Thanks for the wonderful videos! It's great to see someone as enthusiastic about their 23'; we have been sailing Molly in the Chesapeake Bay for 30 seasons now. She is a 1984 23/II. Many years ago we made 7kts sustained for some hours, but we were riding a favorable tide from Solomons Island MD to Oxford MD. And to add to the good fortune Molly stayed on a beam reach for the whole time, with the wind changing to the south when we pointed east. The trip was finished by lunchtime. It has never happened again.
Hello, I appreciate you checking out my vids. I've owned sailboats for most of my life, but this one's my favorite. For me it's the perfect combination. Like you, I see myself keeping her for a long time. I think my time consuming little horse ranch home has sold and some serious sailing time is ahead. There's a lot I haven't seen and time is not on my side. You are in sailing heaven and the wind gods have blessed. I'll be out there reaching for 7 knots now. Thanks!
I hope you found your sailboat on my list in the video description. And I hope it's near the top. Please help support this little sailing channel from Texas by subscribing, liking and commenting. That's ya'll!
I have a 23 and is really cool to see you sail in the bay. I have nice little quick release pin on my rudder in the hole you identified. Mine has only seen inland lakes. Might just have bring her down sometime.
Glad to hear it. I'm going to drill out my old blade and pin my rudder down with that hole. It will hold me until it's foil replacement. I've got my helmsman trained up and we are ready to video some windy days and big waves. I've had her out on Galveston Bay in near gale force winds already and never was worried. But when running hard downwind and surfing small waves, water would enter the cockpit through the drains. It kind of spooked me at first. I may need a couple one-way scupper covers. Also in high waves with short length the outboard propeller ventilation is a problem. Galveston Bay can get nasty, but so much fun. Thanks!
I added a foil rudder to .y 23 and drilled a hole through the head stock and rudder for a nylon toilet seat bolt. No more loose rudder but the bolt wil! shear if the rudder strikes bottom. Anti foul ed the rudder.
I have been using a varnished wooden dowel for the same purpose. The varnish keeps it from swelling. Once upon a time it worked its way out of the hole, so I put a hole for a "hairpin cotter" in each end of the dowel. I keep a supply of them onboard as we do break one every so often.@@smallsailboatbigwater3959
Heyyy!! 👋🏻🌴Some decent swells once you guys got the MS out in the open. Lookin' good Mitch, and that extended sailing sounds plenty exciting!! All is well on this end, enjoying the peaceful life, doing a little writing, truly blessed. Hopefully you're resettled and well into the new phase of things. All the best in your upcoming adventures, will be watching for ya! ⚓😎
Heyyy Cheryl!!! It's great to hear from you and that you're where you want to be. Writing huh??? I'm on approach. My lil ranch is on the market. I'm glad it hasn't sold just yet. I'm really enjoying being here knowing it won't last forever. If I buy another house it'll probably have neighbor's close by and that will take some getting use to. Zen and I are still together and doing great. I mention in a video that everyone needs to find their zen, but that's actually her name. She has been the force of calm that my life needed. She's a real blessing to me. I just got back from hiking in Austin and can feel the Texas Hill Country beckoning me to return. So much I want to do and so little time. Another video in the works. Thanks Cheryl!!!
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 find their zen, ha! how did I miss that subliminal hint, lol! Thanks for sharing the update it's awesome to hear all the good things happening!
@@christinaqueeno3874 yes, I’m happy with this boat’s speed. I wonder if these are the original sails. Someday I’ll get some new crispy ones. Thanks for watching Christina.
Great sail, thank you!! I wonder if the load capacity increases as the load increases because the hull flares out providing more floatation?? Make sense?
(Sorry for the confused wording, I was trying type and post quickly). It takes 564 pounds to make the hull sink one inch. As the hull is submerged farther, it “flares” out producing an increased reserve buoyancy. So, to sink the hull an additional inch would require more than 564 pounds.
I think you mean that if from the waterline the hull shape was straight up without the traditional curved shape of the hull there would be less buoyancy.@@randykaminski6214
It is rather odd that we also find our Compac 23 the only boat out sailing in any weather! Kinda lonely on Airtime out in the bay! Sweet little boats, huh!
Absolutely! I could be wrong, but I think most sailors can handle themselves out there. It's the departure and docking that terrifies them. I don't blame them. Operating a boat that is hard to see the end of, in close proximity to expensive toys can take the fun out of it. I'll be sailing tomorrow alone again without a worry or care in the world. Just like you. Thanks.
Hey Squally! I'm trying my best to enjoy these cool days while they last. It seems like the older I get, the more I value my time. I've gotten good at avoiding people who are time wasters and lack a driving force to their own dreams. I just had to get that out, thanks Squally!
I dont believe they used a shear pin, that was a prior owner mod....but Com pac is still in biz here in FL...yes they got replacement parts, could just be a worn out bolt and handle....or you may if the housing is worn a small shim inside against the rudder. hoiwever seeing you enjoy the boat check out a new rudder blade aftermarket foil rudder, hear that makes a huge improvement over just the alum straight blade rudder
That's kind of what I thought, but was second guessing myself when I saw that hole in the rudder head. That's good advice about the bolt and handle, most likely 40 year old originals. A shim sounds good also for my next upcoming sail. I really look forward to experiencing the foil rudder feel and pointing higher. Thanks for your comments.
