It's wonderful how you two have arrived at the exact same conclusions I have in my search to connect the biosciences to depth psychology. Brilliant! I love how you equate the genome with the Self--I have been saying this for years, and it's such a joy to hear brilliant analysts such as yourself to be saying the same thing. Fantastic!
Thank you Professor Goodwyn, that’s very kind of you to say. We look forward to you joining us on the board at IPSA. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏
"To tackle something at cognition alone is a huge mistake." This is something that made an impression on me. When I received CBT I soon realised that it wasn't really addressing any core problems in relation to my personality, behavioural, and affective sphere. It felt formulaic and artificial.
Hi @user-ux1bv3cl3w, thanks for sharing your experience. CBT can certainly degrade into a facsimilie of itself, based on manualised and inflexible psychological and hyper-rational, reductionism. It has a lot to learn. Particularly from field-theories about therapy, and from affective (emotional) neuroscience. Respect to Ypou and for Your Journey, Steve & Pauline
You are blowing my mind here. Amazing video! I purchased two of your print books on Amazon today and two of your e-books on your website. I have some serious study to do! I can't get enough of your content. I've set aside my work to absorb it. Thankfully I'm self employed and have this flexibility because this has been so fun.
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what an astonishing knowledge ... you are helping me and presumably other people to rethink misunderstood harmful knowledge ... congratulations, greetings and be blessed 🍃
Thank you very much Steve and Pauline. I cannot express the gratitude properly for what you two do. This video in particular hit so deep. At this point 12:55 in the video, I was so much touched that I felt a very strong emotion coming out and unlike other times where I am focused on the chatter of my mind, this time I let it come through and tears started dropping. And the best part of it is I felt and knew that I was about to tear up before the thought 'I'm tearing up' came to my cognition. I'd say this was a very practical session for me.
Would it be possible🤞🤞 to record a session applying & demonstrating this? That would be AMAZING. It can be a difficult to understand without seeing it in action…and then maybe we can apply/see this on ourselves.
Hi @jamesww1418, live training sessions are recorded for our students, but obviously we couldn't host these publicly. Thank you for your encouragement for our work. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Wow! What an excellent video, this may be my favorite one so far. So much information packed in such a short amount of time and it all hits very deep. Also thank you Janek for asking the question, we wouldn't get this kind of gem otherwise.
Thanks Malden, really appreciate your feedback. We try to get across as much information as possible, and we’re very fortunate to have such great students who learn so interactively. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
Oh, yeah. Right in time the information about getting the calm state of mind. I forgot about the need to get some rest. You know, sometimes I think that lots of problems arise from «overheating».
@@JungToLiveBy forgot to mention, that there is a weird thing, called «being unable to rest», which can be found among as common workaholics and so even stimulant drug users. Like constant need to be on the edge, sped up. Like being afraid to rest. I used to have this trait, when I binged on lots of cups of coffee. The same metaphor, problem to go deep within.
So, to create a counter-complex essentially, isn’t to reframe your thinking or psychology in a CBT manner of approach, but it’s too use other forms of modalities in the BioPsychoSocial stack. As soon as you look at a layer of the BioPsychoSocial model, its waveform collapses. The waveform collapses according to what layer of analysis you look at (bio, psycho, or social) and once it does you begin to have a narrower approach a frame to look at. It’s better to move in between collapsed wave forms, in different layers of analysis. It’s to help you see what’s going on in the different layers of life that is operating outside of your conscious will intentionality. - These are just some takeaways I’ve noted during this video. These are the biggest takeaways from this video I’ve noted down. Thanks for the valuable video 🔥
Many thanks Tuwheratia, that's exactly it, and its so much better as a meta-framework, than being Psycho-Reductive. As 'relating' is the key, that has to be the 'go-to' dynamic, as relating describes interaction within and between levels, and as you say, within and between wave-forms. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline.
@@JungToLiveBy wow this is powerful stuff. Moving in between waveforms is something I’ve intuitive for years but could never really explain nor actually could do it. Most of the content online to reframe your life is to only reframe your thinking. That’s one part of the equation out of multiple equations. Thanks again.
