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The science behind our grown-up toys.
RC Crawler Suspension and Design.
And sometimes Mountain Bikes.
RC Crawler Suspension and Design.
And sometimes Mountain Bikes.
Preload v. Spring Rate
Here you will learn the difference between Preload and Spring Rate on RC Cars and how to tune specifically for RC Crawlers.
00:00 Intro
00:20 Spring Theory
04:20 Spring Rate
06:30 Preload
10:37 Advanced Tuning
12:48 Corner Weight
13:42 How to Adjust Preload
14:14 RC Crawlers
14:52 How to Tune for Full Droop
17:08 Climbing
19:36 What Did We Learn?
#RC #rccrawling #rccar #rccrawl #rcextreme4x4offroad #rcextreme #shocktuning #shocks #automobile #4x4offroad #sciencefacts
00:00 Intro
00:20 Spring Theory
04:20 Spring Rate
06:30 Preload
10:37 Advanced Tuning
12:48 Corner Weight
13:42 How to Adjust Preload
14:14 RC Crawlers
14:52 How to Tune for Full Droop
17:08 Climbing
19:36 What Did We Learn?
#RC #rccrawling #rccar #rccrawl #rcextreme4x4offroad #rcextreme #shocktuning #shocks #automobile #4x4offroad #sciencefacts
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Видео
Random Rock, Windy Tempe
Просмотров 3919 часов назад
Just a rock on the side of the road near Papago Park. I could spend hours doing this. What a dumb hobby. But so satisfying. 00:00 Successes 01:24 Fails
INTERVIEW SERIES - Matt Beest of Dlux Fab
Просмотров 435День назад
Find out about the inner workings of Dlux Fab and random chatter about competition, concerts and crazy cool crawler parts. GUEST: Matt Beest - driver, builder, technical genius 00:00 Intro 01:26 How Many Products? 03:28 Where did you start in RC? 08:05 Dlux History 13:04 It's about The People 13:44 New Products 14:50 Start of Crawlers 15:35 The State of Competition 17:05 Super Class 19:42 Oil W...
Can you have TOO much Articulation?
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.28 дней назад
How to dial in the right amount of Articulation on your RC Crawler. Don't get stuck in a chasm. Float above and live! 00:00 Intro 00:18 Definitions 00:47 Too Much 01:26 Just Right 01:48 On the Bench 03:06 Binding 04:24 On the Rocks 05:21 What Did We Learn
Rear Steer Demo
Просмотров 284Месяц назад
This demo shows how a little rear steer can make a big difference. The rear wheels work against the front wheels and generate traction. Also, the rear wheels can find their own preferred line to climb.
Best Battery for Axial SXC24 Crawler - Gens Ace
Просмотров 221Месяц назад
I like this Gens Ace battery - it's got a better shape, lower center of gravity CG CoG and very reliable. Also some great hack tips for taking good care of your battery. Lipo 450mah 2S 24C I only recommend products that I own, have tested, and bought with my own money. Here are links to everything in the video and Amazon shares a commission, so stick it to the man and support the independent cr...
Portals & Twist - Part 2
Просмотров 820Месяц назад
Here I revisit the topic of Torque Twist and Portal Axles on RC Crawlers. 00:00 00:39 Review 02:22 Axle 03:28 Myth One 05:04 Myth Two 05:21 Demo 06:52 Demo with Brakes 08:12 Slo Mo 09:22 Other Resources Werewolf werewolftech.com/en 74 Weld motorsports.74weld.com/ #rccrawling #rccrawl #rc #rccar #rc4wd #torquetwist #rccrawler #rccrawlers #rcextreme4x4offroad
Death Drop - SuperCut! Vol. 1
Просмотров 301Месяц назад
Extreme RC Crawling! All the good Death Drops to date. #rccrawl #rccrawling #rccrawler #rcextreme #rcextreme4x4offroad
What's Up with my RC Crawler Today?
