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  • @danielwilliamson6180
    @danielwilliamson6180 7 лет назад +94

    A shame Adric was such a disliked character. His death in "Earthshock" was tragic.

  • @stupidburp
    @stupidburp 11 лет назад +79

    I actually really liked the Adric character. He was more competent than most companions. The acting was fine too. Even if the actor was one dimensional (not sure if he really was or not) and did not really adapt from his own personality it doesn't matter. As long as we only see one famous role and he fits the role it still works as well or better than even a very talented character actor might do. Still one of my favorite companions.

  • @LightLife4
    @LightLife4 2 года назад +31

    Don't forget, Adric's supposed to be a teenager when we were all annoying at some point or another. You may argue that it was a relief he was written but it's how that's the tragic part

  • @sonofhibbs4425
    @sonofhibbs4425 5 лет назад +43

    It’s new to me that Adric was hated. Mind you, I was like, 7 years old at the time I watched these episodes. I rather quite liked him.

    • @dazzle1545
      @dazzle1545 4 года назад +5

      There was a segment of fandom that pushed the Hate adric movement. and it become almost required of fans to hate him.

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад

      I watched the old episodes with him in it a few years ago and I really like him and he’s one of my favorites. It sucks he died so young and got hated on by some others. He was just a kid 😭

  • @kirstytaylor20
    @kirstytaylor20 9 лет назад +67

    But... I... I thought Adric was great

    • @UnchainedEruption
      @UnchainedEruption 7 лет назад +4

      Kirsty Taylor So did I

    • @danielwilliamson6180
      @danielwilliamson6180 7 лет назад +8

      Adric was good. I think he was a misunderstood character due to fan's hatred. I never hated Adric.

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 6 лет назад +2

      Jealous adults at the time.

    • @WhovianSentaiRiderFan
      @WhovianSentaiRiderFan 6 лет назад +4

      I CRIED FOR 2 HOURS BECAUSE OF ADRIC'S DEATH!!!!!

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад +1

      I love Adric! Why did he have to die so young man? 😭

  • @russelltietjen4407
    @russelltietjen4407 3 года назад +22

    You know it's bad when Steven "Everybody Lives" Moffat is praising the death of a character

  • @Vividiot
    @Vividiot Год назад +11

    He shouldn't have been a hated character. he was prideful with reason, everything he boasted he could back up. he was extremely smart, loyal and capable. He complained only when he had reason to; the doctor DID treat him with less respect than the others from the beginning to the end after all; and his death was absolutely tragic. I'm a 27 year old woman and I ugly cried when I saw Adric's death, and still tear up thinking of how his adventure is over and he never saw his potential. He was one of the best characters in the series, old or new.

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад

      I agree. I’m 12 and I watched the old episodes a few years ago and I love Adric! He deserves respect and deserves to be loved! Sucks he died so young 😢

  • @The_Lost_Subrosian
    @The_Lost_Subrosian Год назад +6

    The theory is that the 10th doctor returned to save Adric during his Timelord Victorious phase.

  • @HereallylikedNewt
    @HereallylikedNewt 5 лет назад +80

    The hating the "boy genius" comment is just plain rude. I've been watching a lot of Classic Who recently, and I actually thought Adric was a very good companion. Also, Luke Smith from The Sarah Jane Adventures is a beloved character and he's a boy genius too.

    • @halfmoonrisin
      @halfmoonrisin 3 года назад +13

      I love seeing a assertive and intelligent companion. I do not like the dopey companions that need a explanation by the Doctor for almost everything.

    • @8LiterallyJustTheNumber8
      @8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 3 года назад +1

      That is a fair point

    • @8LiterallyJustTheNumber8
      @8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 3 года назад +7

      @@halfmoonrisin I get what you mean, but Jo Grant is so lovable, and to a degree Jamie McCrimmon fits that mold, he's a man of action but not the smartest of companions. It's definitely a breath of fresh air to get a companion like Zoe, Romana, or Adric who don't need explanations from the Doctor, but I just can't dislike the "dopey" characters

    • @dommoore6180
      @dommoore6180 2 года назад +3

      It's Moffat and especially a Moffat pre-showrunner. He is rude, frequently, and has a tone of arrogance. Same guy who went on record talking about how much of a "hack" Robert Holmes was and how he thought Doctor Who was a bit crap. Welcome to his opinions but given his career and again that tone, he doesn't come across well.