I walk away from these videos wondering how so many hypnotherapy and counselling trainers are not doing this like Steve, Pauline and James when the information has been out there for a long time. Panksepp and Solms are also trailblazers like these three. I integrate your teaching where I can with my students and mention this channel often. My Level 6 research is also covering Personal Mythology and the Biopsychosocial model. I wish you had some published books to put on my reference lists. May they come soon. I will be ordering my copy. Bless you all. We're getting you recognised and confirmed bigtime! Bless you all! 😁😁
Thank You, Martin, that’s very kind of you to say, and means a great deal to us all. Be good to talk with you, if you have the time for a call sometime, you can reach out at contact@jungtoliveby.com Blessings and Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏
Hello, from the middle of one adventurous personal growth process. I have just caught a major complex by reflecting on your Personal Myth Guide. I realized that my mother did not confirm me as different nor separate ... bummer. Your theoretical framework helped me a lot in locating this as a root cause for some major issues I have been blundering with for years now. I was just thinking how could I even begin to grind with this multi-faceted monster of a complex. What sort of Mecha-Godzilla should I build to tackle this one? It was quite convenient to find this video after long day of reading, writing and deep diving around memory nodes. What Steve says around 20:00 is a key for me here. I think I'll be having the most fascinating 'conversation' with my root cause of being a being. Thank you so much. Your shared content has already ignited something positively life changing around here.
Hi Kractopus, Affect is smarter than cognition. Its faster, and deeper, and provides meaning. 'Don't think, feel' as that actor said in 1973. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I know you say that you can't integrate the shadow self (referring to the alter ego) but this talk of creating a counter complex mirrors my experience recently where I have been finding myself calling upon and integrating some of the skills and perspectives of my alter ego. I don't know how "creating a counter complex" would differ from calling up another aspect of your psychology to balance your strengths and weakness, if you had distinctions it'd be interesting to know. What you say about them having different physiological signatures definitely has mirrored my experience. My main ego seems to have a sensation that feels like a slight anxiety from my head to upper heart where as my alter ego has the feeling of strength and glow around my solar plexus. Would the alter ego in a sense serve as the ultimate counter complex if related to healthily? My alter ego has been incredible at grounding me and actualising my plans into the real world. Thanks guys!
hello guys, What do you think about the bioenergetic analysis (Alexander Lowen) in the process of regulating the instincts/actions in order to diminish or heal the the complexes?
Hi Kayê Martinez, Lowen was very much in the tradition of Wilhelm Reich. I'm always open to any wave-form that describes the reality of energy and informational exchange within the mind-body-environment continuum. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I heard that going beneath/below cognition is more effective for an intervention (and I understand why), but I didn't hear (or I somehow missed) exactly how to create a counter-complex. How does one do that? Also, in a later video, it is noted that biologists are starting to understanding the person/environment "dyad" as a continuum rather than a strict distinction [an insight already available from Alan Watts and others like him for a long time, which he of course is channelling from Vedic/etc traditions], but my question then would be: why stop at the genome? All of the levels below the genome are clearly no less implicated, all the more-so when the biology/environment "dyad" is already a continuum. Thanks for the video. :) But, to repeat, does one create a counter-complex.
