Very interesting video and I lived next door to Ruth Paine's friend, George de Mohrenschildt, for a period of time and he was quite a brilliant guy, and he told me he was in Haiti (during Papa Doc's regime) the day of the assassination. He actually thought of Lee Oswald as a friend and told me he helped Marina learn English when she and Lee came to Texas from Russia. The last conversation I had with George; he said he was one of the few people still alive (implying others had been killed) who knew about the conspiracy to assassinate the President.
Laura Kittrell of the Texas Employment Commission also phoned her to offer Oswald a much better job at the airport. Ruth Paine made sure he didn't get it.
This was the result of a chance encounter with Leslie Randle who lived two houses down. They regularly met at a neighbors house for coffee. On Oct 14, they met and Paine brought along Marina Oswald. The subject of Oswald looking for work. Leslie Randle chimed in that her brother Wesley Frazier was working at the Texas Book depositary and she thought they were looking for workers during their busy season. After coffee Paine and Marina Oswald went back home and phoned the depositary and secured an interview for Lee Oswald. The rest is history. For the next several weeks Oswald would be riding back and forth with Wesley Frazier between Dallas and his Irving on the weekends, including that fateful morning of the 22nd.
@@ronmac9066 All part of the rigging. Frazier is the guy who had lunch in the basement on Nov. 22 so he could cut the building power between 12:30 and 12:33. That way the three guys framing Oswald on sixth floor could rappel down the elevator shaft to escape. The sister also helped Frazier with the lie about Oswald bringing a rifle in a brown paper package. Frazier's mother said Oswald had none such at the house that morning. When Oswald arrived at TSBD, the guys on the north loading dock saw Oswald had no package. Just a lie Capt. Fritz made Frazier tell, and the sister did back up lying.
Yeah, knew this about the Paines and always found it highly suspicious that their intelligence connections have gotten no serious scrutiny. Subed your channel.
In the year 2000, I worked for a emergency door repair service in Memphis Tenn. I got a call to go to a house in the suburbs of Memphis to fix a broken spring on a garage door. I knocked on the door and a man answered he looked to be in his middle 60's and he was very fit and wore expensive clothes and a gold rolex watch. He lived in a very nice home, he showed me the door and told me to fix it and it didn't matter what it cost. He was one of those guys who would watch everything you did and it always made me nervous when people did that so I would start making small talk while I was working. I asked him what kind of work he did and he said that he was retired, I said where did you retire from? He said, I retired from the FBI, I was the head of the southeastern part of the FBI, or something like that. I said, wow! That's interesting, I never met an FBI agent before, thank you for your service. I always tried to butter people up so they wouldn't freak out over the bill. So we started talking and right before I got through I was going to make a joke, so I said, well, since you worked for the FBI, maybe you can tell me something. He said, what's that? I said, who killed Kennedy? Now, I was just joking and I thought he would say, Oswald killed Kennedy. But, that's not what happened. He said, Johnson and Hoover had Kennedy killed. I was speechless. He wasn't joking around and was dead serious. I was so shocked that I couldn't say anything. So I got through with the door and I gave him the bill. He said, come in my study and I'll cut you a check. I went into his study and his walls were filled with FBI pictures and diplomas and etc etc. There was one picture the him with Lamar Alexander. He handed me the check and I said, sir, I just have to ask you something. He cut me off and said, you don't believe it do you? He knew what I was going to say. I said, well, I have a hard time believing the vice president and the head of the FBI would kill the President. He said, do you have time for a cup of coffee? I said, I'll make time. We went into his breakfast nook and he made us a cup of sanka coffee and spent the next hour telling me about the Kennedy assassination. I won't go into the details because this is already too long and my eyes hurt. I've thought about that man for 24 years but was afraid to tell anyone except for my son and wife.
I would really appreciate more detail . I've been looking into the assassination since the 60th anniversary and Johnson was one of my suspects; he had a few people killed in Texas.. Hoover and the Joint Chiefs are on my list as well . I find this very interesting and would love to hear more of your story . Don't know if you have heard E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession but he names Johnson . ruclips.net/video/nBFIaQzvX7w/видео.html
I can believe Johnson was involved. Especially after camera capture eye wink on Air Force One before or after swearing in of Johnson by guy in his circle!!
@brucew.5177 Of course all of them knew about the decision made by much deeper forces about getting rid of the Kennedies....It's just the tip of the iceberg what 'We The People' can see 👀...
The Stone documentary, JFK Revisited (not the movie, JFK), can answer alot of questions that people have if one if interested in the case. It's also shown periodically on Showtime. The most interesting part ( to me) is when it was found out that Dr. Perry was harassed by the SS to change his story about the neck wound. It WAS an entrance wound. Another interest was that good ol' everybody's " hero" Jim Levealle, was showing up after 8 pm at Victoria Adam's house, to make sure she didnt see anyone on the stairs that wasnt Oswald. Zapruder was the only one on the ground that didnt get his camera taken away by agents. Instead, he was able to sell his 26 seconds to LIFE MAG, who's owner was a fmr CIA agent for $150k. Then in 1999, the Zapruder family, received $16M of taxpayer funds from the govt for the use, or misuse rather, of their father's film. AZ died in 1970 from stomach cancer. It could've been his guilt of participation that ate away at him. Could've been.
Once Oswald was in jail, he phoned Ruth Paine for help getting a lawyer. She just giggled and hung up on him. He called back, but again she giggled and hung up on him. He tried to get to the CIA for help through an old OSS intermediate, John Hurt in North Carolina, but Men in Suits at the jail switchboard Saturday night hijacked the call. They told the jail operators to tell Oswald nobody was answering, when in reality the operators were forced to make no call at all. The Men in Suits knew Oswald would be dead the next morning anyway. Oswald and Roscoe White had trained nearby in Nag's Head NC at the School of Illusionary Warfare. Learning how to be pretend commies, do an operation like a JFK hit, then blame the whole thing on commies. Which is why Oswald was sheep dipped to be a communist then a Castro communist.
3:49 Another way Dulles lied to JFK was that during the 1960 campaign, he convinced JFK there was a big missile gap with the Russians ahead of the United States by hundreds of nuclear ICBMs. Actually it was the other way around.
NO. A. Dulles was CIA director for Eisenhower. JFK had been saying during the run up to the 1960 Pres. campaign that the DDE administration had allowed a "missile gap" with the USSR. JFK sited the numbers from the Gaither Committee report as evidence which used incorrect information from the Air Force etc. But DDE knew these figures were inflated because he had secret (A. Dulles) CIA U-2 spy plane flights that confirmed there was no gap. DDE ordered one more U-2 flight over the USSR to confirm the intelligence info. and it was shot down in the famous "U-2 incident" this caused a canceling of the summit with the USSR that year. This is one reason Eisenhower made the warning speech in 1961.
Glad I found this. Ruth and Michael Paine need more exposure. In this time of outrageous lying by the government we need citizens to do this important work. It is very unnerving to see how awful these people are. 👍👍
So what we are to believe is Oswald an emerging assassin (walker attempt) got a job within 5 weeks in a high rise building, overlooking the POTUS motorcade route, where he would slow to around 8 mph in a perfect position to be shot by a rifle, BY CHANCE? Mrs. PAINE - “And the subject of his looking for work and that he hadn't found work for a week, came up while we were having coffee, the four young mothers at Mrs. Roberts' house, and Mrs. Randle mentioned that her younger brother, Wesley Frazier thought they needed another person at the Texas School Book Depository where Wesley worked.” WC Testimony a lie, she did not. Then she claimed to LMR that Buell was going to ask for her, another lie.The DPD were very rough on Buell Frazier, thats why curry didn’t care what he said regarding the package length. Buell was terrified “hell I could have said it was 10 feet long and that boy would have agreed.” Mrs. RANDLE “Mrs. Paine said that, I had told Wesley that he might--that she said he was going to call over there. In fact, Mrs. Paine asked me if I would call and see if there was a job available and I told her, no, that I didn't know anybody over there, and if she wanted to call over the place she would have to do it because I didn't know if there was any job openings over there. “ WC Testimony. THIS IS THE TRUE SMOKING GUN OF THIS ENTIRE CASE.PEOPLE ASK “WHERE IS THE CRITICAL POINT OF PROOF FOR CONSPIRACY?” HERE IT IS-THE TIP OF THE SPEAR. RUTH PAINE RANG HERSELF, UNSOLICITED FOR THE OSWALDS TO GET LHO AN INTERVIEW FOR A JOB AT THE TSD. SHE THEN TRIED TO COVER IT UP BY MANIPULATING A VULNERABLE AND THOROUGHLY INTIMIDATED (DPD) MRS LINNIE MAE RANDLE AND WAS CAUGHT OUT IN DOING SO.
She was a pal of Allen Dulles. All she had to do was keep acting and she knew she would be safe. Which is why she is still alive in 2024, playing the role that keeps her alive.
I've studied the case. Extensively. Thousands of hours. Ruth Paine had no involvement in this, other than being acquainted with Lee and wanting to help out Marina.
@@BryanM61 Any reasonable person must see that the mathematical probability of a budding assassin like LHO getting a random job in Dallas and then having the president drive by 5 weeks later makes it a virtual mathematical impossibility.Just use your common sense.
Great job talking about Ruth and her curious involvement with the Oswald's. She just so happens to befriend Marina and conveniently found Marina's husband a job in a building that would just so happen to overlook the route of the presidential motorcade. What are odds? She said she befriended Marina so she could help her learn Russian. Ruth already knew the language. And Ruth admitted she didn't like Lee very much. She was mad at Lee for using her typewriter. She was shocked that Lee asked her to contact a lawyer. She felt he should have a lawyer but she was shocked Lee would ask something of her. And they kept finding evidence in the garage and house even after it had been searched. Not the most objective witness.
Nobody anymore believes Oswald was a lone shooter unless they are brain dead. Witnesses saw three different people on the sixth floor, so nobody could have been a lone shooter and besides Oswald was downstairs on second floor having his Coke.
