The Lost Rivers of Manchester. The Cornbrook Part 4
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video we explore one of Manchester's lost Rivers. The River Cornbrook. This is part 4 and the River Cornbrook now traverses underneath the Ardwick area of Manchester. We start near the Ardwick Apollo theatre. Towards Hyde Road and then underneath the Hyde Road Bus depot. We end up in Higher Ardwick Manchester in an area of former railway sidings. In this underground river urbex . We also take in the history of Manchester. As we look at the sight of the former Ardwick Cemetery. The wonderful architecture of the Nicholls School building and take in some old photographs of Manchester. As per usual our Cornbrook underground journey turns into a historical tour of Manchester
New information has come to light since publishing this video. The information is regarding the 'Traction engine incident'. I will issue a video on this subject as soon as I can. Best regards and thanks for all your support on this video.
I would love that! Cheers Martin and crew!
Hi Martin, forget Johnny Marr ,forget Harry "H" Corbett and forget Bill Piddington ( Tarmey)- Charlie Chaplin attended Ross Place School Ardwick early last century during his nomadic lifestyle .P.S. I saw the Beatles at the Apollo in 1963. I am 78 I need a life ......
Ahh brilliant 👍🏻
Absolutely brilliant (as usual!) Thank you!
Cheers Paul
I ride push bike weather permitting
Totally enjoyed that what a great team, Roy was brilliant. Look forward to the next wow.
Had a summer job before going to college in 1971 at Hyde Road depot working for Selnec. The conductors brought their ticket machines in so that they could be checked against ticket sales and I was that person adding it all up on a huge adding machine .
Ardwick is very interesting for me as my Grandmother was born there in 1880 . Thanks for a very interesting video Martin.
Always a treat to get new impressions from your lost waterways. And very happy that smell-o-vision isn't invented yet!
Next section is worse
Looked forward to this and it didn’t disappoint. Loved the lime formations and the black brook confluence, you guys go above and beyond for our viewing pleasure. Another great video.👍
1000 channels on the TV and I’m watching Martin Zero 👍
Good on ya 😁👍🏻
Second that!
I’ve been waiting for another Cornbrook segment! Not disappointed absolutely fascinated about the Black Brook such a shame it’s lost to a concrete pipe now, lucky Roy has recorded these places previously, Absolute gem is Roy. Another Quality video Martin, thank you 🙏🏻
Thanks Vincent
This video took 2 days to watch for me and I enjoyed every minute! Thank you Martin and the & guys for Cornbrook 4
Thank you so much for these videos. As a Manchester guy who now spends a lot of time away from the U.K. they really make me appreciate my home town. You guys deserve a TV show btw.
thanks again for uploading another video, you have become one of my fav RUclipsrs and find your videos always entertaining when James is there but so informative and interesting. I'm not from Manchester but have learnt so much about the area through your videos ❤
Nice to see James. Adds character and personality to this. He is always happy.
Thank you Martin and crew.
Fascinating video. Thank you.
love the little snippets of the local history
Cheers Billy
I love the correlation of your underground location with the scenes from above. Outstanding. Cheers from NY!
Thank you 👍🏻
Great job Martin. Still can't get over those pics of the Traction engine collapsed through the road... Bet the poor driver messed his pants big time !!! LOL!!
The same could happen again on hyde road if the hole at 21:52 isn't repaired properly. Plating over it is such a lazy bodge.
I may have more info for you
Regards from Sweden Mr Martin Zero
Best wishes to Sweden 🇸🇪
I’m loving this, visited Manchester in 2023 as a volunteer for the swimming championships, so much industrial history.
Thank you
I purchased a couple of books from Amazon at Christmas. Trafford Park The First Hundred Years by Robert Nicholls, The Origins of Manchester from Roman Conquest to Industrial Revolution by Allan Kidd and Stretford and Old Trafford Through Time by Steven Dickens. I am from Stretford originally so I have enjoyed reading about the history of my hometown. All three are excellent books.
Great video. This area is where my family are from. I can remember Ardwick as just rows and rows of terrace houses in the early 60s cheers Martin and the crew 👍
Thanks for the info on Ardwick Cemetery. I first found it while researching my family history. My Great-Great-Grandmother was buried there in 1872.
Cheers Eric
Roy what a bloke Fantastic !!!
I'll pass on your thoughts 😄
Roy knows his stuff martin
Very, very good, what a team. Amazing history recorded for posterity. Thank you Martin and crew.
Cheers
The Trolleybuses at 27.30 are actually trams! There was a purpose built garage for trolleybuses at the bottom of Rochdale Rd opened in 1938 but later in the 1950's some trolleybuses were based at Hyde road, There were trolleybus lines into Hyde Rd so that the vehicles could go to the central car works (the long wall after the garage entrance is the side wall of the car works).
