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Just finished up 2 Pietta 1851 conversions with Kirst cylinders in .38 long Colt and plan on another. Other than cutting the ports, both were drop in fits. In the past I’ve done several Navies, 2 Armies, 3rd Model Dragoon and a Walker. I’ve never had an issue with Kirst conversions on either Pietta or Uberti guns. I’ve used Howell conversions on two guns with no issues, but will add that older guns ( I had a Uberti 1860 from 1969) will always have fit issues.

Did I get a unicorn? Just received my Uberti 1861 Navy Civilian a few days ago and immediately checked for the "short" arbor. It is perfect. There is no overlap or gap and everything seats exactly. Furthermore I tore it down and checked for burrs, rub marks, etc. and found none. The action is as crisp as any revolver I've ever owned. Everything is tight and it shoots ridiculously small groups. Also the fit and finish is really good with deep bluing and well polished brass. I expected to see some machine scoring but there just isn't any. For $316 bucks on Midway I am more than satisfied. Have they cleaned up their act or did I just get lucky?

My Pietta 1858 Remington stainless steel Target came out beautifully…Kirst Stainless steel Gated .45LC Conversion and matching ejector I then decided to buy a Pietta 1861 Colt Navy and did the same thing, however I found that with the ejector rod for the Colt…It sits up too high towards the top of the gun.So when you cut your loading port right in the center of the loading gate…You have to spin the cylinder towards the top of the loading port, to allow the ejector rod too ..JUST…Be able to enter the hole …I would need to cut the loading port higher?

Nice one Gary.

How do I get in touch with you about getting this done?

Do you have a video on how you actually cut the loading channel? I have an Uberti colt 1861 navy I want to make a conversion. If I had the funds right now I would send it to you. I haven't bought the kirst conversion cylinder yet

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I watched this a couple times now n i can not figure what you are trying to convey. If you swage an oversize ball into a chamber it takes the size of the chamber, or at least the openning. Right, right we both got that. I cant fallow the point you are trying to make beyond that.

I cant even get my wedge out... Never been shot, and litterally everything short if shooting the wedge out with another pistol... I dont know what to do

What a great video and what looks like the best way to fix a factory weakness. I just ordered a new Cimarron 1851 Man With No Name revolver and the arbor was loose. I sent it back for repair or replacement.

I jus bought a kirst cylinder for my 2nd model dragoon and I ordered a dremel not really experienced but hopefully I can get it done without taking it to a gunsmith

Of course he's a LIAR ! Just like most Demonrats !

Using a 45lc or acp cylinder to show how a blackpoder round ball cylinder fits?

How could I get you to do that work for me ?

I’m triggered 😂 This is contrary to everything I’ve heard and adhered to as a result of what so many of the RUclips “experts” I’ve followed say. I refuse to abandon the false paradigm I’ve adhered to. Haha. But we know- the definition of an expert is Ex is a has been and spert is a drip of water under pressure lol Great video sir! I enjoyed this a lot! I do wonder though. Is there a remedy for the Italian copies? Can they be brought to proper specifications? Incase anyone missed the obvious- I was kidding about being triggered and refusal to abandon my false paradigm.

Ein Colt ist eine simple perfekte Waffe bei der man die Sicherheit Perfect kontrollieren kann! Er hat schon so viele Westernfilme gemacht und darum verstehe ich nicht warum er die Waffe bei Übernahme nicht selber kontrolliert hat! Außerdem verstehe ich nicht das beim Drehen keine Platzpatronen Waffen benutzt werden bei denen die Patronenkammer beim Abfeuern nicht direkt vor dem Lauf liegt und der Lauf gar kein Geschoss durchlässt nur die Gase damit es realistisch aussieht! Ich hätte die Waffe selber mit Platzpatronen geladen die ich vorher auch getestet hätte, könnten ja auch manipuliert sein und außerdem hätte ich auch vorbei gezielt, das würde im Film garnicht auffallen! Er tut mir trotzdem sehr Leid weil so etwas tief in der Seele hängen bleibt, Gott gebe ihm die Kraft damit fertig zu werden😢

the PN at the bottom mean thats a pietta not a uberta

$125 for all of that work is a steal. I have a Walker and a stainless steel 1858 Army I'd like to have done.

It can go off if the catch has been filed for a hair trigger but I doubt that's what happened

Don’t know about the particular fire arm he was using, but at least with some, as you pull the hammer back the trigger will pull back, all the way, with essentially no real resistance, so, not knowing to keep you finger out of the trigger guard, he may have already pulled the trigger fully back but felt he was just “holding” the gun. In this setting, with at least some guns, if you then release the hammer it will indeed fire. No active “pulling” or “clicking” (pulling trigger to cause hammer release) needed. So he may really think he did not “pull” (did not actively pull, apply new force) on the trigger just prior to discharge. But he pointed an actual gun, that he thought was not loaded (ie though not loaded with REAL bullets) and did not bother to learn and follow basic rules of gun safety. The armorer is a second level of safety to help make sure nothing bad happens on the movie set, but the primary responsibility lies with the person holding the firearm.

