I think this is one of the reasons why i like how Sonic was written in Frontiers by Ian Flynn Sonic in Frontiers isn't just a badass character, he has his own moments of interaction with the characters during the game that is really heartwarming to see. Like worrying about Tails, his kindness with Amy, his brotherly rivalry with Knuckles, and even his conversations with Sage and Eggman emphatizing with them. Things that were missing in the recent games
Frontiers writing is rather weak and doesn't move the needle at all. And Flynn's dialog writing in it is naff and amounts to nothing more than a series of "Remember when"s. Probably not his fault, Sonic Team didn't give him much to work with. It was just another "Shit happened, go fix it" story with no character arcs in it similar to Colors, Lost World, Frontiers, etc. Shadow has a lot more to work with inherently and his dialog writing really works here as a result.
Sonic hasn’t been just a badass in well, ever, Sonic has always had heartwarming moments with characters, the issue I have with Frontiers Sonic is that he doesn't feel like Sonic, he feels like some guy whose been through Sonics life experiences he has no flare or fun he's so aggressively normal it's mind numbing, and the heartwarming moments happening all the time makes them start to lose their value, what makes them so good in other games is that Sonic inspires change in others from just how larger than life he is like in adventure 1, but in games where he does have a genuine heart to heart with other characters it's so good because 1 Sonic still feels like himself and 2 we're not battered over the head with them constantly, games like Black Knight, Unleashed and SA2 are really good at this, I'd like to say this is just my opinion and not an attack on you or your tastes, ik I kinda said alot of stuff like it was fact but that's just because I feel strongly about what I'm saying I'm happy you enjoy Frontiers story more I can
*Fun Fact about Sonic Generations:* Originally there were going to be 3 Sonics. *Classic Sonic, Dreamcast Sonic, and Modern Sonic.* SEGA even reached out to *Ryan Drummond* *(The Voice of Sonic in the Dreamcast Era/Original Voice of Sonic)* to voice Dreamcast Sonic but for unknown reasons, Ryan decided not to do it and we only got Classic and Modern. So we could have got Classic Sonic, Dreamcast Sonic, Modern Sonic, Modern Shadow, and Movie Shadow in one game.
Fun fact: It's the exact reason little kids grow up liking Goku, but end up liking Piccolo or Vegeta More later in life. Sonic is like Goku, a Static Character. Nothing that happens will really affect his core strength of heart. Shadow (Piccolo and Vegeta) grow when they over come issues, and most of that growth was sparked by the Goodness of Sonic (Goku).
@@MovieSuperShadowMeatRider goku and sonic isn't the same. Shadow's past isn't the same as vegeta or piccolo. Stop camparing the incomparable. Sonic franchise and dragon ball z franchsie isn't the same thing. Similar but they are a lot of differences. Sonic hasn't felt the sam epain as Sonic in life. Shadow's history and his loss shows and remember over and over the same scenes Maria's death in a seal cube chamber is ridiculous
Awesome video as always big man, editing and effects are FANTASTIC, the fact you do this all yourself is amazing. Keep this shit up man, you've come a long way since I first found you, proud of you dawg
Honestly, this video perfectly describes why I prefer Shadow over Sonic and finally playing through Sonic X Shadow Generations a few days ago and seeing more of his backstory get explored in his own mini series beforehand made me love and respect the character even more than I did before
I wish after shadow gens, the movie and literally every shadow stuff this year sega would be like: Hmmm maybe we should let this blue rat have emotions like actual character
He does have emotions, hes just not depressed or tramutized, or really have any kind of baggage He said it best in SA2, hes just a guy who loves adventure
@ exactly. Why do people not understand that. Sonic’s (in the games) is not meant to be a deep character, he’s just a free spirited guy that loved adventure
@@Abner-gu3ve i think its because alot of people are archie fans so they like that version of sonic better. imo tho game sonic is the best. sonic isn't meant to develop, he's supposed to help others develop.
This is the first time that I type first and I'm actually first and I am so proud to be doing it on an Moker Janiac vid! You're editing style and overall quality are so awesome and you deserve all the love!
It's funny, cuz Shadow has been my boy since heroes (it was my first 3D Sonic game) but the more I think about Sonic, the more I appreciate his character (at least the Japanese and Jason Griffith version since they most accurately depict Sonic's character) I was never a huge fan of how flat his character arc is, but the Storybook games made me appreciate the beauty of the neutral good archetype. He helps people for no reason other than he wants to and we see the positive impact he leaves on everyone he helps, not just in the moment, but long term as well. Tails gaining the courage and confidence to protect others while Sonic isn't around, Knuckles getting the opportunity to escape his burden and isolation on Angel Island by hanging with Team Sonic and even one-off characters like Shara who gained the independence to be free of her toxic relationship with Erazor Djinn with Sonic's support and kindness. He's less of a character and more of a force of nature.
I've always liked Shadow for this design and his character, playing Sonic Adventure 2 solidified him as my favorite character in the series. Up until I played SA2 I had only touched Unleashed and Sonic 06 so I had very little understanding of Sonic as a series overall. But Sonic Adventure 2 literally changed me, I've never been so obsessed with a series before and especially a character like Shadow. When they announced Sonic × Shadow I was so geeky. After playing, it really made me appreciate him even more and only made me even more obsessed with his character. It was SO GOOD. I will always love my goat!
