Important Things to Know Before Buying a Big Dog Motorcycle.
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2021
- Important Things to Know Before Buying a Big Dog Motorcycle. I'll Sell This One for $11,000
When you are looking at buying a different motorcycle and you think about a Big Dog Motorcycle. Here are a few items you will need to know before you make that purchase.
First off, the prices on these very wildly. You can get one that needs everything replaced, but you can hear it run. You can expect to pay about 8k or so for that level. The more "proper" after market goodies on it, can make the price on these hit 12K to $15K. What are "proper" after market goodies you ask, well here is a list.
*The ESC and wiring from the factory is garbage. If you want a great running and starting bike, you will need to install a completely new computer and wiring harness at a cost of $835. You can expect to pay another $500 to have it installed - if you can find someone that is willing to work on it. Here in Eastern Tennessee, most bike repair shops refuse to work on Big Dog Motorcycles (BDM). So if you end up doing this yourself you can expect it to take 5 to 7 hours.
*Next is the that back tire. It is a pain to get these motorcycles to turn when going through corners. They have a 300 series tire on them and they cost $500 to replace that back tire. And you will need to replace it every 7K to 10K miles.
*The third thing is that factory starter. This specific bike still have the factory starter on it (it has been rebuild). However, the factory starter on these bike do not have enough torque to turn the bike over. And most of the time you will either get a clickclickclickclcick sound or it just not turn over at all. A high torque starter runs $600 and they are fairly easy to change out.
*The fourth thing to be aware of is the factory Speedo. They die out often. I have not seen a working factory speedo for some time. Most people change them over to Dakota Digital Dash. They are awesome, the down side is most people do not adjust the mileage so the miles on the motor is usually higher than what the speedo states.
*The fifth is the Clutch. If you have never rode a bike with a manual clutch, please make sure you at least ride any bike with a manual clutch before considering a Big Dog. The clutch is so hard to pull in, it takes most of the fun out from riding this bike.
*The sixth item is the Head Gasket, you MUST let these bikes warm up. You CANNOT just jump on and go for a ride. Lesson learned, I fired up my old one, went out for a quick spin, gunned it out the driveway and pop went the head gasket. They must sit for five minutes running before you jump on to ride.
*The last time to know is POWER, you will need to keep the bike on trickle charge ALL THE TIME. We installed a new battery, and with in two days it was drained, so we learned it must be trickle charged when not riding.
*The upside are these are GREAT looking bikes and you will get complements everywhere you go. Even die hard Harley riders will give you thumbs up.
*They have GREAT power, once you get this puppy moving, there is not much to stop it
They actually are fun to ride, just make sure you go slow in corners.
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Been wanting a k9 forever. This has me thinking about it
Dude did not mention any "pro's"!!
You don't need to choke a Big Dog, all you have to do with a carb unit is crack the throttle two times and hit the start button and it will fire right up if someone hasn't screwed with the carb
I was gonna say the same thing
Is this also the way to go with a S&S engine with a carb?
I've owned a 2006 Pitbull the last 4 years and I really enjoy it. I changed the EHC and the charging system, rotor, stator, and voltage regulator with no further problems. I always put the battery tender on the night before I'm going to ride. Your electrical componets will always work better with a fully charged battery.
My 06 Chopper starts great with no electrical issues, but i did need to replace the speedo with a digital. I recommend a rear tire no larger than 250.
I have had nothing but problems with my 2006 Big Dog K9 which I bought brand new from Pat Clarke Motorcycles in Las Vegas, I have since dumped the EHC and completely rewired it and changed the decompressors to manual, I have also changed the speedo, controls and indicators and it now starts and runs well. I have got through 3 starter motors though! My K9 also rides great and handles great.
It seems to be a hit or miss with these beautiful machine. Either you have one with no issues and you love it, or you dump a ton of money in it, and ride the hell out of it.
@@BentOaksGarage I have done the latter and love it
Changing the deekompressors to Manuel was smart.. good thinking
You have about 50 percent right they are nit hard to ride they corner damn good. I learned to ride on a 95 cbr900rr though the rear rims are heavy that's why it wants to stay up you have to mean it when you turn nit ride like a girl scout. There is a solution for the clutch I've never had an issue in stop and go traffic in sturgis get one of those grip trainers and go to work if your hand is weak
Hey bro depends on the year you may have electric cylinder compression releases or manual ones. That motor should not be that hard to turn over when using them or if functioning properly if yours has manual ones just look up a vid they are easy to operate and save your starter
Thank for the heads up, I'll look into it.
Im an original 2009 K9 owner, 80k miles, all original. Never a problem.