Is this a Kirst cylinder ? Or a Howell?

"I Love" the set screw Idea! Why did I not think of this? Supper easy, fast, adjustable, perfect. I have the same scar opposite finger.

Based on the fact that every time Alec draws the pistol his finger is already on the trigger, I'd gather he essentially fanned the hammer when it went off.

I have a Pietta that I had to drive the wedge out with a hammer, and then couldn't get it back in. I widened the slot a little bit to the front on the arbor and still had to narrow the wedge down a little before I could get it back in. You are right, quality control is not what it ought to be. That set screw idea is great.

Good video... thanks... Hard to understand why Uberti persist in making their arbors too short. I have fixed a few by various methods... spacers in the hole, extending the arbor by added metal, both steel and bronze, filed back to an exact fit. Not needed to remove the arbor that way...

I knew he was lying as soon as he said what he did.

That gun has some serious bolt drag marks in its cylinder. Looks like the cylinders on race guns.

The way I use do it is with 5mm flat washers and JB weld. It isn't perfect but it's a halfass fix. The set screw method and refitting the wedge is certainly the right way to do it.

I been shooting percussion revolvers since 1969 I have had one chain fire ever out of a ASM 3rd model 1848 Dragoon. We were trying to make it chain fire but the only way was to not cap the loaded chambers on ether side of the fired chamber. We were using card and paper over the chambers not lead balls for safety reasons. We just wanted to see if all we heard about how easy it was to get a chain fire was true. In our limited experiment it's not that easy.

I just got an 1851 Navy (Uberti) and the arbor was dead on right from the factory. Either they updated their machining, or I got lucky.

The left takes care of it's own.

Like that name!

I bought 2 open tops from a "premium" seller that were great with very little work needed out of the box. The uberti 1860 fluted cylinder cap and ball revolver i bought from them, for a premium price, needed the wedge fitted and the hand slot was so poorly machined it was a nightmare getting the hand out. Got that all fixed and have a usable revolver. I doubt I'll ever buy another colt style cap and ball pistol due to the work required to have a functional pistol and i don't like remingtons.

The set screw is an excellent idea.

I'm having issues with a used 2nd model dragoon by uberti. The arbor isn't long enough (I think). When I put the wedge in it starts moving at an angle as soon as it gets to the arbor. It requires force, a mallet, to insert the wedge. Before the wedge even gets through the arbor cut out the cylinder is locked hard. Zero movement. The barrel meets the receiver easy. No force is required. Should I file the cutout on the arbor to allow the pin to slide easy? Any help is very much appreciated. It's one of 4 uberti pistols that were my grandfathers and I don't want to do damage.

Great Video!!! This guy does the best custom work I've seen on these type guns...

I see the cylinder in this video has the notches and leads that look like a normal colt. I have 2 of the 45 colt kirst conversion cylinders that the leads are cut on both sides of the notch. Never could figure out why he did that.

If the cylinder bores are out of round, it doesnt matter.

Buckoff...love the video of North American Speakers!

I’ve been wanting to build a 32 LC conversion . Use a 45lc as a start . Sleeve the cylinder and barrel.

How does a person get in contact with you

When doing a Kirst convefrzion, it is best to replace the 2 step hand. They sell one on their site and i found it to fix the issues i had. Below is a quote from a forum and this is the number one issue facing colt conversions and the main issue i had. The new hand from Kirst fixed this issue immediately. "When building conversions with Kirst Konverters, I found it "Normal" for the Cylinder to stop just a hair short of Battery When Cocking Very Slowly. When cocking at speed as in a match, the rotational momentum of the cylinder carried it up into battery and lock-up."

After watching this again, I'm wondering what changed between cylinder and barrel........ In my mind, I think all adjustments should start with right amount of gap between barrel and cylinder......

How does one obtain your services, do you have a website?

A solid in-depth analysis. You know what you're talking about and that's more than adequate for the purpose of a video. Please forgo distractions while dispensing knowledge. THANKS FOR SHARING.

Does this make it a registerable firearm I know black powder is not.

I need some smithing how much does the install cost

Just buy the 1858 Remington model new Army closed top and the problem will be solved!

How do we contact you for the conversion?

So it's going to seem a bit out of left field but, IF the gun was a Frankenstein like my bastardised 1851 Navy (thanks ASM for going out of business before I knew about it). It could potentially have an accidental discharge. (Thank Browning I didn't have a loaded cylinder) cobbled together some pietta, uberti and original colt parts to to getting that 1851 to work and after many trial and error, (and a few stripped screws) I got it working. Did although have a near scare when on a test fire, the hammer fell because it slipped out of full cock. Weak spring didn't let the hammer sit completely into the hammer groove, then pow! Replaced the spring, refined the notches on the hammer and trigger, and it locks solid now.