Michael Paine heard over the radio at Bell Helicopter that Oswald had been arrested and the circumstances. He exclaimed, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" Oswald was supposed to take the non-Beckley bus as far as the Gloco gas station in northern Oak Cliff, just south across the river from Dallas. There where Tippit was waiting Oswald would hop out and get his ride to the theater, to meet his CIA escape driver. But on the bus in Dallas Oswald heard talk of blood seen on JFK's head. That wasn't supposed to happen. He got on a taxi and deviated to his Beckley apartment to quickly fetch his gun for insurance and new jacket for disguise, backtrack to the bus stop across the street on Zangs, and get into Tippit's police car-- since both knew what the back-up plan was. Tippit dropped Oswald off near the theater and went to Tenth and Patton, his mistress's house, to get last-minute instructions from Westbrook about going back to the theater to kill Oswald and become the big hero for book and movie deals. At Beckley in front of the rooming house, Tippit had a second "cop" in the front passenger seat as seen by Earlene Roberts. He was wearing a police shirt over civilian clothes, and the extra police shirt was found cast into the back seat after Tippit was shot dead. This third man was likely a "friend" sent to help Tippit, but actually his killer. Planners didn't know ahead of time where Oswald would end up or get into some foul up. All they cared about was sacrificing Tippit near wherever Oswald came to rest. Tippit's whole purpose was to be sacrificed, draw loads of cops peeled off from Dealey Plaza, and then Oswald could be stumbled across nearby on whatever excuse, like an unpaid $1.25 movie ticket for instance. Then Oswald could be finished off as the cop killer with a gun planted on him. With Tippit's killer riding with him, a secret code given over the police radio would be the third man's signal to kill Tippit at whatever point needed, after Tippit had been sent to Oswald's locale no matter where it turned out to be. The racket was keeping its options open since they didn't know if Oswald would actually make it to the theater. As it happened Oswald did get to the theater. Tenth and Patton was close by as designed, so Tippit must have let out his friend the killer near there, parked in place waiting for Westbrook, and had a talk with his friend once he circled around and walked close to the wing window for a friendly chat. Once Westbrook came down the driveway that was the signal for Tippit to get out for last-minute instructions. Tippit always snugged down his hat front and back when he got out of his car, so with his hands and elbows up his friendly killer had clear shots to pump three slugs into his chest. Westbrook then signalled for a coup de grace shot, so that was the end of the kill mission. Then the killer ran off making sure to openly leave evidence behind that no normal murderer would pause to leave for the police-- the empty shell casings.
@@arober2 Thanks to working with Roscoe White at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall CIA front print shop, Oswald had four wallets or more. The one Westbrook and Croy "found" at Tenth and Patton, the one Oswald had on him at the theater, the one at his rooming house, and the one he left at Ruth Paine's with all the money for Marina. Oswald thought it would be a sham JFK assassination like the Walker scam, he would soon be extracted from the theater to CIA hero paradise [since LHO would be the hero who fooled JFK into invading Cuba] and he would forever be a pampered ward of the CIA in Paraguay needing no money at all.
@@arober2It was not Oswald’s wallet, and there was nothing in it linking it to Oswald. As a matter of fact, the cops first thought it might be Tippit’s wallet. Quit spreading the nonsense
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Watch the Dino Brugioni interview on his intimate role in the JFK assassination and than ask yourself if Oswald was involved or the very least was he part of a conspiracy. The interview was around 2010ish. If you haven't sny idea who Mr. Brugioni was, Google his name.
Seen in "Altered History" by Douglas Horne. Oswald was part of the conspiracy, he just thought it would be a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba.
Buell Frazier drove Oswald to work from Irving when he stayed out there. Buell started working there just 2 months before the shooting. Ruth Paine got oswald the job (rang the tsbd HERSELF to get oswald the job) and produced damning evidence after the fact.Paine tried to get buells sister to get Oswald the job but she said no (she didn’t even know him) Mrs Paine is obviously Oswalds senior handler and the key to the entire Oswald setup.
Frazier also had lunch in the basement Nov. 22, the only time. Between 12:30-12:33 he cut the building power and phone lines. That way the three guys framing Oswald on the sixth floor could escape by rappelling down the elevator shaft. Frazier was threatened by Captain Fritz with being prosecuted for JFK's murder, so he cooked up the story about the brown paper package holding the rifle. In reality, Frazier's mother said Oswald had no brown package. Several loading dock witnesses on the north loading dock said Oswald came to work holding nothing in his hands. After the dust settled Frazier was hustled off into the Army to be kept incommunicado.
A handwriting expert (James Cadigan) testified that the english parts of the letter and the numerals were written in Oswald's handwriting. How could Ruth Paine have known the rent on the Neely Street apartment was due on the 2nd of the month?
Simply put, Ruth Paine was Irina Oswald’s handler. Allen Dulles was quite obviously the operational controller for Michael and Ruth Paine. Is there a Lesbian angle? Where do we think Lee and for that matter Irina, got their operating funds? Occam’s Razor says Allen Dulles
Yes I can't remember the details but the F B I did a search of her (Ruth) house and found films (L) and confiscated said films much to Ruth's protest. cant remember if she was subject to films.
I have read that Ruth and her husband worked for the CIA. She was supposed to be the person who suggested that Lee Oswald apply for a job at the Book Depository even though no opening existed. Undoubtably, an asset worked there to make sure Oswald was hired. This put Oswald in a position to be framed.
She is still alive - ss of 10th Dec 2024 - but she is VERY LITIGOUS , enough to frughten Oliver Stone into not naming her , is she CIA? She was deported from Nicaragua in 1980s as she was an Agent of CIA. She could prove everything by admitting she was CIA
2:38 The General Walker letter is baloney no matter whose handwriting it is. The whole purpose of Oswald, or any other witless sap inserted in his role in the script of the melodrama, was to take the blame, be killed off, then end of story. Oswald thought it would be a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Oswald would be a big hero and restore his luster inside the CIA if he were the fake Castroite who sheep-dipped himself, did another sham assassination on JFK after the Walker sham assassination for practice, then he would be a big man. All he had to do with Walker was watch as others shot and missed. Then get away on a city bus. All he had to do with JFK was watch as others shot and missed, then get away on a city bus. In his wallet were two torn halves of different dollar bills. One to recognize his CIA driver at the Texas Theater, the other to recognize his CIA pilot at the Dallas Redbird Airport. This is why inside the theater he kept changing seats. He left almost all his money behind for Marina because he was about to become a lauded ward of the CIA at some Paraguayan hideout. He thought.
YES, LHO had to have a clearance. Lee's assignment in New Orleans? You must read 'Dr. Mary's Monkey' by Ed Haslsm. LHO was tasked with support of the SV40 bio-weapon project under Dr. Alton Oschner and Dr. Mary Sherman. LHO was also likely the bag man. Tasked with delivering the completed bioweapon to Mexico City, where it was to be used against Castro. David Ferry was deeply involved, not only with covert flight ops, but also vivisection of lab rats, which he did in his own apartment. He kept extensive notes on these activities of his. I believe his hair loss may have been due to his handling of irradiated / contaminated rats. Read Haslam's book to learn more...
This was pretty good. I keep asking myself if the U.S.Government will ever come clean with the real details of what happened on 11-22-63. I personally believe they might never do that because the situation is so disgusting....they just can't tell the truth. I never have believed....and never will that LHO was a loan operator.
Ruth Hyde Paine, born in 1932, is not directly descended from any of the Founding Fathers of the United States. However, her former husband, Michael Paine, had notable ancestral connections. Michael's mother, Ruth Forbes Paine, was a descendant of the prominent Forbes and Cabot families of New England. Through this lineage, Michael was related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, the esteemed poet and philosopher. Additionally, a more distant relative on his father's side was Robert Treat Paine, a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Thank you again, Ted. Your passion for this subject is impressive. Have you ever noticed how much Michael Paine looks like Oswald? Remember all those supposed sightings of Oswald at car dealerships, and gun shops and gun ranges? And supposedly Oswald would give his name? I wonder if we could just fit Michael Paine in those scenarios and come away with the same results?
@@raucousrowdy6540 Anderson is a great JFK researcher, and I think he is spot on about Oswald doubles, but I am just not buying that Oswald had a brother named Harvey.
@@Orangesjesus Oswald took a car for a drive, ( he doesn't drive) and then went on yelling about how much better the cars were in Russia. He was trying to be noticed. He went to the shooting range and started firing at someone else's target. In both cases, he was instigating conflicts and he made sure that he gave his name. His behavior was similar to the fake Oswald in Mexico City. Where a guy who was nearly 20 years older than Oswald applied for a Visa at the Russian Embassy but he had Oswald's I.D. FBI had 20 photos of the guy coming and going from the Russian Embassy, and Hoover admitted that not one of the photos were Oswald. Not even the voice recording.
The majority of conspiracy theorists focus on the blatantly obvious questions, the magic bullet, the grassy knoll, autopsy photos, Jack Ruby………..etc, etc, etc. The nitty gritty details, the details that are lurking in the shadows that most people aren’t aware of, it’s these details that are most telling.
I dispute the idea that Lee Oswald was a defector when he went to the Soviet Union. He was, for one thing, not under military authority when he went there. For another thing, it was not illegal for him to live and work in the Soviet Union. The Soviets originally considered the possibility that he was a Western agent but they eventually concluded that he was a mentally unstable adventurer and they made no attempt to utilize him for intelligence purposes. Their motive for allowing him to stay there was in part humanitarian, as hard as that it to believe. They may have felt also that, as insignificant as he was, he might do something in America that could have an impact on the Cold War situation. Who knows, maybe through back channels, the United States government told the Soviets that they would prefer it if the Soviets kept Oswald. In the Soviet Union, he had no opportunity to stir up trouble as an activist.
@@anonymike8280 The Soviet "motivation" was assigning Maria to spy on him. Her uncle was a KGB Colonel. Just another coincidence to a coincidence theorist?
This is just a idea but some non legacy media person might want to do a book or documentary on Ruth Paine and her husband . When I say non legacy media person I of coarse mean someone with balls. What do you and the people who follow you think about this idea ?
A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course, That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed. Go right to the source and ask the horse, He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse, He's always on a steady course, Talk to Mr. Ed. People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day. But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say. A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse. You never heard of a talking horse? “I am Mr. Ed.”
There is a book about Mrs. Paine To read it, I'd be insane It was written by a nut Who's nose was up her butt. He only wrote it for financial gain. So, you see my dear, What they want you to hear, Is the baloney.... from Mrs. Paine.
Ted, and followers of this " podcast " or video series I would encourage you to look at a music video from the 1990's from a great independent unknown band called XTC and a video they did titled the ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead. After we can hopefully have a good discussion
True. She just didn't realize it was part of the sheep-dipping set up. It was also to make Gen. Walker look like a pal of JFK when the opposite was true. They hated one another, and RFK once had Walker locked up in a federal nut house. Walker probably supplied some of the snipers from his Army group, so if he looked like a target of Oswald he couldn't possibly have anything to do with the shooting of JFK, right? On Nov. 22 he spent big bucks and took a plane all the way to Shreveport. So he could pester the stewardess to initial or sign his ticket. See? See? Lookie here!!! I didn't have anything to do with the JFK assassination and I just happen to have some idiot level manufactured alibi evidence! See what a good boy I am!!! D.H. Byrd, owner of the book depository, made sure to spend all of November on an African big game hunt. First time in his life. So he couldn't possibly have anything to do with the JFK assassination either, Right? Right?
hey ted, as always great work. something to consider when it comes to declassification of any documents the main excuse for not deckassifying is always "sources and methods" i believe once either or both judith vary baker and ruth payne die there will no longer be any sources living and everything will come out (heres hoping anyway)
No, the CIA will continue to protect its past sources so current ones will have confidence. They also will want to conceal methods like shooting out of storm drains or recruiting people to be heroes and then killing them off once they have been used. Judyth Vary Baker was a con artist like Jim Files. She claimed after Nov. 22 she and Lee would have this ultra-romantic getaway to some luxury hotel at Cozumel. Problem is there were no hotels there until 1970. Files claims he shot alone from the fence, but Zapruder and Moorman and Lee Bowers all independently prove there were two guys at the fence. As distraction artists distracting from the real shooting at the northern grassy knoll.