Since Shadow is much older and engineered to his peak, I was always surprised throughout SA2 how Sonic kept learning his tricks and keeping up (even defeating him. I always had this suspicion that Sonic in truth would be equal to Shadow or even surpass him with enough experience and knowledge of his own true strength.
In my opinion Sonic as a character as you said inspire others He lifts others up and bring out their best version Sonic himself is a character that loves nature obviously eggman is technology so thats why he doesn't need a backstory because its basically set in stone for what you're seeing Other versions of Sonic have backstory that show what their driving force is But game Sonic is one where I feel that he doesn't need any of that He is true to his self, he knows his right is correct Thats my two cents on it anyway Shadow is cool I guess he is well developed but Sonic just stands out to me more
well said, i like how game sonic for the most part is emotionally mature and a lot of times knows the perfect message to give someone. while game shadow is still learning.
this game had a much larger budget thanks to the success of both Sonic movies, but this was just a smaller project with a smaller team, Sonic movie 3 looks like it will make more money than movies 1 and 2 combined and Sonic x Shadow Gens sold 1 million in one day and will sell much more after the movie, so the next big not remaster and spin off game which is confirmed to be the successor to frontiers will be big
I remember as a kid seeing gameplay of Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog and always felt like Shadow was way cooler than Sonic because of backstory and abilities. I even remember having a friend who owned a copy of Sonic 06 for Xbox and when I came to playing the multiplayer mode with him, we'd always argue over who got to play Shadow over Sonic and Silver, because we both enjoyed the way that Shadow played compared to the other characters. But overall, I really enjoyed this. I'm glad to see you still making videos, and I can't wait to see what you do in the new year!
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
hey man! i love your videos, the editing on them is actually crazy. what do you use to edit, and do you have any tips? i apologize if this is annoying i just really admire your work :3
I use adobe premiere. Learn the basics and just experiment from there. You can do a LOT soany time you have a cool idea or see an effect you like, look up a tutorial or try to figure it out yourself 👍
Having Shadow over Sonic makes sense but I can't help but think part of the reason someone might think that is because we haven't seen the "True" character of Sonic in a while. Be it movies or even games
The strongest sonic character should be Solaris (because you have to end them in the past future and present) and it took three super hedgehogs just to stop him. IN my opinion ofc.
@@AydenWilliams-x5o Silver shadow and sonic would need to be together and have super form to do damage to him, standard attacks (base attacks) still wouldn't hurt solaris.
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Great video, though I do think if we move away from talking about singular characters Sonic's static writing makes more sense. I don't like the meta era writing from Generations onward, especially when he exists in a vacuum without the supporting cast, but I do think Sonic being mostly static is a good thing. He exists in a similar narrative point to Goku from DBZ. Goku doesn't change much. But he doesn't change because he represents an ideal that the people around him (at least initially) lack. So by Goku being static, he exists primarily to cause the change in those around him. In DBZ you see how Goku's attitude and actions can slowly influence and change people like Vegeta or Piccolo. Sonic is supposed to be similar. He teaches people how to live moment to moment, take challenges as they come, keep moving forward, and enjoy the journey. And I think Shadow's story becomes more effective because of that. Shadow's entire dilemma stemmed from being unable to move from the past, and unable to accept what he currently has. Kinda like the batman thing. Most of Batman's villains are based off a part of Batman, like scarecrow and fear, Joker and going too far, etc etc. The villains wouldn't be bad without batman, and Batman doesn't exist purely because of the villains, but they only are as cathartic and satisfying because someone got that they needed to exist in unison.
Sad to see Sonic these days doesn’t have much depth . I’m not sure why, after the recent movie I wouldn’t be surprised if most people chose Shadow as their new favorite character
Sonic at least in the games never had much depth to him. And that’s fine. Also Shadow has been many people’s favorite character for decades idk where you’ve been lol
@@Abner-gu3ve He has shown depth before. Sonic's morals can be surprisingly pretty grey and hard to understand. I think Black Knight perfectly encapsulates this. It's just that unfortunate since that game...Sonic's character hasn't really been explored in anyway. Even Frontiers didn't do much with him but instead had him act as a therapist for others/comment on bits about the lore of the game.
@ yeah that’s not much depth. It’s an interesting perspective on Sonic’s mindset but it’s nothing different from what we expect from him. Sonic’s character has always been flat, idk where you been all these years to think otherwise
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Honestly the way they write Sonic is so inconsistent, like how Tails has always been able to keep up with Sonic canonically since Sonic 2, but yet Sonic is the fastest thing alive? And the worst part about that is that they never out right confirm is it's just Tails can go really fast but not the speed of sound too, so he's just fast enough to keep up when Sonic isn't running full speed. So that technically means Tails can probably go the speed of sound, and Shadow is canonically confirmed i think to be the same speed if not faster or slightly slower than Sonic. So that also makes no sense.
If I may? Being able to keep up with him per se could be due to sonic holding back. Also, if 3, gens and even Adventure have taught us anything, sonic grows FAST. I'd argue he blitzes shadow as feat wise shadow doesn't really compare to sonics higher feats. At least not until this game and that's with amps. While shadow needs outside sources to grow, Sonic does it naturally.
