My mom was in Denver visiting one of my sisters and her family. She was supposed to come home on that flight but she woke up sick that morning and couldn't make the flight. When we heard what happened, we were stunned.
@@FryingTiger 🙄To suggest that his father's death was somehow his fault is just ridiculous. For one thing he was a kid - and he did say something to his Dad (oh I guess Dad killed himself didn't he🤦♂) . Its not up to the children on a flight to manage safety protocol. The icing part plainly fell on the captain not getting clearance to taxi. However it was BOTH the pilot's incompetence and to some extent the co-pilots last employer's withholding the truth about his abilities that sealed the fate of Continental Flight 1713. 🙄 How did you miss all that?
I just had to comment and hope someone that is responsible for the reenactments in this program sees it. The reenactments are unbelievably amazing. The effort put in is just amazing. Great, great show. Thank you!
One minor factor, not mentioned, is that the DC-9-14 had no leading-edge slats like later DC-9 variants. This actually made it more prone to icing than later variants. This may explain the 20-knot difference in required takeoff speed mentioned in the video.
That was the first crash that the NTSB recommended better background checks on pilots like Lee Brucher. Sadly, it took 3 more accidents and the death of 44 more people before the FAA acted and then came Atlas Air Flight 3591 in 2019.
It's insane that in conclusion, that plane never stood a chance. Ice build up, over-rotation, and inexperienced pilots. A formula for true disaster, especially in a snowstorm.
DO NOT FLY in bad weather. Remember Carol Lombard? Society's aviation hubris must stop and start taking safe High Speed Trains (HSTs) for long distance land travel. Japanese 200 mph bullet trains since 1964: ZERO fatalities.
@@dynmicpara How much does it cost for your choo-choo trains, their tracks, and their stations, and how easy is it to change destinations of the tracks when new stops need to be added? Such as making a hard right turn on new tracks for another thousand miles or so? America is just a tad larger than Japan if you hadn't noticed.
I have an interesting perspective on how lift in an airplane works. My father was a private pilot and we'd fly in Piper cubs, Cessna 150s, 172s and 180s among other small aircraft. The Cessna's were aluminum skin and had been flown a million miles so they were pretty clapped out and loose. So when my father would perform a stall, you could hear an oil can click noise just as the plane without drop. So even though there's flow across the top surface, there's still a bubble of low pressure grabbing, attached to, gripping the top surface of the wing, holding the plane up in the sky. When the bubble of low pressure would let go, that's when you'd hear the oil can noise. It changes how you understand what's going on and gives a cool perspective. Just thought I'd share that:)
At the beginning of the clip when the Captain let the FO have the leg, I was surprised he didnt take it himself; I assumed it was because they had flown together a lot and that he trusted him.
The first officer also had not flown in nearly a month before the accident. One of the flight attendants had a bad premonition when she first saw how young the first officer was. She thought:"Lord, I hope he's not flying us!" There were also inappropriate jokes and banter between the two before take off
@user-gb4ny5sy7l Stapleton was definitely easier to access as a resident of Denver, but DIA was built initially for future expansion and renovation. Here we are.
Except it wasn’t just one. I count at least 4 - 6 if you include the captain’s poor judgement and continental’s failure to match crew. 1. Hired poor pilot. 2. Failed to request permission to taxi. 3. Took too long between de-icing and take-off. 4. Over rotated on take-off. 5. Captain used poor judgement. 6. The airline failed to match experienced captains with inexperienced 1st officer. It’s always a chain of errors. Break one link and the accident doesn’t occur. This is what I always consider the real tragedy of these accidents. All they have to do is break one link in the chain.
I think what really makes these videos great is how every actor perfectly portrays the sense of inevitable doom. Every one of them looks pensive, as if flight had just been achieved the week before.
Every single accident makes the entire industry that much safer! Because of all the accidents, and the subsequent regulations and changes, flying is one of the safest methods of passenger transportation in the world!
I think the NTSB made some good recommendations at the end, but I was shocked that no recommendations were made regarding ATC losing track of the aircraft on the ground. This mistake by ATC cost the DC 9 precious minutes. (edit) It seems the DC 9 never asked for taxi clearance. I think ATC is off the hook for this actually.