@@jackieow at the FBI lab they knew it was't the murder weapon . I think I told you this before . The 4 FBI guys even went to Sanger-Harris gunshop and the owner claimed up ,all he kept repeating " In Texas the is no paper work on a long gun " what they asked him was how many did he sell Warren Caster ? Ronald was thinking of buying one for himself they had them in a garbage can by the front door with a sign 25$ . He said that the gun shop had a small machine shop there and probable could build suppressors and thread the ends of the rifles . I don't think that their report is in the files , Hoover probable burned them . Ronald was pissed about the W.R. even lying what his last name was and it was not Simms.... Believe me Robert Frazier knew who did it . I am not saying he knew them but he knew who they were .Unless Fazier attended JBS meetings in Dallas
Looking in from Ireland, 🇮🇪 why would Michael Paine even say something like that on a telephone call? There was no need because they both would have known in advance.
Great vid and staight to the point so thanks for that.. I think that Mrs Paine is one of the few reasons left for holding back files, Mrs Paine may very well have had no knowledge of the events that were to unfold and maybe she thought she was working for the better of her country therefore maybe it wouldn’t be fair to expose her… and surely there’s not that much time left!!
Love your videos Ted. Keep them coming. It occurred to me that someone should do a comedy of the JFK murder because 60+ years of research has shown just how absurd the whole lone nut story is. Every aspect is a joke. Maybe humor would be more effective in communicating to new generations. Thanks again for all of your "What are the Odds" videos and other content.
A kind, caring lady is much maligned. She looket after Oswald's wife and kids. She was helpful enough to get Oswald a job at the TSBD. She was helpful to the Police as she found incriminating information that they had missed when they searched her house. She was even more helpful in handing over a letter Oswald was writing to the Soviet Embassy. What more could she have done?
For some reason I cut the cable cord and have given up on the legacy media, I guess I'm a slow learner , I don't think there is any great plot about, I just think that much of the " legacy " media is afraid of not going along with the program and being out of a job. I'm curious as to what other people have to say. I'm OK with a respectful debate !
If they kill off a key assassin or helper, that discourages similar people from filling similar roles. Plenty of insiders know all about Ruth Paine, and if she were eliminated they would have to disappear in panic before they were silenced also. Ruth Paine living to a ripe old age advertises "play along with us and you will profit from it."
Hey Ted you got a public email address or some form of DM? There's a different angle of Ruby shooting Oswald saw in an A&E documentary that seems to have been scrubbed from the internet and wondered if you've ever seen it. I have questions about that, and I'll explain why it's relevant. The way it all went down, that particular camera was further back (probably from across the street) where you saw much more of the whole gathering. Never sat right with me how orchestrated it looks
People make money off of nutty stories. It was Jack Ruby who shot Oswald because his friends at the Texas Theater didn't pull it off. They failed because Oswald didn't panic and run out into the back alley where cops with drawn guns were waiting for him.
@jackieow we know what happened at the jail. What I'm saying is this panned back shot, you got a bigger picture. Some folks reacted like it was fully expected, then the ambulance pulls up way too fast with almost no surprise reaction from the EMT's like it was all setup, waiting for Jack Ruby to shoot Oswald. THAT has never sat right with me. They knew they couldn't let Oswald leave alive
One researcher has claimed that LHO and Ruth worked on a mission together at the Ft Worth Air Base prior to his defection..... don't know if true but interesting.. Yes.. if you need evidence .. Ruth will find it in the garage ...just give her a few days.
If the Walker note was indeed faked, the forger had to have access to Lee's Russian letters, The Walker note makes exactly the same Russian grammatical mistakes as his letters, with a few small exceptions. I doubt just listening to him would do it since she appears to have no ear for the Russian language and would not pick up on the sheer outrageousness of Lee declensionless nouns. Ruth could have probably faked it better if she had studied Bulgarian instead of Russian, Lee's Russian is so hopelessly ungrammatical.
Lets for arguments sake assume he did take a shot at walker. This is where it all comes undone. On one hand they are presenting this like a totally innocent coincidence where they get him the job by chance and good intent but on the other is the walker evidence being revealed after the fact showing him to be an aspiring assassin all along. So which one is it? You can’t have both.the odds are just OTT ridiculous.did not happen by chance.sorry.Its obviosly paine
Oswald stood by by while another guy shot at Walker and missed on purpose. The other guy was a lookout to protect the hind side of the shooter. The purpose was to train Oswald how easy sham assassinations are. Because they told Oswald JFK would be a sham assassination, just to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Then, if sheep dipped as a Castro sympathizer, Oswald would be a big hero inside the CIA and have a life of luxury retirement. Or so Oswald believed.
Lee Harvey Oswald could very easily be mistaken for Michael Paine, and vice versa. A fleeting glance of him running away from a scene or through a 6th floor window from a distance and the 2 would be pretty much identical.
Except Marrion Baker and Roy Truly stopped him dead still and got a good face-on look at Oswald for several seconds. Michael Paine is known to have been at Bell Helicopter.
@jackieow But neither Baker nor Truly saw the man fleeing the Tippit scene or the man in the 6th floor window. In fact, Truly and Baker pretty much give Oswald an alibi.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Baker and Truly were at the TSBD, not Tenth and Patton. They are of no relevance to the Tippit scene. They also have no relevance to the sixth floor window since they were dealing with Oswald at second floor TSBD. The purpose of Truly's acting job WAS EXACTLY to give Oswald an alibi. Temporarily. Baker was just the cop who happened by, then was led around by Truly as if he were a barnyard animal. What was actually going on was Truly was a CIA operative and not even on the TSBD payroll, even though they cooperated with the CIA and allowed him to be called a manager. The whole deal with Oswald was the CIA wanted him to flee the building like John Wilkes Booth fleeing the Lincoln assassination, which ultimately makes Oswald look guilty. Then the CIA wanted Oswald to be shot down in a theater alley like John Dillinger. Look up John Dillinger if this is new to you. So to make Oswald look like a guilty fleeing felon, they first had to make him look innocent so he could flee. So CIA operative Roy Truly, like others there [since building owner Byrd was a CIA cooperator], stationed himself just outside the TSBD southeast entrance. He knew that's where cops would be rushing once shots were heard in the area. Per plan he intercepted the first hero cop to arrive, who happened to be Marrion Baker. Truly generously offered to help and ran interference for Oswald. This showed Oswald that his good buddies in the CIA were looking out for him, and he Oswald could confidently do the next step which was take the bus to the Texas Theater pickup [Tippit at the Gloco gas station], where from there to the theater his CIA ride would be waiting to be his next helpful customized servant. That's why Oswald had torn halves of different dollar bills in his pocket-- to recognize CIA contacts like driver and airplane pilot. Also to reassure Oswald, [this is the Hungarian doppelganger Oswald, the one who worked at TSBD and later was fed to Jack Ruby], they had the real American Oswald run down the TSBD hill, hop into a waiting station wagon, and take off west on Elm then north on Stemmons. This was the escape seen by Roger Craig and others. The purpose was so everybody would think Oswald had escaped down the hill then west on Elm then north to Irving, so people would look for him at Ruth Paine's. With this show staged for Hungarian Oswald, he was confident not only that Roy Truly was guaranteeing him a successful escape, holy moly the big CIA organization was showing everybody to chase him up in Irving. Hungarian Oswald thought he had two proofs his friends were giving him the red carpet treatment. All staged for the patsy. So, he headed for the city bus east of TSBD, to get to Tippit at the Gloco station so Tippit could give him the royal ride treatment to the Texas Theater. He thought. On the bus, Oswald heard JFK had blood on his head, and this was supposed to be a sham assassination only to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Oswald thought. That's why he posed as a Castro sympathizer, to be the hero inside the CIA that fooled JFK into attacking Cuba. With blood on JFK, Oswald deviated by taxi to his rooming house to get a revolver for insurance and a new jacket for disguise. Out of the rooming house he crossed Zangs to the bus stop and got aboard with Tippit, as the back-up plan. Tippit dumped him near the theater, then went to Tenth and Patton so Westbrook could give him the latest about going back to the theater so he could blow away Oswald and become the national hero with book and movie deals. He thought. Tippit's real main purpose was to be sacrificed so there would be an excuse to peel cops from Dealey Plaza and send them to Oak Cliff. Then a big deal movie ticket issue would get them to the theater, enraged cops would kill the cop killer when spooked into the back alley, and all the blame would go to a dead Oswald. But Oswald didn't spook out of the theater to be shot down like John Dillinger, so Jack Ruby had to take care of that fly in the ointment on Sunday morning. Once Oswald was on his way to the theater, Roy Truly pulled the betrayal switcheroo. First he had already announced to Marrion Baker that Oswald had to be innocent and let him go, since he's an employee. Once Oswald had fled a goodly distance, Roy Truly announced Oswald was missing from work after the lunch break, so he must be guilty after all. We know that was a bogus dirty scam to frame Oswald, because two dozen other people didn't come back from work either but Roy Truly didn't announce them as absent. Oswald was the only one that the CIA was setting up to be framed.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Neither Baker nor Truly was at the Tippit scene, so of course they have no relevance to that. They weren't looking at anybody in the sixth floor window so again have no relevance to that topic. Baker was there by chance, but Truly's job was EXACTLY to give Oswald an alibi. Roy Truly was CIA and not a TSBD employee. He gave Oswald an alibi on purpose, so Oswald could get away to ultimately look guilty like John Wilkes Booth by fleeing the scene of the crime. Then they planned to spook him from the theater into the back alley and shoot him down like John Dillinger. But for once Oswald didn't play along. Once Oswald was well away from the TSBD, Roy Truly did his sell-out trick and announced Oswald wasn't back from lunch, ergo was now a suspect. Notice Roy Truly didn't disclose two dozen other people weren't back from lunch either. But only Oswald was mentioned because only Oswald was the guy the CIA wanted to frame.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Truly was there to make sure Oswald escaped the building, to look guilty by fleeing like John Wilkes Booth. Later, he stabbed Oswald in the back, claiming since he wasn't back from work after lunch he must be guilty. He omitted to disclose a couple dozen other people hadn't come back to TSBD either. Roy Truly was a CIA employee, not on the TSBD payroll. They wanted to set up Oswald, not the other two dozen TSBD employees.