@@chriss.249 I don't know if i can fully agree with that one, the Shadow thing kind of because his speed does technically mainly come from his shoe's, but considering that to our knowledge he was born with them it doesn't really count as an outside source if it's possibly apart of his body. Also Sonic is never exactly shown by the games you mentioned ever growing fast unless you mean his body, and it's never fully really directly stated that sonic is holding back on his speed. Especially when it doesn't really make sense depending on the dire moment when someone is following him, now if you do mean he grows faster that also isn't exactly true. Sonic has always been called the fastest thing alive, though i don't remember if his speed of sound came later or not. But also in gens in that case Sonic doesn't exactly get faster, in fact it's more implied that he just learned specific moves to help him keep moving without stopping over time. And since in gens he gets to learn a few early, he can use them and master them faster.
@@chriss.249 Also just as a side note despite there being a high chance for Sonic holding back, Tails is still technically canonically confirmed to be able to keep up with him. And it's never really implied that he needs Sonic to slow down a little just so he can, the same amount that i guess depending on where your looking it is implied. So it's kind of hard to say, but since there's nothing aside from obvious game mechanics that has other's like knuckles keeping up. I think it's safe to say he can, also there is a chance he could manage to go that fast on his own over time considering Amy confirms i think in the twitter takeovers (take this with a grain of salt) that she has gotten faster over the years just from chasing sonic alone and i think that she can or somewhat keep up with him now.
@chaoraiser2338 His speed comes from his shoes" I really don't feel like there's any "technically" that can be argued for that. He needs his rocket skates to go fast. Only time he may not is when he spin dashes but that's kinda weird. "He was born with them" U mean Gerald created them for him? I wouldn't say born with them like he grew them or something lol. "Sonic is never exactly shown by the games you mentioned ever growing fast" If I may? Sonic 3 has Knuckles hit Sonic out of his super form. From this u can argue 1 of 2 things. 1. Knuckles> Super sonic 2. It was sonics 1st time going super and his hold on the power was unstable If u argue 1, then Sonic by the Knuckles fight grew in power enough to not only eclipse his super sonic form, but also drag Knuckles in a fight. 2 makes more sense tho. But I've seen ppl argue one As for adventure, it's known the chaos emeralds have unlimited power. That being said, Sonic without emeralds is taking on chaos on his own and beating him multiple times. And it's not like he's exactly "fresh" when he does it. As most chaos fights happen after sonic has done a decent amount of work like going through a stage or fighting an opp. As for adventure 2? Yeah this 1 is pretty clear cut. In it, Sonic uses the fake chaos emerald to use chaos control and save himself from the explosion. After this we see him gassed out, struggling to stand. But he then goes on to fight shadow who is directly trying to KILL him and manages to beat him Mind u their previous fight had a mostly fresh sonic, tied with shadow. Here? Sonic, tho fatigued, manages to beat a fresh shadow who is fully willing to kill him. "It's never really fully directly stated sonic holds back his speed. Especially when it doesn't make sense depending on the dire moment when someone is following him" Can u name some instances? "If u mean he grows faster that also isn't exactly true" If I may? U do know that the classic series at best had him able to go speed of sound and beyond ish, (cd implies he can do lightspeed to time travel but that's it), however, in even as early as secret rings(which is canon), sonic is running through infinite planes and traversing the stories(which are their own universes) with his speed. Unleashed states he could jog around the planet if it weren't broken, Gens has him FIX TIME with raw speed. That's far beyond light. Matter of fact in colors ds, sonic tells omega that light speed is small stuff and no challenge for him. Basically stating that while YES, he can go far faster, there is no challenge to it. Aka he's in it for the thrill. "In gens sonic doesn't get faster. In fact it's more implied he just learned specific moves to help him keep moving without stopping" I'm sorry but where did u hear this from? Tails explicitly states "when the sonics accelerate through time, they restore color and life". Meaning their speed is what's doing it. Ur arguing he's learning new abilities but have u considered his speed increasing is what gives him said abilities? Because he's been able to boost since rush, and even without that? Unleashed. There is 1 other game that drop b4 Gens, that being colors. Where he almost outruns a hyper go on energy created black hole. Pure speed. So what new ability did sonic learn that made him able to fix time when boost has been established for up to 8 years?
@chaoraiser2338 "Tails is still technically confirmed to be able to keep up with him" Truth be told I haven't seen him fix time with his speed tho. It's like saying shadow is sonics equal despite having no feats on his level. "It's never really implied he need sonic to slow down" If I may? Not tryna use this 1 example because there are plenty more, but in the sonic heroes opening, Sonic grabs Tails and Knuckles and speeds them through falling debris to save them from being crushed. Then there's him going off to fight shadow when Tails needed a battle mech to just fight Eggman, sonic facing down Knuckles(which Tails can't do), sonic being called on to beat emerl during sonic battle(which Tails can't do), sonic keeping up with the cyan wisp on his own(to which Tails comments on how fast he is), etc. And while Amy has stated her speed has increased due to chasing him, she still can't catch him. And if they get faster over time through practice, how would it be hard to believe Sonic himself isn't getting faster and stronger? He tells infinite (who he LOST to their 1st meeting but managed to force him to retreat after infinite stated sonic surpassed his previous data) he grows quickly.
yeah shadows the top of sonic- *LOUD VINETHUD* I MEAN ON TOP OF SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD* I MEAN CAN DOMINATE OVER SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD* I MEAN HE CAN HAVE CONTROL OVER SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD* I MEAN HE'S STRONGER PHYSICALLY THAN SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD*
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
@ that’s movie sonic lol shadow and knuckle knocked out sonic due them having a stronger tie to caos energy. In game, sonic has shown time and time that he’s stronger. Not only being called the ultimate life form by shadow himself but has beaten shadow more then he did. Let’s not forget that movie Sonic is still a kid lol metal sonic can copy abilities, and spurts is faster then Sonic.