28:12 These are trolley buses
Trams and Trolley Buses are different. Trams can travel as a single unit or attach further articulad units, and obtain power from a single overhead cable. Trolley buses are exclusively single units and obtain power from 2 power cables overhead.
great sunday viewing
Thank you
I am ever so glad you guys go crawling through the mud so we don't have to. 🙂
Manchester University once had a plan to open the culvert under Brunswick Street and have a small lake / large pond between the Roscoe Building and Zochonis Building (then Electronics). There is now a park, but no water feature. In 1974 there was a large collapse where the Brook passed under Upper Brook Street, leaving just the tram lines over the chasm.
That would have been interesting to see Mark
An interesting walking and underground tour this day. Thank you for the many hours staging this tour back in time. Always look forward to them, Martin. Enjoy your week ahead, and see you on the next! 🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸
Martin Zero.... Rivers..... nothing better.
Hello how are you 👍🏻
@MartinZero were allll good. Mooooooore Rivveeeers. (Thiugh I appreciate the work involved!!).
Cracking video Martin and team, well done!!
Thanks to Roy for going round the last bend. I guess you all got out ok🤔🤔
Loved the mix of stories from the area above. What a painting of Dalton in the town hall. I wonder where he was taking his sample?
I shared the thumbnail of the traction engine with my friend Emma down in Oz who has one, she said "that sort of thing happens"!!
All the best!!
I can well imagine, mega heavy
Now I feel insulted that the Black Brook has been cut off and destroyed like that. Thinking about all that gorgeous time-trodden brickwork just buried purposeless in the darkness. Bet its sacrifice won't be for any affordable housing either
Amazing what was built above ground. But underground is something else!
Totally 👌
@@MartinZero still watching. The graveyard part. Unbelievable to know the bodies are there still.
Just made tea, now time for some great Manchester History.
Great stuff what we having
The building at 29:22 is indeed beautiful. Im glad it survives.
Concerning that they don't seem to be carrying out inspections, could end up in a sinkhole or collapse if something isn't done about the culvert breaches.
What a great journey!
Someone probably said this already but Bennett Street and bus depot skidpad were site of Ardwick FC’s Hyde Rd stadium, later Manchester City. There was a pub, The Hyde Road hotel, where the players would change. I remember the pub being derelict and the late 80s maybe, it was called the city gates. All demolished now
Yeah, thats in part 5 👍🏻
No better way to spend a Sunday Bank holiday wife In one hand cold beer in another.....and martin and his crew on big telly ....well done Martin 1st class as always m8
Cheers Bob 👍🏻
Martin, what a great watch along with a great team. Does anyone know or investigated what is really under Manchester ??? There must be hundreds of years of culverts, sewers, lost rivers, storm drains, long forgotten basements, underground canals and so on. People of Manchester and other old big cities live, work and play not knowing what lies under their feet. Amazing watch and thanks to you and all of the team.
Here Here
@@davidkane4614 Well earned by Martin and Team.
Cheers, yeah weve only scratched the surface
I wonder if the water company is aware of water seeping into the sewage system as that could possibly overwhelm the sewage works in high rainfall.
Martin can I request ‘Down in the Sewer’ by the Stranglers for Part 5
I am thinking of Roy in the festering pipe heading to Gorton he says “never before have I wanted to get out of something it’s disgusting” haha
You can. But I’ll get in trouble for copyright ☹️
Never been to Manchester, but your passion towards the lost portions of the area is contagious. I can't wait for the next update.
Thank you very much
Enjoy the videos keep up the good work EEEEEE AAAAAR......also folks ..Bangkok Pat ..RUclips...another knowledgeable channel based in Bangkok.....✌️☮️
Cheers Kaptain
I always marvel at the engineering ability that Industrial Great Britain had from the 18th century canals right through to the 20th century Edwardian era. What happened to this great nation?
Generations of greedy self serving politicians
Capitalists found they could get greater profits overseas where labour was cheaper and costly health and safety etc did not exist.
Yes, and politicians became more interested in short-term populism and votes rather than long-term planning. Grand 'made to last' buildings and infrastructure gave way to monstrosities and back handers.
24:38 looks like a gravestone on the right, I'm sure it isn't though. Another cracking explore, martin.
Cheers Michael
Another great video Martin & co. It was interesting to see the iron oxidising bacteria coming out of some of the small pipes on the side of the culvert. It’s completely harmless in spite of its orange colour. Says something about the local geology me thinks.
Looking forward to Part 5.🎖️
Cheers 👍
"They just moved the headstones - they left the bodies!" - Isn't that directly from Poltergeist the Movie? Thanks Martin!
😏👍
I went to some cracking concerts at the Apollo in the late 1970s when I was a student in Manchester, Buzzcocks and Status Quo spring to mind.