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 I owned a 16, 19 and 23 compac. tough boats. the 16 I took offshore in florida. spent 6 days on it. Even sailed that one once bare poles. boat could take more than I could. Now I have a sovereign america 20, if you see one look at the hull from rub rail down, some say its a montgomery hull however looks the same as a compac 19 hull with shoal keel....
Sounds like a real adventure in a great location. I want to get mine out in bigger air and really put her on her ear. Small boats are so fun. I went out on a Beneteau 30 something the other day. Boring!
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 sure was, St lucie inlet, Jupiter inlet.....ran both with that little sweet 16 as they are called...now my soveriegn 20 has a edson pedestal, roller reef....just havent got the time yet to sail her since I bought it. prior owners were older couple and they owned her for 17 years and kept it in great shape.
Pin hole is factory and I believe is mentioned in manual. Yes, make some cuts in a bolt to weaken and slip it in or buy shear pin. My new ruddercraft rudder blade is an improvement but not enough time with it to say night and day difference yet.
Thanks! It's been mad hot this summer here on the Gulf Coast. Too hot to be on the water. 108 degrees today in Houston. But, great sailing and vlogging weather is dead ahead. More videos on the way. Thanks for watching.
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 wow, which is exactly why we need to be doing activities like sailing more often! Thanks for helping save the planet by appreciating it! Stay hydrated, captain!
When I'm sailing and the jib is vibrating like that, I know it isn't set right. You are either pinching too close to the wind or perhaps you need more tension on the jib sheet. Maybe it needs adjusting downward. I would be doing something, it is flogging the life out of it and you aren't getting the best speed from the boat.
Yes, I'm sure it could be trimmed better and it possibly was after the shot. I'm normally doing several things and perfect sail trim can always wait. This is a good example of why I don't race. Life can feel like a race and I'm out here on the bay to get away from all that. Another half knot will only speed me to a waypoint I'm in no hurry to get to. Lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I think you and your videos are great. You have a real talent for producing good content. And, btw, it's so good you are getting your son into sailing. I have three children that I want to teach to sail. I raised them all to be tennis players. I was an avid amature player for decades, but age and wear and tear on the body tells me my best tennis is now well behind me. Sailing is much lower impact on the body and was something I was interested in my early teens. I would build my own toy sailboats and sail them on our pond. I came of age in the early 70's. Tennis, snow skiing and sailing were all booming at that time. I became a good tennis player and a good skier. At age 67 I finally decided to take up sailing. Just turned 70. But Webb Chiles is still sailing at a high level into his 80's, so I think there is some time for me still.
@@gordonipock9385 Hey Gordon, thank you, I appreciate that more than you know. It’s a great feeling when I have the kids out on the boat. I love to kick back and just watch them command this little ship. Being in control like that, gives kids confidence that is so needed in their lives. I’m not getting any younger myself and sailing at 6 knots is about my speed. I was on the tennis team in high school, but that was a very long time ago. I’m not sure how good I would be at swinging a racket anymore. I’m getting too old to do my job and I’m feeling the calling to make sailing videos. I’ve poured my heart into all of them and my next one is the biggest one yet. I really value the time of the viewers and give as much as I can. I’m learning a lot that’s for sure and that’s what it’s all about. Thanks for watching and your kind words.
Just watched your last (most recent) video. I also have a powerboat that I used for skiing and wakeboarding with the kids while they were growing up, but I find sailing to be much more of a challenge. I have a Capri Cyclone that I learned on, a small one-man boat similar to a Laser, which is tons of fun in 10-12 knots of wind. The first boat I bought was a Thistle. I had no sailing experience at the time, and I quickly realized I was in way over my head with that boat. Eventually I did learn how to step the 25 ft mast by myself, and I've soloed it a couple times on light wind days. That's an old hull design, and I do not want to capsize that thing solo. I mostly sail my Buccaneer 18, which has a little less sail than the Thistle. The key to keeping it upright in stronger gusts is always have one hand on the main sheet and one on the tiller. Also, knowing how to partially luff either the main or the jib when the wind is getting too strong. I also bought an old International 14 that I am sorting out. That is something I want to learn to sail with my sons. All these boats will plane in a decent breeze. Speaking of sailing late in life, do a RUclips search for Webb Chiles. He has circumnavigated the globe many times, mostly solo, and the last few times in a Moore 24. He moved from San Diego to Charleston, and he still thinks nothing of hopping into his 24 and sailing out to Bermuda and back. He's in his early eighties. Very philosophical gentleman. He even has a Wikipedia entry. Inspiring man.
That’s how I got my start as a boater. My parents were big into water skiing and I was brought up doing that all the time. My first sailboat was the 19 foot Flying Scott which I believe is the same boat as a Thistle, but it has a deck. It’s amazing how much money those boats are going for nowadays. I started sailing when I was about 20 years old. So I’ve almost been doing it for 35 years. I definitely see sailing taking a bigger and bigger role in my life as I get older. It never gets old and I seem to appreciate it more with every passing year. It’s such a beautiful thing.