It doesn’t ‘stop’ at the Genome, if you look at the waveform video you’ll see the Biopsychosocial stack. It’s simply that in an integrated therapy meta model that has to include working with medics, then the genome is the most appropriate level to begin to work with the ‘bio logos.’ If you watch our video in conversation with Rupert Sheldrake, you’ll appreciate another dimension to this work. My own life-long background in Eastern traditions is more than taken into consideration too. Context is everything. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I have a question related to instincts, if you have the time in your busy schedules :). When studying Panksepp & Mark Solms I notice there is mention of certain emotional systems being closely linked vs others. I feel having a cognitive understanding of grouping certain emotional systems into “sets” and understanding that certain emotional systems are closely linked and at times, can be triggered together would help one become more adaptive. (i.e enabling one to better adapt emotional systems in a more homeostatic manner). So I’m wondering are certain emotional systems and instincts more likely to be triggered together simultaneously together when compared with other groups of emotional systems? I apologize if my understanding is incorrect. Best Wishes! -Dylan
Hi again @dylancurriedigitalacademy, many thanks for your question. The next step to integrate and even transcend, the otherwise collapsed model of 7-Basic Emotional Systems, is to understand them as superpositioned with other informational states, and representations. An issue within Affective Neuroscience and Neuropsychoanalysis, has been a debate over whether there are more, or even less, such emotional systems, and if the categories they fall into, are 'real' or simply descriptive, as in being an artifact of observation, and the convenience of explanation. They are, it seems, real, when considered at their own level of analysis, description and explanation. However, this is still a collapse of their much wider context. For simple illustrations, tconsider that they all involve gene expression, extrinsic environmental triggers as well as internally triggered states, multi-systemic psychological regulation, and most neglected of all for understanding: nested 'fields' of information, regulation and exchange. Pankseppian instincts can 'fire' autonomously, with respect to our conscious will and intention, and of course they frequently do. However, adaptation, and in particular optimialization for survival and and routine life-span developmental function, have a complexity beyond Pankseppian systems, as they are usually considered. Its conventional to regard this complexity being the respoinsibility of our evolved reflexive Ego-consciousness, to deal with. However, there are a firther class of instincts: 'Meta-Instincts' which are genomically anticipated 'whole-context' scenarios, that have evolved to give such context (and meaning) to Pankseppian drives, which, without such contexts to operate within, can fire randomly, causing neurotic conflict, illness and worse. This is a serious issue, as psycho-reductive and bio-medically reductive, clinical psychology and psychiatry (respectively) tend to focus on the downstream manifestation of this, which they describe as 'neuroticism' (as a personality trait) or as psychoticism; in such cases where Meta-Instincts themselves function autonomously (as in psychosis). Neuroticisim is not a 'personality trait' (causal) so much as an emergent poroperty of the dis-regulation of the human system as a whole. The proper origin of this is best described as a field-phenomenon, that includes the superpositioning of information in several different simultaneous states. One of these, will be in one or more of the Pankseppian 7-Basic emotional systems. The homeostatic function, of a human being, requires context to be approriately registered, at the field level. This involves all systems within the dynamic informational field communicating properly. Understand Superpositioning, and you understand the psyche. Conjecture 'neuroticism' to be a causal personality trait, and you don't. That, is an absured and clumsy psycho-reductionism. Superpositionin gis the key. Kindest Regards, Steve.
@@JungToLiveBy This really clarified things and has possibly helped open up new paths on my learning journey so thank you from the bottom of my heart Steve. :) I feel you are suggesting its best to become less introspective and focus less on the cognitive element of understanding(psycho-reductive) when it comes to emotional systems. Instead open self up to the emotional systems and their various forms(as well as meta-instincts and other information) across ALL the various bio-psycho-social levels to better maintain homeostasis with others and environment, as well as homeostasis with one’s own biology. Put simply is it best I try to observe the 1 or more triggered emotional systems (and their relative meta-instincts as well as other information) as they fluctuate in degree, yet also all simultaneously co-exist(superpositioned) across all the bio-psycho-social levels in my day-to-day in order to achieve homeostasis as a human system?
Is there a downside to getting into depth psycology at a vulnerable and confusing period in your life, as in being overly suseptible to ideas that may have been misinterpreted and therefore enforced incoreclty. Also, how can one pull themselves out of a complex based on a bubble they have created through such reliance on research into this topic (depth psycology in general). Cheers, really enjoying what you are doing here.
Hi Lucas, Ego strength is the key, and that takes firm ground to stand on. If you watch the JTLB Video posted after this one, it’ll give a framework for how to build an Ego position in relation to psychological theories. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I’m wondering if one wanted to create an effective counter-complex in oneself whether you need an accurate and specific conception of the negative complex in oneself you are trying to get rid of? Or can work be done before knowing knowing exactly what the nature of the negative complex is in setting up a “positive complex”?