    • @Omnicient.
      @Omnicient. Год назад +3

      The 'he wasn't an actor' comment we could mirror with Moffatt 'being a writer' but it never stopped Moffatt! Tom Baker said many times in interviews that he never played The Doctor but instead played himself. Dr Who wasn't an actors series as such (I don't watch the new versions, as like most, I stopped watching British terrestrial drama tv years ago, and instead enjoy my firestick). Most of the time we had to use our imaginations to paper over what wasn't present but could have been present if the BBC didn't just see it as a kids programme and worse a programme outside primetime. We all have strong opinions but Moffatt doesn't seem to care how his comments would be taken by Matt. I notice that many writers and producers are overly opinionated and narcissistic and think their way is the only way but there's often a fundamental missing element in many arguments that often reside beneath surfaces; it's my opinion that 'something separate' feeds this attack on Adric and on Matt and see it in action now and again and often happens to young male performers; another example comes to mind is Sam Smith, who was also attacked; I don't mean in regards to sexuality (although for some that may be linked) but there's a core unconscious fear within those who attack who mask it with excuses as to why the character or actor didn't work. Adric was a great idea if it had been handled better by the production team; his age was similar to the age of many in the audience; if the series had been American they would have seen a massive plus factor which would and should have elevated the series and audience; again if handled well. In the early part of the above video Moffat's attack on 'boy geniuses' is an example of narrowed minded thinking, as well as other factors; such as I don't like 'boy geniuses' so I'm going to convince the audience and powers that be that they too don't like them but we only have to look at Harry Potter to see that audiences do like 'boy geniuses' in their billions. Be careful listening to the opinions of writers, or from anyone, as they will, more often than not, be fuelled by quite natural problems in their own psychologies.

  • @grant9589
    @grant9589 7 лет назад +32

    You know, I thought Adric was alright in season 18.
    Then in _Four to Doomsday_ somebody thought "he was an urchin once, so that's all that should define him" and he became a terrible companion. It was a terrible character expansion strategy because it countered any of the prior character development. While Adric did kind of recover after _Four to Doomsday_ he didn't recover quickly enough, and only became as likeable as he used to be by _Earthshock_

    • @dazzle1545
      @dazzle1545 4 года назад +1

      Four to doomsday is what I like to call the start of "Lets make Adric stupid" trilogy. Peter was pushing the Sarah Sutton character and to build up the naive but intelligent young girl they had to tear down the smarter streetwise boy.

  • @dogblessamerica
    @dogblessamerica 2 года назад +13

    People forget that kids are part of the Doctor Who audience. I was 6 when I saw Earthshock and really liked and wanted to emulate Adric. The "bad acting" comment struck me as odd. Going back and watching these shows again, it's not like the other actors are consistently head and shoulders above Adric in that regard lol.

  • @UnchainedEruption
    @UnchainedEruption 7 лет назад +17

    Seeing Moffat young is weird

  • @martinbyrne5626
    @martinbyrne5626 7 месяцев назад +3

    He was adored by many then and is still fondly remembered

  • @mimiquoi7380
    @mimiquoi7380 Год назад +2

    At least Adric make a good last impression

  • @devinpd15
    @devinpd15 10 месяцев назад +2

    “We were finding it difficult to develop and expand the character” bullshit I can think of three ways right off the bat

  • @dazzle1545
    @dazzle1545 4 года назад +10

    Moffatt you created Rory and Adric would kick his butt

    • @Warriorcats64
      @Warriorcats64 2 года назад +2

      The first time, but Rory would come back to life and learn.

  • @Beegeezy144
    @Beegeezy144 5 месяцев назад

    I still can't come to grips with it. It's a sick thing to do.

  • @BenWillock
    @BenWillock Год назад +16

    Wonder if Moffat's changed his mind? Adric's death is such an important moment for the Doctor.

