INTEL IS ACTUALLY DOING THIS 😳 13th & 14th Gen CPU Issues
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Intel's 13th & 14th Gen CPUs have a return rate that 4x times higher than the due to manufacturing issues & they are actually doing this.
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Intel's Core i9-14900K and i9-13900K CPUs have been experiencing an unusually high failure rate of around 50%, according to findings shared by Unreal Engine developers. These failures appear to be linked to issues with the silicon quality or manufacturing process, which can severely affect the stability and performance of these processors, particularly under demanding tasks like game development or 3D rendering. The situation has sparked concerns among users and industry professionals about the reliability of Intel's latest high-end CPUs, as this level of failure can disrupt workflows and reduce productivity. It's crucial for Intel to address these problems swiftly to maintain user confidence and protect their brand's reputation.
It's wild they are actually doing this to customers... wtf
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NEVER again after 13/14gen fiasco. If Intlel thinks that it will be sitting quiet and everything just pass, they are SO WRONG!
I bought 13th gen with the thought that because it was the 2nd gen on a socket, all the bugs would be ironed out. Now I am regretting that decision.
You couldn't have known that. Intel had known about the problem for a while and only now admitted it. Before that they blamed it on the motherboard manufacturer. My i7 6700k, which has been running at 4.7ghz for 5 years, will probably have to last until gen 15.
"Amd delayed their cpus!" Yeah, what, so they can prevent a 50% failure rate? Gotta work out the bugs before release, guys!
My 13900k, my 14900k, and 3 x 14900ks all had stability issues. The 13900k had the least stability issues though and was fine at stock settings once it wasn't overcooked. The 14900k / ks cannot even run the default settings now.
I am done with Intel processors for an extremely long time, until Intel proves they care about customers who get sold broken products straight out of the box. AMD, Apple and NVIDIA are miles ahead of Intel currently.
ya the fact they arent offering replacements is insane.
@@DanDoesPC What replacements CAN they even offer at this point? If this is a manufacturing or fabrication issue that has now been solved, only then they can offer better/fixed replacements. If this is a fundamental problem within the architecture, then what replacements are they even going to offer? I mean, they can maybe offer equivalent Arrow Lake CPUs, but firstly, everyone will have to buy new motherboards for that, which really don't come for cheap nowadays, and second, who's to say that the manufacturing or design flaws didn't carry on with Arrow Lake as well? Modern CPUs take about 3-5 years to design and manufacture, it's very likely then that if Intel failed to catch a now known flaw then that it will still exist in several future generations as well.
Me too, I had to swap my 13700KF for a 7800X3D and I'm planning on staying on AM5 for a long time.
@@Dhruv-qw7jfI don't think they can do much, but at the very least a refund would be nice. Although, they are a business, so if their math points at a lawsuit being cheaper for them than a refund, they may not do anything for customers.
LOL, you think NVIDIA cares.
Intel fucked up by itself 😂
My 14900K failed with very little use time. I had the pc for half a year but barely used it. I did set every power setting to maximum in bios though. Never actually thought I would cook it by doing that since it had always been relatively safe to do that before. Thought for months that it was an issue with fortnite and because it said out of VRAM. since I had enough VRAM with a 4090 I wasn’t aware for a long time that it was actually the CPU that was f*cked.
Just wait until you hear about the BIOS update intel is releasing by/maybe next or the week after.
Which may invalidate systems integrator/PC supplier warranties.
I've been running a 13600 in a Blue Iris system that I've had running near 100% for over a year now... no issues.
Chicken nuggets example is incomparable because you purchase chicken nuggets multiple times every month while processor only buy 1 per 2-3 yrs. Salmonella is health risk sometimes fatal.
Comparison could be nearer to like Intel car that breaks in 2-3yrs because the engine breaks because of overheating.
Intel admitted to it thats good but refused to take responsibility will only accept RMA not recall.
To my understanding high end 13th and 14th gen really has problems because of the Intel precision boost 6GHz draws too much power that it creates heat that degrades the CPU faster and the prolong heat also causes oxidation (corrosion).
A good cooling solution could delay this symptoms, my theory is could be they design this cpu to not longer while giving more performance like an 800Mhz overclocked CPU.
