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how about learning magnetic declination....magnetic (compass) north is not ture (geographic) north.

Wow I too am a licensed land surveyor licensed in 4 states. There are many laws involved with establishing property corners, each state have historical differences in their laws. Indian lands, Spanish land grants, Ripaeionr laws and much more. Spherical geometry, coordinate geometry, many areas of math. I cannot stress enough that you cannot survey your own property corners, compasses were used in the 1800's and the government used chains and links for measurement (66 ft long chains made up of links). Interpreting the original government field notes can hold small signs that interpreted correctly can alter what a layperson thinks he is seeing. GPS is combined atmospheric maths into geometrics, how else would anyone know if the GPS is giving good information? Generic GPS are accurate to roughly 30ft, we use survey grade instruments with complicated filters and track several satellites at one time to achieve mm accuracy. If you use standard GPS or handheld units when you get under tree cover or in canyons the accuracy depletes dramatically. It might seem that coordinates are coordinates but county Geographic Information Maps are extremely inaccurate. Simply finding metal pins might be fine if you want to hang your hat on them but you are setting yourself up for real legal problems.

You can find a survey pin but is it in the correct location? No individual can determine this unless it is verified by a licensed registered land surveyor. It is generally illegal to determine the boundaries of your property that is also your adjoiners boundary if not a LS. SO hire a land surveyor, usually a lot less expensive to do the job correctly then to suffer the consequences of relying on a pin that anyone with a hammer can relocate its precise location.

Why is a survey so expensive?

This is a decent start but it should be noted that results may vary. I don’t know how many times we have found “pins” that were either in the wrong spot, duplicates placed in error by other surveyors, or not pins at all. It can be a complicated affair even for professionals sometimes.

Most “pins” get stolen or removed for many reasons.

Soooo No pictures of the marker?

I live in the backwoods. Our maps are not online. There is a paper book ( called a platte book) at the courthouse.

Just cause you have a smart phone doesn’t mean your smart

I moved my pins out 100 yards in every direction, worked out in my favor.

You can't rely on the GPS on your phone for something like this. At least not a single measurement. Your GPS position jumps around. You would get better results if you get one of the GPS logging apps for the phone, let it log the position for a few hours, maybe a day, and then average the measurements. The GIS website is also not that accurate... I looked at my property on it and it showed my property line clipping my neighbor's house. It also showed my house being rectangular instead of "L" shaped.

Once you have 2 points, you can often use triangulation to determine the other points without having to follow a compass direction. It works well enough for residential lot type distances when there aren't any obstructions.

I've been a Professional Land Surveyor for nearly 30 years and was involved in surveying quite a few years prior to being licensed. Always talk to your neighbors, they can save you a lot of time. GIS should mean "Get It Surveyed" and should only be used as a rough guide. This year I was surveying a small tract by myself and tried to save some time by using GIS as a rough guide to start looking for a corner. We've been noticing lately that GIS maps were getting more accurate, so what the heck. It put me 50+ feet from where the corner was. I knew it wasn't correct but still the neighbor noticed me and strongly urged me to look in a different spot. Then the landowner I was working for came out and pointed to another spot. Each thought they had a little more than the other thought they should. I marked both spots, then used the metal detector as I walked from one to the other. About midways between the "spots" indicated I heard the happy sound and uncovered the rod while both owners looked on. I then verified the found rod by finding two more at the correct positions based on the first. It could have gotten tough if that rod had been missing and I had to reset it. GIS wasn't even close to the corner and nearly caused problems. Luckily it was obvious to me. It might not have been to a non surveyor. Another time one neighbor broke his fist on the.other one's head.... Story for another day.

Finding a pin means nothing. I have been a licensed surveyor for 35 years. I have seen homeowners mistake grounding rods for pins. Sometimes there is a broken off fence post that looks like a survey pin. Very often, surveyors set "traverse points" which are simply for reference and do not mark any boundary. The key to surveying is to first FIND the pins, then VERIFY that they are in the correct position by measurement in three different directions.

Thanks!