They determined that the fatal plane was not clearing their movements so the tower couldn't keep track of them. All said, having the corresponder display, like they do for in-flight planes, would help.
@@morganseppy5180, I believe that there is a limit on how many aircraft transponders can be simultaneously operating on the ground. Get too many going simultaneously and the computer systems get frozen up with too much data.
I don't think you ever get over the deaths of your parents. I haven't. I didn't lose mine suddenly through anything like a plane crash but I lost the both young. 12:05 Watching Jason tell his story from that day, how he didn't want to leave there. The emotion in his recollection, that was real. I felt that.
I see you know how this works. A lot of people complain because they don't know these episodes have to have their run on cable before they can be licensed here.
Wow, it caused all of those people who died their lives to learn this lesson. The next time I ever get on an airplane I will have this on the back of my mind.
Mark, try not to worry much. This was a long time ago in the 80's We have better pilot's good CRM, ground radar and so on. Oh better deicing fluid. Just fly with a good airlines and you should be ok. Good luck!
One thing I've learned from this series is don't fly in foul weather. Have deicing trucks sitting at the end of the runway to provide deicing at the last moment to stop ice from reforming in the time between the gate and takeoff. Put cameras up around the airport that ground controllers can rely on in conditions where the tower can no longer see. Maybe ground detectors that can track aircraft and vehicles on the runways and taxiways that can provide a real time display of ground traffic.
Back in late 80's on an AC flight from Toronto Pearson to Timmins, Ontario on Boarding I noticed the DC-9 wings needed de-icing due to a clear ice formation. We pushed back and started taxying to the runway which caused me to stand up and get the attention of the flight attendants. I explained that unless we got de-iced, why I would open a door and get off with my wife in tow and that as a pilot I knew what I was talking about. She ran to the front and a few moments later we stopped taxying. The captain came on the PA and explained we would make a detour to the de-icing pad and that our takeoff would be delayed for a few minutes. The flight attendant came back and thanked me for my actions. This was after Air Ontario crashed in Dryden, Ont. after a failure to de-ice their jet.
This is a textbook example of why we need to change laws regarding past employee’s job performance, without the previous employer fearing being sued. The copilot had no business flying as he was woefully incompetent. The pilot wasn’t skilled enough in a DC9 to allow a copilot to take charge & the weather didn’t help. Industries that service the public should have much, much more stringent hiring policies as well as properly vetting who should work together. The airlines aren’t the only ones who should do better in insuring passenger safety. Doctors & surgeons should know each other’s background as well as the background of their staff, train conductors should be tested regularly as well as ship’s crews on barges & cruise lines. If an employer cannot get an honest assessment of a new hire’s background from the previous employer due to fear of being sued, perhaps they should worry more about a class action lawsuit from the victims. An airline should never be sued by an ex employee if that employee is incapable of performing their job safely & orderly.
Yeah it is BS that a business is not allowed to be honest and truthful and say anything bad about a former employee. They really need to fix that in our country if they were the worst employee in the world I should be allowed to tell their perspective future employer that they were the worst employee in the world but in our country that's not legal
Agreed. I have had to relieve employees of their job and the only question I used to be able to answer but no longer can answer is “would we be willing to rehire this individual?” I’m not allowed too for “privacy reasons”. It’s ridiculous.
@@venetianjack1348 I was about to make the same comment when I saw yours. When I worked in HR, we were able to divulge whether an employee was eligible for rehire or not; sorry to know that this is no longer allowed.
Until far better level D flight simulators were created you had to provide adverse weather training experiences to your co-pilot somehow . Now that level D flight simulators have significantly advanced as far as trainees experiencing adverse weather situations the need to have copilots experience in real world situations might have been lessened. In addition we now have the potential to have video systems and sensor systems that would provide significant information about icing conditions before the start of a takeoff roll to the flight crew. Another positive is that there have been some advancements in aviation voice communication radio systems and pilot headsets that combine to help make it easier for a listener to clearly hear the voice communications.
@@davidhoffman1278 everything you stated is correct. I’ve been flying for 25 years, there is not substitute for time in the seat. My responsibility as captain is to minimize risk, as such, in very severe weather, I drive.
A bit hilarious that this episode is titled DEAD OF WINTER considering this accident occurred on the 15th of NOVEMBER….Which, even in Colorado, is technically right in the middle of FALL!
