Highlight: Where Do You Stand on Christian Nationalism?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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There is a Christian nation in Heaven, that is sufficient for me.
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36
@watchman of the night Amen
You seen the Theocast episode on theonomy?
Do not turn to the right or the left; Remove your foot from evil. Proverbs 4:27
Christ never forced God's Law on others, He said "repent & believe". The Great Commission calls us to preach the gospel to all people of all nations, not to establish nations. Not only that, but there are serious consequences on trying to force morality (even an objective standard such as God's Law) through human law. No one is perfect, so it won't be implemented perfectly which leads to injustice. Also, you can't convert unbelievers through morality. Forcing your views (via human laws which are enforced via force & coercion through the state via cops) is itself immoral even if the laws are good. You are forcing your will & your interpretation of God's Law on others. & even then which interpretation of God's Law? I know the Reformed community would not appreciate Roman Catholicism's understanding of God's Law, or Mormonism which would allow polygamy.
If you want what the Great Commission is talking about, research Christian Anarchism. And no, Romans 13 & 1 Peter 2 aren't counterarguments, however 1 Samuel 8 is a counterargument for Christian Nationalism.
Only mtg did.
Really liked you pointing out 1 Samuel 8. Thank you for that.
Are you saying there should be no laws?
Every law on earth is "forcing morality". If you out someone in jail for murder, you're forcing your morality onto them. Your argument is advocating anarchy. If we can have any law at all, then it should be fine to have it be specifically christian.
Literally no one is talking about forced conversion, instead we're talking about marriage, no child sacrifice, and no usury. No more pretending atheism is "neutral", it's not.
@@truthisbeautiful7492If he wants to or not, he's advocating for anarchy. After all, every law is forcing morality onto others.
Being involved politically in voting for morality is one thing, but having kids saying the pledge of allegiance in Sunday school and an American flag next to the cross is another.
God supports patriotism. God had us born ir brought to America for a reason, and we are to cherish our nation, even if we hate the evils of our government.
When pastors or even us as Christian’s refuse to speak out against politics are being cowards.
Yes
Is gay marriage not effecting your marriage in anyway. Look here’s one small verse in a book written 100 years after Jesus died that says you could hate gays. Treat everybody equally except gays, trans and people of other religions. Be a burden on them and tell them every time that Jesus loves them even in conversations that done pertain to religion.
@@antfbiDoes Jesus love murderers? Yes. Does Jesus love murder? No. You're assuming that "gay" is inherent, but it's not. There is no such thing as a gay person or a trans person. They literally don't exist.
The secular state is actually an invention of Christendom,having learned the hard way that it is a bad idea to have politicians mediate political disputes. Some, it seems, are in the process of forgetting that hard lesson.
Should read "theological disputes" and not as stated.
It was invented by weird left wing protestants like John Locke.
Whose Jesus is King of Kings? To claim you "don't know what nationalism means" is a clear lie. The issue with nationalism is who is defining the nation state? Europe has waged wars over religion and this guy conveniently forgets that. I will advocate for Durbin and his Durbinites to practice whatever they want to practice. A secular state will protect him, it will also protect others who don't see the world the same way.
I mean you could just say yes I want to force my religion on everyone else. But to many people might see you as a traitor for abandoning the idea of religious freedom
Christian nationalism is ultimately flawed because nationalism is inherently isolationist and therefore has no room for spreading the Gospel to the all the nations of the earth and fulfilling the Great Commission. Under Christian nationalism, there is no room for the nations to all come to Jesus and declare that he is Lord as will happen in the fulfillment of Philippians 2 because nationalism will always be about being isolated as nation and not allowing for the unity of the church across the world to be the Body of Christ everywhere and bring the earth to its knees in front of King Jesus.
Well that’s nonsense. Britain at its nationalistic zenith spread the Word to every corner of the Earth.
Hey pastor Jeff, i would love to see you be a guest at the “Whatever” podcast where you can inform many viewers about the Gospel and also correct these gen z girls and boys on gender roles, abortion, transgenderism, etc. It would be an amazing podcast
Ah yes!
Yeah but he would have to sit around a bunch of women who will not cover themselves. Its the reason I cannot watch it
I second this.