Просмотров 3,2 тыс.Месяц назад
Teardown of my Ultra Custom Poizd T3 to promote creativity and ideas on your Crawler. 00:00 Intro 00:25 Overview 01:01 Poizd 01:18 Capra Body 01:50 Axles 03:40 Rear Links 08:00 Low Profile Bumper 09:00 Springs 09:58 Servo Saver 13:20 Narrow Rails 14:00 Carbon Ramp 14:24 Skid Plates 16:14 Mid-Bearing Carrier 17:30 Motor 18:10 Custom Skid 18:20 Chassis 20:23 Battery Mount 21:12 Servo Mount 22:30 ...
Latest Custom Parts Unboxing - RC Crawler
Просмотров 379Месяц назад
3D Printed SLM - Steel Servo Mount Loaded-Dice-LESS Weight Hangers - Glass filled MJF Nylon PA12 00:00 Intro 00:10 Weight Hangers 01:08 Servo Mount www.craftcloud.com www.jawstec.com #3dprint #rccrawler #rccrawling #rc
Get the BEST Response from your Steering Servo & Linkage
Просмотров 2 тыс.Месяц назад
Get the BEST Response from your Steering Servo & Linkage
Trim v. Sub-Trim - Do you know the difference?
Просмотров 508Месяц назад
Trim v. Sub-Trim - Do you know the difference?
Crawling near the beautiful Orange California Poppies.
Просмотров 170Месяц назад
Crawling near the beautiful Orange California Poppies.
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 3: PROGRESSION
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.2 месяца назад
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 3: PROGRESSION
Tripod Fail - Right when I cleared this crux move!
Просмотров 1942 месяца назад
Tripod Fail - Right when I cleared this crux move!
A different kind of electric car with no driver inside.
Просмотров 1172 месяца назад
A different kind of electric car with no driver inside.
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 1: SIMPLE Version
Просмотров 2,1 тыс.2 месяца назад
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 1: SIMPLE Version
The Struggle Was Real - from utter failure to so smooth.
Просмотров 2122 месяца назад
The Struggle Was Real - from utter failure to so smooth.
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 2: DETAILED Version
Просмотров 14 тыс.2 месяца назад
Tuning with Shock Angle - Part 2: DETAILED Version
Diabo Steep Progression #rc #rccrawler #rcextreme #rcextreme4x4offroad #deathdrop #practice
Просмотров 2292 месяца назад
Diabo Steep Progression #rc #rccrawler #rcextreme #rcextreme4x4offroad #deathdrop #practice
Mountain Bike Suspension - Specialized Deep Dive & The FSR Legacy
Просмотров 882 месяца назад
Mountain Bike Suspension - Specialized Deep Dive & The FSR Legacy
Do Portal Axles Reduce Torque Twist? Part 1
Просмотров 1,7 тыс.2 месяца назад
Do Portal Axles Reduce Torque Twist? Part 1
Anti-Squat on RC Crawlers - Part III: REVISITED
Просмотров 5643 месяца назад
Anti-Squat on RC Crawlers - Part III: REVISITED
Overdrive v. Incline - How do they Interact?
Просмотров 1,7 тыс.3 месяца назад
Overdrive v. Incline - How do they Interact?
Anti-Squat on RC Crawlers - Part II: The Link Riser Demo
Просмотров 7 тыс.3 месяца назад
Anti-Squat on RC Crawlers - Part II: The Link Riser Demo
so to prevent torque twist, pre-load is not useful because it is not making the spring stiffer which is what many ppl are saying in the mini crawler chat groups. interesting. And running no springs or shorter than the shock stroke springs doesn't make sense because I want my tires in contact with the surface; not just contact, but with a little force to have traction/friction.
That is correct - preload is not going to help with torque twist. Stiffer springs with low preload would be the correct approach. If you have no springs, you still have the weight of the axle and chassis pushing down on the tires for traction. Adding springs won't increase your down force - you can't create any more down force than the weight of your car (unless you are moving fast and add wings lol). Springs will help to smooth things out and maintain more consistent contact, but not add more force. 80-90% droop, very light springs with high preload is a nice place to be for most people. If you are climbing super steep stuff all the time, full droop with negative springs might be your preference.