@ sonic isn’t a kid and movie versions still count its direct adaptation of video game lore, and since they have stronger ties to chaos energy that literally makes them stronger…thats like saying “oh he isn’t stronger than him unless he uses his powers!” Duh? Shadow being created of chaos energy and being so great at using them while also having Sonic’s basic powers is what makes him much superior, not to mention he has weapons and stuff lol
@ bro… it does not mean there stronger. And no! Movie sonic does not tie too game Sonic. Shadow was created to harness chaos energy. Shadow is design off from super sonic. There’s mural of super sonic fighting eggman. That’s why shadow looks like super sonic. That’s why he calls him the ultimate life form. Sonic has shown time and time that he’s stronger. Just play the games lol shadow even said in Sonic 06 that they will lose if they don’t have Sonic. Sonic literally changes fait in the Sonic universe lol
I love Shadow but he is not beating Sonic at least not in the games. In Sonic Forces, it's just flat out saying that Sonic is the strongest in the verse, they're not even hiding it no more. Even Infinite implies that Sonic is the strongest. Without Sonic, Eggman took over the world. When Sonic came back, the planet was saved. Not to mention, Frontiers sonic is WAYYYY above Shadow. I'm not saying Shadow can't surpass him but currently he's getting slammed by Sonic. The only things you can help get Shadow to Sonic is small feats compared to Sonic and some statements saying they're "equal." Besides that, Sonic has way more impressive feats and grows more powerful faster than Shadow
imo, yeah sonic is a stronger character when it comes to writing. sonic isn't the type of character to need much depth, I just love that sonic is a chill emotionally mature dude that knows the right message to tell someone at the right time. however I can see why people think shadow is a stronger character because he has more depth and it makes him a little more relatable to sonic. i can admit some days I feel more like shadow than I do sonic, but sonic reminds me to keep my head up and focus on what I'm doing now instead of what happened in the past. while shadow is still healing and learning how to heal from what happened to him sonic has no baggage and instead lives in to moment. thats why I want to be like sonic and thats one reason why shadow is my second favorite character but remember guys its about who YOU prefer. if u say sonic is better than he's better to u as well as if someone else says shadow is better. Its all a matter of opinion :)
Sonic post Frontiers is absurd on the power scaling department. Shadow currently ranks lower even if Shadow feels stronger. Shadow's Chaos powers should ranking him above Sonic's slight speed advantage. But Sonic has more feats
@Ruined332 I would still say Sonic mostly on plot armor. Generations Shadow vs Generations Sonic it really should be Shadow for example. Frontiers Sonic trumps everyone
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Ya'll seen the new movie yet? What'd you think?
best one of the trilogy
Goated
Loved it
Super fun, but I wish Shadow had more lines.
Movie Shadow is easily one of my favorite iterations of the character he’s SO good
I think this is one of the reasons why i like how Sonic was written in Frontiers by Ian Flynn
Sonic in Frontiers isn't just a badass character, he has his own moments of interaction with the characters during the game that is really heartwarming to see. Like worrying about Tails, his kindness with Amy, his brotherly rivalry with Knuckles, and even his conversations with Sage and Eggman emphatizing with them.
Things that were missing in the recent games
Frontiers writing is rather weak and doesn't move the needle at all. And Flynn's dialog writing in it is naff and amounts to nothing more than a series of "Remember when"s.
Probably not his fault, Sonic Team didn't give him much to work with. It was just another "Shit happened, go fix it" story with no character arcs in it similar to Colors, Lost World, Frontiers, etc. Shadow has a lot more to work with inherently and his dialog writing really works here as a result.
@deedoubs I agree that overall is confusing.
But i think that the relationships between the characters was did well
and IDW
Sonic hasn’t been just a badass in well, ever, Sonic has always had heartwarming moments with characters, the issue I have with Frontiers Sonic is that he doesn't feel like Sonic, he feels like some guy whose been through Sonics life experiences he has no flare or fun he's so aggressively normal it's mind numbing, and the heartwarming moments happening all the time makes them start to lose their value, what makes them so good in other games is that Sonic inspires change in others from just how larger than life he is like in adventure 1, but in games where he does have a genuine heart to heart with other characters it's so good because 1 Sonic still feels like himself and 2 we're not battered over the head with them constantly, games like Black Knight, Unleashed and SA2 are really good at this, I'd like to say this is just my opinion and not an attack on you or your tastes, ik I kinda said alot of stuff like it was fact but that's just because I feel strongly about what I'm saying I'm happy you enjoy Frontiers story more I can
@Door3234 We See Sonic throwing Hands in Frontiers, doing all types of cool stuff.
How he's not badass there? Lol
*Fun Fact about Sonic Generations:* Originally there were going to be 3 Sonics. *Classic Sonic, Dreamcast Sonic, and Modern Sonic.* SEGA even reached out to *Ryan Drummond* *(The Voice of Sonic in the Dreamcast Era/Original Voice of Sonic)* to voice Dreamcast Sonic but for unknown reasons, Ryan decided not to do it and we only got Classic and Modern.