@@LibertyFixxxer I totally agree. I would love to see Durbin or Wilson on that podcast but the immodesty is too much. If they all agreed to turn down the AC to 50 degrees Fahrenheit and put on some puffer jackets, I'd watch it!
Even though others have said the same thing, I'll agree with those, the women are prostitutes. I won't watch it. However, if Jeff is so led to share the gospel with them, I would support him in prayer. I've shared the gospel with prostitutes and prayed with them. Jesus did as well in his day.
The biggest problem with the American version of Christian Nationalism is that it treats America like the new Israel and interprets OT passages that were prophecies about Israel/Judah as if they were written with the United States in mind. The other problem with American Christian Nationalism is that it elevates the constitution almost to Biblical authority, as if the constitution and the concept of democracy is the bar for what it looks like for God to bless a nation. Never mind the majority of Christians throughout the centuries who lived faithfully to Christ in countries that didn’t live under democracy or in capitalist society - and yet the church exploded and grew under conditions that most Americans wouldn’t call “blessed”.
I would encourage you to dig in a bit more into “Christian Nationalism” if you are going to say where you stand on it, instead of say, “I don’t even know what that means.” There is a lot to critique about it. But I assume you would lose a lot of your subscribers if you actually gave it a fair critique.
Luke 13:22-24 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”
He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
I don't see that any country is completely saved. If you ask me what does a country look like that is fully Christian, and what does that country's legislation look like? It certainly isn't the US. Turn the other cheek, open your house to strangers, give half of what you have as a rich church(country) to a poor church(country) so that you both can have enough, respect your leaders(even if it is Biden), do not concern yourselves with the things of this world, but be heavenly minded. No that certainly isn't the US. Just remember worshipping a flag is also idolatry. If you are really a christian your kingdom is the kingdom of heaven, not the USA.
The first thing I want to be done, is to get that piece of crap out of my ring. Don't just get him out of the ring, get him out of the WWF because I've proved son, without a shadow of a doubt, you ain't got what it takes anymore! You sit there and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn’t get you anywhere. Talk about your psalms, talk about John 3:16…
Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!
My brothers. Great answer. This is why watch this show. Learning something new every time. 🙏🏾
“If you don’t engage in politics as a pastor then you’re failing.”
Sorry, but Jeff Durbin isn’t the standard. The Bible is. And legislation does not “impose morality.” The Bible does. And this country is not governed by the Bible, it’s governed by the Constitution. And the Constitution is not biblical scripture. Apologia is Christian Nationalist without the title. But at best, they’re confused about the issue. God bless you all.
Christians teach that a loving god allows free will while at the same time seek to remove it themselves.
Where does the Bible say that unbelievers now, who are enslaved to sin and hate God, have 'free will' to do spiritually pleasing acts towards God? Which confession of faith of which church says this?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 How can someone "hate" that which they don't believe in? I "hate" the character of Voldemort, but I don't actually "hate" him because I don't think he exists. I don't hate god anymore than I hate Voldemort.
@@JayBandersnatch but you have been given revelation that God exists. I don't believe your claim that you don't know God exists or that God doesn't exist. I see no evidence for that, besides your say so. Suppressing the truth sinfully doesn't make it true. Can you describe this God you don't believe exists?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 If you can't come to the table as an honest interlocutor than don't come to the table. The argument that "you really believe" is the best way to prove your side wrong and you should stop using it. It's like if I were to demand that you don't really believe in god, you're r just pretending to, how condescending would I sound to claim that I know your thoughts better than you do?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 BTW: I've never claimed that god doesn't exist, I only claim that I'm not convinced god(s) exist, that doesn't mean in convinced god(s) don't exist, those are 2 separate claims.
The Sanhedrin had a pretty strong grip on the imposition of OT morality. As Jesus said- they sat in Moses’ seat. Rome seems to have given them a wide enough berth to “legislate” or to use your word “impose” their authority on the Jews within Israel; as we know they (Rome) allowed other local power brokers to do as convenient. When the Pilate (the secular authority) gave the people the choice the cried for Barabas’ freedom and ipso facto- Jesus’ execution. Now we know all things work together for good and what evil the enemy intended turned to the greatest good, but pause when denigrating the pastor who “doesn’t do politics” or defending which “obvious” political party to support and really… really consider your defense of the ends justifying the means. A short history lesson reveals “Christianity” imposing itself upon groups and nations and literal world empires as a recurring theme regularly with some pretty horrendous results (more awful for the gospel of Jesus Christ). I see more and more christian infotainers today making a case they would scold a sycophantic Marxist of making when judging historic precedent, namely that, -(That wasn’t TRUE (fill-in-the-blank) and WE will implement it correctly to our own glory.)