Hi Rooster Burns, many thanks. No, the essentials are internal communication, by taking the position of being receptive to a non-Ego 'signal' from within, that seeks to be understood. People generally, are not encouraged to experience things that aren't 'cognitions'. When they do, they're taken as being someone 'irrational' - as in 'Affect' (emotion, is just a 'state' and not a form of consciousness (and it is a form of consciousness). The whole organism, including the 'psyche' is a self-regulating system. To be optimised, it needs to communicate within itself. This has to be on 'natural' terms. So, being interested in 'signals' from within, and being open to the instinctive desire to self-regulate, is the very best starting point. Kindest Regards, Steve.🙏
Hi Bakuto, yes, Hegelian dialectics, particularly, are a trap, and generate states that sustain neurosis. A broadly Soctratic dialectic is far better. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
What to do when the individuation leads me to realize my main instincts aren't useful to the society? Why some people - including me - are get close to themself after middle age? (I'm 54)
It's wonderful how you two have arrived at the exact same conclusions I have in my search to connect the biosciences to depth psychology. Brilliant! I love how you equate the genome with the Self--I have been saying this for years, and it's such a joy to hear brilliant analysts such as yourself to be saying the same thing. Fantastic!
Thank you Professor Goodwyn, that’s very kind of you to say. We look forward to you joining us on the board at IPSA. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏
This channel is one of the best things to happen to the Internet! Thank you all :)
Thank You Andre, Kindest Regards, Steve snd Pauline 🙏
FOR REAL!!
Could not agree more!
‘Affect comes on & we misinterpret it via our ego…vs understanding it at the instinctual level’
"To tackle something at cognition alone is a huge mistake."
This is something that made an impression on me. When I received CBT I soon realised that it wasn't really addressing any core problems in relation to my personality, behavioural, and affective sphere. It felt formulaic and artificial.
Hi @user-ux1bv3cl3w, thanks for sharing your experience. CBT can certainly degrade into a facsimilie of itself, based on manualised and inflexible psychological and hyper-rational, reductionism. It has a lot to learn. Particularly from field-theories about therapy, and from affective (emotional) neuroscience. Respect to Ypou and for Your Journey, Steve & Pauline
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you Steve and Pauline! Always looking forward to new insightful and educating material you provide.
The outcome IS the counter complex! Amazing reframe guys, thank you JTLB.
Cheers Lorcan, should fit nicely in with your professional development. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
Absolute gold 🥇
Today has been filled with insights from IPSA and from within, this video is the cherry on top with the hot fudge.
Blessings team 🙏
Blessings Vasuman, thanks for your kind comment and support. Respect, Steve and Pauline🙏
You are blowing my mind here. Amazing video! I purchased two of your print books on Amazon today and two of your e-books on your website. I have some serious study to do! I can't get enough of your content. I've set aside my work to absorb it. Thankfully I'm self employed and have this flexibility because this has been so fun.
Hi again, @savoirfaire6181, thanks and Blessings, to You, and for Your Journey. KIndest Regards, Steve & Pauline
More of this!!!
Hi again Outsider Official , great to hear from you! Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline.
Another excellent video!
Thanks Nathan, very much obliged to you, Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline
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what an astonishing knowledge ... you are helping me and presumably other people to rethink misunderstood harmful knowledge ... congratulations, greetings and be blessed 🍃
Blessings, Emanuele, your kind comments mean a lot and inspire us to do more. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline🙏
Another amazing video. Its great that you guys are back!
Blessings and thanks John, your support helps to inspire our work . Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline🙏
Thank you very much Steve and Pauline. I cannot express the gratitude properly for what you two do. This video in particular hit so deep. At this point 12:55 in the video, I was so much touched that I felt a very strong emotion coming out and unlike other times where I am focused on the chatter of my mind, this time I let it come through and tears started dropping. And the best part of it is I felt and knew that I was about to tear up before the thought 'I'm tearing up' came to my cognition. I'd say this was a very practical session for me.
Thank You, You Niverse, that's a very moving account of your experience. Blessings from both us, Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline.🙏
This is powerful, thank you
Blessings Ethereal, Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Would it be possible🤞🤞 to record a session applying & demonstrating this? That would be AMAZING. It can be a difficult to understand without seeing it in action…and then maybe we can apply/see this on ourselves.
Hi @jamesww1418, live training sessions are recorded for our students, but obviously we couldn't host these publicly. Thank you for your encouragement for our work. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Wow! What an excellent video, this may be my favorite one so far. So much information packed in such a short amount of time and it all hits very deep. Also thank you Janek for asking the question, we wouldn't get this kind of gem otherwise.