So we could have got Classic Sonic, Dreamcast Sonic, Modern Sonic, Modern Shadow, and Movie Shadow in one game.
Fun fact: It's the exact reason little kids grow up liking Goku, but end up liking Piccolo or Vegeta More later in life. Sonic is like Goku, a Static Character. Nothing that happens will really affect his core strength of heart. Shadow (Piccolo and Vegeta) grow when they over come issues, and most of that growth was sparked by the Goodness of Sonic (Goku).
Nah goku just peak in general
@@MovieSuperShadowMeatRider goku and sonic isn't the same. Shadow's past isn't the same as vegeta or piccolo. Stop camparing the incomparable. Sonic franchise and dragon ball z franchsie isn't the same thing. Similar but they are a lot of differences. Sonic hasn't felt the sam epain as Sonic in life. Shadow's history and his loss shows and remember over and over the same scenes Maria's death in a seal cube chamber is ridiculous
Who did that thumbnail? One of the coolest things I’ve ever seen
Awesome video as always big man, editing and effects are FANTASTIC, the fact you do this all yourself is amazing. Keep this shit up man, you've come a long way since I first found you, proud of you dawg
I'll start streaming again so you can bully me like the good ol days :')
Honestly, this video perfectly describes why I prefer Shadow over Sonic and finally playing through Sonic X Shadow Generations a few days ago and seeing more of his backstory get explored in his own mini series beforehand made me love and respect the character even more than I did before
Nothing more sadder than Silver The Hedgehog being left behind in the darkness by almost everyone
Shadow generations flipped the script for me, this whole time the story was about shadow weve been just playing through Sonic’s eyes for the most part
The goat is back been watching your shorts on loop 😭
I wish after shadow gens, the movie and literally every shadow stuff this year sega would be like: Hmmm maybe we should let this blue rat have emotions like actual character
Game Sonic has emotions, he just doesn’t have the most depth. Sonic is meant to have a flat character arc in the games, y’all gotta accept that
He does have emotions, hes just not depressed or tramutized, or really have any kind of baggage
He said it best in SA2, hes just a guy who loves adventure
@ exactly. Why do people not understand that. Sonic’s (in the games) is not meant to be a deep character, he’s just a free spirited guy that loved adventure
@@Abner-gu3ve i think its because alot of people are archie fans so they like that version of sonic better. imo tho game sonic is the best. sonic isn't meant to develop, he's supposed to help others develop.
@ I agree. People don’t understand Game Sonic’s character. They can still like other versions of him more tho
This is the first time that I type first and I'm actually first and I am so proud to be doing it on an Moker Janiac vid! You're editing style and overall quality are so awesome and you deserve all the love!
Absolutely loved the style and editing, you earned a new sub dude. Keep it up!
It's not shadow either, I'd say metal Sonic is the strongest, he never loses normally it's either exploited or jumped
Ohhhh you trickster! Still metal Sonic, he's a tragedy
NUH UH NUH UHHH NOOOO NUH UH
OVA Metal is definitely up there! We'll see if he'll move up in 2027 ;)
Nahhhh it's Big The Cat
@@czms922 Sonic cd
2:45 WAIT WHAT
the goat has posted
HOLY CRAP DAD’S BACK!!!!!!!!
my man is back
It's funny, cuz Shadow has been my boy since heroes (it was my first 3D Sonic game) but the more I think about Sonic, the more I appreciate his character (at least the Japanese and Jason Griffith version since they most accurately depict Sonic's character) I was never a huge fan of how flat his character arc is, but the Storybook games made me appreciate the beauty of the neutral good archetype. He helps people for no reason other than he wants to and we see the positive impact he leaves on everyone he helps, not just in the moment, but long term as well. Tails gaining the courage and confidence to protect others while Sonic isn't around, Knuckles getting the opportunity to escape his burden and isolation on Angel Island by hanging with Team Sonic and even one-off characters like Shara who gained the independence to be free of her toxic relationship with Erazor Djinn with Sonic's support and kindness. He's less of a character and more of a force of nature.
I've always liked Shadow for this design and his character, playing Sonic Adventure 2 solidified him as my favorite character in the series. Up until I played SA2 I had only touched Unleashed and Sonic 06 so I had very little understanding of Sonic as a series overall. But Sonic Adventure 2 literally changed me, I've never been so obsessed with a series before and especially a character like Shadow. When they announced Sonic × Shadow I was so geeky. After playing, it really made me appreciate him even more and only made me even more obsessed with his character. It was SO GOOD. I will always love my goat!
Since Shadow is much older and engineered to his peak, I was always surprised throughout SA2 how Sonic kept learning his tricks and keeping up (even defeating him.
I always had this suspicion that Sonic in truth would be equal to Shadow or even surpass him with enough experience and knowledge of his own true strength.
In my opinion Sonic as a character as you said inspire others
He lifts others up and bring out their best version
Sonic himself is a character that loves nature obviously eggman is technology so thats why he doesn't need a backstory because its basically set in stone for what you're seeing
Other versions of Sonic have backstory that show what their driving force is
But game Sonic is one where I feel that he doesn't need any of that
He is true to his self, he knows his right is correct
Thats my two cents on it anyway
Shadow is cool I guess he is well developed but Sonic just stands out to me more
well said, i like how game sonic for the most part is emotionally mature and a lot of times knows the perfect message to give someone. while game shadow is still learning.