Like many here I've read extensively on the assassination and used to be firmly in the conspiracy camp. Now I'm not. it seems to me that theorists are really good at picking holes and finding connections not discussed in the official version but really bad at applying the same critical faculties to their own theories.
FBI's James Hosty's surveillance of Oswald is no big deal. All defectors or even visitors to Russia were under surveillance once they were back in the US. Nothing peculiar to Oswald. Oswald was a nut who were desperate for fame and a name for himself in history, who failed in all his attempts for his marxist cause (had been rejected visas by Cuba and Russia, even by the US Communist Party and even by his wife), had a propensity for violent action for his cause (was his targeting General Walker was a conspiracy?, I do not think so), was angry for JFK's constant incitement the anti-Castro Cubans for violent action against Cuba promising his support to topple Castro until the very final days of the assassination (it's not only the Bay of Pigs invasion years back and that CIA tricked JFK into it, JFK had himself been supporting and inciting aggression against Cuba all his presidency, it is also a myth that he was going to withdraw troops from Vietnam, he was not the hero as he has been undeservedly portrayed to be for decades), it makes perfect sense that Oswald wanted, planned and executed the assassination all by himself.
It's no big deal that Ruth Paine showed Marina a big interest. Ruth definitely did not know Russian "very very well". Nobody needed that well of a Russian to teach that on payment at the time. Because there weren't many people around who even knew working Russian and was able to teach. Ruth was exploring all opportunities to practice especially her spoken Russian. Because spoken practice is usually missing if you do not live in the country of your target language. Plus, Ruth was a Quaker who always had had a repuation of being going out of her way to help people. It's beyond normal that such a person wanted to help a migrant, lonely woman with a 1 year old kid and another one to be soon born and who is mistreated by his husband. And Ruth Paine has been talking for 60 years. It is weird that people claim most people who had even the smallest kind of info for an alleged conspiracy were murdered one by one long ago (those deaths were all because of old age or illness), but Ruth, whose the main beloved character of the conspiracy theorists has not only been allowed to live so far to old age, but allowed to speak for 60 years and her "handlers" have not been worried that she would ever slip unlike the poor other people who knew something, even much less trivial things and were murdered long ago.
No, the Babushka Lady was a CIA operative about 25 years older (see her walking across Elm St. after the shooting). She was there to back up Zapruder in case him camera failed. Her film went to the sniper assassination training school for the Green Berets at Ft. Bragg NC. There it was seen by Dan Marvin and his training class. The instructor said, "This is an excellent example of how to conduct and urban sniper assassination." Later the CIA at Ft. Bragg solicited Dan Marvin to murder Lt. Cmdr. William Bruce Pitzer at Bethesda Navy Hospital, because he had an intact video of the JFK autopsy which couldn't see the light of day. Notice that unlike Zapruder, Babushka Lady didn't step forward for the big fame and big money. She was prepaid by the CIA.
The Babuska Lady was shorter and heavier than tall, skinny Paine. I seriously doubt it was Oliver. Some say it was Mrs. Zapruder. Maybe she was checking up on Abe and Marilyn hugged up on that pedastal because of his " vertigo".
Never heard of that island you mentioned, how is it spelt? Otherwise this tells us little, we know the Paines were connected to it all but what was their role exactly.? There is nothing odd about ruth Paine wanting to keep up her russian with marina, there is no substitute for talking with a native speaker.
Stop trying to rewrite history. Oswald took a shot at Walker as established by Marina Oswald. What is this push to prove Oswald's innocence. What isn't speculation is that he returned to Paynes house the Thursday before the assassination left his wedding ring,money. Went to work with a package saying there were curtain rods in it. No curtain rods were ever recovered by law enforcement at the book depository. The package was recovered near the rifle. He fled the depository went to his rooming house where he recovered a 38 caliber revolver which he was arrested with and tried to use it again on arresting officers. He lied when he said he was refused representation. He continually requests John Abt an ACLU lawyer whom was never retained. His own brother was convinced if his guilt. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. The FBI ,CIA both in attempting to cover themselves from the embarrassment of having previous knowledge of Oswald. Not to mention trying to prevent WW III. Was theta conspiracy,maybe but no concrete evidence has been found yet,61 years later. You do an injustice every time one of these theories pops up. Use common sense, don't get carried off by these particulars that end up going nowhere. Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. There hasn't been any evidence to show me otherwise.
Oswald was no where near Gen. Walker's house. There were witnesses on consecutive nights who saw two men (neither Oswald) looking into Walker's windows... So ridiculous that anyone could seriously believe the lone nut theory of the JFK Assassination. Actually embarrassing for you.
61 yrs later, people still believe the ridiculous idea that Oswald did it! Hell, everybody in Dallas knew it was the mayor's minions. He was pissed off bcuz his brother, CIA no.2 man, was fired by JFK,
@uncletony6210 He latched onto Marguerite Oswald from the start hoping to cash in on her insistence that her son was innocent. She also lied saying she had proof of such in order to gain attention. When pressed on her 'proof' she admitted she had none. Lane's 'career' led him to Europe where he continued to generate misinformation about the assassination.
@uncletony6210 Lane lost much credibility when he so eagerly leaned on info he gleaned from a Houston Post reporter (who also got the info second hand) that Oswald was an FBI informant.
@@Mike-h5d4z a "trumper"?? where in the h did you pull that out of? but seriously, if you're one of the last standing lone-nut theorists, it is you that is the nut...and soon to be "lone nut." Oh, the irony :D
Oswald definitely did not work for Guy Banister. And the two definitely never even met. The only "connection" is, while looking for a place to rent, Oswald also came across and considered the building where Banister had an office, yet they never met. Then, the conpiracy community made a tale out of it. And Oswald also had never seen David Ferrie for 10 years after their time in the Marines.
Not so. Ferrie, Banister, and Oswald did know each other. They operated out of the same building. That building was on a corner. 544 Camp st and the other address I don't remember. Bannister told a visiting associate who was perplexed that Oswald was preparing his fair play for Cuba leaflets next door to banisters gun running to Cuba operation. Banisters words regarding Oswald were " he's one of us." As far as Oswald's innocence goes. How could he be? Last I heard, participating in a plan to toss lead at our president, is an idiots folly. Just because he didn't shoot Anybody, but got stuck holding the bag, and ate a bullet for good measure. Kid was 24 and gullible as hell. Play with fire you get the results
lol.... the letter, so many suspect identifiers. Insulting to the community! First, LHO had much better penmanship. You'd be better off using a typewriter, Ruth. Oh wait,,,? The Vetting Department must have called out sick that day. Poor asset. 🅁🄴🅅🄾🄺🄴🄳
Very interesting video and I lived next door to Ruth Paine's friend, George de Mohrenschildt, for a period of time and he was quite a brilliant guy, and he told me he was in Haiti (during Papa Doc's regime) the day of the assassination. He actually thought of Lee Oswald as a friend and told me he helped Marina learn English when she and Lee came to Texas from Russia. The last conversation I had with George; he said he was one of the few people still alive (implying others had been killed) who knew about the conspiracy to assassinate the President.
really? what was your address then?
Wow! And he died almost 50 years ago.
I believe, George de Mohrenschildt, is the key to the entire conspiracy. Unfortunately, he conveniently "committed" suicide before he could testify.
@@guygil Some people who were alive 50 years ago are still alive. You might get to try it yourself someday.
What conspiracy?
She had a garage sale for the Warren Commission. What a piece of work she is!
Garage sale....That's a good one..😅
Apparently, it was also Ruth Paine who pointed out the very 'conveinient' job 'vacancy' going at the Texas S.B.D to L.H.Oswald. What a 'coincidence'.
no-she rang to book the interview HERSELF.then tried to blame linnie may randle who oenly said that was a lie.read the WR.
Laura Kittrell of the Texas Employment Commission also phoned her to offer Oswald a much better job at the airport. Ruth Paine made sure he didn't get it.
This was the result of a chance encounter with Leslie Randle who lived two houses down. They regularly met at a neighbors house for coffee. On Oct 14, they met and Paine brought along Marina Oswald. The subject of Oswald looking for work. Leslie Randle chimed in that her brother Wesley Frazier was working at the Texas Book depositary and she thought they were looking for workers during their busy season. After coffee Paine and Marina Oswald went back home and phoned the depositary and secured an interview for Lee Oswald. The rest is history. For the next several weeks Oswald would be riding back and forth with Wesley Frazier between Dallas and his Irving on the weekends, including that fateful morning of the 22nd.
@@ronmac9066 All part of the rigging. Frazier is the guy who had lunch in the basement on Nov. 22 so he could cut the building power between 12:30 and 12:33. That way the three guys framing Oswald on sixth floor could rappel down the elevator shaft to escape. The sister also helped Frazier with the lie about Oswald bringing a rifle in a brown paper package. Frazier's mother said Oswald had none such at the house that morning. When Oswald arrived at TSBD, the guys on the north loading dock saw Oswald had no package. Just a lie Capt. Fritz made Frazier tell, and the sister did back up lying.
@ okaaaaaay
Yeah, knew this about the Paines and always found it highly suspicious that their intelligence connections have gotten no serious scrutiny.
Subed your channel.
In the year 2000, I worked for a emergency door repair service in Memphis Tenn. I got a call to go to a house in the suburbs of Memphis to fix a broken spring on a garage door. I knocked on the door and a man answered he looked to be in his middle 60's and he was very fit and wore expensive clothes and a gold rolex watch. He lived in a very nice home, he showed me the door and told me to fix it and it didn't matter what it cost.
He was one of those guys who would watch everything you did and it always made me nervous when people did that so I would start making small talk while I was working. I asked him what kind of work he did and he said that he was retired, I said where did you retire from? He said, I retired from the FBI, I was the head of the southeastern part of the FBI, or something like that.
I said, wow! That's interesting, I never met an FBI agent before, thank you for your service. I always tried to butter people up so they wouldn't freak out over the bill. So we started talking and right before I got through I was going to make a joke, so I said, well, since you worked for the FBI, maybe you can tell me something.
He said, what's that? I said, who killed Kennedy? Now, I was just joking and I thought he would say, Oswald killed Kennedy. But, that's not what happened. He said, Johnson and Hoover had Kennedy killed.
I was speechless. He wasn't joking around and was dead serious. I was so shocked that I couldn't say anything. So I got through with the door and I gave him the bill. He said, come in my study and I'll cut you a check. I went into his study and his walls were filled with FBI pictures and diplomas and etc etc. There was one picture the him with Lamar Alexander.