There are systems that can heat the leading edges using engine bleed air or electricity powered heating systems, but you can't employ them for the rest of the wing areas.
It would be possible, but very expensive and highly impractical to install a 100% de-icing system on an aircraft when it would only be needed for 0.01% of operations. On-ground pre-takeoff deicing works well, when it is applied correctly and in a timely manner.
"You're never going to save everybody" That's something I hope to never hear from a person that's supposed to be rescuing me. Of course I see his point but as a rescuer you have to believe that every single, last person can be saved. Until after it's all over and you couldn't. You have to try nonetheless.
19:42 Their image of wingtip vortices is incorrect. They STOP being created as soon as the tires are supporting the plane, so only halfway down the runway at worst, not all the way to a stop as shown. And departing aircraft would not be off the ground yet at that point on their runway.
Would you please do an episode of Flight 759 Pan AM July 9,1982 that crashed soon after take off from a wind burst and all 145 passengers were killed and 8 people on the ground because it crashed into houses in a neighborhood. I just found out about it online.
I eas in US Matines in Memphis Tenn in 1982. I would watch the training pilots for civilian aircraft practicing touch and goes. So many botched landings
IF they were small General Aviation pilots training then that is the nature of GA flight training for the most part. Learn to do decently by surviving from doing somewhat poorly. It's somewhat sad that we don't have a single common pilot training aircraft in the USA that would help support a common level D flight simulator that could be used by all civilian pilot training schools. I imagine having a common level D flight simulator for the Cessna 172.
Used to routinely pass under the runways or taxiways at Stapleton going to and from work on the highway. Made me cringe every time a plane was just SITTING there, it's passengers watching the cars passing. I hate bridges and that was just a huge, ugly bridge of concrete and jumbo jet just waiting to fall on my head! 😬
While waiting to take off from Denver, my plane was deiced 3 times.. 1st time deiced after backing away from the gate, 2nd time after setting for 30 minutes, 3rd time after waiting to get a strobe light seal fixed, that antifreeze leaked into first class seating.. The funny thing, one flight was held back due to fog. Visibility was 1/3 mile.. In Sacramento, California flights take off in near zero visibility.. That flight was a God send. By the time it was good to fly, it was 11:30 pm a 6-1/2 hour delay. It was about one passenger per 12 seats. A female decided to sit next to me, she was a deputy sheriff from Broward County Florida, going to Hawaii.. With the cabin darken, and a blanket covering us, we got nasty.. We became members of the mile high club. Good times..
That wasn't at Dulles international. Rather it was at KDCA (Ronald Reagan National airport) the runway at Reagan is just before the 14th Street bridge where the plane hit
I have been an avid flying passenger for over 40 years. But now every day if it's not a door plug blowing out of the frame, an engine cowling ripping from its mount or a pilot copilot that is totally clue less with 36 thousand hrs between them in the news my flying days are over. Love the show , especially the episode where the install TV monitors in the cabin so passengers can see what the pilots see as they take off veer left back into the ground with full tank of jet fuel, I'm gonna watch myself die today in slow motion😢
So this is the one time in history, where the building engineers and The Architects were absolutely and completely 100% wrong that these buildings were resistant to the Collision of an aircraft. These building designs were an utter and complete failure and should have never been built it's pretty evident these Engineers never took into consideration that concrete, while it is strong, is very very weak to shock. They can't take a Shockwave very well. I saw this in a test about 20 years ago. It was a very simple test they had two 10 foot slabs of concrete. They were 6 ft wide. They were standing on end representing the height of a single story. Another slab of concrete that did not have rebar in them laid on top of the two pieces of slabs of concrete. The concrete slab was the same thickness as a standard building floor. And then the engineers suspended a bowling ball about 10 ft about the center of the top piece of slab of concrete period of the engineer dropped the bowling ball and the Shockwave to the concrete fractured the concrete right in half and it fell between the two slabs of concrete that was holding it. Every single floor fractured into tiny little pieces of concrete. Most of it turned into dust grinding up the bodies and the furniture
I hate flying. As a "gear head" I always look at the mechanical aspect of accidents like this. When you're on a train or a bus or a car if there is a mechanical issue the train can usually come to a stop, a car or bus can slow down and pull over in most cases. But on a plane, when you have a mechanical failure (or any failure that causes a crash).....you fall from thousands of feet making it very unlikely for survival. So while no plane crash is good, if I were to be on a plane that crashes I would much rather is be on takeoff or during landing. This way emergency crews are on site in seconds, not hours or days. Plus the plane is much more likely to be in tact vs falling from the sky or flying into a mountain where the plane disintegrates on impact.