The kingdom comes not with observation.
And,
It is near,
That’s just incoherent. You’re throwing pearls to the pigs here. Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to Gods what is Gods. You cannot serve God and mammon, meaning the chase of power or money. It’s like you are trying to systematically disciple the worldly and the fleshy, which is what the Catholics did and because of human error and sin, they are now idolaters. Don’t do that. Jesus has come to die so that whoever believes in Him may inherit eternal life, not to conquer the world including the damned and the cursed who hate and reject Him. I’m wondering where you went wrong with your theology. You used it to fend off the fake Christians like 3 months ago just fine.
Amen
Count me in, the last few years have shown me the alternative is utter insanity.
“God and country” eventually will become the worship of the dragon and the beast IMHO. How?
Who’s the god of this world? Did Jesus say His kingdom was of this world? Did He tell His followers to be of this world and to love the things of this world? Is friendship with this world enmity toward God?
Satan is the god of this world who gives power to the beast. So, there’s the god in “god and country”
If we look back on history, Rudolf Hess addressed about a million Nazi members and he stated, “Adolf Hitler is Germany just as Germany is Adolf Hitler.”
The beast (the antichrist) will rule this world for 42-months. He will be the commander of the worlds mightiest military, “who can make war with the beast”, and he will subjugate the world through military conquest as revelation chapter 6 verse two tells us.
He will be the new Caesar ruling over the new revived Roman Empire. And much like how Hitler and Caesar were viewed as the embodiment of their nation, the beast will will be viewed as the same. There’s nothing new under the sun and history repeats itself.
The beast will be a nationalist leader whose set on global domination.
So, you can see how “god and country” quickly becomes the dragon (satan) and the antichrist.
Come out of this world and be ye separate. Focus on Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done. America will be part of the antichrist one world government at some point (Rev 13:7).
Politics is of this world and it’s a false gospel. All political parties say the same thing. “Vote for me and I’ll make America a wonderful place.” This is a humanistic false gospel. There is no political solution to a spiritual problem. We need to recognize the signs of the times and that we are in the last days. There’s not going to be a political solution to this because who would get the glory?
Also, politicians could legislate all moral laws, however, that doesn’t mean people will follow them. The only way they could get people to follow moral laws is by forcing their will on the people. The only way Donald Trump could combat the evil and be his supporters retribution is through war. And if Trump made everything great again, who would get the glory?
What calvinists wont tell is their preference is John Calvin's Geneva with them in Charge. They are jumping all over the place. Name a nation in history as an example.
What about your tattoos...it's a sin correct
nope, not a sin. Why do you ask?
@@erickinho1BRA 🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄 you better read your bible👀👀🤐🤐🤐
@@shinelife6244 I do read my bible. Do you? Are you a Christian?
@@beppiek And can you tell me the type of law this is? Moral, ceremonial, or judicial?
@@beppiek Wasn't the temple filled with art? What does Christians being the temple of the Holy Spirit have to do with not getting tattoos?
Thank you brother for helping in the understanding of Christian responsibility to a dying world and how we ought now to live!!
Fascism, pure and simple
what is fascism?
@michaelabraham2740 far-right nationalist or ethno-supremecist political ideology. Easy.
@@WarriorOfWriters In what capacity would a country run under the law of Scripture be considered "ethno supremacist" or "far right"?
@michaelabraham2740 the Laws, the first five books of the Christian Bible were favourable to the genocidal Hebrews as they wandered the arid Canaanite lands, seeking their promised land. Fortunately none of this is demonstrable historical fact.
Furthermore, the commandments are theocratic. Have no other gods before me, take not the Lord's name in vain, make no graven images and keep the Sabbath holy. What purpose do these commandments serve to non-Jews? Is there some consensus on which day the Sabbath is?
@@WarriorOfWritersThat's not the definition of fascism 😂 you can't just make up terms, if you're going to use the word "fascism" you need to learn the definition.
