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My Tripod is a 13ft max tripod. Neewer Heavy Duty Light Stand, Metal 13ft/4m Adjustable Photography Tripod Stand with Built-in Spring Cushion. I use an iphone 12. Typically use fixed zoom and turn off autozoom in the app. Zoom on phone fixed at 1.3-1.5x max. Frankly, I don't use the Xbot Chameleon as much as I wanted to. It is not water proof so high school games in the winter are a no go. Second, it just misses too much action. I can make better game films sitting in the bleachers with a tiny tripod 3ft high in front of me with my iphone mounted on it and just track the ball all game long. Xbot struggles to even capture the kick off each half or after any goals are scored. It is just not there yet for mission critical film IMHO

Camera, center of the field. Should be 11-14 ft high on a tripod. The app tells you all of this. The camera will eventually start tracking the action but it struggles with kick off and corner kicks and starts searching around if no one or the ball is not moving. It is a major flaw.

No, i bought a Neewer tripod that is 13t high off of Amazon

I would say it is not quite there. I catches about 90% of the action but you are not guaranteed to catch the more important action.

unless you're prepared to pay x5 times the amount and then a very expensive sub per month then this is the closest you'll find.

No specific rugby mode. I would just try using american football or soccer mode.

Thanks, you too!

Honestly, if you just mount an iphone on a tripod with a fluid head and are willing to do the panning yourself, that is really cheap, and better than the XbotGo. You just have to be willing to film while watching. I've done many soccer games in high school stadiums that way. I was hoping XbotGo would take over but the reality is that XbotGo is not as good as me and it is not water proof which is a death blow for Northern CA soccer games in the winter. It rains quite often here.

@@Onthebackhalf that's a shame. I manage my 'soccer' team so wouldn't be able to film myself whilst they are playing sadly. Maybe it's back to the drawing board?

I don't have the Gimbal so I can't comment. Insta360 I have and unfortunately it will not work for a soccer game on a full size field. Everyone appears too small. However, an Insta 360 in 180 degree mode might work for a basketball game or an indoor futsal game. i have never tried it but I think it might work ok on a very small court.

Higher up means you have to move the camera further away from the sideline to get the area at middle field in view. I was slightly more zoomed on the XbotGo camer which was lower but Xbot says it should be lower.

The subscription fees are what kills you on the VEO. That camera is worth it and they have specials but only if you buy the tripod and the subscription with the camera. Annual recurring revenue model for them.

See my video that has a side by side comparison between the VEO 3 and the XbotGo Chameleon. Same game same field position for the camera.

yes, the fields at the ECNL Showcase at the Surf fields in San Diego are too small.

i forget if the Xbot software forces you to use 1.2x . If you were to use 1x zoom or less and did not allow Autozooming via the software the kids would look very small on the far side of the field.

.5 x zoom everyone looks like ants even on the near side of the field. i think the xbot software defaults to 1.2 x zoom. 1.3x works best for me in terms of seeing players both near and far sides of the field.

autozoom was off. I usually use like 120 degrees or slight more for the pan angle and I was using pan speed of 500. They have had a recent firmware update again so I may try the defaults to see if they work better that the origin firmware.

@@Onthebackhalfon veo3 or xbot?

answer is easily googled or on their website. xbotgo.com Copilot works too.... XbotGo Chameleon supports a range of smartphones with Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 CPU or newer and Apple A12 CPU or newer processors. Here are some of the recommended phone models: - **Apple**: iPhone 11 or later models - **Samsung**: Galaxy S21/S22/S23 series, Galaxy Z Flip3, Z Flip4, Z Fold4, Samsung W22, W23 Flip - **Google**: Pixel 7/7Pro - **Huawei**: Mate 40/Mate 50 series, P50/P60 series - **Xiaomi**: 11/12/13 series, Mi Mix 4, Mi Mix Fold - **Sony**: Xperia PRO-I, Xperia 1 III, Xperia 1 IV, Xperia 5 III, Xperia 5 IV These phones are compatible with the XbotGo Chameleon, allowing you to take advantage of its advanced sports tracking features. Does this help with what you were looking for?

