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There may have been an even earlier divine gate: remember those enormous giants and grave stones embedded in the lands between?

What do you thing of a idea that Mesmer and Melina were children of Gloan Eyed Queen, Marika's sister and adopted or stolen and raised by Marika?

If Placidusax was the First Elden Lord, his God would be the one who was vessel to the Elden Ring- this means his god was either the Elden Beast itself (Also called "Nebula Dragon" in its files) or its God was Metyr, "the first star to fall to the lands between" carrying the Elden Beast with her, which was said to have had arrived to The Lands Between on a Golden Star. Metyr is certainly not golden or beautiful, but her Remembrance describes her as having once been "Brilliantly gleaming", so I suspect that Metyr used to look different to how she does when we find her.

The only thing I don't find makes sense is Serosh being the Lord of Beasts in the Land of Shadow. The Divine Beasts are specifically "Horn deck'd" and Serosh has no horns. For that It seems Serosh was the Lord of Beasts in Farum Azula - Godfrey's own Greataxe bears resemblance to the designs of Faruma Azula's Beastmen as well- as opposed to the Highland Axe, which has leaf filigree detail instead. As for the "Divine Bird", the Stormhawk King was a King, not divine- but there was another bird who was: Twinbird. She was the envoy for an Outer God and was mother to the Deathrite Birds. Not saying the Stormhawk King isn't significant to the Loux line, he clearly is, but I don't believe he was the divine bird for Ornis.

My belief is that the Nox failled because they took too many shortcuts with their use of false life. Not enough red blooded lives were used to succeed in their attempt and so none of their giant maidens were able to become a god. They failed, and they died.

The cycle of life and death has been disrupted in the lands between. A mortal being that lives in the lands between has three things to give it the full consciousness of life. One is a body, the next is a soul or spirit, and the third is life energy. The three are required. If a mortal body only has a soul but there is no life energy present, then this would be considered an undead. It is life energy that beings in the world of Elden Ring want to absorb to give them more power. Celestial beings from beyond the lands between, in other words....outer gods, came to the lands and taught those living there how to disrupt the cycle of life and death. These celestial beings had a greater motivation. What they wanted was what dwells In the heart of the lands between. This is the black sun. All life energy comes from the black sun in the lands between. But these celestial beings could not access that black sun directly. The only way they could do it was through the two trees. Yes, there were two trees. One is the tree of life, that is represented by the erdtree. The other is the tree of knowledge or death. That would be the shadow tree. These celestial beings convinced the two old civilizations that existed in the lands between at the time they first arrived to build the divine towers. These two old civilizations the Uld and the Rauh. These six celestial beings deceived these two civilizations and the giats to build their device (the six divine towers) with the promise that this device would give the beings of the lands between eternal life. But their true purpose was to take the life energy from the Black Sun that dwells in the heart of that world. The device did not work as they intended, and a great upheaval occurred instead. The tree of knowledge along with all the lands around it that existed in the lands between in its central ocean, were transported to the shadow realm. The tree of knowledge was left corrupted and in ruin. This did remove death from the lands between, but it corrupted the cycle of life and death. Instead of giving everyone eternal life, it created a bunch of undead beings with what was left of the tree of life....having to perform the corrupted cycle of life and death in what was left of the upheavaled lands between. The six celestial beings lost their physical bodies and were also forced away from the lands between into pocket dimensions of their own. These are the outer gods. And all of the eons of time after the great upheaval, these outer gods vied for control of the lands between to try and reattain their bodies and escape their various dimensional prisons. It seems that the one celestial being known as the greater will have the most influence in the lands between. But as time went on, it became clear that these beings were not going to be successful and we're going to remain trapped with less and less influence in the lands between. The dragons forsaw this coming, but could not stop it from happening. The city of Farum Azula existed on the top of jagged peak, which of course existed in the lands between in the area around the bestial sanctum. The dragon's managed to keep their city from being transported into the shadow realm by the celestial being's device, but their city was essentially in ruin after that. The story of Marika and the golden order was completely secondary to the foundational story of the lands between. It happened much much later than the events surrounding the great upheaval. The lands between will never be restored. In fact, the tree of life has also been felled at some point. The golden part of the herd tree or the tree of life is an illusion. If you remove that, you would only have a trunk of what remains of the tree of life. Someone or something felled that tree in the distant past. It was probably the Titans, which are part of the race of giants. The six celestial beings who would now be known as outer gods are: 1.) Greater Will (represents order) 2.) Frenzied Flame (reoresents chaos) 3.) Formless Mother or Mother of Truth 4.) Fell god 5.) Rot god 6.) Lord of night In truth, these are not outer gods. These were just celestial beings that craved the power that exists in the heart of the lands between. Everything that has happened after that is as a result of the great upheaval caused by the mechanism that they built which is personified by the divine towers.