Its a straw man to offer that the Great Commission is wishful thinking if you don’t believe it means Christianity will come to dominate the world prior to Christ’s return. The Great Commission is about spreading the Gospel so that everyone in the world will either accept or reject it. But Jesus already said few will enter through the narrow gate. Most of humanity has and will reject the Gospel up until Christ’s return. The ideal government will come AFTER Christ returns, not before. That appears to be clear from Scripture.
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Only believers are in the kingdom unbelievers are outside of the kingdom. The apostle Paul made it clear that we have nothing to do with those outside the kingdom JEHOVAH Himself will deal with them at a time of his choosing.
1Corinthians ch.5:11KJV"For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? " So the sanctification of the believers not regimentation of the unbelievers is to be the concern of JEHOVAH'S true church.
And let's have a closer look at Jesus' commission.
Matthew ch.28:19 "Go, therefore, and make DISCIPLES of all the nations,.." If you need to put a gun to a man's head in order to compel an outward pretence of Christianity you have NOT made a disciple of Christ of that man. There is no political path to JEHOVAH'S Kingdom.
As a non-Christian, I absolutely agree with you. Imposing Christianity on non-Christians won’t make more Christian’s, it will only make the rest of us angry and uncooperative. You do your thing, we will do ours, and as long as no one’s rights are being infringed upon, we’re cool.
@@MrWill9894 It's weird who we'll find ourselves agreeing with when we take the time to talk with rather talk at each other.
I agree, and it’s very refreshing. If only we could get everybody else to use a little compassion
@@MrWill9894 I think one of the main problems is the tendency to politicise every issue ,once that happens an increase in heat and a decrease in light is inevitable. It's not even psychology it's physics.
The cult of Jehovah.
People don’t like the negative connotation that the words “Christian Nationalist” gives. I think that’s a hold up for a lot of faithful Christians. Personally I not feel bound to that phrase necessarily, but what my apologia brothers are describing here is the definition of Christian Nationalism that people like Joel Webbon are giving. The media has also done a great job of smearing that phrase with racist connotations.
Well Christian nationalism was predicted as part of the Image of the Beast of Rev 13, so it’s not a good thing…
Completely misunderstanding the Great Commission.
I believe we as Christians should positively influence all aspects of society which includes the political sphere but isn't limited to that. I believe in religious liberty and should not have a church state. No church or set of churches should have preference over other churches or religious organizations. The founders supported natural law and civic virtue where they saw religion in society as a positive good. I think that makes sense.
Well Christian nationalism was predicted as part of the Image of the Beast of Rev 13, so it’s not a good thing…
You mean old men touching children on the church while you call gays and trans people pedophiles?
@@godloves9163 isn't that what we had in Europe for a 1,000 plus years?
@@Spillers72 somewhat, but that was the enemy’s counterfeit Christianity just like the one forming in the US.
Revelation 12 speaks about the 1260 years of this. The Man Behind The Mask: ruclips.net/video/PMl-Yz2e9WA/видео.html
A woman rides the beast
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Stick to gospel, making disciples, church discipline…
There’s Historical precedent for national Fascism as reaction to communist revolutions (napoleon after French Revolution, and in Europe as response to communists)
Fittingly fascism symbol is a bundle of sticks
Learn from history's past. The puritans fled England because of the Church and State system persecuting dissidents. Their descendents ended up repeating same history when they imposed their penal codes and NH became exclusively a Puritan colony for political office. The Framers of The Constitution wanted separation of institutions of Church and State for this reason so that there would be no establishment of one religion but an inclusive society for all faiths. I am talking on these topics
Moral laws have to be derived from somewhere or someone. If not Christ, then from man apart from Christ, and if not from the Word of God, then from the word of man. A Christian nation is not a nation of Christians. It is a nation whose morality and ethics come from Christ rather than man. And whatever is not from God, or for Christ is from those who are against God and Christ. If they were for God and Christ, the morals and ethics would be the same as Christian Nationalism anyway. But because they are against God and Christ, they are Anti-Christ. My opinion is that Christians against a nation founded on Christian values only care about themselves, not their neighbors.
What if a follower of Jesus believes America was founded on the "philosophies of the world", rather than on the Gospel? Whether or not this is true is a fabulous conversation worth having, but what should a Christian do if this is his conscience?
Should this Christian use the "political tools" created by the "philosophies of the world" to legislate God's will or should he preach the Gospel to a people who appear to have never heard the Gospel?