A real man can easily operate the clutch lever!! 😊
Thanks for the excellent vid, bro. I just picked up a 2006 BD Pitbull with 1600 miles. It has the upgraded electrical and also has the new digital speedo. Matter of fact, when I bought the bike (yesterday), the speedo stopped working seconds after I bought it! So, the dealer, Dream Machines of Texas, replaced the speedo FOR FREE with the new digital speedo... Also, those guys told me all the pros and cons of the BD bikes. YOU ARE SPOT ON with your video!
Thanks for the info - just saved me a ton of money.
Thank you for the review
Good info, I have the dead one customs ESC and have never had a problem since I installed it over 16,000 miles ago, but as far as the other things you mentioned the clutch you can fix with a ball and ramp kit from Barnes Performance Cycles, I never use a tender on my bike since I installed the ESC and a Yuasa heavy duty battery, very rarely If it sits for over a month will I have to put it on a tender, also I personally have not had an issue with my starter but I know a lot of people do, as far as the 300 mm tire, I run a Shinko and got mine for about $200.00 and I was able to install it myself so no extra cost there, Big Dogs are bad ass bikes but unless you have a lot of money to pay someone to work on it, or your like me and are able to do the work yourself I would not recommend buying one, they’re basically a hot rod that constantly needs attention, but even with all that being said, it’s the only bike I will ever ride!
Yeah the old strokers were the same way. Always doing something but that's why it's not called a Toyota
It’s a rainy Saturday morning in my neck of the woods so I have nothing better to do than to comment on this video. Something I have wanted to do now for some time. I almost did not by my Big Dog after watching this vid and I’m glad I went ahead with my purchase. About a year ago I bought my 07 K9 117. It had about 3k miles. The author of this video is right about the EHC. I had to replace mine and I also replaced the entire charging system per the EHC sellers recommendation and to keep the warranty valid on the EHC. So if you are going to spend your last nickel on buying one of these older bikes..look elsewhere unless this job has been done. As far as the wiring is concerned I would disagree. It’s far from crap. The 300 rear tire and the 9’ length of the bike itself is not for beginners. If you have riding experience especially on heavy street bikes you will be fine with some practice. My friend purchased a 04 Chopper new and rode it for over 70, 000 miles without a major problem. When it comes to reliably The BD bikes stand up to the test. The S&S motors are very reliable and produce more horsepower and Touque than similar motors from Harley without extensive and expensive mods and if you have ever torn apart a Harley transmission snd set it along side a Baker or Jim’s you would be shocked just how much better these trannys are than Harleys. I could go on and on. By the way they are very comfortable to ride and no worries about a death wobble! Bottom line, BD bikes are not for everyone (and we like it that way) but if you want a great factory custom bike don’t be afraid of all the BD bullshit out there.
Thank you for your insight. I like the fuel injected Bulldog I had originally better then the current one. Like you said, you either love them or hate them. There are not for everyone.
BD is back in business. They are located in Wichita ks near where I live.
I have a 2006 Mastiff that I put 41,000 miles on. Factory ECH still in there, same starter that I did have re-built by an Amish starter company at about 10,000 miles, I milled a slot in the starter so the primary oil runs out and back into the primary, no problems since. Always keep the bike on a trickle charger, replace the battery about every 2-3 years and the bike never has trouble starting unless it's below 30 degrees, I also put a 600 cam in mine, and it still starts just fine. I have broken 3 clutch cables, two broke at the lever end, the other at the actuator end, but with the back cut gears, I always rode home, one time over 50 miles. Oh, and using a GPS I had mine to about 150mph, would estimate that it would top out at about 170mph if you care to go there.
K9 with rider under 200lbs will get light at speed. 2 up 375 lbs total weight , flattens out lower and smooth easy 150 mph. Newer HD apparently is governed at 100mph, even the HD M8 is a slow.
These Dogs are just fkn hotrods. Cool aint cheap and anyone with a brain can work on em. We ride em like dirtbikes. Hard, fast and wild. Hope you sold this one cause you dont seem to like them.
Nice video, but about the wide rear tire you said that the bike is unstable, hard to ride, and doesn't corner very well. Also, at one point a Big Dog you had just wanted to go straight. Well yes, until one gets used to it, it does feel like it resists turning. However, I once owned a chopper with a 300mm rear tire, (and a Big Dog Chopper before that with the 250mm rear tire), and after a day of riding, I could ride it as well as any Harley cruiser. Proof to that is that a friend of mine owned a Harley Road King, and at one point after a trip down a very winding road, he said that he has to do everything he can to keep up with me.
The low ground clearance was a bigger issue than the wide tire.
As for stability too, it was very good, especially on the straight aways. Again, just need to get used to the cornering.
