Visited Chaco 1972, rather negative reception by 2 park service men, but allowed to wander about. Noone else there that day. Started my deep interest in indigenous SW history which continues today. Did not know any archeological history except for Wertherill. Found this lecture positively fascinating. If only you tube existed in my youth. I'm now 80 and still learning.
Long before maize was introduced to the southwest Cat Tails/Tules were a main staple in diet, tubers & roots prepared and consumed in many ways from making flour to eating as raw salad, rare source of natural sugar.
I consider visiting the Chaco area to be one of my finest experiences in my life and I have spent years studying art history and archeological history worldwide. It has been upsetting to read of some of the distressing events which may have occurred among the “exclusive and wealthier” occupants of Pueblo Bonito even if that area was not for permanent but primarily ritual celebrations.
@oldpuebloarchaeologycenter6470 I have a concern, are the archeologists doing the excavation sites at Chaco Canyon with the permission and collaboration of the local tribes? These are burial sites. What dialog do they have with them? Do you as an organization have a current dialog with the tribes? In as much as this Archeologist is doing research, the fact still remains it is a Western person doing this, and not a member from our society. It is difficult for me not to see it as a disenfranchisement if there isn't a collaboration and recognition to the individual tribal members involved.
@Latin-J Its convenient to declare its part of human history when it serves you and its not right to let it deteriorate and be forgotten.So about that, we are told by your society who we are and where we come from since day 1 of colonization, do you think its right? I don't agree with the Berengia theory, nor do a lot of native folk, because we know its bs. Its okay to get a hallpass of behavior to disenfranchise a group of people because of your justification? The best way to learn about these people is first honor their descendants, and give them the respect they deserve. if they want to restore it, they should be supported. The site doesn't belong to the archeologist, it belongs to the people, meaning the descendants. It isn't a tour destination, its a place of reverance and burial site. You want to talk about being a part of something, start there.
@Latin-JI think you need to understand something, to us, it is a place of reverence and the resting place of the dead. We go there to pray and give ceremony. Nobody would want their grandparents dug up at the local cemetary, so why would you think its ok to do that to us native folk? If you paid attention to the way you speak of us, its as of though your hallpass of behavior is more important than our rights as an indigenous people and as a sovereign nation. Those archeological sites are not yours to do with as you please. The best way to learn about these 'people' is to establish a dialog with their descendants and not objectify us as your society and the men in the video deemed it acceptable to do. The desendants and the tribe shoud be respectd and asked to collaborate and if they want to restore it, help to fully fund the tribe to do so and not peice meal. I am all for science but not at the cost of disenfranchisement of my people, which has gone on for far too long.
You are right! It wouldn't be okay to go dig up people's relatives...since we've been doing that worldwide...well the world sure has gotton dark. Profaning the dead has a huge penality spiritually. It opens portals because it is Abomination...what if it could be The Abomination that cause Desolation?😮If the Abyss will be opened and demons are" disembodied spirits" meaning they once had a body...but if a Fallen Angel(Archeologist& Cern)opens all their graves...yike....then all these creatures are coming outta hell for the Great Harvest to devour much flesh Revalations 13 & Daniel 4:6
Visited Chaco 1972, rather negative reception by 2 park service men, but allowed to wander about. Noone else there that day. Started my deep interest in indigenous SW history which continues today. Did not know any archeological history except for Wertherill. Found this lecture positively fascinating. If only you tube existed in my youth. I'm now 80 and still learning.
Long before maize was introduced to the southwest Cat Tails/Tules were a main staple in diet, tubers & roots prepared and consumed in many ways from making flour to eating as raw salad, rare source of natural sugar.
Do you know how maize got introduced ?
Many remerciements for the info on the formation of the arroyo. Very helpful for my novel Kash Kachu (White House)
The Navajo were not "encouraged" to leave. They were forcibly removed.
This is really good information, thank you for the video.
I’ve known Chip forever. He’s the greatest!
I consider visiting the Chaco area to be one of my finest experiences in my life and I have spent years studying art history and archeological history worldwide. It has been upsetting to read of some of the distressing events which may have occurred among the “exclusive and wealthier” occupants of Pueblo Bonito even if that area was not for permanent but primarily ritual celebrations.
Chip was one of my profs at UNM.
@Latin-Jno. He taught us about the abuse and forced expulsion of the Dine from Dinetah.
@oldpuebloarchaeologycenter6470 I have a concern, are the archeologists doing the excavation sites at Chaco Canyon with the permission and collaboration of the local tribes? These are burial sites. What dialog do they have with them? Do you as an organization have a current dialog with the tribes? In as much as this Archeologist is doing research, the fact still remains it is a Western person doing this, and not a member from our society. It is difficult for me not to see it as a disenfranchisement if there isn't a collaboration and recognition to the individual tribal members involved.
@Latin-J Its convenient to declare its part of human history when it serves you and its not right to let it deteriorate and be forgotten.So about that, we are told by your society who we are and where we come from since day 1 of colonization, do you think its right? I don't agree with the Berengia theory, nor do a lot of native folk, because we know its bs. Its okay to get a hallpass of behavior to disenfranchise a group of people because of your justification? The best way to learn about these people is first honor their descendants, and give them the respect they deserve. if they want to restore it, they should be supported. The site doesn't belong to the archeologist, it belongs to the people, meaning the descendants. It isn't a tour destination, its a place of reverance and burial site. You want to talk about being a part of something, start there.
@Latin-JI think you need to understand something, to us, it is a place of reverence and the resting place of the dead. We go there to pray and give ceremony. Nobody would want their grandparents dug up at the local cemetary, so why would you think its ok to do that to us native folk? If you paid attention to the way you speak of us, its as of though your hallpass of behavior is more important than our rights as an indigenous people and as a sovereign nation. Those archeological sites are not yours to do with as you please. The best way to learn about these 'people' is to establish a dialog with their descendants and not objectify us as your society and the men in the video deemed it acceptable to do. The desendants and the tribe shoud be respectd and asked to collaborate and if they want to restore it, help to fully fund the tribe to do so and not peice meal. I am all for science but not at the cost of disenfranchisement of my people, which has gone on for far too long.
You are right! It wouldn't be okay to go dig up people's relatives...since we've been doing that worldwide...well the world sure has gotton dark. Profaning the dead has a huge penality spiritually. It opens portals because it is Abomination...what if it could be The Abomination that cause Desolation?😮If the Abyss will be opened and demons are" disembodied spirits" meaning they once had a body...but if a Fallen Angel(Archeologist& Cern)opens all their graves...yike....then all these creatures are coming outta hell for the Great Harvest to devour much flesh Revalations 13 & Daniel 4:6