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My mom was in Denver visiting one of my sisters and her family. She was supposed to come home on that flight but she woke up sick that morning and couldn't make the flight. When we heard what happened, we were stunned.
I can't imagine surviving a plane crash as a teenager, only to find out my father didn't survive. I hope Jason is living a good life, wherever he is.
I'll let you ride me til the morning mommy
He’s rich he’s fine
Also that you noticed the ice and didn't say something to one of the crew.
@@FryingTiger 🙄To suggest that his father's death was somehow his fault is just ridiculous. For one thing he was a kid - and he did say something to his Dad (oh I guess Dad killed himself didn't he🤦♂) . Its not up to the children on a flight to manage safety protocol. The icing part plainly fell on the captain not getting clearance to taxi. However it was BOTH the pilot's incompetence and to some extent the co-pilots last employer's withholding the truth about his abilities that sealed the fate of Continental Flight 1713. 🙄 How did you miss all that?
@@christianhoffman7407well said 👍🏼
I just had to comment and hope someone that is responsible for the reenactments in this program sees it. The reenactments are unbelievably amazing. The effort put in is just amazing. Great, great show. Thank you!
YESSS
Yes I agree!
Except using the same actors over and over
@@UzziHD I honestly never noticed that
@@shulamite7625 yea when you binge the show you start to notice it happens a lot with the pilots especially.
One minor factor, not mentioned, is that the DC-9-14 had no leading-edge slats like later DC-9 variants. This actually made it more prone to icing than later variants. This may explain the 20-knot difference in required takeoff speed mentioned in the video.
This accident occurred when Continental was hiring pilots during a pilot strike. A lot of unqualified pilots were hired during that strike! Sad!
Yeah, and it costs lives. Hope they were sued into bankruptcy.
@@kevinmalone3210 Continental merged with United Airlines in 2010.
The then-president of Continental was hiring pilots at rock bottom wages and got many who nobody else would hire. You get what you pay for.
You didn’t watch the video. The accident was caused by the atc.
Now let's start hiring based only on DEI .....
That was the first crash that the NTSB recommended better background checks on pilots like Lee Brucher. Sadly, it took 3 more accidents and the death of 44 more people before the FAA acted and then came Atlas Air Flight 3591 in 2019.
Probably the only investigators who can play with toys on the job
The pilots of Delta Airlines Flight 1142 actually talked about this accident during their violation of the sterile cockpit rule.
It's insane that in conclusion, that plane never stood a chance. Ice build up, over-rotation, and inexperienced pilots. A formula for true disaster, especially in a snowstorm.
DO NOT FLY in bad weather. Remember Carol Lombard? Society's aviation hubris must stop and start taking safe High Speed Trains (HSTs) for long distance land travel. Japanese 200 mph bullet trains since 1964: ZERO fatalities.
@@dynmicpara How much does it cost for your choo-choo trains, their tracks, and their stations, and how easy is it to change destinations of the tracks when new stops need to be added? Such as making a hard right turn on new tracks for another thousand miles or so? America is just a tad larger than Japan if you hadn't noticed.
The pilot had worked for Continental almost 19yrs...that isn't inexperienced.
I have an interesting perspective on how lift in an airplane works. My father was a private pilot and we'd fly in Piper cubs, Cessna 150s, 172s and 180s among other small aircraft. The Cessna's were aluminum skin and had been flown a million miles so they were pretty clapped out and loose. So when my father would perform a stall, you could hear an oil can click noise just as the plane without drop. So even though there's flow across the top surface, there's still a bubble of low pressure grabbing, attached to, gripping the top surface of the wing, holding the plane up in the sky. When the bubble of low pressure would let go, that's when you'd hear the oil can noise. It changes how you understand what's going on and gives a cool perspective. Just thought I'd share that:)
At the beginning of the clip when the Captain let the FO have the leg, I was surprised he didnt take it himself; I assumed it was because they had flown together a lot and that he trusted him.