  • @martinwood744
    @martinwood744 2 года назад +9

    Resurrect Adric. The campaign starts here!

    • @Vividiot
      @Vividiot Год назад

      RESURRECT ADRIC! Idk how they would do it but get it done!

    • @martinwood744
      @martinwood744 Год назад +2

      ​@@Vividiot He did come back for a Big Finish. Something to do with a parallel universe universe version I think.

    • @Faunfire
      @Faunfire Год назад

      where was this?? Where can i find this?? @@martinwood744

  • @harrypotterfantng
    @harrypotterfantng 10 лет назад +28

    That was a little harsh.

  • @JavertRA
    @JavertRA 5 месяцев назад

    As Moffatt been pitched up here - he sounds like he's on helium

    • @lumariadp
      @lumariadp  5 месяцев назад

      @@JavertRA This is straight from the DVD, if he was pitched up, it wasn't by me

    • @JavertRA
      @JavertRA 5 месяцев назад

      @@lumariadp Maye he was squeakier in his youth!

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад

      😂

  • @bradzap_
    @bradzap_ 2 года назад +3

    Great respect for this man.

  • @stevenedwards8353
    @stevenedwards8353 7 месяцев назад

    At least he will go down as the one most tragic (to the Doctor, at least, not necessarily all the fandom, lol) losses and failures the Doctor has ever experienced. Always found it funny how almost every show runner/writer hates him, yet even in the 60th his death is brought up as an important part of the Doctor's history.

  • @PeteMalloy
    @PeteMalloy 9 месяцев назад +2

    So, no one likes an irritating boy genius? Nonsense. Two words: Sheldon Cooper. Now there would be a companion!

  • @growinsane9123
    @growinsane9123 2 года назад +6

    I liked Adric, and I liked Wesley Crusher, I never understood as I aged why people held contempt for them and then two older lesbians I overheard at a convention just plainly said, the only reason men don't like Wesley is jealousy, the character makes them feel inadequate and I think they were right. As young kids we are more easily inspired and are full of hope but for some as they age , not becoming a genius is a big source of insecurity. I am glad I never learned to think like that and that I have grown up quite comfortable with myself, perhaps it was because I had Adric and Wesley as role models where they had nobody.

    • @saquist
      @saquist 2 года назад

      I liked Adric but Wesley Crusher was annoying. I don't dislike him like the rest of fandom. I dislike him because they did nothing with him.

  • @Junior2000625
    @Junior2000625 6 месяцев назад +1

    Aldric was great lol

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад

      I agree! He’s one of my favorites and it sucks that he died young. 😭

  • @dickiegreenleaf750
    @dickiegreenleaf750 Год назад +4

    What are they talking about? Adric was a brilliant actor and is even 10 times better today in 2023. I heard a lot about him being annoying as a companion being a young know it all, but I never once heard he was a bad actor. Strange video.

    • @silvrfruit
      @silvrfruit Месяц назад

      I think “brilliant” is stretching it a bit.

  • @monteclemons4206
    @monteclemons4206 Год назад +2

    No Adrick was the best

  • @stephaniecarroll3464
    @stephaniecarroll3464 7 лет назад +3

    They are so bloody rude, wow 😧😒

  • @Grategous10
    @Grategous10 Год назад

    SPOILERS
    Adric was the third companion to actually died (I think). The first 2 being Katarina and Sara Kingdom, both being companions of the first doctor.

  • @R.e.m.y.H.
    @R.e.m.y.H. 5 лет назад +4

    Wow, Moffat is so young here! What year was this?

    • @LunarPictures
      @LunarPictures 5 лет назад +2

      I think it was 2003 because the DVD that features this documentary also features a 40th Anniversary tribute video.

    • @agmor1
      @agmor1 4 года назад

      @@LunarPictures what DVD?

    • @LunarPictures
      @LunarPictures 4 года назад

      @@agmor1 Earthshock.

    • @agmor1
      @agmor1 4 года назад

      @@LunarPictures Thanks.