He handed me the check and I said, sir, I just have to ask you something. He cut me off and said, you don't believe it do you? He knew what I was going to say.
I said, well, I have a hard time believing the vice president and the head of the FBI would kill the President. He said, do you have time for a cup of coffee? I said, I'll make time. We went into his breakfast nook and he made us a cup of sanka coffee and spent the next hour telling me about the Kennedy assassination. I won't go into the details because this is already too long and my eyes hurt. I've thought about that man for 24 years but was afraid to tell anyone except for my son and wife.
I would really appreciate more detail . I've been looking into the assassination since the 60th anniversary and Johnson was one of my suspects; he had a few people killed in Texas.. Hoover and the Joint Chiefs are on my list as well . I find this very interesting and would love to hear more of your story . Don't know if you have heard E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession but he names Johnson . ruclips.net/video/nBFIaQzvX7w/видео.html
You need to speak up. This is historically important information.
I can believe Johnson was involved. Especially after camera capture eye wink on Air Force One before or after swearing in of Johnson by guy in his circle!!
@brucew.5177
Of course all of them knew about the decision made by much deeper forces about getting rid of the Kennedies....It's just the tip of the iceberg what 'We The People' can see 👀...
The Stone documentary, JFK Revisited (not the movie, JFK), can answer alot of questions that people have if one if interested in the case. It's also shown periodically on Showtime. The most interesting part ( to me) is when it was found out that Dr. Perry was harassed by the SS to change his story about the neck wound. It WAS an entrance wound. Another interest was that good ol' everybody's " hero" Jim Levealle, was showing up after 8 pm at Victoria Adam's house, to make sure she didnt see anyone on the stairs that wasnt Oswald. Zapruder was the only one on the ground that didnt get his camera taken away by agents. Instead, he was able to sell his 26 seconds to LIFE MAG, who's owner was a fmr CIA agent for $150k. Then in 1999, the Zapruder family, received $16M of taxpayer funds from the govt for the use, or misuse rather, of their father's film. AZ died in 1970 from stomach cancer. It could've been his guilt of participation that ate away at him. Could've been.
Once Oswald was in jail, he phoned Ruth Paine for help getting a lawyer. She just giggled and hung up on him. He called back, but again she giggled and hung up on him. He tried to get to the CIA for help through an old OSS intermediate, John Hurt in North Carolina, but Men in Suits at the jail switchboard Saturday night hijacked the call. They told the jail operators to tell Oswald nobody was answering, when in reality the operators were forced to make no call at all. The Men in Suits knew Oswald would be dead the next morning anyway. Oswald and Roscoe White had trained nearby in Nag's Head NC at the School of Illusionary Warfare. Learning how to be pretend commies, do an operation like a JFK hit, then blame the whole thing on commies. Which is why Oswald was sheep dipped to be a communist then a Castro communist.
No truth to that at all
@@centralfloridagmrs That's what CIA cover-ups want people to believe. Nice try.
See "Oswald's Last Phone Call" by Grover Proctor.
@@jackieow He never said Ruth Paine "giggled and hung up" You just made that up.
@@squatch545 You were with Oswald non-stop in his jail cell over the weekend?
3:49 Another way Dulles lied to JFK was that during the 1960 campaign, he convinced JFK there was a big missile gap with the Russians ahead of the United States by hundreds of nuclear ICBMs. Actually it was the other way around.
NO. A. Dulles was CIA director for Eisenhower. JFK had been saying during the run up to the 1960 Pres. campaign that the DDE administration had allowed a "missile gap" with the USSR. JFK sited the numbers from the Gaither Committee report as evidence which used incorrect information from the Air Force etc. But DDE knew these figures were inflated because he had secret (A. Dulles) CIA U-2 spy plane flights that confirmed there was no gap. DDE ordered one more U-2 flight over the USSR to confirm the intelligence info. and it was shot down in the famous "U-2 incident" this caused a canceling of the summit with the USSR that year. This is one reason Eisenhower made the warning speech in 1961.
Glad I found this. Ruth and Michael Paine need more exposure. In this time of outrageous lying by the government we need citizens to do this important work. It is very unnerving to see how awful these people are. 👍👍
@@bsure4 I'm learning who you youtube censors are
So what we are to believe is Oswald an emerging assassin (walker attempt) got a job within 5 weeks in a high rise building, overlooking the POTUS motorcade route, where he would slow to around 8 mph in a perfect position to be shot by a rifle, BY CHANCE?
Mrs. PAINE - “And the subject of his looking for work and that he hadn't found work for a week, came up while we were having coffee, the four young mothers at Mrs. Roberts' house, and Mrs. Randle mentioned that her younger brother, Wesley Frazier thought they needed another person at the Texas School Book Depository where Wesley worked.” WC Testimony
a lie, she did not. Then she claimed to LMR that Buell was going to ask for her, another lie.The DPD were very rough on Buell Frazier, thats why curry didn’t care what he said regarding the package length. Buell was terrified “hell I could have said it was 10 feet long and that boy would have agreed.”
Mrs. RANDLE “Mrs. Paine said that, I had told Wesley that he might--that she said he was going to call over there. In fact, Mrs. Paine asked me if I would call and see if there was a job available and I told her, no, that I didn't know anybody over there, and if she wanted to call over the place she would have to do it because I didn't know if there was any job openings over there. “ WC Testimony.
THIS IS THE TRUE SMOKING GUN OF THIS ENTIRE CASE.PEOPLE ASK “WHERE IS THE CRITICAL POINT OF PROOF FOR CONSPIRACY?”
HERE IT IS-THE TIP OF THE SPEAR.
RUTH PAINE RANG HERSELF, UNSOLICITED FOR THE OSWALDS TO GET LHO AN INTERVIEW FOR A JOB AT THE TSD.
SHE THEN TRIED TO COVER IT UP BY MANIPULATING A VULNERABLE AND THOROUGHLY INTIMIDATED (DPD) MRS LINNIE MAE RANDLE AND WAS CAUGHT OUT IN DOING SO.
Ruth managed to stay in the "public eye" and "high profile" just enough to keep her alive.
She was a pal of Allen Dulles. All she had to do was keep acting and she knew she would be safe. Which is why she is still alive in 2024, playing the role that keeps her alive.
Anyone who has studied the case isn’t buying Ruth’s story
Haha, that's right, but it's still for sale after 61 yrs!!
@ truth
I studied the case and have come to the conclusion that you are full of shit.
I've studied the case. Extensively. Thousands of hours. Ruth Paine had no involvement in this, other than being acquainted with Lee and wanting to help out Marina.
@@BryanM61 Any reasonable person must see that the mathematical probability of a budding assassin like LHO getting a random job in Dallas and then having the president drive by 5 weeks later makes it a virtual mathematical impossibility.Just use your common sense.
Ive always thought Paine to be one of the shadiest figures in the assassination
Her and her husband Michael.
Great to see you back Ted.
Great job talking about Ruth and her curious involvement with the Oswald's. She just so happens to befriend Marina and conveniently found Marina's husband a job in a building that would just so happen to overlook the route of the presidential motorcade. What are odds? She said she befriended Marina so she could help her learn Russian. Ruth already knew the language. And Ruth admitted she didn't like Lee very much. She was mad at Lee for using her typewriter. She was shocked that Lee asked her to contact a lawyer. She felt he should have a lawyer but she was shocked Lee would ask something of her. And they kept finding evidence in the garage and house even after it had been searched. Not the most objective witness.
She was either CIA or the world's worst busy body sticking her nose in this case for the last 60 + years.
She gets paid, and the museum appointed her a " handler". Frazier buckled to them, too.
Ruth Paine played the neighbor on Bewitched
For 60 some years.
Mrs Kravitz!
@@mrliberty8468 You’re all nuts do you know that? Nuts.
Yes very interesting. I knew about Ruth Paine, so it's good to hear more.
So much evidence but still some believe that Oswald was the lone shooter.
I no they are head cretins
Nobody anymore believes Oswald was a lone shooter unless they are brain dead. Witnesses saw three different people on the sixth floor, so nobody could have been a lone shooter and besides Oswald was downstairs on second floor having his Coke.
More great info...I watch every video. Thanks for all of your time and research!!!
Michael Paine heard over the radio at Bell Helicopter that Oswald had been arrested and the circumstances. He exclaimed, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" Oswald was supposed to take the non-Beckley bus as far as the Gloco gas station in northern Oak Cliff, just south across the river from Dallas. There where Tippit was waiting Oswald would hop out and get his ride to the theater, to meet his CIA escape driver. But on the bus in Dallas Oswald heard talk of blood seen on JFK's head. That wasn't supposed to happen. He got on a taxi and deviated to his Beckley apartment to quickly fetch his gun for insurance and new jacket for disguise, backtrack to the bus stop across the street on Zangs, and get into Tippit's police car-- since both knew what the back-up plan was. Tippit dropped Oswald off near the theater and went to Tenth and Patton, his mistress's house, to get last-minute instructions from Westbrook about going back to the theater to kill Oswald and become the big hero for book and movie deals.
At Beckley in front of the rooming house, Tippit had a second "cop" in the front passenger seat as seen by Earlene Roberts. He was wearing a police shirt over civilian clothes, and the extra police shirt was found cast into the back seat after Tippit was shot dead. This third man was likely a "friend" sent to help Tippit, but actually his killer. Planners didn't know ahead of time where Oswald would end up or get into some foul up. All they cared about was sacrificing Tippit near wherever Oswald came to rest. Tippit's whole purpose was to be sacrificed, draw loads of cops peeled off from Dealey Plaza, and then Oswald could be stumbled across nearby on whatever excuse, like an unpaid $1.25 movie ticket for instance. Then Oswald could be finished off as the cop killer with a gun planted on him. With Tippit's killer riding with him, a secret code given over the police radio would be the third man's signal to kill Tippit at whatever point needed, after Tippit had been sent to Oswald's locale no matter where it turned out to be. The racket was keeping its options open since they didn't know if Oswald would actually make it to the theater.
As it happened Oswald did get to the theater. Tenth and Patton was close by as designed, so Tippit must have let out his friend the killer near there, parked in place waiting for Westbrook, and had a talk with his friend once he circled around and walked close to the wing window for a friendly chat. Once Westbrook came down the driveway that was the signal for Tippit to get out for last-minute instructions. Tippit always snugged down his hat front and back when he got out of his car, so with his hands and elbows up his friendly killer had clear shots to pump three slugs into his chest. Westbrook then signalled for a coup de grace shot, so that was the end of the kill mission. Then the killer ran off making sure to openly leave evidence behind that no normal murderer would pause to leave for the police-- the empty shell casings.
And Oswald’s wallet found at the scene, or should I say Alex Hidell’s lol.