This is a hard no for me. I have my original plat from when we built in 2003. I have hired a surveyor. This is the only legal way that will stand up in court. If that is ever necessary.

Culvert cost is also a factor of culvert size and length needed. Example a 15” culvert that is 20-24’ long vs a 36” culvert that is 40’ long could be 10 times the cost. If the access into the property crosses a ditch that is deep and wide you might be spending 10k or more on a big culvert and lots of fill dirt and limestone road base.

Thank you for sharing this information!

The map thing WAS AWESOME!!! I'm so glad I watched this!!

Hey, great job and thanks for explaining it like a normal person would. We are checking the corners of our 60 acre property just so we know exactly where they are. It's a little more difficult when you can't walk down the property line in a straight line due to heavy trees and swamp so we a trying to use the gps method to get us within 30 to 60 feet and then we will just have to search. You Did a Good job!

Thanks 🙏 I appreciate real people who speak regular language and help others out with whatever experience they have. I’m hoping to get out to my property and make use of it but it’s one 2 acres piece of dirt in a big old deserted farm area. I’m in Southern California. So far (been over a year)No surveyors will call us back. You’ve given me hope that I can find a work around ❤

Use a compass ??? First off, you failed to mention magnetic declination. Secondly, the bearings shown on ANY plat could possibly vary from actual, by a few degrees as well. It would be a crapshoot. Snd that lttle measuring wheel ?? 😂 Totally useless in the field. Moral of the story, hire a surveyor.

You’ve overlooked one of the BEST tools to help find survey pins - a good compass with a sighting mirror (quadrant compass is ideal or azimuth if you can do the math like Silva Ranger

I just found my local assessors site and used your technique to find gps coordinates. They had a conversion tool from their system but I got it figured out. Thanks

Great video! Thanks for sharing!

$2000 in East TN. $600 for the culvert, $750 for the equipment and hammer to pound out the Limestone ledge. The remaining was labor. This included no fill.

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I have to ask. How does one really know if the pin you found represents the correct point. It's best to hire a professional land surveyor to locate, check and verify each property pin to avoid future problems.

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I was getting estimates for a survey on a few parcels of raw land which were corner & side by side. I finally got asked by a friendly and helpful receptionist what was I planning to do with the property ... sell it, or develop it, finance it, etc. I said that for now, I just really wanted to clear it and didn't want to "accidently clear my neighbor's favorite & possibly irreplaceable tree".😁 She told me that I only needed the 4 corners surveyed (no other info was needed for clearing). So I only had the 4 corners of the combined parcels done. The fee went down from a couple thousand to about $650+.

One have to be careful with a compass about magnetic variation. So you might have true degree or degree adjusted for your magnetic variation, and magnetic variation are moving over time.

With my crazy neighbor and the weird history of my property I've TRIED locating the pins but I can't find the back 2.. I am using the markers given by the company that owned and surveyed originally (neighbor destroyed the original lines) and it's impossible to find a surveyor who'll come to rural tn. Anyway I am still searching 😂...THANKS FOR THE INFO and I am happy to follow your site..

The pins will have to be verified by s surveyor. Working as a surveyor I'found multiple pins. FYI the marker on a curb are concrete nails or screws.

how far off were you when you found your pins based on coordinates from phone? your lat\long from GIS mapping software is not accurate and then plug inaccurate coordinates into your phone is not very accurate. these coordinates will only put you in the ballpark. you should have used a professionally licensed surveyor.

Don't be a damm fool get a survivor and save yourself time ,money and grief.

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I want to start doing this.. I have 5.23 acres with weird shape. Oh and it’s deep woods so it will be a trip to find my stakes. I’m looking forward to do this.

Just because you find a pin in the ground does not necessarily mean it's your property corner.

Please be aware that the GIS information on these maps is often incorrect. All corners dont always have pins set. Pins you find may or may not be the correct corners. The only way to know for sure is to have an actual survey done.. Land surveyor for the last 20 years.....

What if the last survey was 100 years ago?