That truly was fascinating. The NTSB did a spectacular job on putting together the pieces of the puzzle. Not an easy solution, that's for sure.
i love watching the investigating part
The first officer also had not flown in nearly a month before the accident. One of the flight attendants had a bad premonition when she first saw how young the first officer was. She thought:"Lord, I hope he's not flying us!" There were also inappropriate jokes and banter between the two before take off
Talk about a constellation of problems waiting to become a disaster. What a shame. 29 lives lost for no reason at all.
@@higherresolution4490 So true. It amazes me that these tragedies occur through simple human errors.
Almost like Delta Flight 1141 B727
Frequent flyer out of DEN. Never regret not ever having the Stapleton experience
Stapleton was a great airport and one of the few that actually made money. I fly in and out of DEN all the time but miss Stapleton
@user-gb4ny5sy7l Stapleton was definitely easier to access as a resident of Denver, but DIA was built initially for future expansion and renovation. Here we are.
I've done both Stapleton and the new one and I actually like Stapleton more.
Its interesing and unique to me about how this plane crashed. Its crazy how one mistake with could really cause devastation.
Same
Except it wasn’t just one. I count at least 4 - 6 if you include the captain’s poor judgement and continental’s failure to match crew. 1. Hired poor pilot. 2. Failed to request permission to taxi. 3. Took too long between de-icing and take-off. 4. Over rotated on take-off. 5. Captain used poor judgement. 6. The airline failed to match experienced captains with inexperienced 1st officer.
It’s always a chain of errors. Break one link and the accident doesn’t occur. This is what I always consider the real tragedy of these accidents. All they have to do is break one link in the chain.
I think what really makes these videos great is how every actor perfectly portrays the sense of inevitable doom. Every one of them looks pensive, as if flight had just been achieved the week before.
The more that I watch these shows it makes me think that it's much safer to drive with my 95 year old mama!
Every single accident makes the entire industry that much safer! Because of all the accidents, and the subsequent regulations and changes, flying is one of the safest methods of passenger transportation in the world!
That may be true, but not in the case of mentally deteriorating captains.
Well this was a different time @@Lisa1111
I am never getting on a plane again!!!
@@tarawilson4331 but like why
12:29 - "You're never gonna be able to save everybody"
Captain Sully: "Ahem."
37:18 - That's usually someone who is going to be fired but given an opportunity to quit/resign.
My heart goes out to Jason. Losing your dad hurts I know. But losing your dad unexpectedly In a plane crash must hurt so much.
It does not take much snow, ice, or even heavy frost to alter the smooth flow of air across the top of the wings.
nor would a little bring it down aone
I think the NTSB made some good recommendations at the end, but I was shocked that no recommendations were made regarding ATC losing track of the aircraft on the ground. This mistake by ATC cost the DC 9 precious minutes. (edit) It seems the DC 9 never asked for taxi clearance. I think ATC is off the hook for this actually.
They determined that the fatal plane was not clearing their movements so the tower couldn't keep track of them.
All said, having the corresponder display, like they do for in-flight planes, would help.
@@morganseppy5180,
I believe that there is a limit on how many aircraft transponders can be simultaneously operating on the ground. Get too many going simultaneously and the computer systems get frozen up with too much data.
@@davidhoffman1278 surely that is no longer an issue like it was in the 80s and 90s. Might be too much interference.
I don't think you ever get over the deaths of your parents. I haven't. I didn't lose mine suddenly through anything like a plane crash but I lost the both young. 12:05 Watching Jason tell his story from that day, how he didn't want to leave there. The emotion in his recollection, that was real. I felt that.
I’m so sorry Jason. until you meet again.
Last Episode from Season 18 to upload-- until Season 19(2019) becomes available to upload, we’re probably getting reuploads for awhile…
I see you know how this works. A lot of people complain because they don't know these episodes have to have their run on cable before they can be licensed here.
This show is fascinating
I've been obsessed for the past couple of days
Wow, it caused all of those people who died their lives to learn this lesson.
The next time I ever get on an airplane I will have this on the back of my mind.
Mark, try not to worry much. This was a long time ago in the 80's We have better pilot's good CRM, ground radar and so on. Oh better deicing fluid. Just fly with a good airlines and you should be ok. Good luck!