Jot Division supported the Buzzcocks there
First class video friend thank you very interesting 😊. Please keep the great videos coming friend. 🎉🎉From Scotland.
Thanks Iain
Much Appreciated! I love those images and the comraderies between friends.
Thank you Martin and team, definitely another great episode. 😊😊.
Hmmmmm Removing the headstones and leaving the bodies ??? Sounds like a great story plot to make into a movie, WAIT - - - - somebody did in 1982; Poltergeist.
I was thinking of that 🤣
@@MartinZero It's a great movie, the first is the best, the sequels are somewhat weak.
Very interesting! Thank you 😊
Thanks Barbara
"You son of a b. You moved the cemetery, but you left the bodies, didn't you? You son of a b, you left the bodies and you only moved the head stones. You only moved the head stones. Why? Why?!"
So the tree can eat your kids
Your videos get better and better! I've never seen a mainstream (sorry about the pun) documentary to touch your refreshing style and research. Thanks!
Thank you 👍
Excellent work guys. One question? Is Roy related to Ricky Hatton ? He’s a dead ringer for him. 🤷🏻♂️🤔😃
😂👍🏻
Talking of Methane, are you aware of Victorian gas street lamps fuelled with methane from sewers? Methane Destructor Lamps, or "Fart Lamps" burned 24/7, it was a happy coincidence that they provided light. The last one in London, on Carter's Lane, by the Thames, is still lit!
Oh yeah I saw a YT short on it, fascinating stuff
Good on you guys for all your hard work bringing us this one
Thank you Linda
Do you ever get contacted by Municipal Works Authorities , who have watched your videos , and get any "thanks" for finding and highlighting areas underground that have collapsed or are in need of repairs ? Seems you find a lot of breaches that are going unnoticed . Cheers for the video .
No such luck am afraid
Hi Martin. Your video brought back some memories. I was born within spitting distance of the Apollo and went to Saturday morning matinees there when it belonged to the ABC group (along with about 2000 other local kids). As a point of reference, where you were stood in the opening sequence with your back to the Apollo is historically Chorlton on Medlock (previously Chorlton Row), the division between it and Ardwick being Stockport Road (behind you in front of the Apollo). Chorlton-on-Medlock is bordered to the north by the River Medlock. Its other borders roughly correspond to Hathersage Road (prev. High St), Moss Lane East and Boundary Lane, and it's neighbouring districts are Hulme to the west, Ardwick to the east and Victoria Park, Rusholme and Moss Side to the south. The original Polygon Estate was situated in Chorlton on Medlock and the street where I was born would have been on its fringes before it was demolished and the streets of two up and two downs built. Interestingly, Prime Minister David Lloyd George was born in New York Place, Chorlton on Medlock. The museum dedicated to him in Llanystumdwy, Wales has the original street sign of New York Place that was presented by Manchester Council. It was strange to see Stockport Road so quiet and now lacking any real character, the same as other Manchester suburbs that suffered mass demolition in 1960's/70's. I remember it being lined with shops, businesses, pubs, houses, cafes, churches and small factories more or less from the Apollo to Levenshulme. Thanks for your brilliant videos.
Hi Geoff, glad you enjoyed the video. Stockport road was mental, I waited ages for a gap in the traffic to film that bit. Take care and thanks again
Be interesting to ask the Apollo if they have a damp problem as they will have substantial cellars?
We are hoping it just flows into the sewer and doesnt affect the Apollo. I like the Apollo 😄
Can’t help but feel some disgust at getting rid of a cemetery and turfing out the headstones. Bit of a cheap act. It was only run down because the council who was going to benefit from getting free land didn’t maintain it.
I gave this some thought and to be honest can you imagine exhuming all the graves. I think it was best to leave them. But like you say. Probably a swift buck in selling the land.
Do you think all of the limestone formations near the end are from the huge amounts of limestone ballast for the railway above being washed in?
Interesting theory 👍🏻
I wish I had some of these tunnels around here in the states where I am Nothing but barns and dairy farms
We are blessed with these things
I"m sure there's plenty of interesting old things where you are, you just have to go and look for them.
I enjoyed that one and living not far from Blackford Bridge water treatment place and with the right wind direction i watched it with smelly vision
Brilliant 😄
I'm always looking forward to your Manchester videos, Martin. This is another pearler, and you've done a lot of research as to where things are with the maps and photos, making it stunningly interesting. The still existing buildings like the Apollo theatre at Ardwick, and the old hospital are great to know about, as to when they were built. It was amazing to think that you went under Hyde Road bus depot and the railway into Piccadilly. A great achievement going through those conditions underneath, and credit must be given to Roy for previously taking photos of his own journey through there. Most excellent, and thank you to yourself and the team
Thanks Ffranc, I have a love hate relationship with the Cornbrook 😄
Great video 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Another fascinating video Martin, well done to you all, looked horrible in parts.
