The scene with Midori is what almost made me give up reading this. To this day, I'm convinced that scene, is Punpun getting sexually assaulted (It's clear he was coerced into it and not into it at all, and taken advantage of by Midori, an older woman. She doesn't stop even when he's clearly crying and distressed. ). I'm not sure if he was a minor or not, but he's barely an adult if he is one. But such a thing just came and went in his life, like a lot of other things. No karma, nothing. Especially for young punpun. Reality is like that for a lot of people. That was almost too much for me. I'm glad I continued reading, because as tragic as it is, Punpun is a well written manga.
If anything its still rape as in the panels punpun starts crying as u said its so sad because the whole event changes punpun into someone his younger self wouldnt and couldn’t identify with, everything after the beginning of vol 3 is the decline in punpun as a person and his own personal downfall, turning to almost a couple rape and SA charges, then to a almost murder count it 3 times. Punpun is so sad because of what midori changed in him that day
Fr!!! He definitely started to crack that day. I hated midori since then. I also hate how his uncle did nothing even after learning about ti. He was just “i forgave her” WHAT ABOUT THE TRAUMA PUNPUN GOT FROM IT
@@ikimchi4753 i think this could be a commentary on how society views sexual assault with a male victim and a female perpetrator. Where society assumes far too often that a man should enjoy any sex he can get, so he shouldnt complain about being raped. So the victim isnt taken seriously. Which is awful, and still happens in many cultures today.
@@ikimchi4753 Well I think that’s the thing however. Midori may have came clean about what she did to Punpun, but may not have worded it in a way that explicitly paints her as a rapist/sexual assaulter. People tend to have a way of deflecting negative traits associated with themselves to protect their image to both others and themselves. So for all Yuuichi knows, Punpun “may have just gotten lucky that day”, which is a very common male perspective to have.
Glad to see someone finally talk about that Midori scene. As much punpun content as there is on RUclips, it seems like no one ever wants to talk about that scene despite it being one of the major turning points for punpun as a character and the manga as a whole. Punpun is the first media I consumed that displayed a young man get sexually assaulted by a women and showed the affects of it. Fantastic video, deserves much more attention
@@vin8754 sadly that part was very realistic of how that usually goes in real life. Both men and women have a tendency of not sharing or reporting their assaults. But yeah poor punpun, it was really all downhill after that point.
As I was reading and finished this manga, in my mind, Midori went from "Aw, she is so sweet and I hope she and Yuichi can someday be happy" to "Hope she dies" Seriously, it almost made me feel unbearably hopeless that she ended up with everything she wanted but at the end the author was a true genius because that was awfully realistic. People like her who seem sweet, wholesome and like they could never hurt anyone can hide such a horrendous side. Calling what she did to Punpun "consensual" is far from the truth and it's even worse that she kept getting herself into his life when Punpun didn't want it. The fact she never reaped what she sowed was... damn. Many aspects about this manga are just beautifully tragic and can make you end up feeling just hollow.
Imo, Midori is worse than Yuuichi. Yuuichi is depicted as a bad man, but he stopped before going over the line. Midori is depicted as a good woman, but she bunny hopped over the line.
Seems like a good example of rape culture, he did a horrible thing and still committed sexual abuse but because he still didn't do the big deed he's still somehow better than Midori who is truthfully the same level of shit
Yeah Yuuichi sexually abused a minor but Midori raped one, if we could pick which one we would prefer to happen i think sexual abuse would be better than rape
At least Yuichi felt a terrible amount of guilt for what he did, which almost led him to suicide. Midori never once seems to be aware of how much pain she caused Punpun.
one of the only videos I’ve seen analyzing this section of the manga. Once again, your analysis and perspective are very interesting and thought provoking. Midori and Yuichi are such broken characters. I wish Yuichi’s story was followed up more in the later volumes. I get that the story needed to go to other places but the little glimpses we see later on just makes me want more. Regarding Midori… She did a terrible and horrible thing to punpun and it’s almost impossible to look past. Even after her interaction at the cafe with punpun, she behaves like nothing has happened and treats punpun the same. Honestly, that might be what traumatized punpun the most. His fury, hate, and resentment toward Midori was most likely kept hidden away inside festering for years
It would be great to see Yuichi raising his son as a side story. I could only imagine how the two parents would act, but it would definitely make for some more interesting scenes. As for the cafe sex, it's hard to say if that damaged him more than Aiko. Regardless, it was definitely the final straw that sent him spiraling down. Hell of a ride, that's for sure. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Maybe I'm overly cynical but I think Yuichi is genuinely a piece of shit. I appreciate who he was for Punpun but overall, I'm disgusted with his need to seek out suspiciously younger women and his blase attitude to his initial girlfriend once she was "older"/"uglier." Although, I'm fully aware of how it reflects his fixation on the "beautiful end product." I'm also not exactly sympathetic with the fact that he cheated on Midori, it's an established pattern for him. And Midori assaulting Punpun as a manifestation of her loneliness is fucking awful, it's an incredibly upsetting upheaval of his youth. That scene broke my damn heart.
@@B3llyk0 um, I'm not sure if you think I'm excusing the fact that she raped him but I'm not. That's just why she did it, rape is never excusable, especially when it's the pedophilic type wtf. edit: actually I'm not sure which part of that implied I was giving Midori any benefit of the doubt for anything?
Part of the point with both him and Punpun is that they arent exactly the best people, but it doesnt mean theyre just totally irredeemable. Of course thats up to you but Yuichi didn't choose his disgusting interest, it takes him over, and the best he can do is ignore it or talk through it, which he tries. When you look at his actions, he still sucks ass, but to place all the impetus of his shittiness on desires he cant do anything about feels like missing the point a bit.