  • @sunshinethuggery
    @sunshinethuggery 2 года назад +1

    Can you upload the rest of this?

    • @Manwithnoname2
      @Manwithnoname2 4 дня назад

      Just buy the dvd or blu ray and watch it that way.

  • @andrewblyth4677
    @andrewblyth4677 12 лет назад +7

    Wish they'd blasted tegan instead... actually in all seriousness adric probably worked better with tom and I'm glad peter saved nyssa from getting the chop. Plus it made it a brilliant story.

  • @whovianmaster
    @whovianmaster 12 лет назад

    i knew you were going to say that.

  • @Chuixupu
    @Chuixupu 10 лет назад +6

    In this case, I think Moffat is spot on about Adric.

    • @britwigger
      @britwigger 10 лет назад +2

      I absolutely agree, 110%.

  • @whovianmaster
    @whovianmaster 12 лет назад

    Legodaleks Nu-hu is doctor who
    get used to it.

  • @Andybaby
    @Andybaby Год назад +1

    Who says you had to "develop his character"? Did Nyssa "develop"? Romana? Besides, isn't that what writers do?

  • @robertstuart5260
    @robertstuart5260 3 года назад

    I always thought they got it the wrong way round - Adric's brother... forget his name... in.. forget the name of the story too.. was a more interesting character, somewhat roguish, could have been a sort of Artful Dodger figure as a companion.

  • @laurenjcoates
    @laurenjcoates 6 лет назад +10

    Moffat is one to talk. I'd take 12 seasons of Adric as a companion over another Moffat season any day

    • @brionosullivan1992
      @brionosullivan1992 5 лет назад +4

      Moffat gets way more hate then he deserves, he has his flaws definitely. But he’s also written some of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever.

  • @Reprodestruxion
    @Reprodestruxion 7 лет назад +1

    Throttled by Tom Baker irl was my bet

    • @saquist
      @saquist 2 года назад

      How...he left during Peter Davidsons time

    • @Reprodestruxion
      @Reprodestruxion 2 года назад

      @@saquist well not on set

  • @Foebane72
    @Foebane72 9 лет назад +6

    "We HATE boy geniuses"! Really, Moffat? What about Tao in Mysterious Cities of Gold? He's animated, but a Boy Genius sure enough, and he never irritated anybody as far as I know.

    • @danielwilliamson6180
      @danielwilliamson6180 7 лет назад +1

      He may had also referred to Wesley Crusher.

    • @danielwilliamson6180
      @danielwilliamson6180 7 лет назад

      I don't understand why everyone hated Wesley Crusher. In Star Trek: The Next Generation, he got poorly treated by Captain Picard whom kept telling him to "shut up" and Picard didn't always get along with him. I believe Picard resented Wesley because he was in love with his mother Dr. Crusher. But, Dr. Crusher married Wesley's father and Wesley was born.

    • @dazzle1545
      @dazzle1545 4 года назад

      @@danielwilliamson6180 I do understand Wesley or for that matter Will Robinson
      the difference is adric had flaws

    • @jcraigwilliams70
      @jcraigwilliams70 2 года назад +1

      Wow, great reference. I don't know many people who know that show.

    • @Omnicient.
      @Omnicient. Год назад

      Or Harry Potter!

  • @brianp6682
    @brianp6682 Год назад

    adric was meant to be a rogue but lack of acting skill made him come across as a meek and whiny kid. if he was a better actor, i could see the writers having the black guardian corrupt him totally and have adric try to kill the Doctor. Instead turlough was written in to do that.

  • @BrandenLab
    @BrandenLab 7 лет назад

    What's the documentary?

    • @stephenmcconnell1000
      @stephenmcconnell1000 6 лет назад

      I believe it's called 'The Boy with the Golden Star' and is on the Warrior's Gate DVD (I think)

  • @finnc5489
    @finnc5489 4 года назад +2

    Yeah moffat and we hate the impossible girl (clara)

  • @slumdogjay
    @slumdogjay 3 года назад +2

    He was OK but agree with Moffat. He wasn’t an actor. Not a good one anyway.

