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The trouble is how to reconcile a naturally melancholic/contemplative disposition with the desire to have a family. Naturally one tries to find similar qualities in a prospective wife....alas.....

Good talk, i actually know of Kingsnorth as his not living far away. His good friends with another author who lives off grid with a bunch of strong independent non-feminines (with no kids). This mentality is pathetic, but unfortunately very difficult to find one of reasonable age who is willing to have kids ?!

As a traditional Catholic, I somewhat understand the orthbros trying to bash Catholicism since they understand they’re the smaller, younger brother and it’s a way of lashing out. But man is it stupid. Trads need to unite the clans for the glory of Christ in these times of confusion.

Too many monks? No. Not enough knights? Maybe- idk how they would meet our justice in this day and age, not mention there’s no place to sign up to be a knight- not to mention that being a fighter could enhance your social standing and now it can’t really… like unless your purpose some society of honorable highway men and bushwhackers I don’t really know what your point is.

Better see you all at the MMA gym and in competition then. Iron sharpens iron.

Thee reason I want to withdraw is that I feel there's no prospect or hope in this world and it's passing away. You don't invest in something that's about to be in ruin. There's no economic prospect, I have graduated with a degree that was supposed to be lucrative and there's no job for me and even there was there'd be no security; that's only the beginning of the problems. You may say that's I'm wrong and I'm despairing so that I don't deal with the problems, but it is what it is.

The Royal family needs Knighted? Lmao be the Levites Christ called all Christians to be and stop being afraid of repercussion

99% of the comments are from sissy orthobros, thus actually proving the point. Great video btw, Evola vindicated again

I certainly agree with needing more knights, but I would argue against a feminine Middle Ages. Given when the book was written, I understand that it was in reference to the post-Enlightenment, overly rationalistic secular world. In terms of our continued focus on technology, it seemingly fits appropriately, but upon examining our societal problems most of them are the result of the feminine in excess. By trying to be more accommodating to women, feminism was allowed to run amok and we're now facing the consequences. While I don't think the initial objective was wrong, change occurred to quickly and threw everything out of balance. I also wouldn't commend whores for being industrious. There are very few that are actually making decent money - most are doing it for attention. Not to place the blame entirely on them, not only have we allowed it to happen, we're enabling their behavior. Female porn stars have high rates of psychological disorders and suicide rates. The degeneracy of the porn industry is about as far from chivalry as you can get. Besides, no knight can save a princess that's already been eaten by the dragon.

The blood of the heroes is closer to God than the ink of the philosophers and the prayers of the faithful

It's interesting you said "maybe Protestants," because there is definitely a strong vein of Evangelical Protestantism that is so enthralled with evangelism (or sometimes just the idea of evangelism) that they rather retreat into pietism than consider engaging in the public sphere on anything "secular." As much as some critics bemoan the political activism of Evangelicals, there's a similarly strong draw within the same movement to do nothing.

The eternal return of the American existential crisis.

interesting, i never felt this pull for beeing a monk. like i even feel like it is wrong to just run away. i always explain that when i kneel i feel like a knight in a chainmail with my coif down xd. I always was drown to have family and kids, when orthodox say they divorced their wife to be a monk i feel wierd listening to it. For me physical training, fighting training is so close to my ideal man it is creazy. Very interesting perspective and also a very comforting to hear, coz i felt that there is something wrong with me.

Read Homer "Do" the Iliad and the Odyssey , Burn your damn boats

Very interesting! I myself am writing on an essay on the Warrior poet, Krigerpoeten in danish. I am Tracking the literary history of this archetype back to its nordic roots in the viking era, more specifically on the saga of Egil Skallagrimsson, known to be not only the fiercest warrior but also the greatest Poet or skjald of his day. Not that I want people today to rob, steal and murder like the vikings, but in a more spiritual sense - like you explained - we need knights of the heart, poets of conviction.

Facts, this topic has been plaguing my mind the last 2 years

so you're a farmer? what's that like? I'm guessing you didn't start as a farmer, more of a city guy, or maybe I'm wrong...

Lost me at Sophiology. I recommend reading what Saint John Maximovitch said on the matter

I agree, the monkish solution is a one sided mistake. Pace Kingsnorth or Dreher, there cannot be a split or a choice between Christ and civilization, however decadent the latter might be. Monk and Knight complement each other, as St Bernard rightly thought and preached. Action and contemplation, Martha and Mary, are inseparable in the service of the Lord of civilization.

10:27 apparently is married men, it was recently discovered, not boys. supposedly they have no intimacy in their lives even thou they're married, the OF women who do the best are the ones that remember peoples names and ask them about their day, it's not about the sex.

10:10 they're not really making much money, only a few of them are, most are not even breaking even.