@@edwinbeta2806 Why do you take the presentation of his desires as an "unstoppable force" to be immutable law? And why do you think he can't do anything about it? What part of his actions did he lack choice in? I think the idea that it's something that "takes him over" is just an excuse to shirk responsibility for his thoughts and actions so I can't align myself with your perspective here.
Despite what he's done , I really liked Yuichi's character. He was heavily burdened by what happened in the past and he would always try to push away anyone trying to get close to him in the begining of the manga. Such a well written character and easily one of my favorites
I just read Yuuichi's past but I don't understand why he feels guilty. Was it for not preventing people from getting hurt and the girl from manipulating Washio? Why did he change his perception of religion later?
I don't really have a solid basis for my guess here, but I think the nameless girl was indeed being abused by her mother. All I have to go off of is how the mother responds to Yuichi's point blank accusation/ questioning of abusing her daughter, trying to steamroll past the topic by ignoring it and chattering away. I know "normal people would have done XYZ instead" is flawed logic, but I feel the mother's response is a) odd, and b) a deliberate decision by the mangaka (an in I think the oddness of the mother's response is something the author wants to express to the reader
Where in god's name does punpun and his family find all these crazy people and it seems like they let it rub off on them. But my god this author is a genius at showing emotion through eyes.
Because they are all around us too, our friends, family, including ourselves, we just haven't realized or come to terms with how insane everything and everyone is.
This part what happened between PunPun and Midori broke me,just as it did PunPun,good work on the video. Keep up the great work on the videos I can see you reaching 1000 soon
Yuichi may be the quickest example of a like-able character becoming despicable for me really quickly. What really seperates this story from most of what I’ve seen is that you’re stuck with these people, you have to understand they are capable of doing good things before things go bad. It’s just genuinely difficult to witness.
Its unfortunately harder than it seems to love yourself if you see nothing but the negatives, but practice and consistency will get you there, little by little
Everyone's circumstances make for quite the tangled web of events, that's for sure. Playing devil's advocate with the girl's innocence might be a stretch, but given the lack of information, you truly never know. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Idk it depends on what Mindori told yuuichi like most of everyone else I don’t find it hard to believe midori could make it sound a certain way allowing yuuichi to avoid imploding and rationalize it
excellent analysis! Im not all the way through yet, but I wanted to comment on something. One of my favorite things about punpun is how morally gray all the characters are. So despite yuichi being a protagonist, I don't think he's completely in the right and the Young girl is in the wrong. Yuichi was selfish and gave into his desires of cheating on his girlfriend with a child, I feel that shouldn't go unnoticed. I suppose the legal age is 16 in some parts of Japan but not all parts, in any case he's well into adulthood while she is still in adolescence. If it was an older woman, I would buy the "faking abuse" and manipulation, but I truly believe the Young girl was a broken soul reaching out out of desperation. Yuichi was a grown man and he should know better, and he KNOWS he should have known better, and I think that nuance is fascinating.
I'm glad that there's at least someone talking about this. That whole part didn't sit right with me and the (male) readers' reactions to it just confirmed the problem. During the whole arc, the girl is portrayed as a villain, while the author does everything to try to make you sympathize with the uncle. It was so disgusting how op (like many others in discussions I've read about it) continuously tried to justify it by bringing up that it's legal in japan or how it's normal for Yuichi to be swayed by beauty. No well adjusted adult should EVER think it's okay for a grown man to want to sleep with a 16 year old HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT. It reminds me of how in the movie adaptations of Lolita, the whole narrative, instead of showing the depravity of Humbert, portrays him as the victim, and Dolores as the evil manipulator, defeating the whole point of the book. I've been looking for interpretations of and discourse about this part of the manga in particular and it's so terrifying that the (mostly male) audience doesn't see any problem with it. (You can also notice the stark difference between the way this and Midori and Punpun's relationship is handled and interpreted but that's another discussion)
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401 I think the author does try to make you sympathise with Yuuichi but I'd say he makes it very clear he was fucked up through Yuuichi's own dialogue and self hatred! But yeah overall I've seen some fucked perspectives on this manga so far, namely on Midori raping Punpun and Yuuichi's affair.
@@mckinleyknight1775 You're right, Yuuichi is shown to feel remorse afterwards, but I think the concept of statutory rape should never even be approached from the "the child an evil manipulator and the adult is the real victim" standpoint in the first place. it's really harmful to actual victims. (Also I looked it up and in Tokyo, where it happened the age of consent is 18, so there's really no excuse)
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401 I also find it weird that people misconstrue the wrongness of yuichis actions. The whole point is that he knows what he did is fucked up, and can’t let go of that guilt. I think many readers interpret that as “he’s being too hard on himself”, which takes away the nuance of yuichis character and his sexual abuse he did inflict on a child.
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401you are projecting your view of “men” as a institution on the reader . I don’t know anyone who viewed Yuichi as a hero, and soon after Punpun was taken advantage of as well.
I am really enjoying your Punpun series. The way you narrate over the manga panels is so powerful and I like the way you let the art speak for itself. Really looking forward to the next installment.
Glad to hear you've liked the series so far, as well as the overall presentation. Still plenty to come, hope you'll enjoy the others in the near future!
Great video! Yuichi is probably my favorite character in the series. His demeanor and nihilistic personality are relatable. Your analysis on Yuichi and Midori give me a new perspective and make me reflect on my own relationship as well. Thanks a lot.