Furthermore, if the people have heard the Gospel, yet reject it, then what?
Who says denominations or what's negotiable like baby baptisms and what about the catholic church? Case law?
So it’s moral to pray, should people HAVE to pray?
Read the story of Jonah to find out what happens when the leadership says ok we will. The messenger who probably had a legitimate anger against Nineveh complained.
So sad that the preachers of the good news sometimes don't actually care about the people they preach to. Very sad... I'd also say that the complaint Jonah had was not legitimate. He was just hateful toward the Ninevites
@@erickinho1BRA But God… (love that phrase) took Jonah’s failure, bringing a multitude to repentance & back to Himself.
It’s awesome how He does that… kept His promise
So in other words, you're a Christian nationalist.
Doublespeak. Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
I don't say the Pledge of Allegiance, even when I substitute teach, because my allegiance is to Christ. I will put my hand to my heart, but not say the words.
But others around you will see you placing your hand and immediately think you are pledging to the flag. Go the whole way and don't at all. It's not required for citizens to pledge allegiance to the beast.
Amen
Bat s*** insane.
I realize my response may not be a welcome view in this issue and many will disagree. Please hear me out though.
I see Christian Nationalism as a methodology of uniting, particularly conservative leaning Christianity, to a common voice and mindset. God and country. What two aspects of citizenship can have any greater significance? I mean you love God first and country second.
What could possibly be wrong with that? Inherently nothing, right?
At face value nothing. On the other hand everything! Not too far in the distant past I would have been right there on the bandwagon with the idea of Nationalism in general. When the descriptive Christianity is added then it must be a Holy Alliance.
I believe this to be far from the truth. It is a deception to distract well meaning believers into a funnel of social and political issues with the intent of manipulating current of thinking, behavior, beliefs and emotions.
Let me begin to explain. Jesus emphatically points out in John 18:36, “ My kingdom is not of this world (speaking to Pilot). Well before Jesus entered the scene in His teaching and healing ministry the Jewish leaders had mistakenly misinterpreted the scriptures to suit their own selfish political and social desires. They took God’s promise, to the Israelites, spoken through Moses to make them a great nation and focused solely on the earthly aspects of the promise. What they failed to remember or chose to remember was that God’s promised earthly recognition and prosperity based on their obedience. It was an oath and a two way relationship which involved commitment and adherence to its terms.
Instead the religious leaders wanted a Messiah who would come to command and conquer and release them from their earthly oppressors of bondage. They had no desire for a Messiah whose kingdom is, and still to this day, not of this world. They had no room for a Messiah who came to conquer spiritual darkness and free them from the bondage of sin. Like the Laodicean church they felt they were rich and in need of nothing.
What a sad state to find oneself in when the Creator, the One who lead their ancestors out of Egypt was in their midst to lead them out of spiritual Egypt. But they could not recognize him.
We likewise are in similar peril. Do we recognize that the bridegroom cometh? Who can argue we are living in unprecedented times?
The book of Revelation says, “the whole world wondered after the beast.” (Rev 13:3)
How does that happen? The very short answer is mindset. There has to be one mind. One uniting issue and event to polarize and unite. I believe Christian Nationalism is just one of those ideological fronts to accomplish this process. Satan works on many fronts and he is the most successful in the shadows where he allows the human ego to flourish and congregate itself on its achievements. Christian Nationalism appears to be a good thing and a godly thing standing up for noble issues, those who can’t speak for themselves, standing against the tide of the ungodly.
I’m not saying not to give voice to these issues but largely it is a distraction.
Over the past several years I’ve personally come to the conclusion we are not to become so involved with these issues or what party we identify with that it causes conflict in the church. We are to come before God asking for humility of heart and discernment for the times we are living.
I think it is important to view the news and events taking place in the world to gain perspective on where we are prophetically in earth’s history. I believe Jesus’ second coming is not too far off. We can not allow ourselves to be sucked into the ideology and mindset of the majority no matter which way the wind is blowing. To do so is to fall into deception and distraction.
The world is being primed for the implementation and acceptance of the mark of the beast. I realize this may sound like a stretch but it’s about mindset. If we are focused on earthly issues to the extent it supersedes the heavenly we are at risk.