  • @jonmahashintina
    @jonmahashintina 6 лет назад

    Kids generally dislike watching other kids and think the adults/older kids are more interesting.

  • @halfmoonrisin
    @halfmoonrisin 6 лет назад +4

    Oddly that the showrunners admitted that they were the one's who didn't know hw to develop Matthew Waterhouse's Adric character. The showrunners for the end of Tom Baker's and the beginning of Peter Davidson's turn as Doctor Who are the one's fans of the series should direct their hatred towards. The Doctor's 25th companion could have been so much more and they let Matthew and his fans down by writing him as whiny and the god Awful outfit too! It wasn't Matthews age or acting skills it was POOR WRITING!

    • @dazzle1545
      @dazzle1545 3 года назад +2

      The Adric character with Baker went well. He was not a good fit with Davison and as I stated Adric and Nysa were to similar to work at the same time

    • @halfmoonrisin
      @halfmoonrisin 3 года назад

      @@dazzle1545 I understand your objections to Adric not being a fit with Davidson's Doctor but I strongly disagree with you the writers failed Adric character but changing him from a young rebel warrior whose thirst for knowledge made him stowaway on the Tardis, to a whinny younger like sibling for Davidson's Doctor.

    • @dazzle1545
      @dazzle1545 3 года назад +1

      @@halfmoonrisin From what I watch if you compare the Adric of the Baker era to Davidson, the Baker Adric saw knowledgible in many of the sciences, was streetwise and that was changed to someone who just knew math and was whiny and less intlligent than Nyssa. But if yousee them in Keeper of Traken and Logopolis he a couple of level s above her.
      He is also not so much a male chauvinist as an elitist. Like Romana 1 he looked at almost everyone as an intellectual inferior other than the doctor, Romana and Nyssa

    • @halfmoonrisin
      @halfmoonrisin 3 года назад +2

      @@dazzle1545 Thanks for reply. I agree Adric should consider many of the companions were intellectually inferior to Adric. If you remember Adric was one of the few companions who could pilot the Tardis. Nyssa was from a advanced society true but her character was easily spooked. I just think the Adric companion that was brazen enough to stowaway aboard the Tardis with Baker's Doctor after Baker's regeneration into Davidson's Doctor Adric's character was drastically changed into a whiny know it all companion and that was the writers fault.

  • @jaytops
    @jaytops Год назад +2

    Please. It wasn't Adric it was Matthew Waterhouse. 18 year old smartypants, tried to tell Tom Baker how to act. Everyone despised him. Lalla Ward, Janet Fielding. And even Sarah Sutton slapped him once LOL. It was most likely John Nathan-Turner that kept him in for so long.

    • @Manwithnoname2
      @Manwithnoname2 4 дня назад +1

      Matthew Waterhouse and the character were both insufferable.

  • @leytonjay
    @leytonjay Год назад +1

    It's fantastic to hear someone who was a lifelong fan and once a showrunner criticise Matthew Waterhouse's acting - it WAS dreadful and big a part of why I tired of him instantly and never liked the character. Seeing through to the harsh truth helps with the pursuit of quality, years of watching phoned-in appearances must've driven his pursuit of quality when it was his chance to make Doctor Who.

  • @danielueblacker9118
    @danielueblacker9118 7 лет назад +10

    Moffat did Mathew refuse your advances............ You sound like an old queen rejected........ Mathew was fine the writing FAILED.

  • @charlesmento5968
    @charlesmento5968 3 года назад

    I believe Peter, who I love, is lying; I also believe Eric is lying; I think both wanted Adric to go in what is one of the worst choices the original series ever made; having two girls who don't really work well with the Doctor or the idea of new ideas and different kind of characters for the show stay while the one freshest to the premise of over 19 years go, the one who was the most realistic and most impressive. Sad. Davison just wanted a companion who wasn't as interesting as his Doctor and Adric was similar to his own Doctor so....and Saward never had Adric right as his time as script editor, turning him from season 18's bright, interested and questioning about the universes into someone who was always in trouble and less intelligent than Nyssa. Clearly they ruined the show with that move. And others they would soon make.