Hearing it again, Yuichi's backstory with the girl feels quite similar to the real life case of Gypsy Rose. Gypsy's plotted murder happened years after the manga, but basically it strikes me as "oh, it really is realistic". Similar case: a confined young girl, confined by her abused mother, seduces/manipulates a man into murdering her mother to free herself.
I dropped Goodnight Punpun after situation with Midori and especially her saying that what she did was Punpun's graduation gift. It was so awful. i remember throwing my phone at the wall (it didn't break thank god). I came back to this manga only after 5 years.
Covering difficult material to process is something we all need someone to do. I saw a few vids on his manga Most dealt with pun puns relationships lost love and regret The dramatic events , well demonetization comes to mind for most creators Ty for not worrying about this I got to know this story bc of your vid Don’t ever shy away When you look into the abyss It looks back But you’re only to choices are , face the abyss or run from it Facing it is the only way to grow We grow with it but there is no other way to grow. We must understand the darkness to grow past it A beautiful story
I'm suprised you didn't touch on what a perv Punpun is, himself. He tried to force himself on a classmate, and his own response to worrying about being reported for it? To cry and mstrbte in the rain. 😐 I'm not too certain where the timeline is falling for these events, but if Midori happened first, then her molestation of Punpun likely contributed.
He was abused and raped. Doesn't make his actions right, but it somewhat explains them. Masturbation for some abuse victims in a way of asserting control over their body, not too dissimiliar to self-harm but just with a different outcome. Punpun suffered alot in the story, but also did some evil shit too.
Was watching a few of your Pun Pun videos after finishing it just trying to digest everything didn't realize that it was a relatively small channel with how high quality the videos were keep up the good work!
First of all I want to thank you for introducing me to this series with your videos. I saw he first half of your general series breakdown and decided that I need to read the whole thing before I go any further, and I'm glad I did! Second, I want to talk about the scene between Midor and Punpun, because that easily had the biggest impact on me during my entire readthrough. The only way I can describe myself during that scene is borderline catatonic. The suddenness of it froze my blood. It dropped my emotions to a state I haven’t felt in a long time. I felt the broken vulnerability and trauma. I was wrecked. I wanted to go on, but I also felt absolutely sick to my core. I thought, “Surely, something will happen from this! We’ll see Punpun address this trauma and get over it! We’ll see Midori as the rapist she is!” But… That’s not what happened. Midori faces no consequences. And, although he doesn’t realize the cause, Punpun is terribly affected in all of his actions with his sex life and how he treats girls afterwards. The way he seems to desperately seek sex and approval from the girls around him after that. How he disregards the feelings of the other girls. How he almost commits sexual assault multiple times. How he feels a deep emptiness and sadness from/after his interactions with other women. And much more. In my opinion, this stemming from this sexual assault trauma commited to him by Midori. Although I was never sexually assaulted by someone in my life, I do have trauma related to sexuality, and PunPun reminds me all to much of how deep and seemingly unnoticable those scars are. And how those scars will drive you to possibly hurt others as well as yourself… But Midori, Punpun, and Yuuichi don’t realize that this event has incredibly deep consequences leading to his future actions. It still shakes me, and as many others have said, I almost stopped reading. It was almost a feeling close to “secondary trauma” as I read it. I think the Manga is brilliant in this portrayal though, as it feels almost unbearably real in how this sort of F to M sexual assault is actually dealt with in real life, and its consequences… That said, it feels like it could easily go over a lot of readers heads who aren’t reading close enough, or who have little to no knowledge on sexual trauma such as this (how its perpetrated and the affects it can have on someone’s future). Anyways, thanks again for introducing me to this series! I'll be watching your other videos about it now, lol
Buen video, creo que no hay que dejar de hablar que la escena de sexo entre Midori y Punpun fue una violación, se lo naturaliza llegando al punto que su tio le habla con total naturalidad como si estuviera reprochandole que él ya sabe y que se quede tranquilo que no esta enfadado, Me hubiese gustado que Yuichi hubiese reaccionado de otra manera pero debido a su naturaleza lujuriosa no lo pudo ver más allá de un engaño por parte de Midori.
With whether or not Yuichi would have went along with that daughter's plan of killing her mother, I would like to think he wouldn't. Or at least, try to find out the truth rather than blindly doing it like Washio in the middle of the pottery class. Like I see him asking the mother if she really does tie her daughter up and then going for the kill when the mother avoids the question too many times (which is very suspicious and points to the conclusion that she does do it). Though we wouldn't know what would have happened.
Midori is easily the worst one here. What she did was clearly a SA because PunPun was still a minor, and it was clearly an awful situation. But more then that, her using him as emotional support even before assault part was nasty and disgusting. Having such a young kid, used in such a way is awful and disgusting thing.
I can relate with this punpun dude so much for the longest time I thought that I was a waste of space but I’ve m gotten better over time. I wonder if the author hade a similar experience…..
Fantastic video, my friend. I Finished Punpun about a few days ago, and this video really puts certain parts of the story way more in perspective than before. Will definitely view more of your content in the near future. Hope you get more subscribers, cause you definitely deserve them.
what happaned to punpun goes on to really effect him and when punpun was asking aiko who gave you that bruise aiko said lets do it and punpun says ok and doesnt care anymore for some reason i think thats a connection
everything went wrong when Midori SA'd pun pun, the fact I predicted this shit happening when she said pun pun looked awfully a lot like his uncle I had this sick feeling in my stomach
Really love the video! The way you deconstructed the story and unearthed key insights really shows the level of passion and effort you put into these videos! The quality of the videos you put out is outstanding! Just my two cents but Yuichi's self-hatred really reminds me of the main character from Dostoevsky's "Notes from the Underground". The way Yuichi "confesses" to Midori...it reminds me so much of that story!