@@muhammadfaisalsarnap6586 that video was filmed with my tripod position in the bleachers of a small stadium so I was significantly higher up than 13 ft above the field level. I don’t know the exact height maybe 20-25 feet above field level

13-14 feet

13-14 feet

Hmm I have not tried a futsal game yet. The challenge will be setting the camera up a reasonable distance from the court. You want to minimize panning as much as possible. I’ve been slowing the tracking speed down to 500 out of 1000. Also you might want to change the default pan angle to be smaller than the default angle. I would not allow it to zoom automatically. Turn that off and keep your iPhone at 1x zoom

@@Onthebackhalf Thanks for the quick reply Scott.

@@Onthebackhalf Thanks for getting back to me Scott, did you notice any differences with the firmware update?

@alanyuen8271 I'm still waiting to receive mine, also going to record my team's indoor 7v7 league games. Please share your thought (no matter the good or bad) when you start recording your daughter's game would be appreciated.

It seemed to me that it was doing a better job of tracking the action. Here is the video that was created post firmware upgrade. ruclips.net/video/4zbkVArInJc/видео.html

I tend to not use zooming and I set the tracking speed in the app to 500 rather than 1000

No this video came from a Hudl camera

No. You would have to remove it in a video processing software app

I’m posting a more recent video after a firmware upgrade and right on the center line of the field at recommended height. See my lastest post. It is at 720p because that is the highest resolution you can live stream at and simultaneously record.

Also this night video is very zoomed in and it was a practice session with lots of balls on the field, etc. not representative. See most rent post for a real game video after a recent firmware upgrade

No this is from a Hudl camera.

Hi. This is my second test at 2.5 meters high and 2 meters from the field line. A few times it got lost but all in all it didn't go terribly. Let's see how it goes at the next game away from home ruclips.net/user/liveYEgFyscqwhk?feature=shared&t=606

I posted a recent video after XbotGo released a firmware upgrade. Check out my latest post and judge for yourself. There is 40 minutes of video under pristine conditions. 73 degrees and sunny.

@@Onthebackhalf Thank you Scott

I have not tried live streaming via RUclips. The Xbot app does allow you to stream via their servers. I tested it and it works at 720p . It is free to stream.

example of youtube live streaming: ruclips.net/video/NWN_7B2RZRQ/видео.html

I have now live streamed a game using Xbots free streaming service. It worked well. You can only stream at 720p resolution. It simultaneously records while streaming but also at 720 p

the software say you can limit the pan angle from 120 degress down to 60 for example but it seems like the robot does not pay attention the limits i set in the phone app. best to reduce or not use zoom. I keep the zoom fixed, it only makes the excessive panning seem worse when zoomed in and you will get sick watching it.

yep, you can zoom in too much because the robot pans the camera too fast. If you are less zoomed in the video is easier to watch because the fast panning is more "forgiven". If you are zoomed in and the robot pans fast, it is nauseating to watch the video when there is a lot of panning going on.

I think I am at a 3x zoom on my iphone normally. I stick to 1.3 to 1.5 max. Less zooming and slow/smooth panning usually is best, robot or no robot when filming games on an iphone or camcorder.

Yes, i have a 14 ft tripod that I set up on a soccer sideline to be about 11-13 ft high. In soccer I can get further from the field so I am about 6-10 feet from the sideline. In basketball, i would use fixed zoom of 1x on your phone and I would put a small tripod in the stands at mid court maybe just a 3-4 foot high tripod since are in the stands. Unless you have lots of room courtside. That is my best guess at what might work well. I have not tried it.

I’ve seen some options on Amazon. If you have a 3D printer you can download, modify and print your own. That’s what I did. Thingyverse has options for 3D printing.

Both games I recorded were pretty hot, probably in the 90's. It's very hot where i live and my phone overheats sometimes when it is 100 degrees in the shade. it is an iphone issue not Xbot.

even the new VEO3 has a built in fan now that is visible.

Putting an umbrella on on the tripod to shade the phone helps.

You can buy a “gamer” shade which is much more compact on Amazon. I 3D printed my own and show it in one of my other posts.