Always love a new video! Been watchin this channel wayyy too much lol 😂 crazy videos!
One thing I've learned from this series is don't fly in foul weather.
Have deicing trucks sitting at the end of the runway to provide deicing at the last moment to stop ice from reforming in the time between the gate and takeoff. Put cameras up around the airport that ground controllers can rely on in conditions where the tower can no longer see. Maybe ground detectors that can track aircraft and vehicles on the runways and taxiways that can provide a real time display of ground traffic.
You’re really questioning your life choices when you’re sitting in economy on a continental flight to Boise.
Yeah, that was well before Boise became one of the fastest growing cities in the nation.
Back in late 80's on an AC flight from Toronto Pearson to Timmins, Ontario on Boarding I noticed the DC-9 wings needed de-icing due to a clear ice formation. We pushed back and started taxying to the runway which caused me to stand up and get the attention of the flight attendants. I explained that unless we got de-iced, why I would open a door and get off with my wife in tow and that as a pilot I knew what I was talking about. She ran to the front and a few moments later we stopped taxying. The captain came on the PA and explained we would make a detour to the de-icing pad and that our takeoff would be delayed for a few minutes. The flight attendant came back and thanked me for my actions. This was after Air Ontario crashed in Dryden, Ont. after a failure to de-ice their jet.
You really have to give the first responders and NTSB investigaters praise for doing their jobs ❤
The perfect storm for disaster.
What a horrible thing to happen to the people in that plane.
This controller needs to work in FL where there is no ice! But bet even there, he find something to mess up on!
These videos are really not helping with my fear of flying
So true! I shouldn’t be watching these videos
Jason, I’m so sorry for your loss of your dad watching this video gives me anxiety for you. God bless only time heals a broken heart.
so sad my heart goes out to his dad very sorry for his great loss
So, actually the lawyers killed the people on that flight.
Many such cases! Very sad!
Pretty much, yes. Although, the captain could have prevented it too, IMO. Continental too, for that matter, if they took better care matching crew.
I hope Jason is doing okay today. It's unfortunate he lost his dad that day.
At least it wasn't in the middle of the Andes.
Maybe try deicing right before takeoff instead of ten min prior
This is a textbook example of why we need to change laws regarding past employee’s job performance, without the previous employer fearing being sued. The copilot had no business flying as he was woefully incompetent. The pilot wasn’t skilled enough in a DC9 to allow a copilot to take charge & the weather didn’t help. Industries that service the public should have much, much more stringent hiring policies as well as properly vetting who should work together. The airlines aren’t the only ones who should do better in insuring passenger safety. Doctors & surgeons should know each other’s background as well as the background of their staff, train conductors should be tested regularly as well as ship’s crews on barges & cruise lines. If an employer cannot get an honest assessment of a new hire’s background from the previous employer due to fear of being sued, perhaps they should worry more about a class action lawsuit from the victims. An airline should never be sued by an ex employee if that employee is incapable of performing their job safely & orderly.
Yeah it is BS that a business is not allowed to be honest and truthful and say anything bad about a former employee. They really need to fix that in our country if they were the worst employee in the world I should be allowed to tell their perspective future employer that they were the worst employee in the world but in our country that's not legal
Agreed.
I have had to relieve employees of their job and the only question I used to be able to answer but no longer can answer is “would we be willing to rehire this individual?” I’m not allowed too for “privacy reasons”.
It’s ridiculous.
Yeah then you're on the other end of that stick when a vindictive employer screws up your work history. It's a mess that I'm not sure how to fix.
@@venetianjack1348 I was about to make the same comment when I saw yours. When I worked in HR, we were able to divulge whether an employee was eligible for rehire or not; sorry to know that this is no longer allowed.
I mean it has its pros and cons
The captain should be on the controls in unfavorable weather conditions.
AGREED
Until far better level D flight simulators were created you had to provide adverse weather training experiences to your co-pilot somehow . Now that level D flight simulators have significantly advanced as far as trainees experiencing adverse weather situations the need to have copilots experience in real world situations might have been lessened. In addition we now have the potential to have video systems and sensor systems that would provide significant information about icing conditions before the start of a takeoff roll to the flight crew. Another positive is that there have been some advancements in aviation voice communication radio systems and pilot headsets that combine to help make it easier for a listener to clearly hear the voice communications.