I'm not religious, but this does have some connection to what I see in the world. IMO the thing people always skip over when thinking about such matters is the technology of the age. Monks had writing, the daily practice largely included translating and copying texts, and literacy was not as common among those outside the monastic tradition. At the high point of the mid 19th century, before the telegraph and photograph became widespread, EVERYTHING communicated was done through spoken or written language. When someone hands me a tablet to sign my name on, I always remind them that the reason why digital finger signatures look like signing with an "X" is because humans are as digitally illiterate as people were illiterate when they signed with an ink "X." Is it any surprise that the internet has made a would-be "monk" out of everyone who'd rather not have that much to do with people who are rapidly devolving due to offloading cognition to technology? The difference between a monk and a knight is that the knight goes out into the world and confronts the enemy at some risk to himself personally. We've distributed and shared that risk and pinned it on the person we see on the screen doing it FOR us. Liking and sharing is enough to get us on the team. Team Human is so last century, isn't it? In a Nietzschean sense, this is a time of mice and Gods, if you will. To truly evolve with the tech to become something fully self aware, one must be both monk AND knight, when the situation calls for it. So yeah, too many monks, the knights are the social media viral actors we watch. I've never looked into the definition, but this does sound an awful lot like the Sigma Male thing, doesn't it? The brash loner who will stand before the crowd and mock them for being wrong together implicitly is ready to physically defend his right to speak truth to numbers. That's a start, I guess.

Fast food during hard rimes..

You just haven’t attracted the knights yet.

Life is a contradiction, we both have to control it and also let it control us. I surmise that those that only want to control it aren't missing out on half the fun but almost all of it. Once you let both exist, it reveals and unlocks itself to you to varying degrees, depending on how hard you choose to look. Who's actually looking? Then another moment passes and you ask again. And again... ? ... and here we find ourselves again as you read my words. STOP IT! It trolls me.

Orthodoxy is poisonous and evil. You can see this if you observe how they speak. They say hateful things.

Whatever. You’re making a false binary. Spiritual combat (what monks focus on) is the foundation for courageous action in the world. I also don’t think you understand what Kingsnorth said and continues to clarify…that metanoia is the foundation of genuine Christian culture in the world.

100% agree and the level of cope in this comment section is embarrassing

Calling TradCaths RadTrads can get confusing since actual Radical Traditionalists in the vein of Guenon, Evola, Schuon, etc. are a big corner of the "dissident online" if you will

knights are basically monks with swords, this doesn't quite apply.

monastic-onlyism is basically just liberalization… just a convenient spiritual excuse for the extinction of Catholicism within a few generations due to pathetic fertility rates & the absolute dystopian situstion for men to either a life of 60% inceldom / fornication with unmarriageable women / rampant divorce rape… Adam was created before Eve… the church has never recovered from unscriptural condemnation of polygyny… male monogamy = feminism… all they have to say is “be more christ-like”

Ok but how to I find a young virtuous woman who I can have children with? They don’t seem to exist, even in the church.

people haven't really retreated, they just have nowhere to go.

This is just nonsense. Read the lives of the holy soldier martyrs, Demetrios and the like. You will see that their lives resemble much more that of a monk than a medieval knight. Even the best knights of the Middle Ages, the Templars, were a pseudo monastic religious order. True monastics are the ultimate expression and model of masculinity. The only reason anyone would think otherwise is because they think of Catholic monastics as being what a real monk is. What about Francis of Assisi is masculine? Nothing. He embodies the effeminate embrace of emotion and whim. His spirituality matches that of Theresa of Avila rather than Anthony the great or Seraphim of Sarov. Joseph the Hesychast is far more of a man than any of us will ever be, and he was like a modern St Anthony. What about Moses the black? Is he not a true model of masculinity? Or what about our holy bishops who lived out their lives as monks before returning to the world? Basil, Athanasios, John Chrysostom, Sava of Serbia, Gregory Palamas, Mark of Ephesus, and Ignatius Brianchaninov are all examples of bishops who were monks in the truest sense but also stood defiantly opposed to the world. My own patron saint, St Gabriel the fool for Christ is most well known for burning down an image of Lenin. He is also a monastic. How many times did the monks rush to the cities to take the places of the local Christians as martyrs? Orthodox monks are the embodiment of true masculinity.

Knighthood is something we can learn from Islam. If Christianity and Islam would form an alliance, it would set forth a new stream.

The world needs more actual monks and monasteries. Monks don’t retreat from the world. They are a focal point of the world. Towns used to grow around monasteries. Now towns grow around businesses like Walmart and distributions centers and production facilities.

You're celebration of homoerotica Is ironic and hilarious

I can't wait for this essay.

Take a retreat.

