to let you down, and which one would you prefer to be stuck with in the middle of nowhere with if it broke down. Pretty easy choice. T7. I also do not like electronics.

Out of the four you mentioned I would go for the t7 Tenere personally. Touareg would be second choice due to some or many niggling issues with their road bikes. I would just want to see their reliability first for remote routes.. The transalp has little ground clearance and the oil filter position looks vulnerable.

Good info, thanks for sharing!

Thanks and good marketing 101... Companies could due with someone like you in their common sense dept. Cheers. Ps. I'd loose the "Japs" reference ...

There need to be more reviews like this. Awesome job.

So you go out with a few T7's and Africa Twins and they take off on the tarmac and you struggle to keep up, that's 20 percent of the days ride. The next 80 percent is dirt, mud, single track and those tanks barely make it, yet you have to "wait up" for them. They didn't care when they were on the hard deck, but now it's a safety issue??? I'd rather have my 390 at 115 kilos any day

KTM has always had quality and reliablity problems for 30+ years. I had a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI seize 2 times in under 7.4 total hours of trail riding. The 2nd time KTM put a new crate motor in it which was 500% better.

CFMoto 4 wheelers are very good, reliable, well built & no where near as pricey as the Japanese 4 wheelers

SWM is funded by a Chinese company but manufacturing is still in Italy. Here is from the SWM page - Funding for the company has come from China via the entity Shineray Group. SWM will keep manufacturing in Italy at Biandronno near Varese, in the old factory of Husqvarna.

All of this is logic which has no place in business 😂

I had a TT350 many years ago and it was such a fantastic little bike, and so reliable. A lot of bikes later, I still look at the TT when I see one pass by and I smile. This is a great vid for a young bloke on a budget. You nailed it.

Selling my Africa twin to go smaller 1st choice was ktm790 not now ktm are in strife.2nd cfmoto 450mt so once gone it looks like cfmoto for me.still have my baby a xl500r 1982 .

Nobdy will ride these days. My two mid 20’s sons were raised on dirt bikes, but are both too chicken to ride a street bike. Back in the 70s and 80s we had balls as big as grapefruits.

The AJP/SWM 610 engine is still made in the factory in Italy, just now SWM is owned by Chinese

I like the bikes with the high tank as it makes the seat hight lower so my short little legs can reach the ground

CF Moto KTM on the skids and going broke beware.

With the speed limits and high fines I think the 250 Suzuki V Strom looks like quite a good deal and at $6490 ride away the price doesn't look to bad either.

I’ve been riding a 94 DT200R. Got some rhinowalk bags for it. Now that’s lightweight! 122kg wet.

At 67 I'm still riding and haven't had a hip operation, I suppose yours is because your getting old or maybe you dropped your heavy traily bike you better have another rest while the rest of us go riding. lol cheers have a quick recovery keep riding your a long time dead and time doesn't wait for any man ..... or women .

The only thing I would disagree with you is that you are an expert 👌 Amazing comparison. Thanks.

Given the higher rpm needed for most of these 450's on the highway, I reckon a sweet point may be that 500 to 550cc capacity, with slightly taller gearing for those longer highway stretches. That way they'll be a true commuter during the week, and a great lightweight bike for exploring their limits on the weekends. Maybe a Tenere 550 World Raid with 20L of fuel coming in at 195kg and sub $20K would be where I see myself riding in the future, and I reckon the Chinese will have something like that pretty soon...

Had the first model of the TT350 and loved it. Yes the 12v later version was a slight improvement, but the electrics were still weak, among many other issues. Technology has changed so much, it would be nice if Yamaha could make a modern TT350. Basically a WR350R. The 250's trail bikes are just a little too underpowered, and if made to perform are then too highly strung for long distance adventures. The over 600's are just too heavy for off road single track. So a 350-450 size is the sweet spot for me, but no more than 130kg. KTM350exc is nice, but too highly strung & too little oil & fuel capacity for adventure riding. KLX300 is good, but needs the 350 cylinder & larger fuel tank. CRF300 rally is ok, but could also use a 350 cylinder and better suspension. The old DRZ400 had good power & good oil capacity, but a little heavy & lacked 6th gear. The new DRZ400 is now even heavier & still lacks 6th gear.

Is the ajp pr7 lams approved