Some of these videos explain so much that I’ve used but didn’t really know how it was working. It’s allowed me to put a bunch of random pieces of information together that make a more complete picture.
I love that!
Great, thank you!
You are welcome!
Great information, how always 👍🏻
Thanks again!
Awesome tutorial. 👍🏾💯
Thank you!
So cool. I love that you include the times it went wrong.
Thanks for saying that. I debated whether or not it was of interest.
@@BoomslangSuss I, for one, appreciate the journey. Just the ultimate result does little justice to the trials along the way
Champ 👍
Thanks! Even better version coming 😎
What can I do to make a stock scx10 pro better? I’d love to run a chassis like this but my local competition dosen’t allow it.
Soft tires and soft inserts. Lower the ride height. Add weight to the front to get a 60-65% forward weight bias - add it as low as possible like at the steering knuckle. Remove weight from other places. Not sure if this is possible on your setup but switch to a front Servo-on-Axle design. If you really want to go crazy, try Loaded Dice wheels and weight hangers from Dlux. So many things are possible!
@@BoomslangSuss Thank you! I just recently bought a brass steering knuckle and jconcept tusks. Also, do you think having the most weight possible below is better?
@@lucaqdjncs You actually want to keep your total weight on the lighter side where you can. Don't just add weight to add weight. It's best to move parts forward and down, or buy lighter parts first. THEN add weight if needed to get the front weight bias. Any added weight should be as low and forward as possible.
@@BoomslangSuss Alright, thank you!
They are like the profile racing in the bmx world if you know what i mean. If you kept bending cranks, you saved the money for their cranks 🤘
I sure do! Had a few Profile Racing cranks myself.
The biggest thing you are missing is the physics of when the rear end has grip regardless of what the front is doing the rear is still creating an anti squat reaction in the rear anytime there is load on it.. in a real world scenario sometimes it's a whole different ball game.. in a slow slow crawler with over drive its not overly noticeable but it does change alot when it comes to how the suspension actually moves around.. personally even my slowest crawler with over drive can still rip a wheelie so yeah that anti squat makes a big difference when the front wheels have no weight on them..
If you have over/under drive one set of wheels has to be slipping. If the rear has grip, you are right, AS will be actuated. However, most crawlers have a forward weight bias and the rear wheels are slipping. This is what is demonstrated in the video. As you start to go up hill, your weight bias naturally shifts to the rear and you start to get more traction in the rear as you point out. Also remember, AS is a dynamic response to a dynamic weight shift. If you are crawling at a slow speed AS doesn't do anything. I published a couple videos on that topic.
Anytime you hit a bind the anti-squat is working... acceleration is in direct contact with torque on the chassis, and we all know you dont need to actually be accelerating forward the create torque on the chassis..
No, but you need acceleration to activate anti-squat. It's a dynamic response to a dynamic weight shift. AS has nothing to do with wheel torque.
It's all explained here. ruclips.net/video/-ad04wUd8PQ/видео.html
@BoomslangSuss you are very wrong, anti squat has everything to do with torque as its a direct relation be the tire rotation and since antisquat works on axle rotation putting pressure on the suspension through the links.. also anti dive is another thing, don't be upset with comments just go read a bit more and test properly, if you were to have the truck held back with straps and throttled in place with a high anti squat ratio you'd still pick that rear end up as soon as it starts putting torque to the ground..
@@theoalbert897 I've read every document ever published on the topic and written a few of my own and was professionally paid for my knowledge on AS for 30 years. If you watch ALL the videos it's clearly explained and demonstrated.
U going to Proline by the Fire?
I would like to but probably not this year.
I can't wait for you to 😢do a video on full droup setups
I’m working on spring rate, oil weight and a full droop tuning guide which no one has done to my knowledge. Stay tuned.
@BoomslangSuss nope that's why I'm asking tx
I have been riding mtb for a long 24 years now.. and work as a technician for trek bikes. I got involved in the rc hobbie a few years ago.. all started with an scx24, race buggies, and sct , but got in love with crawlers. Tks for sharing such good information.