But yeah, it's far from being a crotch rocket.
sorry but you missed several other important problems. the key will fall out wile riding, big problem when you get to where you're going and can't shut the bike off. If the clutch basket has not been replaced it will blow apart and leave you sitting. If the bike gets wet the starter switch will short out and start cranking the bike, if you leave the bike in gear it will knock it off the side stand. Yes, I am an original owner of a 2005 Big Dog, sold it after many times of being left sitting along the side of the road. the pain still hurts. ride on
I agree, I did for get a few things going over it. I didn't even think about the key thing until you mentioned it. That is a very common problem.
I have a 2000 chopper & a 2004 ridgeback. Now mind you every custom bike I ever owned had it’s share of issue. But I think you are missing the mark by saying everyone who buys one of these will deal with these issues.
Tie the key to one of the spark plug wires
Wow that’s my actual bike… 2006 Mastiff. I’ve spent loads of money trying to keep this thing running, I probably just don’t ride it enough. But yeah, lots of problems… Always.
I agree, when they run. They are awesome but the upkeep is very expensive!
This is a great video. If the motorcycle was still available, I would be interested. I am interested in owning a big dog and your video is extremely helpful. Thank you for posting.
Actually yes, I still have the bike. I about to put a new clutch cable on it. Feel free to email me. Vgotspeed@yahoo.com
They are open again. Location Wichita ks
Was on the fence for a 2007 K9 for $8,499 + 800.00 shipping. You just talked me out of it. Maybe I'll go with a Honda Fury. The Big Dog sounds like an absolute money pit and you'd spend more time screwing with it than riding it.
They are more of a show bike and garage queen then they are daily riders. Some people might disagree with me but that is my standpoint.
I have an 03 chopper .. yes I’ve redone one the electronics and put a primo Rivera clutch on it .. they were shit built for sure and a pain in the ass .. but it’s fun
Salute great video.....I still won't a big dog Mastiff.....I will have a lot of upgrades 2 make so what just like a Harley you have to make it yours enough said
Thanks so much for confirming I made the best choice by buying my new Yamaha Raider S., LOVE IT, looks like a chopper but with the Yamaha dependability and price.
If you're going to spend that much money for a bike all those options should come on it from the factory !
I guess I got lucky. Had a 06 K9 and 08 Ridgeback and very few issues other than clutches went out more often than I would have liked.
I have an 05 ridgeback, did the Dead One Customs upgrade in about 2 1/2 hours. Never had a problem since. Cost me 700. I keep it on a tender over winter but don't need to during the warm weather. You must have a problem with yours. My original starter works perfectly every time. You probably do t have a high enough CCA. I can take turns easy with my 300 tire. You should get a cookie cutter bike.
I do have a "cookie cutter" bike. It's a 2014 Honda Valkyrie. One of the best bikes (in my opinion) on the market. No issues with it and can go over 300k miles before a rebuild. So much more reliable then the Mastiff. Cheers!
I had a 2006 Pitbull… The Motor was GREAT!!!! My Headlight bolt or assemble came off once.. I was pissed because the bike cost 32K in 2006. The Gauge did work when it wanted to… I believe I replaced the battery once in 6 years…. The Bike was a lot of fun.. in a straight line, might I add… it was not built for handling… This is not a bike for the novice…!!!! It’s a Great Bar Hopper!!!!! Looks of Cool points and looks…!!! If I had the extra money, it would be the third or fourth bike in my garage again… Before you buy one, make sure you have a shop that can work on it….
that tire does NOT want to turn. it will stand up on it's own without the kickstand.
There is a lot of mis information in this video and some truth to it as well. Stock EHC(brain of the bike) had lots of problems. Desk top connectors, headlight plug made of plastic, sketchy backbone harness etc. DOC is the best replacement. Starters go bad! Nature of the beast in any motor vehicle. If everything is working properly in your bike...charging system, EHC, properly tuned these bikes are very reliable. As far as difficulty in riding I disagree. Been in the saddle 53 years and find this is as easy to ride as any bike I have owned. You do need to counter steer a bit more with a long fork bike...but my K9 is as stable and a blast to ride in the twisties...just have to know your limit. As for this video when the owner starts the bike and you see the tach ring flashing...that is a built in warning that the idle is set too low. These bikes want to idle @1100 rpms. With idle that low you are not getting enough oil to the top end...sounds good but not doing your motor any good. As well these are not High Compression motors. The 117 is an EPA motor. A stock 107 probably has more power than a stock 117. This bike is not properly tuned nor is the carb properly adjusted. He is correct about the speedos, and the only good replacement is a Dakota digital, which can be programmed to input original mileage. Some do it, some don't. So all in all there are some good points here but there is mis-information as well. Buyer beware as always!!