Thanks Malden, really appreciate your feedback. We try to get across as much information as possible, and we’re very fortunate to have such great students who learn so interactively. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
Oh, yeah. Right in time the information about getting the calm state of mind. I forgot about the need to get some rest. You know, sometimes I think that lots of problems arise from «overheating».
Good observation, Penumbrum Obscurum, Respect to You and for Your Journey. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏
@@JungToLiveBy forgot to mention, that there is a weird thing, called «being unable to rest», which can be found among as common workaholics and so even stimulant drug users. Like constant need to be on the edge, sped up. Like being afraid to rest. I used to have this trait, when I binged on lots of cups of coffee. The same metaphor, problem to go deep within.
So, to create a counter-complex essentially, isn’t to reframe your thinking or psychology in a CBT manner of approach, but it’s too use other forms of modalities in the BioPsychoSocial stack. As soon as you look at a layer of the BioPsychoSocial model, its waveform collapses. The waveform collapses according to what layer of analysis you look at (bio, psycho, or social) and once it does you begin to have a narrower approach a frame to look at. It’s better to move in between collapsed wave forms, in different layers of analysis. It’s to help you see what’s going on in the different layers of life that is operating outside of your conscious will intentionality.
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These are just some takeaways I’ve noted during this video. These are the biggest takeaways from this video I’ve noted down. Thanks for the valuable video 🔥
Many thanks Tuwheratia, that's exactly it, and its so much better as a meta-framework, than being Psycho-Reductive. As 'relating' is the key, that has to be the 'go-to' dynamic, as relating describes interaction within and between levels, and as you say, within and between wave-forms. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline.
@@JungToLiveBy wow this is powerful stuff. Moving in between waveforms is something I’ve intuitive for years but could never really explain nor actually could do it. Most of the content online to reframe your life is to only reframe your thinking. That’s one part of the equation out of multiple equations. Thanks again.
Now that's a good summary
I walk away from these videos wondering how so many hypnotherapy and counselling trainers are not doing this like Steve, Pauline and James when the information has been out there for a long time. Panksepp and Solms are also trailblazers like these three. I integrate your teaching where I can with my students and mention this channel often. My Level 6 research is also covering Personal Mythology and the Biopsychosocial model. I wish you had some published books to put on my reference lists. May they come soon. I will be ordering my copy. Bless you all. We're getting you recognised and confirmed bigtime! Bless you all! 😁😁
Thank You, Martin, that’s very kind of you to say, and means a great deal to us all. Be good to talk with you, if you have the time for a call sometime, you can reach out at contact@jungtoliveby.com Blessings and Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline 🙏
Hello, from the middle of one adventurous personal growth process. I have just caught a major complex by reflecting on your Personal Myth Guide. I realized that my mother did not confirm me as different nor separate ... bummer. Your theoretical framework helped me a lot in locating this as a root cause for some major issues I have been blundering with for years now.
I was just thinking how could I even begin to grind with this multi-faceted monster of a complex. What sort of Mecha-Godzilla should I build to tackle this one? It was quite convenient to find this video after long day of reading, writing and deep diving around memory nodes. What Steve says around 20:00 is a key for me here. I think I'll be having the most fascinating 'conversation' with my root cause of being a being.
Thank you so much. Your shared content has already ignited something positively life changing around here.
Respect to you, Nu Uni, for your dedication, and for Your Journey. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
This is the one I’ve understood the most! So useful. I’m glad you didn’t stay on topic 😆
Hi again @imogen.magenta,, glad that you enjoyed it, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
Thanks, again! ❤️🔥🐦🔥✨
Blessings, @Lioness_of_Gaia, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
I wish I was smart enough to understand everything on this channel.
Hi Kractopus, Affect is smarter than cognition. Its faster, and deeper, and provides meaning. 'Don't think, feel' as that actor said in 1973. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I really want to thank you for doing this
Thanks Kractopus, much appreciated, Kindest Tegards, Steve and Pauline
It would be cool to see one of your hypnosis sessions someday!