The problem is rarer because people also buy a good CPU cooler not using the intel stock GPU. They only use it for casually like gaming and chrome, isnt CPU extensive application only the who use CPU extensive application in work like hours like 100% CPU utilization or mine with it will probably experience the said problem. Most games only use like 20-30% of CPU. Browsing, zoom, Photoshop, video edit only use like less than 10-30%. So average user will most likely not experience the said intel problem.
Only those who work like in AI, animator render machine, cpu cryptomining , science data analysis like DNA or physics simulation , gaming overclockers and financial simulation will likely experience the problem. Specially if theyre using the stock cooler.
LOL!! nah its definitely chicken nugget territory.... bless the intel consumers getting poisened and sitting on the toilet for 4 days
If you have zero issue for over a year, then there's a good chance that what you got is one of the so-called "golden samples".
Time will tell though...
So far so good a year and 2 months lol
How would I know if I have the golden sample? I have the 13600KF for over 18 months now without any problems, though I only do light browsing/movie and some gaming.. Would I still experience any problems if I have the bad unit and how would that look?
intel 13th and 14th gen processors now have a new meme unlocked:
Can it run Path of Titans?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol
I've got an Asus rog strix z790-f gaming Wi-Fi motherboard and a 14700k. I've kept it at "enforce all limits" in the BIOS for 99% of it's life. But i keep wondering if I've got a ticking time bomb 😢 and most likely I'll go AMD next time. Luckily I haven't noticed any issues yet but I'm still very paranoid.
same
Is intel HX laptop cpu are safe or not?
I wonder the same thing. There is a laptop im interested to buy that has an i9 13th and I would like to know if hx cpus are also faulty
No, all 65w+ CPUs are affected. Hx chips are desktop chips with lower clocks
@@asdf_asdf948 isn't the 13700HX 55w ?
Does it have this issue as well ?
Man I´ve been building 13 and 14 gen ... about 40 to 45 pcs for clients, no one has ever had a single issue... The only thing that I saw as really wrong was one motherboard with 530W limit for the cpu... that was crazy... I lowered it manually no normal levels. Thanks for your videos... good stuff
They didn't have issues... yet.
mostly i9 sometimes i7. Really started in February when Intel blamed Nvidia for out of vram issue and Nvidia was like Nah its actually Intel issue. Somehow the patch made the cpu worse.
SAME!!! its just anxiety evoking... I said this same thing the other week, but all this news is nuts
Great video. Problem's @ Intel isn't just the [ Consumer's ] it's even happening to the { Workstation } class of machines. So LARGE companies are having problems with there Server computer's. You could probably take a year's worth of Consumer sales vs maybe half a year of Workstation sales ; the consumer sales probably wouldn't even come close to the Workstation side. If the LARGE ( Business ) sales doesn't light a fire under Intel then what will?
ya
Watching all this makes me appreciate my 7950x3d even more.
I have had no issues and knew nothing about it until I went to boot the game Bellwright, this then sent me on the path of the 14700k issues intel have, never even knew about it before hand, I have upgraded Bios and ran a Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool test with pass results, so now I got to wait mid August for a fix and the fix only works if your processor has not been effected. AMD if this processor fries and AMD in the future, absolutely appalled at Intel's handling right now.
Purchased I Godlike M/B and all the other parts to start my build. But haven't bought the CPU. But now what?
A godLIKE LOLOLOLOL, it doesnt do anything special, its as good as a 400$ board and the 870s are coming out soon, fail.
Return the motherboard and get amd
The second hand market is dead for the 13/14th gen
Only the 12th gen will have resell value.
ya
i build my GF a 13600K system, she barely use it but, she will kill me, she absolute hates a non functional pc.
So relief that mine is 12th gen
Do these issues also occur in the Mobile CPUs like the i7-13700HX ?