It certainly was Neil
I am glad it is not "stenchvision". Awesome video as always :)
what were the white crosses on the gravestones?
I am not sure. I wonder if they were to be re located ??
excellent video as always! really informative and fascinating, I bet the thousands of people who commute through the area today would never have known the area was pretty wealthy back in the day - though if one looks, you can find traces, such as a pair of fine Georgian town houses surrounded by industry on Palfrey Place (almost across from the Green) where other Georgian town houses stand. Keep up the good work! looking forward to your next installment.
Yeah Ardwick green still has some big houses on 👍🏻
Lovely video again guys , love some of the old industrial architecture, awesome would be interesting to see if you can still follow anything of the black Brook
We may look into that
The pillars at the entrance to what was the cemetery look like they have been hit by shrapnel.
Yes I saw that but couldnt be sure 👍🏻
Top Video Martin and Gang.... I love the nostalgia... Perhaps you was Mancunian from a 100 years ago or older. :)
Hope not, that was a horrible time to live 😄
The Apollo seen my first band there 1980 the stranglers now the cornbrook it's been a while
My first gig as well
I’m all bizz for this 😊😊
me to 😁
Well done .. .. ..
Really good video love da Cornbrook episodes 👍
Cheers Jay
Brilliant video.
Thanks Paul
There are loads of old cemeteries and burial grounds all over Manchester that have just been built over 😂 im always fascinated looking on national library of scotland maps. Pretty horrific really, your house is built on top of loads of bodies😂 the most concerning thing on that website is how many houses are built not just next to, but directly ON TOP of mine shafts! Fking crazy, i feel like knocking on peoples doors to let them know
Yeah, Bradford colliery workings caused many problems
Strange bit of trivia: I proposed to my wife on a rainy October night 34 years ago on Kincardine Road in Brunswick. To think that we were almost on top of the Cornbrook at the time!
Go back and do it again and mention the Cornbrook to her 😄
@@MartinZero Not sure I dare take the risk a second time!
Great video Martin, thank you 😊❤
Thanks Lisa
Love watching your vids. Did you ever do the shelters below Canal St or the Guardian TE!
Unfortunately its not easy to get into
@@MartinZero true, apart from authorized access think the only way is to keep an eye on the southern access entry tunnel, been “opened” in the past !
Top video Martin and James ☝😁
Awesome Stuff . Love the History .Next Journey will be Brave Thanks
In 92 a friends band was supporting Hawkwind at the Apollo (Manchester space rock band Krel), we went along to see them.. but first we went for a quick pint next-door.
I think we must have got into the beer too much (maybe a couple of smokes too) because all of a sudden we could hear Krel through the fire exit.
We downed our pints and rushed through to the gig.. we just caught the very end of their last song..
"What did you think of our set?"
"Erm, yeah.. you were brilliant.. :/"
Oops!
Wow! Can't make my mind up if your brave on bonkers! Fantastic insight to, what sounds such a delightful stream 'Cornbrook', but it's so sad it's no such thing!
Thanks for making it and sharing your findings. x
Thanks
Thank you Stuart
At 27.30-36 is a line-up of trams. In 1949 the tram network closed to be superceded by trolley buses and motor buses.
In Middlesbrough I played in a park which used to be a cemetery, they just lined all the head stones along an adjacent wall and built a playground over part of it.
I think to be honest its quite a common practice with these very old cemeteries
Surely Ardwick must be derived from Hardwick. A wich is a market as in Greenwich so possibly a cobbled hard market
Hiya Martin its your number 1 fan Haha. I met you on aldi car park a couple of weeks ago if you remember mate. Love the new video pal keep it up buddy. ( thought I'd of got a mention gutted) its Gary Taylor in case you do. Show us some more on ancoats and miles platting too.
Truly excellent guys. Well done for the underground trip.
Thank you
Hi martin another fantastic vlog. Just one one the TRAMs outside Hyde Rd Depot are Tram not Trolley Buses TBs have 2 poles and are electric buses sorry to pull you on this one
Who is responsible for inspecting and maintaining the culverts?
Beautifully done. I had no idea about Ardwick Cemetery
I'd hazard a guess that all those calcite formations, were caused by all the limestone ballast in the overlaying rail infrastructure.
Would love to see a video or two on the black brook. Parents live near one of the souces of the black brook(different one?) in Reddish. There is a continuously noisy manhole at the far end of Newark road that i suspect is a logical path
Great episode of this series, and so glad there isn't smelly-vision. The traction engine collapsing into the culvert, reminds me of the alleged story of a bin truck collapsing into the Williamson Tunnels, supposedly it was left there and concreted in...
We need to find that bin truck Mike 😄