One of the corner pins was actually visible in Google Street View, so I found it right away (and I have the survey to compare it to, so I know it's in the right place). Two were easy to find just by looking at the survey & pacing off from the first one. The fourth is still kind of missing. I know within a couple of feet where it's supposed to be. Previous owner used that area for dumping & burning garbage, so I need to rake the area to clear the debris so I can find the pin. If I have to, I'll take a tape and measure from the other two corners and find the exact location and if it's missing I'll get a surveyor to replace it. I expect it's there, just buried.

Retired surveyor. We always put flagging on the pipe/rebar we set, and it was countersunk to minimize people pulling them up just for shyts and giggles. If you own acreage you should have had it surveyed when you bought it and should have a plat showing your boundaries and bearings and distances around the perimeter.

I'm stupid because i still don't understand

This is wonderful. Thank you!

You guys might dig , Randall Carlson . He describes how to use a compass .

I worked on a survey crew way back in 1970. A client came to us to find 47 acres that he had inherited but didn't know exactly where it was. After about three weeks of sleuthing, we determined that the neighbors on all sides had encroached, removed property markers and essentially stolen his property. Not all neighbors are honest, or trustworthy. The client was happy to find his land, but he was not happy with the survey bill.

Bought our rural Oregon property in 1992 and were content with where the fence was and the supposed property lines. Then we started having issues with an 80+ year old neighboring dutch dairy farmer so we decided to have a survey done. We had a gate at the end of our pasture so we assumed it was within our property to access. Farmer 'anal' thought the whole world belonged to him. His brother 'L' that owned the next plat of land up the road was real nice unlike his brother. Having dealt with survey maps twice before, I went to the county to get plat maps and any recorded survey maps and started researching. I found where the benchmark monuments were (quite a distance, too far for me to measure considering the terrain). I found that there was a 'line tree' between our corner and the river. We decided to have a professional surveyor come and do another survey. Well he didn't show up until we were on vacation in Oklahoma and next thing we got a call from the surveyor stating that 'anal' was harassing him and stating that his survey points were no good. He told me that as soon as we could get Mr 'anal' under control, he would come and finish the survey. So I went to 'anal's' house and proceeded to talk to him. The funny thing was that he owned farm ground on either side of us facing the same road. He still would not concede, so I threatened to call the sheriff so he called hi nephew over (Son of L) and in the meantime I had a great Idea. When the nephew showed up I said there seems to be two choices. I start at the corner of my orchard fence and measure off the 966' his direction and immediately he said 'no'. So I said ok, we can start at the fence corner by closest to his house and go 966' the other direction. He said if we did that then the corner would be out in the middle of his other field. I said since there is no agreement on where to start measuring the front property line it only makes sense to have a survey done. The nephew said that that was the most logical solution and then 'anal' listened to him. We had the surveyor come and finish the survey and I went out and put in a corner post at the corner away from the road. The next day my daughter called me and said 'anal' is down there with his front end loader taking out the post and dropped it over the fence. Then he proceeded the next day when I was home to disc over and over and over where the marker was to destroy it. Well I had measured from the old corner post to the survey pin, so I knew where the pin was supposed to be. Little did he know I went down there the night before, dug down drove the pin and cap about a foot under ground and then glued a nickel on top so my metal detector would pick it up easy. In the meantime my wife contacted an installer to take out the old pasture fence and put in a new one. He put the fence up where the old one was , moved the gate to corner by road and in order to maintain control of the strip of land left I mowed it every year until 'anal' died. His daughter finally sold his land and the new owner was putting in a Hazelnut orchard and wanted me to mark the property line for their tilers, planters and such. I put in T posts, intermediate step in posts and 1" electric fence webbing. The orchard went in and we have had good neighbors since. Just had to be patient I guess.

Getting ready to look for our pins on a side of mountain with pricker. Yikes. Thanks for your insight

My neighbor illegally graded across my property and removed two of my pins. Now that I want to put up a fence to keep him out, I have to have surveyors re-pin those two corners, agggh. But if just knowing some of my coordinates can work I may give that a try, thanks. P.S. yes, there's a compass on your smart phone.

That's a fancy county map. Our looks like it was draw with crayon by a 1st grader 60 years ago.