Idk actually
@@DanDoesPC Well, if you do get some info. Please share here. Would appreciate it 👍
7:44 bro had to talk from CPUs to chicken nuggets after stating Intel isn't fixing CPU stability
*Proceeds to go into chicken bacteria*
Edit: my honest reaction 8:15
LMFAO!!!!!!!
under rated comment lmfao
What is Intel's response to this? I rely on single core performance, so Intel is the prefered choice, is it worth waiting/risking for 15th Gen? No guarantee the error is not going to repeat it self. I was going to build a new PC with top specs since my old horse of 12 years has reached its limits.
they are just brushing it off there shoulders..... pretty messed up tbh
@@DanDoesPC sad, AMD then, or another option is leasing a workstation. I think being abit patient and keeping a cool head is the way to go. Intel, I read, brings out a fix soon, lets see.
Intel affected CPU
13700K - 14900K
Everything below a 14600K should be OKAY. I am selling Intel soon when 9000 arrives launch day and will dismiss of Intel but what about mb if I cannot sell it locally?
So you will also need to sell the motherboard and buy new one for AM5?
I'm in the same situation, I just bought 14900k 2 weeks ago. It have none issue yet, but after research I feel not comfortable with the issue, like a bomb for my CPU.
So I would like to swap to AMD but I wonder should I wait for 9950x3d or just need 9950x.
I also need to seller current CPU and its motherboard, get new AM5 MB.
Do you know what is the best Motherboard for AM5 socket currently?
Sir is i5 13500 fine? i ordered online and it will be possibly deliver within this week i just used it for video editing not for gaming and it comes with a ak620 deepcool cooler
@@josephreybaura7378 this should only effect i7s or higher cpus of this generation
@@pacspecific Thank you so much Sir I feel relieved huhu
@@Nhat_KieuMinh You can return the cpu if the retailer allows returns for THAT long. Just hand them a copy of your invoice date (proof of purchase) along with your motherboard and get AMD replacement
You should probably wait for AMD X3D equivalants for 9000 or just get 7800X3D now
I've got a laptop with an i9-13900HX and didn't have any problems for a year of owning and using it. Now I suddenly got three crashes in one day, haven't used it since out of fear.
Naturally I've got no warranty on the thing, so from what I gather, I might just be screwed.
I saw a dude in reddit who got a blue screen immediately after first boot,I thank God that I didn't purchased the i7 13700hx, I'm just going toy wait and see what they are going to do hope they fix it.
Nvidia 12VHpwr thing is ongoing and doesn't seem to end lmao, if not happening more. It's a terrible connector design and unnecessary. I can send the same amount of power through my XTX Nitro + on 3x 8 pins, guess what? They'll never fail.
Worst part of the 4090 is the pci-e tabs cracking and bad solder bads.
Something’s not right with my i7-13700k, using an arctic freezer ii 360 and I’m getting 40-50 at idle and under 50% cpu load playing bf5 it hits 100c. Pump is set to max and fans ramp up to 100% at 85c, I did not oc and I did update the bios, it’s been fine for 2 years I’ve had it. I used to get like in the mid 80’s on maxed out bg3.
Turn off enhanced turbo boost in bios and make sure power and current limits are in place. Same thing happened to me with stock mobo settings being way too high by default
Why buy a whole new system when you can just buy an 11th or 12th gen?
Because i can't resell a cpu. I can build a pc for back up, keep it and list it for sale, then when it sells, I'll just build another back up.
I've only been doing custom.pcs built to order. Might ad well do a pre-built style listing lol
I don't see how this stops you just get a CPU to quickly replace in case of need @@DanDoesPC
Your motherboard might be able to run the 12th gen it's with a bios update. My evga 690 classified will run 12-13 and 14. I am using a i9 12th gen with 128 gigs of ram for my lightwave and 3d max stuff. Runs great, no voltage issues, just keep then real cool when running. Mine can run for days rendering etc, awesome for games too. Use the 12th gen i9's.
My new prebuilt PC is coming tomorrow. I'm not versed on computers, so I'm only learning about this now. I guess I should probably not use it until the update is pushed. Damn I was so ready to jump right in and start gaming
@r1pbuck
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I was having serious, increasing problems playing Cyberpunk 2077. After doing everything I could think of with the game, I decided to reset Windows after first updating the BIOS on my MSI Z790 motherboard [i9-13900KF CPU]...which was released in June '24. this completely fixed my problem with the game. I haven't monitored the CPU voltages for the CPU...I have nothing to compare them to pre BIOS upgrade, so I don't know what kind of difference the upgrade made. Apparently there will be a BIOS microcode update coming in August...let's see what happens.