@@arober2 Thanks to working with Roscoe
White at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall CIA front print shop, Oswald had four wallets or more. The one Westbrook and Croy "found" at Tenth and Patton, the one Oswald had on him at the theater, the one at his rooming house, and the one he left at Ruth Paine's with all the money for Marina. Oswald thought it would be a sham JFK assassination like the Walker scam, he would soon be extracted from the theater to CIA hero paradise [since LHO would be the hero who fooled JFK into invading Cuba] and he would forever be a pampered ward of the CIA in Paraguay needing no money at all.
@@arober2It was not Oswald’s wallet, and there was nothing in it linking it to Oswald. As a matter of fact, the cops first thought it might be Tippit’s wallet.
Quit spreading the nonsense
@ not true
And you know all this how?
The Vince Salandria interviews are very incisive regards the Paynes complicity in CIA activities
What about the Israeli/JFK connection? I think Israel had the most important motives.
The oil men, CIA, LBJ, the mob, the Fed, Israel and the Joint Chiefs all had a bit of the action.
Hi from UK, as a 65 year old I have always been interested in this topic. I think she was on the pay roll for def😊 good video
Excellent research.
Love your in-depth digging into the JFK assassination
Watch JFK REVISITED documentary. Its on Showtime periodically, and on dvd. Its fascinating.
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Watch the Dino Brugioni interview on his intimate role in the JFK assassination and than ask yourself if Oswald was involved or the very least was he part of a conspiracy. The interview was around 2010ish.
If you haven't sny idea who Mr. Brugioni was, Google his name.
Seen in "Altered History" by Douglas Horne. Oswald was part of the conspiracy, he just thought it would be a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba.
Buell Frazier drove Oswald to work from Irving when he stayed out there. Buell started working there just 2 months before the shooting. Ruth Paine got oswald the job (rang the tsbd HERSELF to get oswald the job) and produced damning evidence after the fact.Paine tried to get buells sister to get Oswald the job but she said no (she didn’t even know him) Mrs Paine is obviously Oswalds senior handler and the key to the entire Oswald setup.
Frazier also had lunch in the basement Nov. 22, the only time. Between 12:30-12:33 he cut the building power and phone lines. That way the three guys framing Oswald on the sixth floor could escape by rappelling down the elevator shaft. Frazier was threatened by Captain Fritz with being prosecuted for JFK's murder, so he cooked up the story about the brown paper package holding the rifle. In reality, Frazier's mother said Oswald had no brown package. Several loading dock witnesses on the north loading dock said Oswald came to work holding nothing in his hands. After the dust settled Frazier was hustled off into the Army to be kept incommunicado.
@@jackieow Apartently there was a 'locked' office at the TSBD used by the owner - 'Bird' - this office was never searched at the time !
Bullshit
A handwriting expert (James Cadigan) testified that the english parts of the letter and the numerals were written in Oswald's handwriting.
How could Ruth Paine have known the rent on the Neely Street apartment was due on the 2nd of the month?
Who's to say Cadigan wasnt told what to say? The cops and SS harassed alot of people. Even years afterward.
expert,, not that lot.
Simply put, Ruth Paine was Irina Oswald’s handler. Allen Dulles was quite obviously the operational controller for Michael and Ruth Paine. Is there a Lesbian angle? Where do we think Lee and for that matter Irina, got their operating funds? Occam’s Razor says Allen Dulles
Yes I can't remember the details but the F B I did a search of her (Ruth) house and found films (L) and confiscated said films much to Ruth's protest. cant remember if she was subject to films.
I have read that Ruth and her husband worked for the CIA. She was supposed to be the person who suggested that Lee Oswald apply for a job at the Book Depository even though no opening existed. Undoubtably, an asset worked there to make sure Oswald was hired. This put Oswald in a position to be framed.
Great work, Ted! Keep it up!
She is still alive - ss of 10th Dec 2024 - but she is VERY LITIGOUS , enough to frughten Oliver Stone into not naming her , is she CIA? She was deported from Nicaragua in 1980s as she was an Agent of CIA. She could prove everything by admitting she was CIA
Very interesting. I’ve been studying the JFK thing for six decades. You have some great insight. Thank you.
2:38 The General Walker letter is baloney no matter whose handwriting it is. The whole purpose of Oswald, or any other witless sap inserted in his role in the script of the melodrama, was to take the blame, be killed off, then end of story. Oswald thought it would be a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Oswald would be a big hero and restore his luster inside the CIA if he were the fake Castroite who sheep-dipped himself, did another sham assassination on JFK after the Walker sham assassination for practice, then he would be a big man. All he had to do with Walker was watch as others shot and missed. Then get away on a city bus. All he had to do with JFK was watch as others shot and missed, then get away on a city bus. In his wallet were two torn halves of different dollar bills. One to recognize his CIA driver at the Texas Theater, the other to recognize his CIA pilot at the Dallas Redbird Airport. This is why inside the theater he kept changing seats. He left almost all his money behind for Marina because he was about to become a lauded ward of the CIA at some Paraguayan hideout. He thought.
YES, LHO had to have a clearance. Lee's assignment in New Orleans? You must read 'Dr. Mary's Monkey' by Ed Haslsm. LHO was tasked with support of the SV40 bio-weapon project under Dr. Alton Oschner and Dr. Mary Sherman. LHO was also likely the bag man. Tasked with delivering the completed bioweapon to Mexico City, where it was to be used against Castro. David Ferry was deeply involved, not only with covert flight ops, but also vivisection of lab rats, which he did in his own apartment. He kept extensive notes on these activities of his. I believe his hair loss may have been due to his handling of irradiated / contaminated rats. Read Haslam's book to learn more...
This was pretty good. I keep asking myself if the U.S.Government will ever come clean with the real details of what happened on 11-22-63. I personally believe they might never do that because the situation is so disgusting....they just can't tell the truth. I never have believed....and never will that LHO was a loan operator.
Ruth Hyde Paine, born in 1932, is not directly descended from any of the Founding Fathers of the United States. However, her former husband, Michael Paine, had notable ancestral connections. Michael's mother, Ruth Forbes Paine, was a descendant of the prominent Forbes and Cabot families of New England. Through this lineage, Michael was related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, the esteemed poet and philosopher. Additionally, a more distant relative on his father's side was Robert Treat Paine, a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Which one?
???? Really???
Thank you again, Ted. Your passion for this subject is impressive. Have you ever noticed how much Michael Paine looks like Oswald? Remember all those supposed sightings of Oswald at car dealerships, and gun shops and gun ranges? And supposedly Oswald would give his name? I wonder if we could just fit Michael Paine in those scenarios and come away with the same results?
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@@raucousrowdy6540 Thank you.
Who gets about, giving their name?.
@@raucousrowdy6540 Anderson is a great JFK researcher, and I think he is spot on about Oswald doubles, but I am just not buying that Oswald had a brother named Harvey.
@@Orangesjesus Oswald took a car for a drive, ( he doesn't drive) and then went on yelling about how much better the cars were in Russia. He was trying to be noticed. He went to the shooting range and started firing at someone else's target. In both cases, he was instigating conflicts and he made sure that he gave his name. His behavior was similar to the fake Oswald in Mexico City. Where a guy who was nearly 20 years older than Oswald applied for a Visa at the Russian Embassy but he had Oswald's I.D. FBI had 20 photos of the guy coming and going from the Russian Embassy, and Hoover admitted that not one of the photos were Oswald. Not even the voice recording.
Excellent video. Keep up the good work Ted.
No Truth with Ruth
❤ THANKS FOR THE TRUTH TED❤
"The Paines were devout Quakers"😮
I detect an east coast, Pennsylvania/Philadelphia/Delco accent. Thank you for another informative presentation.
If you listen and not look, he sounds just like Trey Gowdy!😂
Do you think that the JFK records are not fully released is because she is still alive?
The majority of conspiracy theorists focus on the blatantly obvious questions, the magic bullet, the grassy knoll, autopsy photos, Jack Ruby………..etc, etc, etc.
The nitty gritty details, the details that are lurking in the shadows that most people aren’t aware of, it’s these details that are most telling.
I dispute the idea that Lee Oswald was a defector when he went to the Soviet Union. He was, for one thing, not under military authority when he went there. For another thing, it was not illegal for him to live and work in the Soviet Union. The Soviets originally considered the possibility that he was a Western agent but they eventually concluded that he was a mentally unstable adventurer and they made no attempt to utilize him for intelligence purposes. Their motive for allowing him to stay there was in part humanitarian, as hard as that it to believe. They may have felt also that, as insignificant as he was, he might do something in America that could have an impact on the Cold War situation.
Who knows, maybe through back channels, the United States government told the Soviets that they would prefer it if the Soviets kept Oswald. In the Soviet Union, he had no opportunity to stir up trouble as an activist.
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The Soviet "motivation" was assigning Maria to spy on him. Her uncle was a KGB Colonel.
Just another coincidence to a coincidence theorist?
When i saw this title, i couldnt click play quick enough. Lol
This is just a idea but some non legacy media person might want to do a book or documentary on Ruth Paine and her husband . When I say non legacy media person I of coarse mean someone with balls. What do you and the people who follow you think about this idea ?
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course,
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.
Go right to the source and ask the horse,
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse,
He's always on a steady course,
Talk to Mr. Ed.
People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day.
But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?
“I am Mr. Ed.”
There is a book about Mrs. Paine
To read it, I'd be insane
It was written by a nut
Who's nose was up her butt.
He only wrote it for financial gain.
So, you see my dear,
What they want you to hear,
Is the baloney....
from Mrs. Paine.
check out Max Good's 2022 documentary film, "The Assassination & Mrs. Paine"
Ted, and followers of this " podcast " or video series I would encourage you to look at a music video from the 1990's from a great independent unknown band called XTC and a video they did titled the ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead. After we can hopefully have a good discussion
Marina Oswald said Lee told her he shot at General Walker and she was very upset with him.
If Oswald did shoot at Walker, it was a staged publicity stunt and intentional miss, clearly.
where does she say that?
True. She just didn't realize it was part of the sheep-dipping set up. It was also to make Gen. Walker look like a pal of JFK when the opposite was true. They hated one another, and RFK once had Walker locked up in a federal nut house. Walker probably supplied some of the snipers from his Army group, so if he looked like a target of Oswald he couldn't possibly have anything to do with the shooting of JFK, right? On Nov. 22 he spent big bucks and took a plane all the way to Shreveport. So he could pester the stewardess to initial or sign his ticket. See? See? Lookie here!!! I didn't have anything to do with the JFK assassination and I just happen to have some idiot level manufactured alibi evidence! See what a good boy I am!!! D.H. Byrd, owner of the book depository, made sure to spend all of November on an African big game hunt. First time in his life. So he couldn't possibly have anything to do with the JFK assassination either, Right? Right?