I have 2 SCX24 as well. Great for family and friends.
Excellent work, very nice model!❤🎉😊
Thanks! Always evolving.
Cool
Thanks!
Great video, thanks for the info! Do you think over drive in the front or under drive in the rear is better? What would be the pros/cons of each option?
Think of it this way - your rig will travel forward slightly slower than the front wheel speed. This is because the rear wheels are putting on the brakes, just a little, so it prevents the car from driving at the full speed of the faster turning front wheels. So do you want your rig to have faster or slower forward speed? If you want slower, underdrive the rear. If you want faster, overdrive the front. Personally, I gear down everywhere possible - I run 4S and want it to creep as slowly as possible. Better slow speed control, longer battery life, higher torque. Mechanically, it doesn't really matter if you change the front or rear. Pick the one that moves your overall speed in the direction you want.
yeah... we all know Wrcca is a true comp class, Sorrca is for having fun with them shovels and bikes on your rig 😂
Cool putting a face to Delux
Smart people there.
Love hearing from these guys, keep up the interviews! 👍
More to come!
Dope. Dlux fab is the sweetness. On a side note I know you’re a Jinjer fan, curious if you’re into Sleep Token at all?
No, not that into them, but would love to hear why you like them.
@@BoomslangSuss Ran across them recently when their drummer was on Drumeo. Pretty good. Not exactly metal but it sounds good cranked up in my truck.🤙
@@redrustbucket I'll check that out. Thanks! I love discovering new bands.
i'd try to get it to sway a lot and when front end was on the upswing, i'd accelerate.. what would happen?
That was my thinking as well, but proved very tough to hit the timing just right. More practice I guess because that could look super smooth.
thats so cool i love your rig
Thanks!
My Sportsman fever is ramping up steadily and I for one am keenly awaiting for the knuckle weight video :D Keep up the good job!
My final samples of the knuckle weights are arriving soon. Lower CG than Loaded Dice and fit many standard beadlock wheels.
What size rims are you running? Tires? Great rig and engineering. Have an IERC Empire chassis which is very similar to the Poizd.
2.2 tires. I run wide rims, in this case 1.5 Crawler Innovations plastic wheels - wide, light, cheap and I've never had one fail yet. Have to glue them though. Wider rims support the sidewalls better and reduce the tire folding over sideways.
@@BoomslangSuss I’ve seen those rims on CI website. I run CI foams on all my rigs. That is a wide rim. What is your ride width? Outside tire edge to outside? At least 11”? What tires are those? IBEX?
Yes, Proline Ibex. It’s pretty close to 11” outside to outside.
@@BoomslangSuss Thank you! Great videos and information. Keep up the great work! Appreciate the feedback
@@BoomslangSuss wanted to ask you another question. What are you using to cut your carbon fiber pieces/chassis?
Awesome technique
Thanks!
Swwweeeeeeettttt
Thank you. Not as easy as it looks.
@@BoomslangSuss oh believe me I know.
@@DubVredneck😂
@@BoomslangSuss 😁
Amazing 😮❤🎉😊
Thank you.
Thank you for this explanation!
You're very welcome!
BetaFPV 300 mAh 2S is the choice for my 1/24 comp rig.
Nice.
You can use high articulation but you need pen springs on your shock shafts. It's a fine balance. With pen springs on the inner shock shaft in the front, I use lighter oil so I stay tucked in on the incline, soon as my wheels come off the ground, it drops and reaches for ground. The rear using 2 stiff pen springs in each shock. With the shock putter springs on. 60 weight oil. Works unreal..
I’m working on a few videos about negative springs and oil weight. You consider 60 weight a lighter wt?
not relevant tests until the last one, where the high link riser made an obvious difference that you covered up with deliberate poor throttle control.... weak
What do I have to gain from throwing the test? Besides, the test was done “blind” so I didn’t know which was which. Try it yourself.