I am also stuck in the same paranoid state. My 13th gen Intel Core-i9 video editing PC is performing fine, but I am scared as hell. Waiting for the Asus BIOS update with whatever microcode patch Intel releases ....
Someone told me the patch made it worse, so be careful what you wish for.
IKR!! haha You make a bunch of videos too.... So anxiety envoking haha
I have a 13700kf it's only stable at sock settings.
I'm currently in the market for a new high end computer for work. I however am now torn, between building AMD with the lower clockspeeds etc, or taking a chance on a I9. This sucks. Hope my current computer holds on a while longer. Been getting a green screen which I believe is AMD GPU Problem. Neither here nor there.
basically speaking no intel for unreal engine. never again Intel. me as well have to buy a back up pc with amd.
ya ikr
I rma'd one i7 13700K
Hey man I don't mind the tangents and I don't mind the long talk that's great you're being real!! I can watch that thank you! New subscriber!
I appreciate that dude thanks :)
Hi there Dan , my pc build is complete but I like to see if I can get a boost from overclocking.
I be happy to pay for your insight if possible .
Please let me know, thank you.
I'm on an i5 13600k with *knock on wood* no issues but I am planning on switching and building my first AMD build next year with the next gen release. Nvidias prices are just stupid because of how big they've gotten especially during the AI boom and Intel is being shady. Also ditching my Asus products.
clx has had my custom open loop for 2 months and still cant tell me whats wrong with it, and ive known for 6 months its the cpu it took 4 months to get them to rma it this whole situation is fucked thanks intel 🖕
If they do a recall, am I cooked if I bought it brand new from an authorized dealer on eBay?
Probably more like well done. 🤷♂️. If they do recall, they're going to try and find anyway out of replacing one IMO.
which game are you playing?
trying to figure that out too
World War Z :)
@@DanDoesPC Now on my to do list. Thank you kindly. (- -,)
Have you had many 13th/14th come back under your warranty? And is it something you're worried about going forward?
0, sip, nadda... I have mentioned this in the past, but it doesnt neglect what is happening and got me worried..... this is how I make my living, so if I have 50 $5k PC's being sent back to me..... ya
@@DanDoesPC Fingers crossed it stays 0 👍
The point about people being always unhappy is hilarious. Should the manufacturers delay the problematic software or release a bugged version - they are unhappy.
LOL!! right
12700k still going strong, but won't buy another after this
Still rocking with my I5 10400 🤟
That was such a good value cpu when it first come out!!
Same.
thanks for the video. I wonder if any of today's news worth issues, ex. ebt and airports crashing in certain areas. Just a thought... Amd is looking pretty good right now.
Good question!
X86 license should be made open source. Intel and AMD monopolising it limiting cpu manufacturing. Let nvidia also make cpu, now we only have AMD amd that is a monopoly
Is that why my pc gets crashing out of no where
maybe
@@DanDoesPC ok no worries
Lmao they came out with a fix
There are so many ppl who have no issues you have to wonder. I think that you hit it on the head where the content creaters are saying just about every intel cpu has or will just die. Remember a lot of these folks love AMD and are constantly crapping on intel. Also they can’t understand why most folks use intel…….its like they hate it. Yet like 80%+ use intel.
Now the cpu problem is real for sure. I will just say wait until Intel puts out whatever fix they propose and then see. Otherwise you can see pc’s on RUclips are still putting in intel chips.
Again the issue is very real but just recognize that so many people have been using these chips since launch with NO ISSUES. With that make your own choice. I personally think it’s an issue with the most recent batch of CPU’s and they are the ones failing. Since I can’t tell which is which I’ll most likely get AMD. Provided that they get released soon. Seems AMD is having performance issues………happens to the best of us 😂😂😂😂😂
Are these issues occurring with the Ultra series processors or just the H series?
My 13600K has no issues.
ya my cpu doesnt have any yet either.... "YET" is my worry when this is how I make my living lol
@@DanDoesPCit seems only the 13900K and 14900K have this issue. And to add people who don’t know how to optimize their PC.
true but still.... its anxiety evoking lol
I was just planning to buy a 13600k later this week, now after seeing all this online I'm just a lot confused and couldn't make a decision. Tell me if I can go ahead and buy a new 13600k or not?