The issue with the BD's is the overall hp. Even with the big 117ci they wouldn't make 90hp on a dyno. That same 117ci on an AIH scoot would drop 113 - 115 hp on a routine basis. And this is bone stock from both manufactures.
I have to disagree with your comment about the 300 rear tire. I had a chopper with a 300 rear tire, and once you get used to the way it corners, one can ride it as well as anyone can ride a Harley. It's also very stable ride. But yeah, the electronics on the Big Dog bikes can be quirky, and is best replaced.
Does the difficulty in starting apply to the Big Dogs with the 107ci engine as well?
Do the wiring issues apply to the 2003 and earlier models with the Harley style controls as well?
That is a good question and to be honest, I dont know. I've owned several Big Dogs over the years and they always had the 117ci in them.
Do newer ones around 2020 and up need this much work or no they are expensive and I don't want to get one the start replacing everything I like chopper style bikes but I need something I can count on to travel long distance on a fairly regular bases.
Honestly, I do not know. I have experience with the older models. I would have to assume by now they have fixed most if not all the well known issues they had.
@@BentOaksGarage hope so I was looking into buying one thank you
Damn..The way its sounds though!!
Where do you live at what state I live in Florida also wondering have you had any issues with it besides what you have said also if the tires replaced with the tire you said does it help corner better please feel free to answer me
We live in North East Tennessee. Our starting issue was solved with another new battery. Apparently, the last battery was bad from the factory and that was the reason we had to keep it on the charger all the time. When it comes to a 300 rear, it does not corner the best. Don't get me wrong, it will go where you point it. Just takes a little more effort then something like the Honda Valkyrie. I' seen other people take the 300 off and replace it with a 250 rear and they love it. Right now we are replacing the clutch cable on it due to yellowing of the line. Feel free to send an email vgotspeed@yahoo.com
The clutch is tight so the bike don’t slip at full throttle, I have a bdl open primary 3 inch belt with 6 springs and it’s just as tight. If it’s not tight it’ll slip in the full throttle
My 99 is purring like a kitten.
If you still have this bike, would you sell the sissy bar?
Sounds like I should buy something else
Roger that. Guess I'm not buying one. Thanks. Sounds more of a headache. Awesome looking bike though.
What model is this one I been wanting to get one
I'm my opinion, the best looking Big Dogs are the Bulldog and the Mastiff. You can get them either fuel injected or carbureted.
Resell value drops quick
Just come across this video after watching big dog videos is this the reason they turned off comments .looks good but.
I love my crazy Bulldog
Is yours fuel injected or carb? Or dog food powered, lmfao?
@@BentOaksGarage fuel injected '07
Do they come with a Baker trany 6 Speed
Yes they do
If you don't like wrenchin on a bike...then it ain't in your blood.
Get yojrself a new Harley.That way you won't be allowed to do anything but put gas in it and wax it due to the warranties.😂 I have a 2006 Bigdog ridgeback i have no issues wit it. A🎉 motorcycle no matter what make needs alot of maintenance. If you aint savey with a wrench stay with your Suv or your new Harley.
Trying to help a buddy out he has a big dog k9 2008 while riding it-it just dies then takes anywhere from 5 min to 30 min to start can anyone help me understand just what the hell this thing is doing could it be the ehc?
I've had two of these beasts and both times they had the dead one Customs ecu. Maybe someone else that watches this video can answer.
@@BentOaksGarage awesome thanks for the reply much appreciated 👍🏻
Check the circuit breaker between the Voltage regulatory and the battery(under seat in battery tray) From factory they will have a rest button. I have replaced mine and has no reset button. The circuit pops when it gets to hot and resets when cool enough.
My bike just shut down while riding. After reading blogs and service manual that was my issue $5.00 fix.
If the first bike u bought was junk why did u buy another one for if their junk
Cause the second one already had all the upgrades and picked it up under its value, way under its value. I'll buy anything if it's a good deal and I can make some money on it.
Have you ever had an belt chirping squeal
No, I have not noticed anything like that on this bike.
Your drive belt might need adjustment. On my bike I had a chirp, and adjusting the belt tension made it go away. If that’s not the issue. You might have a bad pulley.
For the price of these things, it definitely doesn't seem worth it and I guess why I've never seen one on the road... Guess I'll stick with my 117 low rider until I can get a real chopper.
Good grief why buy at all?😳
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Sounds like a junk bike for such a expensive price
Meanwhile Honda fury is dirt cheap and looks great rides great
But slowwwwww . Honda would be killing it if they put in that 1800vtx motor
So pretty much,dont buy a big dog.
Either you love 'em or hate 'em. There not for everyone. Cheers.
That was my takeaway. 🤷🏼♂
Fuck no, sounds like a headache