You’re right. It’s Enerjak.
this game had a much larger budget thanks to the success of both Sonic movies, but this was just a smaller project with a smaller team, Sonic movie 3 looks like it will make more money than movies 1 and 2 combined and Sonic x Shadow Gens sold 1 million in one day and will sell much more after the movie, so the next big not remaster and spin off game which is confirmed to be the successor to frontiers will be big
For the first time, someone else who really gets it. Someone who understands Shadow 😭
BEAUTIFULLY said my guy
When I read that title I thought that you were talking about power scaling
I remember as a kid seeing gameplay of Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog and always felt like Shadow was way cooler than Sonic because of backstory and abilities. I even remember having a friend who owned a copy of Sonic 06 for Xbox and when I came to playing the multiplayer mode with him, we'd always argue over who got to play Shadow over Sonic and Silver, because we both enjoyed the way that Shadow played compared to the other characters.
But overall, I really enjoyed this. I'm glad to see you still making videos, and I can't wait to see what you do in the new year!
that thumbnail COOKED
watching this while making my own custom shadow plush since nobody wants to make any good new ones 😛
hold up this guy's videos are lowkey slept on.
Insane thumbnail, I luv shadow
Shadow can’t do much without the inhibitor rings
What I like about Shadow is that he’s the character with the most potential and amazing powers besides Sonic
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
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Having Shadow over Sonic makes sense but I can't help but think part of the reason someone might think that is because we haven't seen the "True" character of Sonic in a while. Be it movies or even games
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The strongest sonic character should be Solaris (because you have to end them in the past future and present) and it took three super hedgehogs just to stop him. IN my opinion ofc.
Yet there are so many characters stated stronger than Solaris
No he isn't the end is literally stronger than solaris so is current sonic, sliver and even shadow by themselves
@@axiom6000 Yet none of them could actually beat solaris
@@AydenWilliams-x5o I think you avoided the fact beating solaris in a 1v1 is impossible, you would LITERALLY NEED 3 people to defeat him.
@@AydenWilliams-x5o Silver shadow and sonic would need to be together and have super form to do damage to him, standard attacks (base attacks) still wouldn't hurt solaris.
*Except he is... like Shadow literally says in Sonic Adventure 2 that Sonic is the Ultimate Lifeform and not Shadow.
Sonic also said shadow is the true ultimate life form in shadow 05 so who knows
@@twinightptawn6138it's his game duh.
fuck it, they are both the ultimate lifeform, they are equals and they both have a deep respect for each other ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@gravemind76shadow solos cope
@@MovieSuperShadowMeatRider he couldn't even solo in the comics lml got his ass thrown off angel island
Movie shadow has to be the most powerful version of him
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Shadow beat all of team Sonic at once in the movie
And super sonic, he definitely way stronger
@ yep and I can’t wait to see more of him in the future.
@@MovieSuperShadowMeatRider how sgadow beat super sonic
Great video, though I do think if we move away from talking about singular characters Sonic's static writing makes more sense. I don't like the meta era writing from Generations onward, especially when he exists in a vacuum without the supporting cast, but I do think Sonic being mostly static is a good thing. He exists in a similar narrative point to Goku from DBZ. Goku doesn't change much. But he doesn't change because he represents an ideal that the people around him (at least initially) lack. So by Goku being static, he exists primarily to cause the change in those around him. In DBZ you see how Goku's attitude and actions can slowly influence and change people like Vegeta or Piccolo. Sonic is supposed to be similar. He teaches people how to live moment to moment, take challenges as they come, keep moving forward, and enjoy the journey. And I think Shadow's story becomes more effective because of that. Shadow's entire dilemma stemmed from being unable to move from the past, and unable to accept what he currently has.
Kinda like the batman thing. Most of Batman's villains are based off a part of Batman, like scarecrow and fear, Joker and going too far, etc etc. The villains wouldn't be bad without batman, and Batman doesn't exist purely because of the villains, but they only are as cathartic and satisfying because someone got that they needed to exist in unison.
You bait me with powerscaling but you give me something more interesting. Yeah really cool!
Hell yeah Shadow is the best character ever in Sonic Media🔥🔥💯💯
the amount of ppl who only read the title and game here to argue abt power scaling is genuinely hilarious to me 😭sonic solos tho
The bait worked
Black Knight was 2009, not 2007
Sad to see Sonic these days doesn’t have much depth . I’m not sure why, after the recent movie I wouldn’t be surprised if most people chose Shadow as their new favorite character
Sonic at least in the games never had much depth to him. And that’s fine. Also Shadow has been many people’s favorite character for decades idk where you’ve been lol
@@Abner-gu3ve He has shown depth before. Sonic's morals can be surprisingly pretty grey and hard to understand. I think Black Knight perfectly encapsulates this. It's just that unfortunate since that game...Sonic's character hasn't really been explored in anyway. Even Frontiers didn't do much with him but instead had him act as a therapist for others/comment on bits about the lore of the game.