The mark of the beast is not something physical such as a vaccine or chip or tattoo. What has always been the issue? What was the issue in Eden? “ Did God really say?” ( Gen. 3:1) The serpent questioned God’s authority. We also questioned God’s authority and who rules the universe and our individual lives by partaking of the fruit. We became disloyal to God.
The mark of the beast is therefore a sign of who has authority in your life. Is it God or man/Satan?
What is the standard? God’s word. His law. The mark of God’s authority is found in the 4th commandment. Here is where you find out who is the creator and how and when He expects you to worship Him.
But man, just like Cain, wished to create his own form or day of worship. We can follow the line of Cain and see its results. Likewise there is a false way and day of worship set aside by man and not by our Creator.
So I appeal to you think and study on these things.
Christianity today is looking for solutions to our sin ravaged world. We are seeking man made solutions. Jesus is of course the answer but it’s not about fixing the planet we see today. This planet is wearing out like an old garment (Isa. 51:6).
John said, “ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the former had past way.” (Rev 21:1)
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Revelation ch 18:24NIV"In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” There is no evidence that Christendom has learned from her mistakes.
This myriad scatter of opinionated comments here exemplify the reason Christ shall come
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
"Attention please"
One problem with Christian Nationalism is I see a lot of people that are only culturally Christian claiming this title and with that comes misinformed people speaking on behalf of God. I’m not against the idea of being a Christian and a Nationalist but what is the objective definition of a CN, I also don’t think we should surrender definitions of CN to having anything to do with racism. 🤔
I find it strange that no one seems to know that when it says "nations" in all the passages you are referencing, the actual, untranslated word is "goyim", and it doesn't mean what you think it does
Serious question: Would it be fair to say this doctrine assumes that the world is getting better and more Christianized?
There is a difference between a Christian Nationalist and a Nationalist Christian.
Torquemada and the Holy Inquisition 2.0?
Thank God America is his favorite nation‼️
Matthew 10:8
The question is, what does the bible say about who builds that nation, Man or God? not reading into the text what you think it says but what it actually says.
The Bible is quote clear evil will wax worse and worse until Christ returns and put it down and established His earthly Kingdom.
@@ExperienceEric From my reading His earthy Kingdom on the throne of David will be from Jerusalem in the coming litual 1000 year reign.
I agree that we must be ready to answer, “What does an obedient nation look like, legislatively?”
But I disagree that the ultimate question is if the obedience of the nations is possible or just wishful thinking.
I think the question we need to be asking is not if, but when. When will the obedience of the nations be accomplished, before Christ’a return by His work through His bride or by Christ Himself at His return?
Personally, I lean toward the latter, because I see that to be more Scripturally consistent, and intuitively more God glorifying. By Christ accomplishing it Himself, at His bodily return, it would leave no doubt in the mind of men to whom belongs to glory of conquering nations!
But I’ll be just as glad if He has other plans.
I appreciate the way you articulated your disagreement. I don't agree with you but I am happy to read your last statement. If Christ wants to bring about his kingdom himself directly as opposed to using his messengers to bring the gospel with the power of the Holy Spirit, I'd be happy either way! God bless!
My sentiment exactly, Caleb. When and how will Christ accomplish this certainty?!
An obedient nation doesn’t question the government and makes people like lamb to a slaughter
Ok kid’s science. Well be learning where sperm comes from. Any guesses. The back bone. Very good Timmy
Everybody votes with their personal beliefs, including their spiritual beliefs. Why then are only Christians criticized for voting with their beliefs in mind?
Vote for abortion, same sex marriage, etc. because you personally believe it to be good....but vote for pro-life, the sanctity of marriage, etc. and you're a Christian nationalist/Christofascist?
You do of course have the right to vote however you choose. The rest of us will call you Christofascists because we don’t want those views imposed on us, and because our legal tradition has been one of neutral, secular government. Your political beliefs make you and people like you an interloper in our political discourse, I think it’s only natural that non-Christian’s disagree so heavily with you
@@MrWill9894 Secular is separation of church authority and state, it doesn't mean separation of GOD and state. Our founding fathers wrote about this. We are under GOD, otherwise where do we establish a moral source? If we dismiss GOD, then we end up with people like you giving kids sex changes.