@@davidhoffman1278 everything you stated is correct. I’ve been flying for 25 years, there is not substitute for time in the seat.
My responsibility as captain is to minimize risk, as such, in very severe weather, I drive.
I grew up 3 blocks from Stapleton. The planes flew over our house several times a day.
A bit hilarious that this episode is titled DEAD OF WINTER considering this accident occurred on the 15th of NOVEMBER….Which, even in Colorado, is technically right in the middle of FALL!
Flight 875, 17113, barely get off ground but cleared for takeoff.
All those lives on the hands of 2 idiots
26:04 wow that MD-80 model sure looks a lot like a 747.
Can't they heat the wings surfaces so that they won't ice up? I've always wondered about that.
There are systems that can heat the leading edges using engine bleed air or electricity powered heating systems, but you can't employ them for the rest of the wing areas.
It would be possible, but very expensive and highly impractical to install a 100% de-icing system on an aircraft when it would only be needed for 0.01% of operations. On-ground pre-takeoff deicing works well, when it is applied correctly and in a timely manner.
Water weighs a ton a cubic yard.
1,685.6 pounds, to be exact. You bring up a very good point concerning the conditions they were flying in.
I have never understood why everybody has to start screaming, have been in two helo crashes, we definately did not start screaming.
You surely realize this isn’t actually footage… right?
Yes I do realize that.
Some people are screamers, some people are bracers. Just the way some people are wired i.e. rollercoasters
FLYING MUST BE MADE SAFE NO MATTER THE COST!!!! NO SHORT CUTS ALLOWED, EVER!!!!!!
I totally agree!!! It’s a shame that they try to save money but put lives in danger
"You're never going to save everybody" That's something I hope to never hear from a person that's supposed to be rescuing me. Of course I see his point but as a rescuer you have to believe that every single, last person can be saved. Until after it's all over and you couldn't. You have to try nonetheless.
19:42 Their image of wingtip vortices is incorrect. They STOP being created as soon as the tires are supporting the plane, so only halfway down the runway at worst, not all the way to a stop as shown. And departing aircraft would not be off the ground yet at that point on their runway.
Would you please do an episode of Flight 759 Pan AM July 9,1982 that crashed soon after take off from a wind burst and all 145 passengers were killed and 8 people on the ground because it crashed into houses in a neighborhood. I just found out about it online.
in snowy weather pilots need to start carrying an egg timer to keep track of the deiceing window...
I eas in US Matines in Memphis Tenn in 1982. I would watch the training pilots for civilian aircraft practicing touch and goes. So many botched landings
IF they were small General Aviation pilots training then that is the nature of GA flight training for the most part. Learn to do decently by surviving from doing somewhat poorly. It's somewhat sad that we don't have a single common pilot training aircraft in the USA that would help support a common level D flight simulator that could be used by all civilian pilot training schools.
I imagine having a common level D flight simulator for the Cessna 172.
Thank you.
Used to routinely pass under the runways or taxiways at Stapleton going to and from work on the highway. Made me cringe every time a plane was just SITTING there, it's passengers watching the cars passing. I hate bridges and that was just a huge, ugly bridge of concrete and jumbo jet just waiting to fall on my head! 😬
far too much workload placed on the controllers it was an accident waiting to happen.
A bat hitting a ball doesn’t cause the bat to catch fire and self destruct . Same goes for a skyscraper and a plane
Well, who died? The pilots? Flight attendants? We know some passengers did. . .
While waiting to take off from Denver, my plane was deiced 3 times..
1st time deiced after backing away from the gate,
2nd time after setting for 30 minutes,
3rd time after waiting to get a strobe light seal fixed, that antifreeze leaked into first class seating..
The funny thing, one flight was held back due to fog.
Visibility was 1/3 mile..
In Sacramento, California flights take off in near zero visibility..
That flight was a God send.
By the time it was good to fly, it was 11:30 pm a 6-1/2 hour delay.
It was about one passenger per 12 seats.
A female decided to sit next to me, she was a deputy sheriff from Broward County Florida, going to Hawaii..
With the cabin darken, and a blanket covering us, we got nasty..