To be honest out of all the characters in the manga Midori is the one who gives me the creeps. Since that chapter everything she does just seems like her putting up a front. It feels oddly unreal and forced. Yuichi too just seems like he's accepting his fate, saying how she can be self centric and selfish.
Midori is the reason I stopped reading this. The fact she never got any consequence or punishment is worse. She ruined two lives and thought it was nothing.
EXCUSE ME THIS IS AMAZING WHAT I WENT TO LIKE THE VID AFTER WATCHING IT AND IT HAD THAT LITTLE LIKES?? sorry for all caps im just baffled have a nice day
Fuck, those people think too abstractly about their lives. It seems to be the reason why Youichi is so depressed, apart from the trust issues coming from his experiences with that other girl.
That was what I was thinking the entire time! I mean, I was chronically depressed and I know that it's easy to have tunnel vision in that state, and focus more on the bad than the good. But 1. I knew there was always good, the bad was mainly within myself, self hate lol and 2. purpose(lack thereof, in this case) never really bothered me. In fact, it freed me! It doesn't matter that I'm (supposedly) terrible, if nothing matters!
Although, if I had actually done terrible acts, like cheating and sa, then maybe I wouldn't think so lightly about it? But, yet again, that doesn't matter because it's impossible at this point. I didn't do anything, especially at such a young age, to warrant such hate from myself. I'm not gonna do anything like that bc tf. If life is meaningless, the self-hate is meaningless! Even though the good things would be meaningless too, they feel good so why not indulge! That's all I need, I've realized.
Reading this manga was a ride. Glad i didn't stop at any point. Took almost 3 days to finish though, full of lessons and trainwrecks of reality. As good and as bad as Fire Punch
...F Y midori ... No one can give safeplace for punpun ... Shit being si dark they might all need therapy ... Neither father , mother are satisfied with what they have. Yuuhichi find the oddest wife to be pair with who is somewhat obscess with him yet she is now with yuuhichi are maybe a weird pair who will raise a child for now
Yeah it felt like such a betrayal. She and Yuichi were the only safe persons in Punpun's life, and she broke this bond out of nowhere by forcing him to have sex with her, ruining Punpun's life even further.
i believe she did it because yuuichi disappeared for a long time and cheated on her, which can take a huge toll on someone who literally stayed and wanted to change him despite his character and past (something that will repel a lot of people). she herself is already quite a feeble person and acted out of vulnerability because she simply desired a connection to make up for the loss and the only thing that could give her that was forcing it out of another person who wouldn’t fight back, which sadly had to be punpun. i hope nobody thinks i’m excusing it, simply because i’m giving a reason. but it’s just an explanation to build more understanding of the situation and i think that adds more depth to the story
I'd love to see you make an analysis of Welcome to the NHK, i feel like you could make a much more comprehensive video about it and find meaning that others might not
0:00 Intro
1:39 Part 1: Sobriety
9:28 Part 2: Intoxication
24:47 Part 3: Detox
30:14 Part 4: Relapse
35:10 Part 5: Dependence
47:02 Conclusion
(Listens to Part 3: Detox) Finally something good is happening, things can only go uphill from now on
(Part 4: Relapse title card pops up)
Oh fuck off
The scene with Midori is what almost made me give up reading this. To this day, I'm convinced that scene, is Punpun getting sexually assaulted (It's clear he was coerced into it and not into it at all, and taken advantage of by Midori, an older woman. She doesn't stop even when he's clearly crying and distressed. ). I'm not sure if he was a minor or not, but he's barely an adult if he is one. But such a thing just came and went in his life, like a lot of other things. No karma, nothing. Especially for young punpun. Reality is like that for a lot of people. That was almost too much for me. I'm glad I continued reading, because as tragic as it is, Punpun is a well written manga.
If anything its still rape as in the panels punpun starts crying as u said its so sad because the whole event changes punpun into someone his younger self wouldnt and couldn’t identify with, everything after the beginning of vol 3 is the decline in punpun as a person and his own personal downfall, turning to almost a couple rape and SA charges, then to a almost murder count it 3 times. Punpun is so sad because of what midori changed in him that day
Fr!!! He definitely started to crack that day. I hated midori since then. I also hate how his uncle did nothing even after learning about ti. He was just “i forgave her” WHAT ABOUT THE TRAUMA PUNPUN GOT FROM IT
@@ikimchi4753 i think this could be a commentary on how society views sexual assault with a male victim and a female perpetrator. Where society assumes far too often that a man should enjoy any sex he can get, so he shouldnt complain about being raped. So the victim isnt taken seriously. Which is awful, and still happens in many cultures today.
@@ikimchi4753 I really wish they would've revisited that incident
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Well I think that’s the thing however. Midori may have came clean about what she did to Punpun, but may not have worded it in a way that explicitly paints her as a rapist/sexual assaulter. People tend to have a way of deflecting negative traits associated with themselves to protect their image to both others and themselves. So for all Yuuichi knows, Punpun “may have just gotten lucky that day”, which is a very common male perspective to have.
Glad to see someone finally talk about that Midori scene. As much punpun content as there is on RUclips, it seems like no one ever wants to talk about that scene despite it being one of the major turning points for punpun as a character and the manga as a whole. Punpun is the first media I consumed that displayed a young man get sexually assaulted by a women and showed the affects of it. Fantastic video, deserves much more attention
I fucking hate that Midori got a happy ending with no repercussions whatsoever for what she did to him
@@vin8754 sadly that part was very realistic of how that usually goes in real life. Both men and women have a tendency of not sharing or reporting their assaults. But yeah poor punpun, it was really all downhill after that point.