You become a christo fascist when you want to coerce morality, coerce worship, coerce thought etc
@@davidr2299 that's not what most people are saying. The general consensus is that a Christofascist is somebody who tries to impose Christian morality on the nation in any way. Against same sex marriage? Christofascist. Against sex changes for kids? Christofascist. Teach kids about Jesus in school? Christofascist.
@@nicknickson3650 what if they’re children of Muslim parents??! Or they’re Jewish?? How would those parents feel!? How would YOU feel if your child was forced to learn about Mohammad? This is the problem with all these theonomist arguments. They’re just fantasies. Not practical in the real world. Revolt and rebellion would be nearly universal not to mention, how do you plan to do all this?? You need numbers, like 70%+ of the country’s support and the law. You have neither. Let’s be honest here…what’s the percentage of Americans that TODAY would be on board with theonomy? 5%? 7%? I don’t think it budges 3% of the population.
Can you guys explain what "Jacob's trouble" is, who it's speaking about and how close to it are we?
The time of Jacob's trouble is an illustration confirming that God's people will go through the great tribulation at the end of time. Jacob and Esau represent two classes of people. Jacob, the righteous; and Esau, the wicked. Jacob's night of wrestling and anguish represents the time of trouble through which the people of God must pass just prior to the second coming of Christ. Jeremiah refers to this time: “Wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:6-7
And he shall be saved out of it, not removed from it, as is commonly taught by those who teach the pretribulation rapture.
I don't know (so don't take my word for it) but I think they as "preterists" would take that day of trouble as the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70AD. Feel free to disagree; I definitely won't die on that hill lol
@@watchmanofthenight2700 Jacob = the 12 tribes of Israel, not the Gentiles in Christ. Throughout the whole Bible, that is what Jacob is...the 12 tribes. Jacob was renamed Israel and had 12 sons which became the 12 tribes. Jacob is mentioned over and over again in the OT prophets as being all 12 tribes of Israel. The Time of Jacobs trouble is the great tribulation at the end which is a time worse than ever was or ever will be, and the central focus of God in the tribulation is finally bring the 12 tribes under the New Covenant as we Christians are today. Though the whole world will fall under judgment, God's main focus is on bringing the nation of Israel under Christ and His blood sacrifice. Daniel, Ezekiel, Jesus, Zechariah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Revelation all make clear Israel is a reborn nation in the Holy Land again in the last times and tribulation, still rejecting Jesus and will not come to Him as their Savior until deep into the tribulation and after great and horrific persecution against them.
The rapture, whether you believe it pre, mid or post trib has nothing to do with this at all because the whole point is most of Israel is not saved until very late in the tribulation. Those of us in Christ today (both Jew and Gentile) are already saved, already have salvation and are one body in Christ. The nation of Israel is still on the outside looking in.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 JACOB'S trouble. Not the church's trouble. The context is pretty clear that it's talking about the 12 tribes.
Jacob/Israel is the Church.
It must never be forgotten that "to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ." Gal 3:16
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed; that is the seed of the promise in which Isaac is.
"In Isaac shall thy seed be called," for Isaac was born after the Spirit, and is the true seed.
Therefore all the children of Abraham are they alone who are born of the Spirit. For "We, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." Gal 4:28
Isaac was freeborn; and none but those who are free are the children of Abraham, "So, then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free." Gal 4:31
So if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit by which Isaac was born, he is not a child of Abraham and has no claim to any part of the promise.
For if you are not Abraham's seed, then you are not Christ's.
Jacob, the son of Isaac received the birthright from Esau, and became Israel after his night of struggling with God over his method of receiving the birthright. [Gen 32:22-32]
This struggle that Jacob had with God represents the time of trouble that many Christians will have in the last day when the Lord returns.
“Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jer 30:7
Or do you truly believe that the church will not be saved out of the time of trouble in the last day when the Lord returns?
What’s your views on demonic possession?
What if it just Dissociative identity disorder (DID) and you could just go to a doctor?
Don’t you think the people pushing the demonic stuff is just delusional?
I've worked in the mental health field for about 5 years and have seen demonic possession. They're not the same. DID isnt a separate personality/personalities. It's kinda like gender dysphoria in its delusions.
As opposed to demonic possession. Which is exactly what it sounds like.
Do you think Jesus was delusional when he spoke to demons that were possessing people?
@@erickinho1BRA Maybe?