What an autistic ass nonsense theory

The eclipse happens every 216 years.

It seems like the civilizations of the lands between are always trying to make their own version of the crucible which, in my opinion, is the one great that hyetta talks about. The reason I think this is because of the spirit calculus item looking like a terratoma of many different types of animal parts(a blending of attributes of life) and the fact that it is "suffused with spirituality" so much so that it is giving off an almost blinding light. And we know that light is directly connected to the gods It also seems that to become a god or to be visited by one, one must go through immense trauma (see mohg, the bloodfiends, marika and the shaman, etc.) This is why marika was chosen by the greater will to become the next God of the new age. She saw her entire village get slaughtered and the greater will took notice of her immense suffering. As for the nox, I believe the reason they could not create a god is because they were sacrificing artificial life to bring about their lord of night. The silver tears are not true life and therefore have no spiritual essence that can be extracted from them to fuel their god. So it failed. In terms of marikas age being 1000 years, I think that it was supposed to be 1000 years, but she attempted to prolong it by removing destined death so that she couldn't die. This is why the erdtree eventually stopped producing sap. Her reign was over and the erdtree knew, but she didn't want it to stop so she adjusted her faith into making the erdtree "more an object of faith" (blessed dew talisman) One last thing: I'm of the opinion that every single thing in the lands between is made of flesh...technically. especislly the continent we walk on. We see multiple examples of flesh being turned to stone with farum azula, the nox, and enir-ilim. We also find massive skeletons buried deep beneath the earth in called and mountaintops of the giants. A large theme of elden ring is recycling of matter into new matter, with the god of rot, putrescence, and all of the bodies we find looking like ashy stone (the dead fingers on the divine towers, all the random corpses, the corpses returning to the erdtree, etc). This is also why the albinaurics are hated. They have no grace, which is just spiritual light energy. Because of this, albinaurics cannot be recycled to create new life.

Miyazaki always playing the long game

15:10 ok I’m convinced. You laid out your theory really well and tied it together nicely here

Something I wanted to add which I originally did in a comment thread but feel could be interesting to note in general; It is alluded to in some item descriptions that Godfrey and Serosh might be the first case of grafting in the Lands Between and that this practice was inspiring his descendants in the golden lineage, like Godrick and Godefroy. Furthermore, it is directly stated by the Godfrey Icon item description that "he took the Beast Regent Serosh upon on his back to suppress the ceaseless lust for battle that raged within", in order to become Elden Lord. What this tells us is that Serosh isn't just his advisor and the Lord of Beasts, but that him sitting on his back and chomping on his shoulder is actively making him weaker than he should be, I.E. Serosh is a literal power limiter. Being possibly grafted onto Godfrey, he can't remove himself even if he wanted to (further proven by how he is still sitting on Godfreys back even as the latter is dead and stabbed into a tree). The only way for Godfrey to potentially do his duty, to brandish the Elden Ring, become Elden Lord once more and defeat us players is by embracing his past strength as Hoarah Loux, and the only way to do that is to remove the one thing keeping him from going back to that state, that being Serosh. With this added context, Godfrey killing Serosh for his boss fights second phase isn't him being an ungrateful douchebag to Serosh just 'cause, he literally complements the beast and acknowledges his importance in his life. It's just that they are up against an unstoppable force and Godfrey needs to become an immovable object in response, something that Serosh I believe, from his time in the era where "a crown is warranted with strength", would fully understand. He MIGHT be taking Serosh's power, but the important part is that he removes the limiter to his already existing power. PS: It is also a headcanon of mine that Serosh is also Godfreys emotional outlet, taking his intense emotions and keeps him calmly thinking, which is why while Godfrey is cradling Morgotts corpse while visibly and audibly calmly mourning the loss, Serosh is roaring at the top of his lungs in what can be interpreted as complete anguish. And after Serosh's death Hoarah Loux loses the suppression on his emotions, causing himself to roar in an unknown emotion, I interpret it as him experiencing every single emotion at full blast for the first time since his crowning.