@@Onthebackhalf I'm having trouble finding it on Amazon. Is there a certain brand or product number? I need it because my umbrella catches any breeze.

maybe not, it the ball is going out of bounds alot like it will in rec vs comp games or play is stopping alot, you may find it starts searching around for something moving. They have an over 14 and under 14 years old mode which i don't understand other than maybe the speed of play for over 14 or the size of the players effects the AI tracking. Must have trained the AI model on two different data sets.

It works pretty well. Doesn’t catch as much wind as the umbrella and it is white. The unfortunately I live in and area that gets above 100 degrees F and my phone will overheat even if not in direct sunlight. It’s not a Xbot thing it is an iPhone thing.

It is not terrible but it does get lost particularly on set plays. If the ball is not moving it starts looking for player movement and vice versa.

Currently, the original Xbotgo works better for under 14 9v9 games.

I have only had my camera on the parent side of the field so far. I am curious how it will do at a night game. I have the feeling it will be rough.

It does OK with people moving around but I would try to place the came in front of parents rather than behind them.

I have a 14' tripod. It is a Neweer that I bought off Amazon. iphone 12. I am tempted to make an adapter (3D print) for my video camcorder and just shoot the game without zoom at a fixed length. My camcorder has less issues with over heating. I 3D printed a cover for my camera that is white and helps keep the heat down on the iphone.

iphone 12. I typically put the tripod at about 10-12 feet.

Mine arrived in 5 days, shipped directly from Hong Kong. They might be ramping up delivery now

Mine took about 10-12 days or so.

I think fixed is better in my opinion. the zooming is in consistent, makes me nauseous, and I am more interested in see more of the field and the shape of the teams. My personal preference is to turn the zoom off right now.

yes, there is a live stream option. What you see is out of the box football/soccer mode. I think i slowed the motor/tracking down though and turned off zooming. The problem with the live streaming is that you have to get all the going on your phone and get the game recording on the same phone. logistically it is a pain. I have not tried the apple watch monitoring. I would need to steal my daughter to try that.

10-12 feet but it can go higher. My biggest complaint is that you need another device to monitor your iphone! Logistically is a bit of drag to setup a game.

Usually I film at 1080p/30 fps. I think 80-90 minutes ends up being about 6GB per half so 12GB total. If you shot 4K at 30 fps you are usually talking about 12 GB per half or 24 GB total

10-12 i think. I think they (Xbot) does not recommend putting it much higher than 11 feet. I thought i read that somewhere.

@@Onthebackhalf 16 ft is better is records better the opposit side

Yeah I’ve been at 14 ft or so lately which is better than 11-12

I am usually turning off the auto zoom now. when you are zoomed it is makes the panning back in forth worse to watch on film. Stay zoomed out with your iphone on 1.3-1.5x fixed zoom and that seems to work ok but the AI is not good enough at keeping up with the play and have zoom on IMHO

Yeah, i kept it. Hopefully the AI will get better. it needs work. It is not waterproof and I bought it winter games at night.

i feel like it over tilts a bit but that may be why Xbot, i thought, recommended not putting it up higher than 11 or 14 feet, i can remember which.

No, i bought my own stand. It is a neweer brand one that I bought off of amazon. I deliberately turned off the autozoom because i did not like it in a previous video that i made. I just fix my iphone at about 1.3 to 1.5x zoom and film without zooming.

honestly i have not played with it enough. I have access to a Veo3. I got this so that I did not have manually record my daughters high school games this year. I think this misses too much action right now and her games are at night and I usually video from the observation booth in the stadium. I doubt the Xbot will track from that far away from the field and it will probably have trouble with the light conditions and the weather. The Xbot is not water proof which is a fatal flaw for winter games in Northern CA.

6-10 feet from the sideline with camera mounted at about 11-13 ft high. I wish I could lock the tilt angle but it seems you can't. I feel it over tilts downward too much for my taste. Pan angle is set to 120. I tried changing this in the software but the AI seems to override the limits for example if i set it to 60 degrees of pan, it still seems to go to 120.