If so, it was probably coerced.
She says it in 1990 on Hard Copy. Just Search Marina Oswald Talks. She wasn't coerced. She wanted to prove her husband's innocence.
Why would they ask her about her sister. They had all the answers already lol
I hope you get more exposure!
Thanks Ted!
hey ted, as always great work. something to consider when it comes to declassification of any documents the main excuse for not deckassifying is always "sources and methods" i believe once either or both judith vary baker and ruth payne die there will no longer be any sources living and everything will come out (heres hoping anyway)
I was thinking the very same thing.
No, the CIA will continue to protect its past sources so current ones will have confidence. They also will want to conceal methods like shooting out of storm drains or recruiting people to be heroes and then killing them off once they have been used. Judyth Vary Baker was a con artist like Jim Files. She claimed after Nov. 22 she and Lee would have this ultra-romantic getaway to some luxury hotel at Cozumel. Problem is there were no hotels there until 1970. Files claims he shot alone from the fence, but Zapruder and Moorman and Lee Bowers all independently prove there were two guys at the fence. As distraction artists distracting from the real shooting at the northern grassy knoll.
Also, the last white hat detective died in May.
Hey Ted ! it remained a 1891 Argentine Mauser until Buddy Walthers got back from Ruth's garage ?
No, it took until about Sunday or Monday before the CIA realized the wrong rifle had been left behind. Then they started peddling the Carcano lie.
@@jackieow at the FBI lab they knew it was't the murder weapon . I think I told you this before . The 4 FBI guys even went to Sanger-Harris gunshop and the owner claimed up ,all he kept repeating " In Texas the is no paper work on a long gun " what they asked him was how many did he sell Warren Caster ? Ronald was thinking of buying one for himself they had them in a garbage can by the front door with a sign 25$ . He said that the gun shop had a small machine shop there and probable could build suppressors and thread the ends of the rifles . I don't think that their report is in the files , Hoover probable burned them . Ronald was pissed about the W.R. even lying what his last name was and it was not Simms.... Believe me Robert Frazier knew who did it . I am not saying he knew them but he knew who they were .Unless Fazier attended JBS meetings in Dallas
Looking in from Ireland, 🇮🇪 why would Michael Paine even say something like that on a telephone call? There was no need because they both would have known in advance.
The paine family wasn't someone in the Paine family an executive or founder of Bell Helicopter?The same helicopter used in Vietnam?
Great vid and staight to the point so thanks for that.. I think that Mrs Paine is one of the few reasons left for holding back files, Mrs Paine may very well have had no knowledge of the events that were to unfold and maybe she thought she was working for the better of her country therefore maybe it wouldn’t be fair to expose her… and surely there’s not that much time left!!
Few sleuths ever mention Judith Vary Baker???
Love your videos Ted. Keep them coming. It occurred to me that someone should do a comedy of the JFK murder because 60+ years of research has shown just how absurd the whole lone nut story is. Every aspect is a joke. Maybe humor would be more effective in communicating to new generations. Thanks again for all of your "What are the Odds" videos and other content.
It sure works with Colbert, Kimmel, and The Daily Show.The truth done comedically by these people is far better than the trash right-wing media.
@@rhysmorris4682
OSWALD! The Musical.
Or a sitcom
eality The Oswalds.
A kind, caring lady is much maligned. She looket after Oswald's wife and kids. She was helpful enough to get Oswald a job at the TSBD. She was helpful to the Police as she found incriminating information that they had missed when they searched her house. She was even more helpful in handing over a letter Oswald was writing to the Soviet Embassy. What more could she have done?
She could have volunteered for the firing squad and saved Ruby's life!
For some reason I cut the cable cord and have given up on the legacy media, I guess I'm a slow learner , I don't think there is any great plot about, I just think that much of the " legacy " media is afraid of not going along with the program and being out of a job. I'm curious as to what other people have to say. I'm OK with a respectful debate !
Excellent work Mr Cucci and thank you for your service ,of course, as always.
I wonder why Ruth hasn't been "tidied up" by now? Maybe she has a doomsday device.
If they kill off a key assassin or helper, that discourages similar people from filling similar roles. Plenty of insiders know all about Ruth Paine, and if she were eliminated they would have to disappear in panic before they were silenced also. Ruth Paine living to a ripe old age advertises "play along with us and you will profit from it."
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@@jackieow
Yes, and she's proven herself to be discreet.
Ted, who do you think the shooters were?
@@catchpass1488
Does it matter who are the shooters in a firing squad?
What matters is that they all serve the state.
@ yes it matters
Ohhh... The Paines.... The Paines!
Warning Dr. Smith. Danger!
@@kenanacampora Yes, we're on the same Paine page!
Warning will Robinson, danger, danger, (flailing robot appendages).
So many creepy characters, in this soap opera.
Hey Ted you got a public email address or some form of DM? There's a different angle of Ruby shooting Oswald saw in an A&E documentary that seems to have been scrubbed from the internet and wondered if you've ever seen it. I have questions about that, and I'll explain why it's relevant. The way it all went down, that particular camera was further back (probably from across the street) where you saw much more of the whole gathering. Never sat right with me how orchestrated it looks
People make money off of nutty stories. It was Jack Ruby who shot Oswald because his friends at the Texas Theater didn't pull it off. They failed because Oswald didn't panic and run out into the back alley where cops with drawn guns were waiting for him.
@jackieow we know what happened at the jail. What I'm saying is this panned back shot, you got a bigger picture. Some folks reacted like it was fully expected, then the ambulance pulls up way too fast with almost no surprise reaction from the EMT's like it was all setup, waiting for Jack Ruby to shoot Oswald. THAT has never sat right with me. They knew they couldn't let Oswald leave alive
More conspiracy stupidity. Will it ever end?
One researcher has claimed that LHO and Ruth worked on a mission together at the Ft Worth Air Base prior to his defection..... don't know if true but interesting.. Yes.. if you need evidence .. Ruth will find it in the garage ...just give her a few days.
Ruth is guilty as it gets.
I have heard on and off for years that Ruth and Marina were lovers. Have you heard this as well? If so, do you think it'srue?
Ruth Payne definitely looks like she loves licking carpet😮 Marina? Negative Soldier!
Ruth tried abd marina rebuked her
Ruth had some lesbian movies that were confiscated and later returned to her.
If the Walker note was indeed faked, the forger had to have access to Lee's Russian letters, The Walker note makes exactly the same Russian grammatical mistakes as his letters, with a few small exceptions. I doubt just listening to him would do it since she appears to have no ear for the Russian language and would not pick up on the sheer outrageousness of Lee declensionless nouns. Ruth could have probably faked it better if she had studied Bulgarian instead of Russian, Lee's Russian is so hopelessly ungrammatical.
Lets for arguments sake assume he did take a shot at walker.
This is where it all comes undone. On one hand they are presenting this like a totally innocent coincidence where they get him the job by chance and good intent but on the other is the walker evidence being revealed after the fact showing him to be an aspiring assassin all along.
So which one is it? You can’t have both.the odds are just OTT ridiculous.did not happen by chance.sorry.Its obviosly paine
Oswald stood by by while another guy shot at Walker and missed on purpose. The other guy was a lookout to protect the hind side of the shooter. The purpose was to train Oswald how easy sham assassinations are. Because they told Oswald JFK would be a sham assassination, just to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Then, if sheep dipped as a Castro sympathizer, Oswald would be a big hero inside the CIA and have a life of luxury retirement. Or so Oswald believed.
Thumbs UP.
Lee Harvey Oswald could very easily be mistaken for Michael Paine, and vice versa. A fleeting glance of him running away from a scene or through a 6th floor window from a distance and the 2 would be pretty much identical.
Except Marrion Baker and Roy Truly stopped him dead still and got a good face-on look at Oswald for several seconds. Michael Paine is known to have been at Bell Helicopter.
@jackieow
But neither Baker nor Truly saw the man fleeing the Tippit scene or the man in the 6th floor window. In fact, Truly and Baker pretty much give Oswald an alibi.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Baker and Truly were at the TSBD, not Tenth and Patton. They are of no relevance to the Tippit scene. They also have no relevance to the sixth floor window since they were dealing with Oswald at second floor TSBD. The purpose of Truly's acting job WAS EXACTLY to give Oswald an alibi. Temporarily. Baker was just the cop who happened by, then was led around by Truly as if he were a barnyard animal.
What was actually going on was Truly was a CIA operative and not even on the TSBD payroll, even though they cooperated with the CIA and allowed him to be called a manager. The whole deal with Oswald was the CIA wanted him to flee the building like John Wilkes Booth fleeing the Lincoln assassination, which ultimately makes Oswald look guilty. Then the CIA wanted Oswald to be shot down in a theater alley like John Dillinger. Look up John Dillinger if this is new to you. So to make Oswald look like a guilty fleeing felon, they first had to make him look innocent so he could flee.
So CIA operative Roy Truly, like others there [since building owner Byrd was a CIA cooperator], stationed himself just outside the TSBD southeast entrance. He knew that's where cops would be rushing once shots were heard in the area. Per plan he intercepted the first hero cop to arrive, who happened to be Marrion Baker. Truly generously offered to help and ran interference for Oswald. This showed Oswald that his good buddies in the CIA were looking out for him, and he Oswald could confidently do the next step which was take the bus to the Texas Theater pickup [Tippit at the Gloco gas station], where from there to the theater his CIA ride would be waiting to be his next helpful customized servant.
That's why Oswald had torn halves of different dollar bills in his pocket-- to recognize CIA contacts like driver and airplane pilot. Also to reassure Oswald, [this is the Hungarian doppelganger Oswald, the one who worked at TSBD and later was fed to Jack Ruby], they had the real American Oswald run down the TSBD hill, hop into a waiting station wagon, and take off west on Elm then north on Stemmons. This was the escape seen by Roger Craig and others.
The purpose was so everybody would think Oswald had escaped down the hill then west on Elm then north to Irving, so people would look for him at Ruth Paine's. With this show staged for Hungarian Oswald, he was confident not only that Roy Truly was guaranteeing him a successful escape, holy moly the big CIA organization was showing everybody to chase him up in Irving. Hungarian Oswald thought he had two proofs his friends were giving him the red carpet treatment. All staged for the patsy.
So, he headed for the city bus east of TSBD, to get to Tippit at the Gloco station so Tippit could give him the royal ride treatment to the Texas Theater. He thought. On the bus, Oswald heard JFK had blood on his head, and this was supposed to be a sham assassination only to scare JFK into invading Cuba. Oswald thought. That's why he posed as a Castro sympathizer, to be the hero inside the CIA that fooled JFK into attacking Cuba. With blood on JFK, Oswald deviated by taxi to his rooming house to get a revolver for insurance and a new jacket for disguise.