    • @Manwithnoname2
      @Manwithnoname2 4 дня назад

      It was the right move to kill him off hadn’t had a companion die in the show nearly 20 years earlier in the dalek’s Masterplan were katarina was killed off, it was the right move Adric was annoying and when he did did it left a impact as you felt a little bit sorry you disliked him in the first place.

  • @Shaestel
    @Shaestel 11 лет назад +17

    You're not even a bad writer, Moffat. You're just not writing. Go away.

    • @JD-Media
      @JD-Media 7 лет назад +6

      Yep glad the awful Moffat era will die, far into the future when they make another Doctor Who DVD documentary, we will look back on how Moffat ruined the show and lessened it's modern popularity and relevance. I wonder if they will show him, the same contempt they gave to poor old Adric...

    • @Doccywho124
      @Doccywho124 7 лет назад

      David Blyth maybe people 'bitch about him because he's not had a particularly good tenure

    • @mintysauce7783
      @mintysauce7783 7 лет назад

      tactician get to fuck you've clearly not looked at any of Moffat's other work. Coupling? Was he "not writing" then?

    • @Wannabe_Baby
      @Wannabe_Baby 6 лет назад +6

      People who act like Moffat isn't the best writer the revived show has had (and it's not even close) are deluded. Who are you trying to fool, really?

    • @Manwithnoname2
      @Manwithnoname2 4 дня назад

      @@Wannabe_Babyhe is far from the best writer the new series ever had can point to loads of others like the writer who wrote dalek etc

  • @fadikhoory5350
    @fadikhoory5350 3 года назад +2

    Adric>Hell Bent

  • @britwigger
    @britwigger 10 лет назад +1

    Of all the companions, Adric was the absolute worst, the most unlikeable, the least good at acting, and he ruined by dreams of being with Nyssa. Bloody brilliant way for him to go.

    • @britwigger
      @britwigger 10 лет назад

      But if you think about it, Doctor Who as a company needs Adrics to move onward, but we as Whovians did not need Adric in the company Doctor Who.

    • @britwigger
      @britwigger 10 лет назад

      NOoooOOOo, that is not true! I refuse to see your point, don't get me mad! lol

    • @britwigger
      @britwigger 10 лет назад

      Moffat nailed Adric right on the head.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 9 лет назад +1

      +britwigger
      And possibly for that he was inspired to create Danny Pink.

    • @britwigger
      @britwigger 9 лет назад

      I concur.

  • @sqishybananananana4271
    @sqishybananananana4271 4 года назад +1

    Now were these people homophobic or against leftys?

  • @charlesmento5968
    @charlesmento5968 3 года назад +1

    we don't hate boy genuises; we hate Moffat's talking at all; Moffat doesn't know what he's talking about

    • @Kryojenix
      @Kryojenix 2 года назад

      Rule #1: Moffat lies.

    • @xXJTAidenXx
      @xXJTAidenXx Месяц назад

      ⁠​⁠@@Kryojenix So he actually likes boy geniuses? If so that’s good

  • @ChrisJohnsonChannel
    @ChrisJohnsonChannel Год назад

    I never liked him because his dialog was kinda lame.. like if the doctor said said something to him he’d just repeat what the doctor said.. didn’t really contribute much the to the conversation

  • @alphs2673
    @alphs2673 7 лет назад +2

    Yeah, big boy Moffat was so self confident in what people wanted and didn't want to see that he just plainly shat on the series with fucking Clara Oswald, piece of junk of a character (with terrible unlikeable actress - gimme drunk Waterhouse any day) that totally killed any momentum Capaldi could've had and lead his era to the rotten mess it turned into. Done great things, but thought too much of himself to just leave when it was proper. RTD saved the show, Moffat put it back on track to fail again...

    • @saquist
      @saquist 2 года назад

      Adric did seem better than Clara

  • @RobertJones-st3wj
    @RobertJones-st3wj Год назад +1

    Moffat is kind of hypocritical given that the companions he wrote were rubbish

  • @halfwayloyal
    @halfwayloyal Год назад

    Mathew spunkterhouse