@ yeah that’s not much depth. It’s an interesting perspective on Sonic’s mindset but it’s nothing different from what we expect from him. Sonic’s character has always been flat, idk where you been all these years to think otherwise
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
What you guys needs to know is sonic has as much depth as goku. This is a good thing or bad thing depending if your a pre Z fan or post Z
Honestly the way they write Sonic is so inconsistent, like how Tails has always been able to keep up with Sonic canonically since Sonic 2, but yet Sonic is the fastest thing alive? And the worst part about that is that they never out right confirm is it's just Tails can go really fast but not the speed of sound too, so he's just fast enough to keep up when Sonic isn't running full speed. So that technically means Tails can probably go the speed of sound, and Shadow is canonically confirmed i think to be the same speed if not faster or slightly slower than Sonic. So that also makes no sense.
If I may? Being able to keep up with him per se could be due to sonic holding back. Also, if 3, gens and even Adventure have taught us anything, sonic grows FAST.
I'd argue he blitzes shadow as feat wise shadow doesn't really compare to sonics higher feats. At least not until this game and that's with amps. While shadow needs outside sources to grow, Sonic does it naturally.
@@chriss.249 I don't know if i can fully agree with that one, the Shadow thing kind of because his speed does technically mainly come from his shoe's, but considering that to our knowledge he was born with them it doesn't really count as an outside source if it's possibly apart of his body. Also Sonic is never exactly shown by the games you mentioned ever growing fast unless you mean his body, and it's never fully really directly stated that sonic is holding back on his speed. Especially when it doesn't really make sense depending on the dire moment when someone is following him, now if you do mean he grows faster that also isn't exactly true. Sonic has always been called the fastest thing alive, though i don't remember if his speed of sound came later or not. But also in gens in that case Sonic doesn't exactly get faster, in fact it's more implied that he just learned specific moves to help him keep moving without stopping over time. And since in gens he gets to learn a few early, he can use them and master them faster.
@@chriss.249 Also just as a side note despite there being a high chance for Sonic holding back, Tails is still technically canonically confirmed to be able to keep up with him. And it's never really implied that he needs Sonic to slow down a little just so he can, the same amount that i guess depending on where your looking it is implied. So it's kind of hard to say, but since there's nothing aside from obvious game mechanics that has other's like knuckles keeping up. I think it's safe to say he can, also there is a chance he could manage to go that fast on his own over time considering Amy confirms i think in the twitter takeovers (take this with a grain of salt) that she has gotten faster over the years just from chasing sonic alone and i think that she can or somewhat keep up with him now.
@chaoraiser2338
His speed comes from his shoes"
I really don't feel like there's any "technically" that can be argued for that. He needs his rocket skates to go fast. Only time he may not is when he spin dashes but that's kinda weird.
"He was born with them"
U mean Gerald created them for him? I wouldn't say born with them like he grew them or something lol.
"Sonic is never exactly shown by the games you mentioned ever growing fast"
If I may?
Sonic 3 has Knuckles hit Sonic out of his super form. From this u can argue 1 of 2 things.
1. Knuckles> Super sonic
2. It was sonics 1st time going super and his hold on the power was unstable
If u argue 1, then Sonic by the Knuckles fight grew in power enough to not only eclipse his super sonic form, but also drag Knuckles in a fight.
2 makes more sense tho. But I've seen ppl argue one
As for adventure, it's known the chaos emeralds have unlimited power. That being said, Sonic without emeralds is taking on chaos on his own and beating him multiple times. And it's not like he's exactly "fresh" when he does it. As most chaos fights happen after sonic has done a decent amount of work like going through a stage or fighting an opp.
As for adventure 2? Yeah this 1 is pretty clear cut.
In it, Sonic uses the fake chaos emerald to use chaos control and save himself from the explosion. After this we see him gassed out, struggling to stand. But he then goes on to fight shadow who is directly trying to KILL him and manages to beat him
Mind u their previous fight had a mostly fresh sonic, tied with shadow. Here? Sonic, tho fatigued, manages to beat a fresh shadow who is fully willing to kill him.
"It's never really fully directly stated sonic holds back his speed. Especially when it doesn't make sense depending on the dire moment when someone is following him"
Can u name some instances?
"If u mean he grows faster that also isn't exactly true"
If I may? U do know that the classic series at best had him able to go speed of sound and beyond ish, (cd implies he can do lightspeed to time travel but that's it), however, in even as early as secret rings(which is canon), sonic is running through infinite planes and traversing the stories(which are their own universes) with his speed. Unleashed states he could jog around the planet if it weren't broken, Gens has him FIX TIME with raw speed. That's far beyond light. Matter of fact in colors ds, sonic tells omega that light speed is small stuff and no challenge for him. Basically stating that while YES, he can go far faster, there is no challenge to it. Aka he's in it for the thrill.
"In gens sonic doesn't get faster. In fact it's more implied he just learned specific moves to help him keep moving without stopping"
I'm sorry but where did u hear this from?
Tails explicitly states "when the sonics accelerate through time, they restore color and life". Meaning their speed is what's doing it.
Ur arguing he's learning new abilities but have u considered his speed increasing is what gives him said abilities?
Because he's been able to boost since rush, and even without that? Unleashed. There is 1 other game that drop b4 Gens, that being colors. Where he almost outruns a hyper go on energy created black hole. Pure speed.
So what new ability did sonic learn that made him able to fix time when boost has been established for up to 8 years?
@chaoraiser2338
"Tails is still technically confirmed to be able to keep up with him"
Truth be told I haven't seen him fix time with his speed tho. It's like saying shadow is sonics equal despite having no feats on his level.
