I'm a regular CHCH Church-goer and I wouldn't spend council money on this or any church. He's also right about the square, the whole center of town is a shambles. This has happened continually and is BS the amount they spend on this crap. Google, CHCH EQ Cost blowout. Convention Centre: $280 to $475m Stadium: $533m to $683m Sports Complex: $217 to $696m
I worked on the Christchurch Arts Center rebuild for 3 years and watched that kitty get emptied by consultants and heritage huggers, with little rebuild progress. Funnily enough, more than 10 years later it sits unfinished (and broke) whilst the consultants fill their pockets elsewhere (some working on the Cathedral project)
As someone who lived many years in Christchurch, the Cathedral is an icon and the heart of the city. Cathedral square was also centre of the city with a bunch of cinemas and bars located around it. I think it should be saved but I wish all of Christchurch pre-quake should have been saved. It has nothing to do with Ngai Tahu and if council took over the project, they would claim the land. My feeling now given the costings is demolish it but incorporate parts of it into the natural history museum of New Zealand.
Sentimentality is what makes a culture, it's the historic buildings, the traditions, the monuments. Without those one place is just another place on a map, it has no roots, no heritage. Modern church buildings are ugly and boring. Having lived in East Auckland I regularly drove past the huge traditional Buddhist temple on Chapel Rd. How can that be built yet a national landmark can't be restored? The original cathedral took 40 years to build, there's no reason to say a rebuild couldn't take a couple of decades. It's amazing to think that some of the nicest buildings in the country were built when we had a fraction of the population and none of the heavy machinery we have now.
As a CHCH resident, I normally always agree with Chris, but over the Cathedral I don’t agree with his sarcasm. I agree no more public money should be spent, and what was spent, should have been better monitored. I agree with him a lot has been lost with consultancy. It was the symbol for the old CHCH (literally - on stickers, etc.), and it would be nice if it continued. Listening to Chris, I am wondering where the money came from to fix the Arts Centre and the Museum (all similar buildings)? Is the Cathedral dropped because it is owned by a church organisation? Also, the Anglican Church does own a lot of land - they could sell some, to fund the Cathedral. Also, Chris is not acknowledging the Cathedral was not just a place of worship, but held secular events too, such as jazz recitals, the garden festivals, etc.. Also, Bishop Victoria was a disaster - she wanted it bowled, and her main idea was a sandy beach put in! I still remember the drawings! But at this stage, I am mainly wanting to know who is funding the Museum’s rebuild, and who funded the Arts Centre rebuild? If they were saved, why not the Cathedral?
They should have made sure all those that wanted it rebuilt had the money to complete it before giving consent for the rebuild to start. Someone at the council or in govt at the time that decision was made can not have been very bright costing tax payers and ratepayers unnecessarily.
The age old Proddy, Doolan divide is still alive and well in my hometown. Whenever you get two Cantabs meeting the second question is"what school did you go to?" so you can work out which side you're on . Aahh... memories.
Here we are again. An outfit supposed to benefit the local community, fails to recognise that and know only the cost of everything but the value of nothing at all..
As a Cantab Its sad to hear about this story and its a sad sight in the middle of town... the whole chch rebuild been a money pit joke...But a positive thing is to see/hear two great media figures have a conversation and stay on the airwaves surviving the cancel culture
A lot of money for projects gets sucked up in paperwork and the people who do the paperwork charge a lot of money for what they do. Then if there are any problems you get revisions requiring more paperwork and consultations sucking up more money. Eventually some money actually gets spent on building.
Rather large space for "just" 185 people. I don't see why they can't restore the lower part of the building and build a wooden or composite structure on top that is similar to what the old building looked like.
The church as a business has plenty of assetts. Use the $ doing good. What a pleasant surprise Bishop Matthews agreed. Does Chch need a cathedral? Stabilise the remains & encase it in glass so the faithful can adore it (sarc). Churches need to get back to the basics of people not buildings & assetts.
Architecture like this should be preserved. Old world Tartaria a it’s known as today. Dunedin has some beautiful Tartarian buildings.Been here longer than the Maori
@@ElizabethArrowsmith-h6i Thank you. My eldest sister (who went to St Mary's) told me and I know she wouldn't misconstrue. Makes the whole thing more powerful. Catholics don't muck about. God bless. Ave Maria.
I worked for a company call Canterbury drilling who done the water dewatering to build the side buildings and put the safe in the basement to keep the kings bullshit.
I’m not religious or originally from Christchurch. But I have been living here post quakes. I completely disagree. The cathedral is an icon. To simply destroy our heritage is gross. And if they had removed it at the start, I’m sure Chris would be the first to say it was a great loss etc. Imagine if a Māori statue or park was put in its place? Could you imagine the outcry from these two guys? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Clearly there is bias here, a catholic is sore about the catholic cathedral being demolished and hopes the same happens to the Anglican. The cathedral is an icon, and it should be saved. If you remove the identity of a city, it will be replaced. And what by? Take a look at all the new buildings, all have Māori designs and names. This isn’t Rotorua.