Cheers TurboSol. For confidentiality, and duty of care, we keep these for our training seminars. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
@@JungToLiveBy I was afraid of that! But I understand, cheers!
I know you say that you can't integrate the shadow self (referring to the alter ego) but this talk of creating a counter complex mirrors my experience recently where I have been finding myself calling upon and integrating some of the skills and perspectives of my alter ego.
I don't know how "creating a counter complex" would differ from calling up another aspect of your psychology to balance your strengths and weakness, if you had distinctions it'd be interesting to know.
What you say about them having different physiological signatures definitely has mirrored my experience. My main ego seems to have a sensation that feels like a slight anxiety from my head to upper heart where as my alter ego has the feeling of strength and glow around my solar plexus.
Would the alter ego in a sense serve as the ultimate counter complex if related to healthily?
My alter ego has been incredible at grounding me and actualising my plans into the real world.
Thanks guys!
hello guys,
What do you think about the bioenergetic analysis (Alexander Lowen) in the process of regulating the instincts/actions in order to diminish or heal the the complexes?
Hi Kayê Martinez, Lowen was very much in the tradition of Wilhelm Reich. I'm always open to any wave-form that describes the reality of energy and informational exchange within the mind-body-environment continuum. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Great video!
Thanks John, much appreciated, Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I heard that going beneath/below cognition is more effective for an intervention (and I understand why), but I didn't hear (or I somehow missed) exactly how to create a counter-complex. How does one do that?
Also, in a later video, it is noted that biologists are starting to understanding the person/environment "dyad" as a continuum rather than a strict distinction [an insight already available from Alan Watts and others like him for a long time, which he of course is channelling from Vedic/etc traditions], but my question then would be: why stop at the genome? All of the levels below the genome are clearly no less implicated, all the more-so when the biology/environment "dyad" is already a continuum.
Thanks for the video. :) But, to repeat, does one create a counter-complex.
It doesn’t ‘stop’ at the Genome, if you look at the waveform video you’ll see the Biopsychosocial stack. It’s simply that in an integrated therapy meta model that has to include working with medics, then the genome is the most appropriate level to begin to work with the ‘bio logos.’ If you watch our video in conversation with Rupert Sheldrake, you’ll appreciate another dimension to this work. My own life-long background in Eastern traditions is more than taken into consideration too. Context is everything. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I have a question related to instincts, if you have the time in your busy schedules :).
When studying Panksepp & Mark Solms I notice there is
mention of certain emotional systems being closely linked vs others.
I feel having a cognitive understanding of grouping certain emotional systems into “sets” and
understanding that certain emotional systems are closely linked and at times, can be triggered together would help one become more adaptive.
(i.e enabling one to better adapt emotional systems in a more homeostatic manner).
So I’m wondering are certain emotional systems and instincts more likely to be triggered together simultaneously together
when compared with other groups of emotional systems?
I apologize if my understanding is incorrect.
Best Wishes!
-Dylan
Hi again @dylancurriedigitalacademy, many thanks for your question. The next step to integrate and even transcend, the otherwise collapsed model of 7-Basic Emotional Systems, is to understand them as superpositioned with other informational states, and representations. An issue within Affective Neuroscience and Neuropsychoanalysis, has been a debate over whether there are more, or even less, such emotional systems, and if the categories they fall into, are 'real' or simply descriptive, as in being an artifact of observation, and the convenience of explanation. They are, it seems, real, when considered at their own level of analysis, description and explanation. However, this is still a collapse of their much wider context. For simple illustrations, tconsider that they all involve gene expression, extrinsic environmental triggers as well as internally triggered states, multi-systemic psychological regulation, and most neglected of all for understanding: nested 'fields' of information, regulation and exchange. Pankseppian instincts can 'fire' autonomously, with respect to our conscious will and intention, and of course they frequently do. However, adaptation, and in particular optimialization for survival and and routine life-span developmental function, have a complexity beyond Pankseppian systems, as they are usually considered. Its conventional to regard this complexity being the respoinsibility of our evolved reflexive Ego-consciousness, to deal with. However, there are a firther class of instincts: 'Meta-Instincts' which are genomically anticipated 'whole-context' scenarios, that have evolved to give such context (and meaning) to Pankseppian drives, which, without such contexts to operate within, can fire randomly, causing neurotic conflict, illness and worse. This is a serious issue, as
psycho-reductive and bio-medically reductive, clinical psychology and psychiatry (respectively) tend to focus on the downstream manifestation of this, which they describe as 'neuroticism' (as a personality trait) or as psychoticism; in such cases where Meta-Instincts themselves function autonomously (as in psychosis). Neuroticisim is not a 'personality trait' (causal) so much as an emergent poroperty of the dis-regulation of the human system as a whole. The proper origin of this is best described as a field-phenomenon, that includes the superpositioning of information in several different simultaneous states. One of these, will be in one or more of the Pankseppian 7-Basic emotional systems. The homeostatic function, of a human being, requires context to be approriately registered, at the field level. This involves all systems within the dynamic informational field communicating properly. Understand Superpositioning, and you understand the psyche. Conjecture 'neuroticism' to be a causal personality trait, and you don't. That, is an absured and clumsy psycho-reductionism. Superpositionin gis the key. Kindest Regards, Steve.