Where you there to see these demons?
@@kylethedalek Oh, and there is our biggest difference. You reject the deity of Christ. How can you accept any answer I give when you and I start the conversation with to vastly different world views? I will appeal to Scripture which is the Word of God but I'm sure you'll reject that, correct?
John McArthur pointed out that Christ did not participate in a democracy. He followed a theocracy.
Amen to that! But except he doesn't believe in a postmillennial eschatology
@@erickinho1BRA I'll have to look that word up.
@@motoosoteo6219 ah sorry, Joh MacArthur believes in a "premillenial" view of the end times in which the coming of Christ comes before (or "pre") the millenium. Premillenialists (or "premils") believe that the world will get worse and worse. Therefore, he disagrees with Jeff Durbin who is a "postmilllenialist" (or "postmil") who thinks the nations will be won over to Christ via the proclamation of the gospel.
@@erickinho1BRA interesting, this is something I've given little thought to. I know Revelations talks about this. Just felt it was out of my control. What's the theological weight of the argument?
@@motoosoteo6219 Well in some sense everything is out of our control. In another sense, God uses certain things (or "means") to accomplish His sovereign plan (in this case, He uses His people to preach His gospel to the world and thereby win the whole world to Himself). I'm not sure what you mean by "theological weight". Do you mean what is the argument for this point of view or what is its significance for the daily life?
Christian conservatives talk about how much the love the constitution. But when it comes to separation of church and state they stick their fingers in there ears. America is a secular nation. You could believe or not believe in anything you want. So what happens to the kids who believe or don’t believe in the Christian god. So let’s say tomorrow boom every public school is Christian and teaches the Bible. If a kid is Jewish or Muslim what are they going to do. Their parents can’t take them out of school and put them in a different school
I’m all for Christian nations. But just not Roman or Protestant nations. True historical Christianity with its traditions.
I agree, Orthodox Christianity ☦
@@larryjake7783 amen brother
Pastor Jeff should have someone contact Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson
Glad they can at least admit they're apart of a different religion/sect now where religion and politics go hand and hand. Not sure why they dislike Islam so much seems they got a lot more in common then they realize. Good for them.
True true, calvinist are on step into being the Christian Islam
You know what’s sad. I’ve read every main stream biblical text and the satanic bible actually teaches you to be good to others and accept everyone’s beliefs and to treat animals with respect and kindness
I prefer ethnic nationalism i.e national socialism
😮 yeah that's going to cause major problems
Lol @ literal naziism
@@MrWill9894 so?
@@larryjake7783 And which would those be?
@lexle does it really have to be explained to you why naziism is bad? Are you a child?
I support Catholic Nationalism
Move to the Vatican then
@@MrWill9894 I'd rather spread mother Church's truth and glory.
@Calvin Holt I’d rather not share space with people who want to force their religion onto me, thanks
@@MrWill9894 are you against truth?
@Calvin Holt no, I’m very much pro-truth. Of course, religion isn’t truth, and even if it were, it would still be wrong to privilege one religion over another.
As for me and my house, we will never serve your never-returning Lord.
No one is forcing you to...
@@homelesspoet I'd like to keep it that way.
So why can atheists shut down religious arguments?
Using science, logic, religious text itself and just facts.
There is plenty of channels who debate, debunk, make responses.
And religious people can do os say “feelings”, “I don’t understand so it must be God.”
And then why can’t God answer my Prayers?
Why do I have no friends?
Social life?
Job?
No future career now, so a failure?
For laws of the universe to be used against God and prove he doesn’t exist or even worse Gods word against him.
Where is his love?
I haven’t felt it, and o e asked for it.
Why make me go from a believer to a massive doubter?
The life long atheists he doesn’t help, who die not believing?
The impossible stories of the Bible such as Noah’s Ark, they replica of it in Kentucky, they were originally going to put animals in it but realised it was to difficult, (and this was from a sorry about 8 people who looked after all these animals.)
And they have electric, plumbing, A.C. and such in to the Ark.
Is it not obvious?
What’s your views on demonic possession?
What if it just Dissociative identity disorder (DID) and you could just go to a doctor?
Don’t you think the people pushing the demonic stuff is just delusional?
Today a blind man boarded a bus and a man gave his seat up for him;
Do you believe that was a good thing or a bad thing to do?