To be fair my recollection is that the church wanted to knock it down, but interfering 'unbelievers' took them to court and effectively forced them repair it. These busy bodies should have to pay for it. The church should have stood their ground. However, the Anglican in NZ does own enough property in NZ to leverage for some cash.
Its very sad but The Cathedral has to come down. The generation that grew up appreciating The Square with The Cathedral, the gatherings on the steps to listen to preachers and the wizzard have long gone. The earthquake killed our icons. We hold the memories in our ❤😢
The problem is that Christchurch has nothing else going on. Bowl it. Get rid. And I say that as a Christchurch Anglican... now living in Wellington paying rates on the pointless Town Hall. Stupid, vainglorious sentimental nonsense.
You can never fix the square while that mess is still there. Knock it down ,truck the mess away and let the Anglican church build what they want or sell property back to the council so it can make an attraction that draws people and businesses back into the area. Time to get real.!?
Its sad to see that kiwis have not evolved at all....CHCH council should not be spending a cent on anything religious...what a drama!! But hey, worldwide its been going on for centuries... whatever amount they need...triple it!!
What a cringe this guy was. Nothing of value here just a mocker with a voice. The Cathedral is as much a victim of our unsustainable building situation as housing is. Get used to the idea of leaving the site fallow for a more deserving generation to arise.
The cathedral should have been bulldozed down after the earthquake. The cathedral had been there for over a hundred years and was outdating our city. You can call me mean and Anti-religiious,but $80 million dollars is ridiculous. It would have been better to spend that much money on a fun park like disneyland which would probably cost more..it would be worth it as there is no fun parks in christchurch
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Now if it had been a Mosque.....
bingo.
Indeed. I wonder if the Saudis would be willing to help out.
I had this exact thought the moment Shaun started talking lol. Where's the outpouring of support from the Muslim community?
@@skepticalkiwi69 It's Ramadamadingdong at the mo.
I'm a regular CHCH Church-goer and I wouldn't spend council money on this or any church. He's also right about the square, the whole center of town is a shambles.
This has happened continually and is BS the amount they spend on this crap. Google, CHCH EQ Cost blowout.
Convention Centre: $280 to $475m
Stadium: $533m to $683m
Sports Complex: $217 to $696m
I worked on the Christchurch Arts Center rebuild for 3 years and watched that kitty get emptied by consultants and heritage huggers, with little rebuild progress. Funnily enough, more than 10 years later it sits unfinished (and broke) whilst the consultants fill their pockets elsewhere (some working on the Cathedral project)
You can see why Chris Lynch was taken off the air in Christchurch, to mucb integrity. Cant have that in modern corporate "journalism"
Love your comments at the end about the legacy media, Chris 😎👏
As someone who lived many years in Christchurch, the Cathedral is an icon and the heart of the city. Cathedral square was also centre of the city with a bunch of cinemas and bars located around it. I think it should be saved but I wish all of Christchurch pre-quake should have been saved. It has nothing to do with Ngai Tahu and if council took over the project, they would claim the land. My feeling now given the costings is demolish it but incorporate parts of it into the natural history museum of New Zealand.
Chris Lynch is a good guy and an excellent interviewer/news man. Southern legend.
Sentimentality is what makes a culture, it's the historic buildings, the traditions, the monuments. Without those one place is just another place on a map, it has no roots, no heritage. Modern church buildings are ugly and boring. Having lived in East Auckland I regularly drove past the huge traditional Buddhist temple on Chapel Rd. How can that be built yet a national landmark can't be restored? The original cathedral took 40 years to build, there's no reason to say a rebuild couldn't take a couple of decades. It's amazing to think that some of the nicest buildings in the country were built when we had a fraction of the population and none of the heavy machinery we have now.
As a CHCH resident, I normally always agree with Chris, but over the Cathedral I don’t agree with his sarcasm. I agree no more public money should be spent, and what was spent, should have been better monitored. I agree with him a lot has been lost with consultancy. It was the symbol for the old CHCH (literally - on stickers, etc.), and it would be nice if it continued. Listening to Chris, I am wondering where the money came from to fix the Arts Centre and the Museum (all similar buildings)? Is the Cathedral dropped because it is owned by a church organisation? Also, the Anglican Church does own a lot of land - they could sell some, to fund the Cathedral. Also, Chris is not acknowledging the Cathedral was not just a place of worship, but held secular events too, such as jazz recitals, the garden festivals, etc.. Also, Bishop Victoria was a disaster - she wanted it bowled, and her main idea was a sandy beach put in! I still remember the drawings! But at this stage, I am mainly wanting to know who is funding the Museum’s rebuild, and who funded the Arts Centre rebuild? If they were saved, why not the Cathedral?
I bet if it were a maori landmark this Chris Lynch would be silent. This country has no respect for history.
Chris Lynch is out of touch. We don’t want a MCDONALDS or a Mosque in Cathedral square. The Cathedral needs to be rebuilt
They should have made sure all those that wanted it rebuilt had the money to complete it before giving consent for the rebuild to start. Someone at the council or in govt at the time that decision was made can not have been very bright costing tax payers and ratepayers unnecessarily.