Amazing how much you speak to my heart in your recent posts, and you’ve done it again in this one. (So glad I found you at the “Center for Sophiological Studies” site some years ago!). For instance, back in my Eagle Scout days in the 1960’s, I felt the call to be a warrior (like my own Father and all the other WWII veterans who mentored me in scouting). The problem was that this vision ended up colliding with the very real consequences of the Vietnam War. What I saw was that the American military was morphing away from the civilian army of my dad’s generation and becoming an army of Empire … and I came to the sad realization that I wanted no part of it. That turned out to be a very good and prescient intuition, but then what could possibly replace that vision from boyhood? One hint came from a few years of practicing the Japanese martial art of Aikido. It was a pacificist martial art created by a visionary Buddhist monk named Morihei Ueshiba. He had experienced all the destruction of his nation caused by the out-of-control militarists in his generation and wanted to create a peaceful model for embodied spirituality via his own Japanese martial tradition. (And I think he succeeded.) But - I was a Christian, and I also needed some kind of spiritual channel into knighthood that made sense for a baby boomer stuck in a broken materialist nightmare. I slowly began to find it via marriage, being a husband and a father (I have 3 daughters), but also as a prayer guy shaped by Catholic Charismatics and lots of visionary evangelical intercessors (Note: I’ve been a prayer minister and an Intercessor for many decades where I live in Wisconsin). If you take prayer seriously (and most Western Christians don’t take it very seriously) then you soon discover it has huge potential for blessing, healing, and restoration in your local community. There is so much life available for believers who dedicate themselves to praying for their people and it should be obvious that it was at the core of Jesus’ ministry. And … It also has huge potential for defending people against the powers of darkness and from all the demons who increasingly plague our society (this is also where the knighthood piece kicks in!). Plus … if you use your spiritual gifts in concert with other believers it will grow all your dormant abilities to see things unfolding in the realm of the spirit. Anyone who is serious about prayer is sooner or later going to run into both angels and demons. They are going to taste both the deep love of God through the bottomless well of the Holy Spirit as well as the sulfurous taste of demons attempting to destroy both people and the Body of Christ. Both the great goodness of God and the reality of evil are part of the Christian story - and if you are not aware of them as a believer - then you are either asleep (and need to be awakened) or are living functionally as a gnostic. Prayer is the path to deliverance and a ”Life in the Spirit”. It is also how any man (or woman) can become a knight for our secular age. The question is are you going to pick up the sword of the spirit and learn how to wield it or just watch from the monastery window?

If you want sacred warriorhood, you will find it in Islam, not Christianity, whose holy founder was a pacifist.

I could not agree more and would add that its enough to simply study the Nine Worthies, called so as paragons of chivalry. I think the most helpful definition of the traits is the breakdown of Honor point for point: Forebearance, Heartihood, Largesse(aid the lesser, not just damsels in distress, also be charitable), Loyalty(to and from others), Davidic Ethic, and combined they make Honor. One a week, or even three a week. Its hard not to try to embody the same after studying King Arthur, Alexander of macedonia, King David and the rest of them.

Who's your favorite Musketeer?

Stop eating the lotus, and stop feeding the rich.

Too many monks, not enough farmers. "And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;"

Make Paladins Great Again (those who are called to such).

Whether or not it was the Lord's original plan for me, I do reckon that my early reading of The Imitation of Christ and monatic related literature was what resulted in my not marrying and having a family, but not becoming a monk/friar either. Rather, I have been able to live a largely monastic kind of life while working full time, and latterly part time, in the world. The Body of Christ has many different vocations. I agree with you that some literature is not for married men to seek to live by, well, not entirely, though there are spiritual principles applicable to all.

I think this is inevitable because Christianity taken SERIOUSLY, is inherently CASTRATING, and can only ever be imposed on the "weaker man" in a relationship, whether it is a father-son relationship or an out-group-in-group relationship. The acolayte must be always be humiliated and castrated to "enter the group" even if that humiliation is self-imposed and dishonest ... you have to "say what the Christian wants to hear." You cannot speak like King Lear. They don't want to hear that. Christianity will always create Sheep and Snakes. You will always have the Orthobro ( as long as he is well-sated ) speak some world-denying ignoring bullshit like, "I'm only Orthodox in life and nothing else." Yeah, right, dude. Some of us, after much UNDUE OBSTRUCTION and slander IN THIS LIFE, in this reality, in this existence, simply don't appreciate our "daily bread" being dismissed and denied. This is not a denial of Knighthood and sacriffice on my part, but mere a refusal to "SACRIFICE FOR YOU." Which every con-artist asks for in any "group" any way. Christianity has a problem of producing "liberalism/leftism" for this reason. You will always have this problem. That's why I favor a new machine and a new consciousness.

The desert fathers and early monastics were definitely not “effeminate” ok? But yeah I agree a man with a wife and kids probably shouldn't be emulating monastic life and spirituality. 🤷‍♂️

Interesting. I would not have associated the lotus with an excess of spiritually, but rather; drugs/alcohol, pornography, videogames, and TV.