Excellent, excellent video. I’m not a crawler guy but I have a B74.2 and I’m interested in setup theory at least as much as driving itself. I’ve thought the shock angle (as adjusted at the tower) to be a significant change because of the progression rate but it appears to be a lot more about the effective rate through the whole travel. This shouldn’t be a surprise because all of the shock positions are fairly upright in relation to the arm and the angle doesn’t seem to change a lot through the travel. As a funny comparison, I have a Kyosho Scorpion and the front suspension is ”progregressive”, for lack of a better word. It starts with the shock leaning toward the lower arm hinge but the angle reaches 90 degrees when compressed and goes beyond that when compressed further. The arms are relatively short so the angular change is pronounced. This is a terrible design for this application because the damping and spring rate soften and make the suspension ”bottomless” when you would really want things to ramp up before the chassis hits the track. P.S. I fully agree with the observation that Traxxas has the rate change backwards.
Sounds like the Kyosho has a RE-gressive setup - rarely ever a benefit on any vehicle.
Yes. It starts out as progressive but passes 90 degrees and becomes regressive. I’m looking into ways to fix that as I don’t mind not being ”period correct” and you could have done the same thing in the ’80s if you understood geometry.
Hay have you done full droup yet
Yes, I recently took off my springs entirely front and rear. The axles have high weight relative to the chassis so there’s no problem getting full articulation without the help of any springs so I’m really liking this set up.
@BoomslangSuss hay your in the bay area ? Do you get out to the bean ? I would love to crawl with you I would like to see how your rigs do there's a group going the assilamar in Monterey Saturday the 13th
I've been to Bean Hollow but it's a little far from my house. I might be down for Assilimar.
smarty pants (in the best way possible)
Well, my pants thank you, sir
Great video - thanks! Btw, charger link doesn’t seem to be correct, it takes you to the cables.
Thanks for the heads up! Looks like Amazon doesn't have it any longer so I added an A*Main Hobbies link. It's a great little charger. Thanks again.
man that is so cool awesome build well done..have u seen the rhino v2 if so and u have the time would u be able to share your thoughts on it as I'm thinking to start a build from one thanks love the vid u have given me some awesome ideas cheers
The Rhino used to be a really cool car, but it’s fallen behind a little and is not that popular currently. Carbon rail chassis like Poizd, G-Speed, Corrupt Carbon are all designed by people who are much closer to the current crawling sport. It’s easier to build those chassis into a legal competition class if you care about that. And there are a lot more aftermarket parts available. But they are all custom ground up builds and the rhino at least gives you a high clearance rig right out of the box as a starting point.
@@BoomslangSuss tha nk you very much for they great information on the truth behind the anti squat and the way u explain the overdrive and when it actually works u couldn't of explained it better more people should listen to what u have to say again great information THANKS.. after watching your vid i got online and searched for poizd chassis kits capra poizd and i cant find where to buy one from there,s a few vid,s on people with poizd capra,s but again no mention,s where u can purchase them. again if u have the time could u spear me in the right direction please thanks again Aussie jas
Try asking Travis Rake in this forum how to purchase in Australia.
facebook.com/groups/592039188726431/
hardcorerc.net/Poizd-RC-c150429501
When force applied to rear axle links apply pressure to chassis, for most part slow crawling doesn’t matter that much but if you punch it to get over a steep obstacle I believe it helps still. I mean when you get to risers and link geometry on a custom build you are getting extreme and then it may help as well on supper steeps to get from 55 degrees to 60+????? Sorry but the rear wheel weighted down wasn’t going to show anything. I will say the long long links on this chasis also must reduce the force, Neither made the climb, sooo decrease the angle till one fails. Fine tuning is fine tuning. And can go to far always. Love your videos!!!!
Agreed - the rear wheel weighted was not going to show a difference, which is my point exactly. You can't push the front wheel down under any circumstance, which is what many people believe. If I were to decrease the incline by 1/2 degree, the car without a link riser would climb it, which is why I selected that angle. If the link riser made a difference, it would have shown up at this angle.
Welp, should have waited ten more seconds before posting my question lol. Thanks!
haha
Does adjusting the pinion angle (upper links) coming off the rear housing, affect the amount of torque twist? I can see yes and no, but I'm not educated as well as you 😊.