"It's never really implied he need sonic to slow down"
If I may? Not tryna use this 1 example because there are plenty more, but in the sonic heroes opening, Sonic grabs Tails and Knuckles and speeds them through falling debris to save them from being crushed.
Then there's him going off to fight shadow when Tails needed a battle mech to just fight Eggman, sonic facing down Knuckles(which Tails can't do), sonic being called on to beat emerl during sonic battle(which Tails can't do), sonic keeping up with the cyan wisp on his own(to which Tails comments on how fast he is), etc.
And while Amy has stated her speed has increased due to chasing him, she still can't catch him. And if they get faster over time through practice, how would it be hard to believe Sonic himself isn't getting faster and stronger?
He tells infinite (who he LOST to their 1st meeting but managed to force him to retreat after infinite stated sonic surpassed his previous data) he grows quickly.
Do a knuckles one
yeah shadows the top of sonic- *LOUD VINETHUD*
I MEAN ON TOP OF SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD*
I MEAN CAN DOMINATE OVER SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD*
I MEAN HE CAN HAVE CONTROL OVER SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD*
I MEAN HE'S STRONGER PHYSICALLY THAN SONIC- *LOUD VINETHUD*
read idw you love sonic in there and idw is canon too
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I would say metal sonic. Metal sonic usually gets jumped or exploited.
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
@ that’s movie sonic lol shadow and knuckle knocked out sonic due them having a stronger tie to caos energy. In game, sonic has shown time and time that he’s stronger. Not only being called the ultimate life form by shadow himself but has beaten shadow more then he did. Let’s not forget that movie Sonic is still a kid lol metal sonic can copy abilities, and spurts is faster then Sonic.
@ sonic isn’t a kid and movie versions still count its direct adaptation of video game lore, and since they have stronger ties to chaos energy that literally makes them stronger…thats like saying “oh he isn’t stronger than him unless he uses his powers!” Duh? Shadow being created of chaos energy and being so great at using them while also having Sonic’s basic powers is what makes him much superior, not to mention he has weapons and stuff lol
@ bro… it does not mean there stronger. And no! Movie sonic does not tie too game Sonic. Shadow was created to harness chaos energy. Shadow is design off from super sonic. There’s mural of super sonic fighting eggman. That’s why shadow looks like super sonic. That’s why he calls him the ultimate life form. Sonic has shown time and time that he’s stronger. Just play the games lol shadow even said in Sonic 06 that they will lose if they don’t have Sonic. Sonic literally changes fait in the Sonic universe lol
@ also Sonic can perform chaos control. Sonic used chaos control using a fake emerald in sa2 😂Sonic is broken man.
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Yep it’s shadow and always has been that way.
No
Sonic has beaten shadow on multiple occasions
Shadow has more of a story than sonic does but Okie
bro even metal sonic stronger than shadow
I love Shadow but he is not beating Sonic at least not in the games. In Sonic Forces, it's just flat out saying that Sonic is the strongest in the verse, they're not even hiding it no more. Even Infinite implies that Sonic is the strongest. Without Sonic, Eggman took over the world. When Sonic came back, the planet was saved. Not to mention, Frontiers sonic is WAYYYY above Shadow. I'm not saying Shadow can't surpass him but currently he's getting slammed by Sonic. The only things you can help get Shadow to Sonic is small feats compared to Sonic and some statements saying they're "equal." Besides that, Sonic has way more impressive feats and grows more powerful faster than Shadow
bro did NOT watch the full video. he's not talking abt power scaling. u are right tho sonic solos power wise and character wise for me. 😭
@ddizxx Yeah man, I lost a large amount of aura for this 😭 🙏
@ddizxx real
@@datonebigguy no worries big guy 🙏
Technically speaking is sonic is strongest sonic characters
Except Sonic is stronger than Shadow
Did you watch the video? He said not power scaling it’s character writing
@cael4065 I know that. But I think Shadow has okay character writing but Sonic is written better most of the time
@ he doesn’t go through development most of the time
@cael4065 it's called a flat arc which is typically reserved for mentor characters or those who's actions help trigger character arcs in others
imo, yeah sonic is a stronger character when it comes to writing. sonic isn't the type of character to need much depth, I just love that sonic is a chill emotionally mature dude that knows the right message to tell someone at the right time. however I can see why people think shadow is a stronger character because he has more depth and it makes him a little more relatable to sonic.
i can admit some days I feel more like shadow than I do sonic, but sonic reminds me to keep my head up and focus on what I'm doing now instead of what happened in the past. while shadow is still healing and learning how to heal from what happened to him sonic has no baggage and instead lives in to moment. thats why I want to be like sonic and thats one reason why shadow is my second favorite character
but remember guys its about who YOU prefer. if u say sonic is better than he's better to u as well as if someone else says shadow is better. Its all a matter of opinion :)
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Yes sonic is
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Sonic post Frontiers is absurd on the power scaling department. Shadow currently ranks lower even if Shadow feels stronger.
Shadow's Chaos powers should ranking him above Sonic's slight speed advantage. But Sonic has more feats
Of course sonic has more feats, he's the main character and shadow isn't in most of the games
@Ruined332 I would still say Sonic mostly on plot armor.
Generations Shadow vs Generations Sonic it really should be Shadow for example. Frontiers Sonic trumps everyone
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Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously
Shadow is literally the strongest sonic character, he is super sonic level and is the strongest at using chaos energy, besides knuckles since hes the guardian of the master emerald obviously