@@JungToLiveBy
This really clarified things and has possibly helped open up new paths on my
learning journey so thank you from the bottom of my heart Steve. :)
I feel you are suggesting its best to become
less introspective and focus less on the cognitive element of understanding(psycho-reductive)
when it comes to emotional systems.
Instead open self up to the emotional systems and their various forms(as well as meta-instincts and other information)
across ALL the various bio-psycho-social levels
to better maintain homeostasis with others and environment,
as well as homeostasis with one’s own biology.
Put simply is it best I try to observe the 1 or more triggered emotional systems
(and their relative meta-instincts as well as other information) as they fluctuate in degree, yet also all simultaneously co-exist(superpositioned)
across all the bio-psycho-social levels in my day-to-day in order
to achieve homeostasis as a human system?
Is there a downside to getting into depth psycology at a vulnerable and confusing period in your life, as in being overly suseptible to ideas that may have been misinterpreted and therefore enforced incoreclty. Also, how can one pull themselves out of a complex based on a bubble they have created through such reliance on research into this topic (depth psycology in general). Cheers, really enjoying what you are doing here.
Hi Lucas, Ego strength is the key, and that takes firm ground to stand on. If you watch the JTLB Video posted after this one, it’ll give a framework for how to build an Ego position in relation to psychological theories. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
I’m wondering if one wanted to create an effective counter-complex in oneself whether you need an accurate and specific conception of the negative complex in oneself you are trying to get rid of? Or can work be done before knowing knowing exactly what the nature of the negative complex is in setting up a “positive complex”?
Hi Rooster Burns, many thanks. No, the essentials are internal communication, by taking the position of being receptive to a non-Ego 'signal' from within, that seeks to be understood. People generally, are not encouraged to experience things that aren't 'cognitions'. When they do, they're taken as being someone 'irrational' - as in 'Affect' (emotion, is just a 'state' and not a form of consciousness (and it is a form of consciousness). The whole organism, including the 'psyche' is a self-regulating system. To be optimised, it needs to communicate within itself. This has to be on 'natural' terms. So, being interested in 'signals' from within, and being open to the instinctive desire to self-regulate, is the very best starting point. Kindest Regards, Steve.🙏
@@JungToLiveBy That’s very helpful. Many thanks!
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Hi @amandaclawson795, thanks for your kind comemnt, Blessings to You and for Your Journey, Steve & Pauline
5:30 affect and existing complex
9:12 where is a complex
How can I get a hypnotherapy session with Steve?
Do I understand it well? Sounds like Nietzsche's problem with dialectics. I mean the oppositions are false. Instincts vs thinking.
Hi Bakuto, yes, Hegelian dialectics, particularly, are a trap, and generate states that sustain neurosis. A broadly Soctratic dialectic is far better. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you!
What to do when the individuation leads me to realize my main instincts aren't useful to the society? Why some people - including me - are get close to themself after middle age? (I'm 54)
Gene expression, instinct, drive, libido.. are Steve and Pauline telling us that the key to healing is sex?!😂
Er no…. That was Marvin Gaye