Invincible also showcased assault and its consequences on the individual
As I was reading and finished this manga, in my mind, Midori went from "Aw, she is so sweet and I hope she and Yuichi can someday be happy" to "Hope she dies"
Seriously, it almost made me feel unbearably hopeless that she ended up with everything she wanted but at the end the author was a true genius because that was awfully realistic. People like her who seem sweet, wholesome and like they could never hurt anyone can hide such a horrendous side. Calling what she did to Punpun "consensual" is far from the truth and it's even worse that she kept getting herself into his life when Punpun didn't want it. The fact she never reaped what she sowed was... damn. Many aspects about this manga are just beautifully tragic and can make you end up feeling just hollow.
The fact that she called what she did to punpun a “graduation gift” made me absolutely loathe her
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Imo, Midori is worse than Yuuichi.
Yuuichi is depicted as a bad man, but he stopped before going over the line.
Midori is depicted as a good woman, but she bunny hopped over the line.
Isn't that how things usually go, though?
Nah they’re both equally terrible
Seems like a good example of rape culture, he did a horrible thing and still committed sexual abuse but because he still didn't do the big deed he's still somehow better than Midori who is truthfully the same level of shit
Yeah Yuuichi sexually abused a minor but Midori raped one, if we could pick which one we would prefer to happen i think sexual abuse would be better than rape
@@childeater319 what about neither😭😭
At least Yuichi felt a terrible amount of guilt for what he did, which almost led him to suicide. Midori never once seems to be aware of how much pain she caused Punpun.
On top of that she thinks she gave him a gift. The audacity!
i couldnt believe the chapter when i saw it it was fucked
one of the only videos I’ve seen analyzing this section of the manga. Once again, your analysis and perspective are very interesting and thought provoking. Midori and Yuichi are such broken characters. I wish Yuichi’s story was followed up more in the later volumes. I get that the story needed to go to other places but the little glimpses we see later on just makes me want more. Regarding Midori… She did a terrible and horrible thing to punpun and it’s almost impossible to look past. Even after her interaction at the cafe with punpun, she behaves like nothing has happened and treats punpun the same. Honestly, that might be what traumatized punpun the most. His fury, hate, and resentment toward Midori was most likely kept hidden away inside festering for years
It would be great to see Yuichi raising his son as a side story. I could only imagine how the two parents would act, but it would definitely make for some more interesting scenes. As for the cafe sex, it's hard to say if that damaged him more than Aiko. Regardless, it was definitely the final straw that sent him spiraling down. Hell of a ride, that's for sure. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Maybe I'm overly cynical but I think Yuichi is genuinely a piece of shit.
I appreciate who he was for Punpun but overall, I'm disgusted with his need to seek out suspiciously younger women and his blase attitude to his initial girlfriend once she was "older"/"uglier." Although, I'm fully aware of how it reflects his fixation on the "beautiful end product."
I'm also not exactly sympathetic with the fact that he cheated on Midori, it's an established pattern for him.
And Midori assaulting Punpun as a manifestation of her loneliness is fucking awful, it's an incredibly upsetting upheaval of his youth. That scene broke my damn heart.
Both yuichi and Midori did the same in the end, so giving her an excuse for her acts is kinda hypocritical tbh
@@B3llyk0 um, I'm not sure if you think I'm excusing the fact that she raped him but I'm not. That's just why she did it, rape is never excusable, especially when it's the pedophilic type wtf.
edit: actually I'm not sure which part of that implied I was giving Midori any benefit of the doubt for anything?
b3lly792 we trully live in a society.
Part of the point with both him and Punpun is that they arent exactly the best people, but it doesnt mean theyre just totally irredeemable. Of course thats up to you but
Yuichi didn't choose his disgusting interest, it takes him over, and the best he can do is ignore it or talk through it, which he tries. When you look at his actions, he still sucks ass, but to place all the impetus of his shittiness on desires he cant do anything about feels like missing the point a bit.
@@edwinbeta2806 Why do you take the presentation of his desires as an "unstoppable force" to be immutable law? And why do you think he can't do anything about it? What part of his actions did he lack choice in?
I think the idea that it's something that "takes him over" is just an excuse to shirk responsibility for his thoughts and actions so I can't align myself with your perspective here.
Despite what he's done , I really liked Yuichi's character. He was heavily burdened by what happened in the past and he would always try to push away anyone trying to get close to him in the begining of the manga. Such a well written character and easily one of my favorites
I agree so much with you
I hate him but I love how well written he is
I just read Yuuichi's past but I don't understand why he feels guilty. Was it for not preventing people from getting hurt and the girl from manipulating Washio?
Why did he change his perception of religion later?
@@kayo_ts maybe because he sexually groomed a minor...
I don't really have a solid basis for my guess here, but I think the nameless girl was indeed being abused by her mother. All I have to go off of is how the mother responds to Yuichi's point blank accusation/ questioning of abusing her daughter, trying to steamroll past the topic by ignoring it and chattering away. I know "normal people would have done XYZ instead" is flawed logic, but I feel the mother's response is a) odd, and b) a deliberate decision by the mangaka (an in I think the oddness of the mother's response is something the author wants to express to the reader
Where in god's name does punpun and his family find all these crazy people and it seems like they let it rub off on them.
But my god this author is a genius at showing emotion through eyes.
Because they are all around us too, our friends, family, including ourselves, we just haven't realized or come to terms with how insane everything and everyone is.
This part what happened between PunPun and Midori broke me,just as it did PunPun,good work on the video.
Keep up the great work on the videos I can see you reaching 1000 soon
Yuichi may be the quickest example of a like-able character becoming despicable for me really quickly. What really seperates this story from most of what I’ve seen is that you’re stuck with these people, you have to understand they are capable of doing good things before things go bad. It’s just genuinely difficult to witness.