Out of the rooming house he crossed Zangs to the bus stop and got aboard with Tippit, as the back-up plan. Tippit dumped him near the theater, then went to Tenth and Patton so Westbrook could give him the latest about going back to the theater so he could blow away Oswald and become the national hero with book and movie deals. He thought. Tippit's real main purpose was to be sacrificed so there would be an excuse to peel cops from Dealey Plaza and send them to Oak Cliff. Then a big deal movie ticket issue would get them to the theater, enraged cops would kill the cop killer when spooked into the back alley, and all the blame would go to a dead Oswald.
But Oswald didn't spook out of the theater to be shot down like John Dillinger, so Jack Ruby had to take care of that fly in the ointment on Sunday morning.
Once Oswald was on his way to the theater, Roy Truly pulled the betrayal switcheroo. First he had already announced to Marrion Baker that Oswald had to be innocent and let him go, since he's an employee. Once Oswald had fled a goodly distance, Roy Truly announced Oswald was missing from work after the lunch break, so he must be guilty after all. We know that was a bogus dirty scam to frame Oswald, because two dozen other people didn't come back from work either but Roy Truly didn't announce them as absent. Oswald was the only one that the CIA was setting up to be framed.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Neither Baker nor Truly was at the Tippit scene, so of course they have no relevance to that. They weren't looking at anybody in the sixth floor window so again have no relevance to that topic. Baker was there by chance, but Truly's job was EXACTLY to give Oswald an alibi. Roy Truly was CIA and not a TSBD employee. He gave Oswald an alibi on purpose, so Oswald could get away to ultimately look guilty like John Wilkes Booth by fleeing the scene of the crime. Then they planned to spook him from the theater into the back alley and shoot him down like John Dillinger. But for once Oswald didn't play along. Once Oswald was well away from the TSBD, Roy Truly did his sell-out trick and announced Oswald wasn't back from lunch, ergo was now a suspect. Notice Roy Truly didn't disclose two dozen other people weren't back from lunch either. But only Oswald was mentioned because only Oswald was the guy the CIA wanted to frame.
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Truly was there to make sure Oswald escaped the building, to look guilty by fleeing like John Wilkes Booth. Later, he stabbed Oswald in the back, claiming since he wasn't back from work after lunch he must be guilty. He omitted to disclose a couple dozen other people hadn't come back to TSBD either. Roy Truly was a CIA employee, not on the TSBD payroll. They wanted to set up Oswald, not the other two dozen TSBD employees.
You should touch base with Richard James DeSocio who knows all the nepotistic strings. He's on RUclips
Michael's the one to look at, not Ruth.
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PS: There is no 'Y' in the Italian Language, so can you tell us your real last name?...
Is Ruth cia
Her sister was, indeed.
who is JFK
Like many here I've read extensively on the assassination and used to be firmly in the conspiracy camp. Now I'm not. it seems to me that theorists are really good at picking holes and finding connections not discussed in the official version but really bad at applying the same critical faculties to their own theories.
FBI's James Hosty's surveillance of Oswald is no big deal. All defectors or even visitors to Russia were under surveillance once they were back in the US. Nothing peculiar to Oswald. Oswald was a nut who were desperate for fame and a name for himself in history, who failed in all his attempts for his marxist cause (had been rejected visas by Cuba and Russia, even by the US Communist Party and even by his wife), had a propensity for violent action for his cause (was his targeting General Walker was a conspiracy?, I do not think so), was angry for JFK's constant incitement the anti-Castro Cubans for violent action against Cuba promising his support to topple Castro until the very final days of the assassination (it's not only the Bay of Pigs invasion years back and that CIA tricked JFK into it, JFK had himself been supporting and inciting aggression against Cuba all his presidency, it is also a myth that he was going to withdraw troops from Vietnam, he was not the hero as he has been undeservedly portrayed to be for decades), it makes perfect sense that Oswald wanted, planned and executed the assassination all by himself.
You can't seriously believe that.
Ha! Shazam! ⚡💥🙌
It's no big deal that Ruth Paine showed Marina a big interest. Ruth definitely did not know Russian "very very well". Nobody needed that well of a Russian to teach that on payment at the time. Because there weren't many people around who even knew working Russian and was able to teach. Ruth was exploring all opportunities to practice especially her spoken Russian. Because spoken practice is usually missing if you do not live in the country of your target language. Plus, Ruth was a Quaker who always had had a repuation of being going out of her way to help people. It's beyond normal that such a person wanted to help a migrant, lonely woman with a 1 year old kid and another one to be soon born and who is mistreated by his husband. And Ruth Paine has been talking for 60 years. It is weird that people claim most people who had even the smallest kind of info for an alleged conspiracy were murdered one by one long ago (those deaths were all because of old age or illness), but Ruth, whose the main beloved character of the conspiracy theorists has not only been allowed to live so far to old age, but allowed to speak for 60 years and her "handlers" have not been worried that she would ever slip unlike the poor other people who knew something, even much less trivial things and were murdered long ago.
So, she didnt teach Russian as a summer class at St. Mark's School?
Nice spreading of the CT nonsense.
Reclaiming History is a great book. This fellow is a nut.
Was Ruth the Babushka lady !?
No, the Babushka Lady was a CIA operative about 25 years older (see her walking across Elm St. after the shooting). She was there to back up Zapruder in case him camera failed. Her film went to the sniper assassination training school for the Green Berets at Ft. Bragg NC. There it was seen by Dan Marvin and his training class. The instructor said, "This is an excellent example of how to conduct and urban sniper assassination." Later the CIA at Ft. Bragg solicited Dan Marvin to murder Lt. Cmdr. William Bruce Pitzer at Bethesda Navy Hospital, because he had an intact video of the JFK autopsy which couldn't see the light of day. Notice that unlike Zapruder, Babushka Lady didn't step forward for the big fame and big money. She was prepaid by the CIA.
The Babuska Lady was shorter and heavier than tall, skinny Paine. I seriously doubt it was Oliver. Some say it was Mrs. Zapruder. Maybe she was checking up on Abe and Marilyn hugged up on that pedastal because of his " vertigo".
@@janetphillips2875 Babushka Lady didn't look like Mrs. Zapruder.
Could've been.
Never heard of that island you mentioned, how is it spelt? Otherwise this tells us little, we know the Paines were connected to it all but what was their role exactly.? There is nothing odd about ruth Paine wanting to keep up her russian with marina, there is no substitute for talking with a native speaker.
Ruth taught a Russian class at St. Mark's school.
Stop trying to rewrite history. Oswald took a shot at Walker as established by Marina Oswald. What is this push to prove Oswald's innocence. What isn't speculation is that he returned to Paynes house the Thursday before the assassination left his wedding ring,money. Went to work with a package saying there were curtain rods in it. No curtain rods were ever recovered by law enforcement at the book depository. The package was recovered near the rifle. He fled the depository went to his rooming house where he recovered a 38 caliber revolver which he was arrested with and tried to use it again on arresting officers. He lied when he said he was refused representation. He continually requests John Abt an ACLU lawyer whom was never retained. His own brother was convinced if his guilt. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. The FBI ,CIA both in attempting to cover themselves from the embarrassment of having previous knowledge of Oswald. Not to mention trying to prevent WW III. Was theta conspiracy,maybe but no concrete evidence has been found yet,61 years later. You do an injustice every time one of these theories pops up. Use common sense, don't get carried off by these particulars that end up going nowhere. Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. There hasn't been any evidence to show me otherwise.
Oswald was no where near Gen. Walker's house. There were witnesses on consecutive nights who saw two men (neither Oswald) looking into Walker's windows... So ridiculous that anyone could seriously believe the lone nut theory of the JFK Assassination. Actually embarrassing for you.
Nor is there any real evidence he did!
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Whatever you say Alex Jones.
61 years later and the BS conspiracies still linger on❗🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If only you were as smart as you think you are. Sorry that you're not. Your tin foil hat is too tight😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😮😢😊
At least I don't believe in a magic bullet.
@@Icewalker946 Excellent point.
61 yrs later, people still believe the ridiculous idea that Oswald did it! Hell, everybody in Dallas knew it was the mayor's minions. He was pissed off bcuz his brother, CIA no.2 man, was fired by JFK,
Good explanation and why it only makes sense that Oswald was the lone gunman
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This guy's a Mark Lane clone. Feeding off the event with more misinformation. Study for yourself instead of listening to nuts like this
@uncletony6210 He latched onto Marguerite Oswald from the start hoping to cash in on her insistence that her son was innocent. She also lied saying she had proof of such in order to gain attention. When pressed on her 'proof' she admitted she had none. Lane's 'career' led him to Europe where he continued to generate misinformation about the assassination.
@uncletony6210 Lane lost much credibility when he so eagerly leaned on info he gleaned from a Houston Post reporter (who also got the info second hand) that Oswald was an FBI informant.
@uncletony6210 Haha!! To argue with a trumper is useless. Enjoy the Bubble!
@@Mike-h5d4z a "trumper"?? where in the h did you pull that out of? but seriously, if you're one of the last standing lone-nut theorists, it is you that is the nut...and soon to be "lone nut." Oh, the irony :D
I have, and it's people who believe Oswald did it who are nuts. There's too many loose ends that untie the Warren Commission's little bow.
Oswald definitely did not work for Guy Banister. And the two definitely never even met. The only "connection" is, while looking for a place to rent, Oswald also came across and considered the building where Banister had an office, yet they never met. Then, the conpiracy community made a tale out of it. And Oswald also had never seen David Ferrie for 10 years after their time in the Marines.
Oswald had just turned 24 yrs old in October, when he was killed in November. Maybe youre thinking of the Civil Air Patrol.
@@janetphillips2875 Yes, the Civil Air Patrol, not the Marines, thank you.
Not so. Ferrie, Banister, and Oswald did know each other. They operated out of the same building. That building was on a corner. 544 Camp st and the other address I don't remember. Bannister told a visiting associate who was perplexed that Oswald was preparing his fair play for Cuba leaflets next door to banisters gun running to Cuba operation. Banisters words regarding Oswald were " he's one of us." As far as Oswald's innocence goes. How could he be? Last I heard, participating in a plan to toss lead at our president, is an idiots folly. Just because he didn't shoot Anybody, but got stuck holding the bag, and ate a bullet for good measure. Kid was 24 and gullible as hell. Play with fire you get the results
BS
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
You believe in the magic bullet, huh?
Oswald acted alone...
they must have bought her silence ... i guess she's the last key figure alive Ted ??
lol.... the letter, so many suspect identifiers.
Insulting to the community!
First, LHO had much better penmanship.
You'd be better off using a typewriter, Ruth.
Oh wait,,,?
The Vetting Department must have called out sick that day.
Poor asset.
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