We became members of the mile high club.
Good times..
21:55 I bet this guy studied many maths when he was in school.
I don't think I have seen this one. 😊
One small thing balloons into a myriad of issues unfortunately resulting in deaths
They should have hired a pilot from Aerosucre. Those guys never pull back the yoke😂😂
wait... they are still making new videos?!
This flight is s similar to Air Florida 90 at Dulles airport
That wasn't at Dulles international. Rather it was at KDCA (Ronald Reagan National airport) the runway at Reagan is just before the 14th Street bridge where the plane hit
@@brianstringfellow8241 I'm sorry you are right
The real root cause was the fucked up traffic control situation.
Luv these shows but God bless the people who perished
Never would have happened on my watch.
Now days, they will not fly in the snow. No way jose
I have been an avid flying passenger for over 40 years. But now every day if it's not a door plug blowing out of the frame, an engine cowling ripping from its mount or a pilot copilot that is totally clue less with 36 thousand hrs between them in the news my flying days are over. Love the show , especially the episode where the install TV monitors in the cabin so passengers can see what the pilots see as they take off veer left back into the ground with full tank of jet fuel, I'm gonna watch myself die today in slow motion😢
Too much filler. Video was much longer than it deserved to be. 👎
Hope they sued Continental Airlines
If I was going on to it I'm gonna say nah I 'm good and thank you
Cut-off saw on aluminum doesn’t make sparks.
If that's true then maybe it wasn't aluminum
how is it anyone like that co pilot even gets a license, let alone get hired.
Perfect storm....of incompetence
Get used to it ,now..
DEI....is a thing
A DEI 'malfunction'.......
How would you like to have a job that if you make the smallest mistake hundreds of people could lose their life. I couldn't do it, that's for sure.
Jason 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I'm never going skiing again!!!!!!!
But what about that bang? They never said anything about it.
What was the bang ? They heard a bang, was it the wing hitting the ground?
The back of the plane
I will never fly in a snowstorm.
Last time I flew on a plane was 1991, that was enough for me, never again, I’ll leave flying to the birds
This was in the 80s. Why are you afraid
So this is the one time in history, where the building engineers and The Architects were absolutely and completely 100% wrong that these buildings were resistant to the Collision of an aircraft. These building designs were an utter and complete failure and should have never been built it's pretty evident these Engineers never took into consideration that concrete, while it is strong, is very very weak to shock. They can't take a Shockwave very well. I saw this in a test about 20 years ago. It was a very simple test they had two 10 foot slabs of concrete. They were 6 ft wide. They were standing on end representing the height of a single story. Another slab of concrete that did not have rebar in them laid on top of the two pieces of slabs of concrete. The concrete slab was the same thickness as a standard building floor. And then the engineers suspended a bowling ball about 10 ft about the center of the top piece of slab of concrete period of the engineer dropped the bowling ball and the Shockwave to the concrete fractured the concrete right in half and it fell between the two slabs of concrete that was holding it. Every single floor fractured into tiny little pieces of concrete. Most of it turned into dust grinding up the bodies and the furniture
What you talking about
Oh i remember this one! Thanks for uploading! ❤
Im assuming the pilots died even though the cockpit looked intact
I will never fly while it snows
Ice..
I hate flying. As a "gear head" I always look at the mechanical aspect of accidents like this. When you're on a train or a bus or a car if there is a mechanical issue the train can usually come to a stop, a car or bus can slow down and pull over in most cases. But on a plane, when you have a mechanical failure (or any failure that causes a crash).....you fall from thousands of feet making it very unlikely for survival. So while no plane crash is good, if I were to be on a plane that crashes I would much rather is be on takeoff or during landing. This way emergency crews are on site in seconds, not hours or days. Plus the plane is much more likely to be in tact vs falling from the sky or flying into a mountain where the plane disintegrates on impact.
Trains > Planes.
I have a fear of flying and have to be sedated to fly. I’d always take a train over plane.
Yup...there's no fender-benders in the sky.
19,515 people died in car accidents last year in the US alone. Way fewer died in airplane crashes
Are these the original ppls?
No 😭
15:51 Woman voice says "you are NB 80" Pilot answers negative sir.
8 commercials on this video. Totally absurd
What caused the airplane to crash
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