I feel bad for that 16 year old girl. She had to do what she had to do to survive
Man, never hate yourself. It can quickly get crazy and make you do things that will only make everything worse.
Its unfortunately harder than it seems to love yourself if you see nothing but the negatives, but practice and consistency will get you there, little by little
After finshing this manga i think i'll go off myself now.
@@IMMA_MINER please dont
Great video as always
Everyone's circumstances make for quite the tangled web of events, that's for sure. Playing devil's advocate with the girl's innocence might be a stretch, but given the lack of information, you truly never know. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Punpun does not deserve this.....yuuichi is terrible to not do anything about his son getting assaulted like that
Idk it depends on what Mindori told yuuichi like most of everyone else I don’t find it hard to believe midori could make it sound a certain way allowing yuuichi to avoid imploding and rationalize it
@@Ace-0f-Spadez wdym I have not read anything this is the only vid I seen from the story. I just feel bad all that happened to punpun
excellent analysis! Im not all the way through yet, but I wanted to comment on something. One of my favorite things about punpun is how morally gray all the characters are. So despite yuichi being a protagonist, I don't think he's completely in the right and the Young girl is in the wrong. Yuichi was selfish and gave into his desires of cheating on his girlfriend with a child, I feel that shouldn't go unnoticed. I suppose the legal age is 16 in some parts of Japan but not all parts, in any case he's well into adulthood while she is still in adolescence. If it was an older woman, I would buy the "faking abuse" and manipulation, but I truly believe the Young girl was a broken soul reaching out out of desperation. Yuichi was a grown man and he should know better, and he KNOWS he should have known better, and I think that nuance is fascinating.
I'm glad that there's at least someone talking about this. That whole part didn't sit right with me and the (male) readers' reactions to it just confirmed the problem. During the whole arc, the girl is portrayed as a villain, while the author does everything to try to make you sympathize with the uncle. It was so disgusting how op (like many others in discussions I've read about it) continuously tried to justify it by bringing up that it's legal in japan or how it's normal for Yuichi to be swayed by beauty. No well adjusted adult should EVER think it's okay for a grown man to want to sleep with a 16 year old HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT. It reminds me of how in the movie adaptations of Lolita, the whole narrative, instead of showing the depravity of Humbert, portrays him as the victim, and Dolores as the evil manipulator, defeating the whole point of the book. I've been looking for interpretations of and discourse about this part of the manga in particular and it's so terrifying that the (mostly male) audience doesn't see any problem with it. (You can also notice the stark difference between the way this and Midori and Punpun's relationship is handled and interpreted but that's another discussion)
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401 I think the author does try to make you sympathise with Yuuichi but I'd say he makes it very clear he was fucked up through Yuuichi's own dialogue and self hatred! But yeah overall I've seen some fucked perspectives on this manga so far, namely on Midori raping Punpun and Yuuichi's affair.
@@mckinleyknight1775 You're right, Yuuichi is shown to feel remorse afterwards, but I think the concept of statutory rape should never even be approached from the "the child an evil manipulator and the adult is the real victim" standpoint in the first place. it's really harmful to actual victims. (Also I looked it up and in Tokyo, where it happened the age of consent is 18, so there's really no excuse)
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401 I also find it weird that people misconstrue the wrongness of yuichis actions. The whole point is that he knows what he did is fucked up, and can’t let go of that guilt. I think many readers interpret that as “he’s being too hard on himself”, which takes away the nuance of yuichis character and his sexual abuse he did inflict on a child.
@@wldnbsvxajyb6401you are projecting your view of “men” as a institution on the reader .
I don’t know anyone who viewed Yuichi as a hero, and soon after Punpun was taken advantage of as well.
Yuuichi is my favorite character for being so low but so aware of his state. I loved this breakdown.
I have to sub.
He’s 100% one of my favourite characters of all time.
I am really enjoying your Punpun series. The way you narrate over the manga panels is so powerful and I like the way you let the art speak for itself. Really looking forward to the next installment.
Glad to hear you've liked the series so far, as well as the overall presentation. Still plenty to come, hope you'll enjoy the others in the near future!
@@lexaand That's fantastic to hear! Really looking forward to more of your videos. :)
Thumbnail and title juxtaposition could not be more cursed and accurate
I wouldn't call what happened between Punpun and Midori as "sex", more so it was more like coercion, aka sexual assault...
Great video! Yuichi is probably my favorite character in the series. His demeanor and nihilistic personality are relatable. Your analysis on Yuichi and Midori give me a new perspective and make me reflect on my own relationship as well. Thanks a lot.
Hearing it again, Yuichi's backstory with the girl feels quite similar to the real life case of Gypsy Rose. Gypsy's plotted murder happened years after the manga, but basically it strikes me as "oh, it really is realistic". Similar case: a confined young girl, confined by her abused mother, seduces/manipulates a man into murdering her mother to free herself.
Aiko
Her abusive mother
Punpun
I dropped Goodnight Punpun after situation with Midori and especially her saying that what she did was Punpun's graduation gift. It was so awful. i remember throwing my phone at the wall (it didn't break thank god). I came back to this manga only after 5 years.
You need psychological help if your response to a work of fiction about things that never happened is to throw your phone at the wall.
@@marishiten5944 Tf is your problem
@@marishiten5944based
Thank you for making this. It makes me self reflect a lot.
Glad it could help in that way
this was the moment punpun became heisenburg
Covering difficult material to process is something we all need someone to do.