@@Deepakkumar-ti8ic I just bought 4 on amazon prime day for $229.99 each. All 4 machines do heavy gaming with no issues.
AMD has its own issues, I watching you to see if I should move to intel because of the issues I'm having.
What do you mean entire week CPU-less. Cant you just buy 14600 cpu as a backup and swap it in 5 minutes if 14900 fails?
I could... but a i5 is not gonna be a fun experience rendering out 4k content for 4 channels and all the productivity styuff I do lol
@@DanDoesPC Isn't rendering GPU accelerated? How much does CPU affect rendering times? Backup PC is good idea anyway when it's main source of income.
Would you mind helping a bro out?
What settings should i use in my BIOs to make my pc stable and make sure my cpu doesn't die or crash, also how to update my BIOs?
I9 14900K
Z790-f wifi
64 GB Corsair dominator platinum DRAM 5600MT/s
Asus ROG strix 4090 OC
Coolermaster PL 360 flux
My cpu doesn't heat up more than 70° but it does crash alot in games
im not gonna be held liable for giving info that messes stuff up so idk lol
@@DanDoesPC my man.... A YT comment isn't considered evidence in the court of law in the United States, nobody is going to sue you... Lmao
Anyways, I found a solution!(?)
Update BIOs from your mother bored to the newest one, go to performance preference and change it to Intel default settings and the type to extreme, and change the PL1/2 to 253, and go to multicore enchantments and change it to enforce all limits than you will no longer crash or damage the CPU!(Im not responsible for any CPU failures, Intel provided all info please check their announcement)
Do better man, you are a PC RUclipsr not legal eagle.....
Look up your MB update files, they should have a patch that lowers voltage , it's not a fix it just hopefully stops or slows any damage. That's from all the info I have found so far.
My MSI MB update patch had
Replaced MSI's own tweaked system power settings with added Intel Default Settings.
I love that comment about certain person mouth
LOL!!
No issues here lol idc if devs do this they do this to cover there butt doesnt mean that these devs here actually had an issue. Just saying. They shoupd put warnings for every brand now because forums are full of eay more amd complainta then intel. Even after this lol
You switching is exactly what they want also.
Those AMD failures are not being seen at the data center level, and AMD is extremely popular among Linux users, who are both more likely to do weird things that would cause problems, and more likely to go onto tech forums looking for answers to their problem, because it's genuinely obscure enough that a simple google search isn't helping, and may in fact just yield other people not getting answers to the question.
Ya I agree, but this is on a whole different level.... a 50% failure rate is insane, AMD absolutely has issues & is a nightmare to use, still to this day I hate using AMD due to the lack of features, but I would much rather have a PC running with issues, than a totally dead PC lol
@DanDoesPC it's only 50% based on server devs. If it was truely 50% forums woupd have hundreds of thousands of people on there. Again more failures and issues from real users with amd then anyone else.
You dont have issues so no need to get a new one. You can build one if anything actually happens. Lol
I have four 13th gen I9s at my place, zero issues.
Then again, I don't have Asus and I have been power limiting.
I did OC for fun at first, then I moved on
@@reviewforthetube6485 - Except the damage seems to be progressive, and more and more people are seeing damage over time. People who haven't had degradation simply haven't used their PC enough yet.
What a nonsense. Just check voltages - if you check SA and VDDQ voltages at which your CPU is stable and which your system uses you will see that if you add +0.1V it will be clear why these issues exist. For one we should not even see voltages like 1.4V but this is often the case and some mobo makers if you enable XPM with fast memory will easily boost that. Same reason AMD CPUs exploded some time ago.
While I do agree..... not everyone is as smart as you, the fact we even have to do this is stupid & NOBODY would have thought to do this before these issues arose, so I am sure everyone who isnt the smartest human leaving comments has a cpu that is not going to last as long as normal. I am sure the resale value of any 13th and 14th gen PC is gonna be non existant in the future
People seem to have a very short memory, not long ago the AMD ryzen 7000 series where exploding in their sockets due to excessive voltage pushed by board vendors( sound familiar)
Oh yeah and lets not forget about the ram issues that are still going on to this day, where it simply doesn't work or you are not getting the speeds you paid for.