It depends on your build. I have had vehicles that wouldn’t make certain climbs and I tuned and tuned and at my wits end against my better judgment added a riser and the went right up the line then there are rigs like I just posted and it doesn’t have a riser and it climbs extremely well. I think Capra axle with the absolute worst geometry are one that will need a riser 99% of the time.
It depends first and foremost on having sufficient acceleration to create a dynamic weight shift. AS is a dynamic response to a dynamic situation. If you are slow creeping at a constant speed, your AS number means nothing.
@@BoomslangSuss I’m talking about slow crawling the same line with the same vehicle and the riser being the only change. All other variables exactly the same. The only other change that happened was the axle position due to adding a riser and not adjusting link length. I’m not saying anti squat magically worked without acceleration I’m saying the addition of a riser and nothing else made a difference sometimes.
Well, there are not physics to support that. People don't like to hear this, but usually their vehicles are not as "identical" as they think, and it's really tough to get repeatable results on real terrain that meet scientific rigor. Try double blind testing and see if you get the same results - have someone else set your link riser without telling you. Run it multiple times. At least 3 times, but 10 would be better. Then let someone else drive your vehicle and don't tell them which setting they are in. When you start to add this statistical relevance I think you will find that you cannot tell a difference with and without a riser. There is simply no physical mechanism at slow speeds that could make a difference. Or, ignore this altogether and just go drive and have fun! Thanks for watching the video and sharing your thoughts.
@@BoomslangSuss you can’t get more identical than failing to climb and going in your bag on the trail grabbing a riser and installing it then repeatedly making the same climb.
@@covecityboys So you practiced and got better. That's not statistically valid. Double blind and multiple runs with different drivers is the only way to eliminate the driver as a variable. I'm telling you friend, no suspension engineer would agree that link risers work as you describe. There are simply no physics that support that, which means it's something else, like driver influence. No offense intended toward your diving skill - you are simply not driving the same in your trials. I suspect you won't waste your time on a blind testing method, which I why I did it for you. Link risers don't work on paper or in controlled testing.
Great details on trim/sub-trim, thank you!
You bet!
I use to run high overdrive now I've reduced it to around 10% on most of my rigs, I just like the way the rigs drive.
I’m at 35% and thinking about reducing it. Unfortunately 25% is the next possible step down. I’d like to be at 30%.
@@BoomslangSussI have no idea why it posted under this video....I guess it moved to the next video and I didn't notice...🤣😂
@@mgoo1713 I was wondering, hahahahh
Thanks for explaining the “why” with examples
You bet. Many concepts need examples because they are so often misunderstood. I’m trying to make it clear and simple. Oil weight selection is up next - that will be tricky.
Not gonna watch. Answer is yes
But how much is too much ? 🤣
You’ll know when you start breaking axles
@@joseywilds3133 lol
Jinjer are badass =)
Agree! One of my favorites. They just finished their new album. Hopefully we’ll hear it soon.
@@BoomslangSuss I am lucky to be friends with Max (their producer/sound engineer). Such a good guy. I am sure he'll produce another piece of metal art with Jinjer. Waiting impatiently!
@@DupdopyThat’s random! Do you have connections to Ukraine?
@@BoomslangSuss Not really. I worked/work with different musicians/producers around the world throughout the years (music software project). Met Max at some point. The rest is history =) He is an amazing person.
@@Dupdopy Nice.
Any time I mess with Trim/Sub-Trim I double check my EPAs
Never hurts!
I wish I had these videos 15 years ago, what a resource your channel is. Thanks!
Thank you! I felt there was an opportunity for better science with RC crawlers so I’m trying to offer it. I’ve got a lot more to come.
Very cool
Yes def can have too much. Are there occasions were it works. Like a bunch of rocks but on tech lines no you want it tighter but like to use limiting bands. Especially in front, and let rear fall to traction point if needed but front keep the chassis and the rear with it! Where the weight is. I love your scientific method though!!!
Thanks!