I saw a few vids on his manga
Most dealt with pun puns relationships lost love and regret
The dramatic events , well demonetization comes to mind for most creators
Ty for not worrying about this
I got to know this story bc of your vid
Don’t ever shy away
When you look into the abyss
It looks back
But you’re only to choices are , face the abyss or run from it
Facing it is the only way to grow
We grow with it but there is no other way to grow.
We must understand the darkness to grow past it
A beautiful story
I'm suprised you didn't touch on what a perv Punpun is, himself. He tried to force himself on a classmate, and his own response to worrying about being reported for it? To cry and mstrbte in the rain. 😐 I'm not too certain where the timeline is falling for these events, but if Midori happened first, then her molestation of Punpun likely contributed.
Maybe it was the fact that he practically was mentally a deranged ass kid due to what he has been exposed to
It’s not justifiable what he’s done but his life was far from fucking decent
He was abused and raped. Doesn't make his actions right, but it somewhat explains them. Masturbation for some abuse victims in a way of asserting control over their body, not too dissimiliar to self-harm but just with a different outcome. Punpun suffered alot in the story, but also did some evil shit too.
Look at the people that punpun grew up with and what happened to him as a child. He never even got a chance to be 'normal'
@@vin8754 true
Was watching a few of your Pun Pun videos after finishing it just trying to digest everything didn't realize that it was a relatively small channel with how high quality the videos were keep up the good work!
First of all I want to thank you for introducing me to this series with your videos. I saw he first half of your general series breakdown and decided that I need to read the whole thing before I go any further, and I'm glad I did!
Second, I want to talk about the scene between Midor and Punpun, because that easily had the biggest impact on me during my entire readthrough. The only way I can describe myself during that scene is borderline catatonic. The suddenness of it froze my blood. It dropped my emotions to a state I haven’t felt in a long time. I felt the broken vulnerability and trauma. I was wrecked. I wanted to go on, but I also felt absolutely sick to my core.
I thought, “Surely, something will happen from this! We’ll see Punpun address this trauma and get over it! We’ll see Midori as the rapist she is!” But… That’s not what happened. Midori faces no consequences. And, although he doesn’t realize the cause, Punpun is terribly affected in all of his actions with his sex life and how he treats girls afterwards. The way he seems to desperately seek sex and approval from the girls around him after that. How he disregards the feelings of the other girls. How he almost commits sexual assault multiple times. How he feels a deep emptiness and sadness from/after his interactions with other women. And much more. In my opinion, this stemming from this sexual assault trauma commited to him by Midori.
Although I was never sexually assaulted by someone in my life, I do have trauma related to sexuality, and PunPun reminds me all to much of how deep and seemingly unnoticable those scars are. And how those scars will drive you to possibly hurt others as well as yourself… But Midori, Punpun, and Yuuichi don’t realize that this event has incredibly deep consequences leading to his future actions.
It still shakes me, and as many others have said, I almost stopped reading. It was almost a feeling close to “secondary trauma” as I read it. I think the Manga is brilliant in this portrayal though, as it feels almost unbearably real in how this sort of F to M sexual assault is actually dealt with in real life, and its consequences… That said, it feels like it could easily go over a lot of readers heads who aren’t reading close enough, or who have little to no knowledge on sexual trauma such as this (how its perpetrated and the affects it can have on someone’s future).
Anyways, thanks again for introducing me to this series! I'll be watching your other videos about it now, lol
I hope you're in a better place ❤
@@shindarene6900 Hi there! Thank you for the kind words.
And here I am just finishing up another punpun video & you realease another banger.
Buen video, creo que no hay que dejar de hablar que la escena de sexo entre Midori y Punpun fue una violación, se lo naturaliza llegando al punto que su tio le habla con total naturalidad como si estuviera reprochandole que él ya sabe y que se quede tranquilo que no esta enfadado, Me hubiese gustado que Yuichi hubiese reaccionado de otra manera pero debido a su naturaleza lujuriosa no lo pudo ver más allá de un engaño por parte de Midori.
This level of quality deserves more
With whether or not Yuichi would have went along with that daughter's plan of killing her mother, I would like to think he wouldn't. Or at least, try to find out the truth rather than blindly doing it like Washio in the middle of the pottery class. Like I see him asking the mother if she really does tie her daughter up and then going for the kill when the mother avoids the question too many times (which is very suspicious and points to the conclusion that she does do it).
Though we wouldn't know what would have happened.
i was missing the punpun content, this video was amazing.
Midori is easily the worst one here. What she did was clearly a SA because PunPun was still a minor, and it was clearly an awful situation.
But more then that, her using him as emotional support even before assault part was nasty and disgusting.
Having such a young kid, used in such a way is awful and disgusting thing.
I wished it was me fr😭😭😭
there's actually no way you have so little subs with such high video quality
The quality this video is amazing ! i'm glad RUclips recommanded me this video, keep up the good work ! :)
Will do, thank you very much!
This and Berserk my top favorite manga. Litchi (Lychee) Hikari Club ranks pretty high too. Thanks for the excellent look into this masterpiece.
I can relate with this punpun dude so much for the longest time I thought that I was a waste of space but I’ve m gotten better over time. I wonder if the author hade a similar experience…..
Algorithm has blessed me, phenomenal video
why is this so high quality, you deserve a lot more subs dude!
Wow… this was a great breakdown! Time to look for your other videos!
Thanks a lot, I hope you enjoy the others as well!
Fantastic video, my friend. I Finished Punpun about a few days ago, and this video really puts certain parts of the story way more in perspective than before. Will definitely view more of your content in the near future. Hope you get more subscribers, cause you definitely deserve them.