The age old Proddy, Doolan divide is still alive and well in my hometown.
Whenever you get two Cantabs meeting the second question is"what school did you go to?" so you can work out which side you're on .
Aahh... memories.
Here we are again. An outfit supposed to benefit the local community, fails to recognise that and know only the cost of everything but the value of nothing at all..
As a Cantab Its sad to hear about this story and its a sad sight in the middle of town... the whole chch rebuild been a money pit joke...But a positive thing is to see/hear two great media figures have a conversation and stay on the airwaves surviving the cancel culture
No public money. Turn it into a casino and tax the heck out of it.
God doesn't care either way
Could have been turned into an epic terrarium. Build a giant glass cabinet around it with plants. Build a church next door. Plenty of land.
Where is this money being funneled too??? Who is making so much money? Just bizzare
A lot of money for projects gets sucked up in paperwork and the people who do the paperwork charge a lot of money for what they do. Then if there are any problems you get revisions requiring more paperwork and consultations sucking up more money. Eventually some money actually gets spent on building.
Why not make the remains of the cathedral structurally safe and then make it into a memorial to the earthquake and those who died?
Rather large space for "just" 185 people. I don't see why they can't restore the lower part of the building and build a wooden or composite structure on top that is similar to what the old building looked like.
The church as a business has plenty of assetts.
Use the $ doing good. What a pleasant surprise Bishop Matthews agreed.
Does Chch need a cathedral?
Stabilise the remains & encase it in glass so the faithful can adore it (sarc).
Churches need to get back to the basics of people not buildings & assetts.
Architecture like this should be preserved. Old world Tartaria a it’s known as today. Dunedin has some beautiful Tartarian buildings.Been here longer than the Maori
The Christchurch Cathedral rebuilding in the same time frame as the Notre Dame🙄🤣.
I thought the statue was of "Our Lady" not an Angel.
Can anyone tell me please?
Yes. you are correct, A Statue of Our Lady turned around. The Statue is now standing in the Saint Mary's Pro Cathedral on Manchester St. Christchurch.
@@ElizabethArrowsmith-h6i Thank you.
My eldest sister (who went to St Mary's) told me and I know she wouldn't misconstrue.
Makes the whole thing more powerful.
Catholics don't muck about.
God bless.
Ave Maria.
I worked for a company call Canterbury drilling who done the water dewatering to build the side buildings and put the safe in the basement to keep the kings bullshit.
A big white elephant , they should have checked fully the foundations before building
Doesn’t the church have lots of money? If yes, they can fund it.
I’m not religious or originally from Christchurch. But I have been living here post quakes. I completely disagree. The cathedral is an icon. To simply destroy our heritage is gross. And if they had removed it at the start, I’m sure Chris would be the first to say it was a great loss etc. Imagine if a Māori statue or park was put in its place? Could you imagine the outcry from these two guys? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Clearly there is bias here, a catholic is sore about the catholic cathedral being demolished and hopes the same happens to the Anglican. The cathedral is an icon, and it should be saved. If you remove the identity of a city, it will be replaced. And what by? Take a look at all the new buildings, all have Māori designs and names. This isn’t Rotorua.
To be fair my recollection is that the church wanted to knock it down, but interfering 'unbelievers' took them to court and effectively forced them repair it. These busy bodies should have to pay for it. The church should have stood their ground. However, the Anglican in NZ does own enough property in NZ to leverage for some cash.
Hagley park and the gardens are the heart of the city
Its very sad but The Cathedral has to come down. The generation that grew up appreciating The Square with The Cathedral, the gatherings on the steps to listen to preachers and the wizzard have long gone. The earthquake killed our icons. We hold the memories in our ❤😢
The problem is that Christchurch has nothing else going on. Bowl it. Get rid.
And I say that as a Christchurch Anglican... now living in Wellington paying rates on the pointless Town Hall. Stupid, vainglorious sentimental nonsense.
Get the wealthy church to pay for it. Its theirs isnt it?. Why should others pay.
You can never fix the square while that mess is still there. Knock it down ,truck the mess away and let the Anglican church build what they want or sell property back to the council so it can make an attraction that draws people and businesses back into the area. Time to get real.!?
Its sad to see that kiwis have not evolved at all....CHCH council should not be spending a cent on anything religious...what a drama!! But hey, worldwide its been going on for centuries...
whatever amount they need...triple it!!
What a cringe this guy was. Nothing of value here just a mocker with a voice. The Cathedral is as much a victim of our unsustainable building situation as housing is. Get used to the idea of leaving the site fallow for a more deserving generation to arise.
The cathedral should have been bulldozed down after the earthquake. The cathedral had been there for over a hundred years and was outdating our city. You can call me mean and Anti-religiious,but $80 million dollars is ridiculous. It would have been better to spend that much money on a fun park like disneyland which would probably cost more..it would be worth it as there is no fun parks in christchurch
No body cares which way