I think whats ironic is that Godwyn is probably the only one who obtained God-Hood in some strange manner. Though like his Mother, its imprisonment.

This reminds me of full metal alchemist and the creation of a philosopher stone.

Brilliant.

Great video! Thanks! I feel like Godfrey is often overlooked

Excellent documented theory making absolutely tons of sense. You have answered the main lore question most among lore brilliant theorists around still trying to clarify. This work done deserve to be completed with the frenzied flame and great one connexions to the greater will and his vassals (very important question), and who was the god of lord placidusax and when his reign was replaced by marika's one (there is no evidence Placidusax was her lord and the initial betrayal was of him then maybe his god that left was the formless Mother/Gloam eyed queen ? Very inspired lore theorists suggested Radagon aspect seduced the Gloam Eyed Queen explaining the great betrayal by Marika).

The all father himself ripped out his own eye in Norse mythology in pursuit of knowledge, thats why i thought these demigods have missing eyes having to exchange it for some greater power.

We learn that part of the ritual to become a god reuires an elden lord pouring his power into a vessel (who is implied to be the god). And we learn that Marika's oldest children were actually from Radagon, not Godfrey who was only taken as Elden Lord AFTER Marika had become a god. This would imply that Radagon was the first true elden lord, could explain how he and Marika became the same person, and why after the Golden Order's age of conquest ended she sent Godfrey away and took Radagon back. Perhaps Godfrey needed to take the sap to equal the power of an Elden lord after being taken as Marika's consort because she needed a powerful warrior/general for her conquest plans, and he wasn't a true elden lord at all.

Torrent has got to be the greatest judge of character in the history of the universe to have gotten that choice right.

11:40 what could be seen as "rays" from the crown on the Hawk's head could actually be curly horns. Neat connection.

un-ironically some of the best and more consistent theory crafting I've seen from this community, honestly this is my head canon now

Marika's rule actually lasted for much longer than a thousand years. A major theme in all souls games is the current ruling royals defying their inevitable end and fighting to keep their realm stagnant as long as it benefits them. They are worlds in need of drastic change, yet it's Lords and Kings refuse to obey time. Lord and God mean King and Queen respectively (queen comes with a heavy religious symbol), and it makes sense Placidusax could have been both, as he was both male and female. Outer Gods are just religions, with no intentions or purpose other than what it's clerics interpret.

elden ring lore has gotten way too specific especially for a game purposefully abstract. love lore as much as the next but ya’ll need to blink for a few days

"... Without any sign of wavering." This means he did not waver. Unless there is another piece of lore that specifies Godfrey was wavering in his thoughts and/ or internally, the talisman tells us that, externally, he did not show any signs of wavering.... Which, again, means he did not waver. P.S. Apologies if this correction was already pointed out.

11:07 🥲 I wish

I just have to say, this is maybe the best and most well thought out theories and video presentation of said theory ive seen maybe ever. I believe this theory whole heartedly and was definitely pickings up on some of these things while playing through the dlc. But you put it together so so cleanly. Very well done friend, im subscribing!

What if misbegotten are just different beast with intelligence? Stormhawks,wolves,and lions to be exact? Some fly, the big red ones look like red wolves in a human form, and the ones with the cleavers have lion like faces with blue eyes.

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One thing about the bonny village bit, it's reminiscent of the village Marika grew up in, down to the celebrations and the braids. I think the reason why even the Golden Order had to respect it is because ultimately, that's what marika was trying to preserve, her culture. The skinning part and the godskin connection I feel correlates to the agreement Marika made with the primordial snake of death (the OG GEQ). The village represents the original contract and stipulations made required for The Golden Order to be established. All in all it would be bad PR for the Greater Will to not uphold it's contract. Just as it would be for Marika to not uphold hers and we see Marika's consequences very clearly

Northerner description: A face found among the hardy people of the unforgiving north. Some say they're descended from giants. I theorize Godfrey/Hoarah Loux is based on the Irish hero Lugh. Lugh's mother is Ethniu (or "Enia"), and her father was Balor, a one-eyed Giant. Godfrey might be the grandson of the Fell God. Since he's an old man by the time we meet him, it might not be crazy to theorize he had red hair at one point. Messmer's flame works the same way the Fell God's does in burning a tree. Likewise, on the opposite side, there's Rennala, a giantess. Her mother, possibly Renna, might have been a Finger Crone like Enia.