Just with one Chapter, Midori went from 100 to 0 real quick
I wished i was it was me fr
what happaned to punpun goes on to really effect him and when punpun was asking aiko who gave you that bruise aiko said lets do it and punpun says ok and doesnt care anymore for some reason i think thats a connection
everything went wrong when Midori SA'd pun pun, the fact I predicted this shit happening when she said pun pun looked awfully a lot like his uncle I had this sick feeling in my stomach
This Video was recommended to me. You Sir are going places
I liked and subscribed
One of the most brilliantly written pieces of media I’ve ever consumed
worlds most underated channel
You have to choose to be happy. Don't rely on things, people.
It’s simple, I see pun pun, I click.
Really love the video! The way you deconstructed the story and unearthed key insights really shows the level of passion and effort you put into these videos! The quality of the videos you put out is outstanding!
Just my two cents but Yuichi's self-hatred really reminds me of the main character from Dostoevsky's "Notes from the Underground". The way Yuichi "confesses" to Midori...it reminds me so much of that story!
This is the best explanation video for punpun uncle that i watced
umm mate your videos are too high quality for you to be a channel with only 740 subs keep it up!!
Really appreciate that, thanks!
This series is amazing, thank you so much
Midori isn’t a human, she’s a monster
oh i'm gonna love this video, keep making more.
Thank you for the high quality content and presentation .
Your way of telling and describing thing is more than excellent .
Right before the Dark story elevator music back to the dark story
Another great video. Keep it up my man
To be honest out of all the characters in the manga Midori is the one who gives me the creeps. Since that chapter everything she does just seems like her putting up a front. It feels oddly unreal and forced. Yuichi too just seems like he's accepting his fate, saying how she can be self centric and selfish.
Midori is the reason I stopped reading this. The fact she never got any consequence or punishment is worse. She ruined two lives and thought it was nothing.
Keep up the good work
Will do!
EXCUSE ME THIS IS AMAZING WHAT
I WENT TO LIKE THE VID AFTER WATCHING IT AND IT HAD THAT LITTLE LIKES??
sorry for all caps
im just baffled
have a nice day
This was an amazing story but i can't help but relate the MC to [[BIGSHOT]]
Fuck, those people think too abstractly about their lives. It seems to be the reason why Youichi is so depressed, apart from the trust issues coming from his experiences with that other girl.
That was what I was thinking the entire time! I mean, I was chronically depressed and I know that it's easy to have tunnel vision in that state, and focus more on the bad than the good. But 1. I knew there was always good, the bad was mainly within myself, self hate lol and 2. purpose(lack thereof, in this case) never really bothered me. In fact, it freed me! It doesn't matter that I'm (supposedly) terrible, if nothing matters!
Although, if I had actually done terrible acts, like cheating and sa, then maybe I wouldn't think so lightly about it?
But, yet again, that doesn't matter because it's impossible at this point. I didn't do anything, especially at such a young age, to warrant such hate from myself. I'm not gonna do anything like that bc tf.
If life is meaningless, the self-hate is meaningless! Even though the good things would be meaningless too, they feel good so why not indulge! That's all I need, I've realized.
Tl;dr: If only the Onodera family knew about "positive nihilism."
Or Buddhism.
Ok I'll stop spamming, I just agree very very much
underrated bro
I really like your content, Keep it up!
Reading this manga was a ride. Glad i didn't stop at any point. Took almost 3 days to finish though, full of lessons and trainwrecks of reality. As good and as bad as Fire Punch
Wonderful explanation n wise use of words waiting for your next video.... Also try homunculus
Really awesome video
This was sooo good man, good job!
Thank you very much!
...F Y midori ... No one can give safeplace for punpun ... Shit being si dark they might all need therapy ... Neither father , mother are satisfied with what they have. Yuuhichi find the oddest wife to be pair with who is somewhat obscess with him yet she is now with yuuhichi are maybe a weird pair who will raise a child for now
I really like your videos
He doesn't want it
GET THIS GUY MORE SUBS
Yuiichi was my fav in pun pun...
great video
I just finished reading Midori sexual assault to punpun and it's very much fucked up I have never read something so fucked up
Boy this story makes me lose faith in humanity and wanna unexist. Good analysis tho
At least they didn`t die
Sh osts, nice touch
chris hansssen
Please review mushi-shi.
But why is he a walking crayon?
44:00 what music is this?
Aboveground Urban Area A (Shin Megami Tensei IV OST)
Hey, what's the name of the song at 1:46?
Null Moon from the Silent Hill 2 OST
@@lexaand thanks brah
Jeez I really liked midori until that stupid point, what the hell was wrong with her 😭😭
Shes perfect
Yeah it felt like such a betrayal. She and Yuichi were the only safe persons in Punpun's life, and she broke this bond out of nowhere by forcing him to have sex with her, ruining Punpun's life even further.
i believe she did it because yuuichi disappeared for a long time and cheated on her, which can take a huge toll on someone who literally stayed and wanted to change him despite his character and past (something that will repel a lot of people). she herself is already quite a feeble person and acted out of vulnerability because she simply desired a connection to make up for the loss and the only thing that could give her that was forcing it out of another person who wouldn’t fight back, which sadly had to be punpun.
i hope nobody thinks i’m excusing it, simply because i’m giving a reason. but it’s just an explanation to build more understanding of the situation and i think that adds more depth to the story
Wat da hell did i just read
Insta subscribe :)
Wuw
Too long imo. I've read this and most of the time you just repeat the story.
I stopped watching at "panpan"
I'd love to see you make an analysis of Welcome to the NHK, i feel like you could make a much more comprehensive video about it and find meaning that others might not
He doesn't want it