This time cpu's are oxidizing and getting 1.6 volt power on idle dude. Just check videos that are showing it. Intell fucked up. Accept it my fanboy.
for sure.... i just didnt own an amd cpu so didnt care as much lol
@@DanDoesPC
I got my i9 13900kf 2 years ago and first thing i did was going into the bios , i was shocked to see the default bios values
Both power limits where set to 4096 watt, that's 16 times above intel specification. current limits was set to 512watt, 2 times above specification.
Default clock ratio had 2 cores running at 5800Mhz, 300Mhz above spec.
At those settings your cpu is getting fried, most people never going into their bios that's why the problem is so massive.
My system is running stable for 2 years after i dialed everything down
Theres a Bios update fix for some motherboards if you see microcode in the update ..voltage back to normal
I had my GIGABYTE Z790 Master motherboard and 13900k. Bois last released drove vcore to above 1.5, so I immediately revert to previous Bois, and vcore is 1.42 at most usually 1.36. There are no issues with it thus far.
My i9 14900KF has no issue. Just go to the bios and enable PL1 and PL2 correctly and everything will be fine.
Not sure why ppl keep talking about this.
If someone owns a i7/i9 should know how to tweak basic stuff on a bios. Sure the manufacture should make it standard without we having a need to tweak it but still...
I think the story about Intel having issues is just that, lazzy ppl who don't do tweaks on bios or ppl who don't own the skills to do it!
Power limits are easy to set specially on ASUS
That is absolutely not correct... I was building PCs for well over a year before I started tinkering with the bios stuff, that type of thing is for very experienced tech people that went to school for it, not the average person that has to figure it out on their own.
@@DanDoesPC in my opinion the high end CPUs and even unlocks ones aren't for normal consumers so a few simples tweaks shouldn't be difficult lol. I didn't had any school back in 2011 and I was pretty go on tweaking Bios and doing OC. Let's face it, this Intel so claimed issue is kinda bs... Not saying it isn't real, but if that happens ppl are just too confortable buying stuff and forgetting that most cpus need knowledge. Hell even the AMDs X3D need alote tweaks and time/ knowledge, I would even say it's harder to make this stable then to make a Intel stable
Just make sure to have PL1/PL2 and other settings correctly because Intel/Motherboard manufacturers where lazy to do it!
I think 🤔 that ppl should have minimal knowledge when it comes to hardware/software so expensive.
Not saying they are forced too... But also doesn't make sense spending so much money and not knowing how to tweak some little settings.
It's very easy and simples to correct Intels mistake and prevent any damage.
I had more issues with AMD both 7800X3D and 7950X3D then I ever had with Intel.
Not to mention heavy issues with micro stutter and inconsistent frames.
The balance of a system is very important.
I love ur channel, I love ur content so don't take it to the wrong path when I say that ppl should know to use a bios, even to update it 😅
There are also plenty tutorials how to make the stuff!
But U did say something wise, building a secondary system, I gonna do the same when the 9950X arrives, if it does arrive stable because I'm kinda afraid on AMD markting and propaganda 🤔 this days it's hard to even believe on the content creators.
Not saying u aren't to be trusted, hell u are a nice guy and well educated in the matter, also the idea of supporting u is great!
Smart 🧠
Lets see what happens with the red side, because blue side for me is already fixed for a long time!
Setting pl1 and pl2 intel specs is reducing gaming performance very dramatically
Voltage and power locked 13th/14th gen T processors are burning out as well, you people should stop reading Userbenchmarks and watching framechasers
@@XenonG i undervolted from day 1 and my cpu developed super instability anyway, face it, unless AMD makes a huge mistake Intel is finished. No one in their right mind would go with any Intel cpu until at least 5-7 years from now being that AM5 will be around for 5 more years . Even after 7 years, everyone will remember this, I know for the rest of my life I will NEVER buy an Intel again unless like I said AMD screws up in a HUGE and I mean HUGE way. I DESPISE INTEL FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO ME, THEY PUT A DAGGER IN MY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!