I love the analysis in the first part of the video, but something doesn't click for me in the speculation at the end. First of all Messmer's crusade happened BEFORE Tarnished were banished. Messmer recognizes the PC as tarnished. He wouldn't have Godfrey's soldiers if they already left for badlands. Secondly, I am still bewildered how Horax fot himself subjugated. Such powerful, dominant, testosterone juggernaut would not freely let himself be used and abused by Marika. WHY did he exchnaged divine incantation for erdtree SAP, took on Serosh and let himself be exiled? The nature of 'seduction' must be much more sinister. E.g. mind control spell or other form of manipulation. Also, erdtree stopped producing SAP, because it was burned (dust in capital) and replaced with golden illusion that became the dead object of faith.

I think that to be a god in elden ring y must be lgbtq+ like, Marika is bigender and pansexual (while they was radagon, they married rennala, and while marika married godfrey and itself with radagon) then we have Ranni, wich can marry the tarnished being a man or a woman, making she bissexual, then we have Miquella, who is in a homossexual relationship with his older brother, and now placidussax has 2 genders too? another bigender. is Michael Zaki a secret ally?

PLACIDUSSAX IS TRANSEXUAL OMG

I really hope Vaati, Smough town, Ratatoskyr, Tarnished Archaeologist, Lowkey. Your watch thus video. Your points makes so many sense.

It also makes sense why Marika Seduces Horrah Loux. She needed a Lord in order to become a god. Just like Miquella needed Radahn to be the god of compassion.

Also, Messmer knows what a tarnished is, and since the Tranished existed only when Godfrey was banished

So you mean to say the Divinw beast are inspired from Serrosh And the Divine Bird are inspired from the Storm Lord.

Godfrey is the greatest character in Elden Ring he doesn't use incantations or sorceries, the blood of a god does not run through his veins and he doesn't have powers from an outer god. he doesn't have great runes, and while others battle and fight wars to gain powers he seals his own power, even in his first death he died with Serosh The first Elden Lord and the ONLY character in Elden ring with a remembrance in his name "Remembrance of Hoarah Loux"

Call it cope, but even after the DLC, I was still convinced Godfrey battled Placidusax. My rationalization was, while Placidusax lost two of his heads in his battle with Bayle, he lost another in his battle with Godfrey much later.

I think Pasidusax was defeated by Godfrey first then Bayle finished him off.

Ya know i really dig this theory. However, seeing as how neither Serosh nor Godfrey seem to have any horns, i feel like it might be safer to say that Godfrey wasn’t necessarily part of the hornsent. Rather, what if he was just a highlander who was revered by the hornsent for accomplishing a feat similar to Ornis? The grandam might still be upset with Marika seducing him even in this case.

Finally! A concrete timeline to the events before the Shattering! With the addition of the DLC a lot of the history just didnt add up because prior to this I assumed most of the events happened pretty later on right before the Shattering, but all of it was long before that. Marika's rule happened longer before acquiring Godhood which made a narrative that makes a lot of sense.

The sap made him a golden puppet. 14:51 the sap is the same as the potion Ranni kills you for trying to make her drink it. It controls your fate. Amber is fossilized sap. |AMBER STARLIGHT: An ephemeral sliver that gives off a pale amber glow. What remains of a passing flash of starlight. If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods. Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught. Cannot be consumed by mere humans. This is why Nepheli drinks the blue potion. Generational trauma. The story repeats again.

Miazaki has a real good chance to write books, or have them written explaining more to the story of everyone not all of it, but more lore for fans to snap up like starving paranahs.

Theory fits perfectly great video bro

I released a theory video a few months ago in which my big conclusion was that Godfrey was Marika’s seduction that really picked up and got a ton of positive attention. We cover a lot of different angles and have some different conclusions but it’s fun to see how we both ended up with that as our central basis.

You think the reason godfrey choose to fight placi alone is because placi is already damaged due to his fight with bayle so godfrey choose to do a fair 1v1 duel instead of ganking on him with his golden army.