What is that handle-like flange of aluminum on what I think is the rudder axle (kick-up rudder)? I have one on my P-18 and I'd love to know what it's for.
It's to clamp down the rudder head to the rudder. To keep it in the up or down position. Also, I recently learned, if you see a hole drilled through the rudder head, that for a shear pin to hold the rudder down.
Hull speed is largely mythical. It's not an absolute limit, more an area where the resistance increases much more steeply. Its directly related to weight, and beam to length ratio. So a lightly loaded hull will have a higher hull speed and a narrower hull has a higher hull speed. I have an old wooden boat which is 43ft LWL on a beam of 7ft. It weighs 5 tons. I have had that boat up to 18 knots without any sign of planing. When you add you extra 500lbs of gear you will go slower.
I agree. It's theoretical. Yes, I fully expect the boat to go slower with added weight. I'm interested in seeing how it plows through the waves opposed to bobbing on top of them. My old Tahiti Ketch was super heavy and smashed waves. This CP23 would ride better with a few more pounds. Thanks for the interesting comment. 18 knots on an old wooden boat would feel awesome!
Thanks for the wonderful videos! It's great to see someone as enthusiastic about their 23'; we have been sailing Molly in the Chesapeake Bay for 30 seasons now. She is a 1984 23/II. Many years ago we made 7kts sustained for some hours, but we were riding a favorable tide from Solomons Island MD to Oxford MD. And to add to the good fortune Molly stayed on a beam reach for the whole time, with the wind changing to the south when we pointed east. The trip was finished by lunchtime. It has never happened again.
Hello, I appreciate you checking out my vids. I've owned sailboats for most of my life, but this one's my favorite. For me it's the perfect combination. Like you, I see myself keeping her for a long time. I think my time consuming little horse ranch home has sold and some serious sailing time is ahead. There's a lot I haven't seen and time is not on my side. You are in sailing heaven and the wind gods have blessed. I'll be out there reaching for 7 knots now. Thanks!
I hope you found your sailboat on my list in the video description. And I hope it's near the top. Please help support this little sailing channel from Texas by subscribing, liking and commenting. That's ya'll!
Great videos! Can't wait to see your journeys.
I will be ready when the weather is and I can’t wait.
I have a 23 and is really cool to see you sail in the bay. I have nice little quick release pin on my rudder in the hole you identified. Mine has only seen inland lakes. Might just have bring her down sometime.
Glad to hear it. I'm going to drill out my old blade and pin my rudder down with that hole. It will hold me until it's foil replacement. I've got my helmsman trained up and we are ready to video some windy days and big waves. I've had her out on Galveston Bay in near gale force winds already and never was worried. But when running hard downwind and surfing small waves, water would enter the cockpit through the drains. It kind of spooked me at first.
I may need a couple one-way scupper covers. Also in high waves with short length the outboard propeller ventilation is a problem. Galveston Bay can get nasty, but so much fun. Thanks!
I added a foil rudder to .y 23 and drilled a hole through the head stock and rudder for a nylon toilet seat bolt. No more loose rudder but the bolt wil! shear if the rudder
strikes bottom. Anti foul ed the rudder.
The nylon bolt is a great idea. Have you tried out your new rudder yet? I'm interested in knowing if it lives up to the claims. Thanks.
I have been using a varnished wooden dowel for the same purpose. The varnish keeps it from swelling. Once upon a time it worked its way out of the hole, so I put a hole for a "hairpin cotter" in each end of the dowel. I keep a supply of them onboard as we do break one every so often.@@smallsailboatbigwater3959
Heyyy!! 👋🏻🌴Some decent swells once you guys got the MS out in the open. Lookin' good Mitch, and that extended sailing sounds plenty exciting!! All is well on this end, enjoying the peaceful life, doing a little writing, truly blessed. Hopefully you're resettled and well into the new phase of things. All the best in your upcoming adventures, will be watching for ya! ⚓😎
Heyyy Cheryl!!! It's great to hear from you and that you're where you want to be. Writing huh??? I'm on approach. My lil ranch is on the market. I'm glad it hasn't sold just yet. I'm really enjoying being here knowing it won't last forever. If I buy another house it'll probably have neighbor's close by and that will take some getting use to. Zen and I are still together and doing great. I mention in a video that everyone needs to find their zen, but that's actually her name. She has been the force of calm that my life needed. She's a real blessing to me. I just got back from hiking in Austin and can feel the Texas Hill Country beckoning me to return. So much I want to do and so little time. Another video in the works. Thanks Cheryl!!!
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 find their zen, ha! how did I miss that subliminal hint, lol! Thanks for sharing the update it's awesome to hear all the good things happening!
Awesome video. It looks like you guys are having fun! Cool sunglasses👍
Good times. Thanks Nicki!
A beautifully tiller! I have something similar on my boat! My boat is a Swedish “väderöjulle”.
I had to Google your boat. Timeless design. I love it. I've never sailed an open boat. Absolutely beautiful.
Thanks for the sail. Love it.
Anytime!
Over 6 knots with bagged out sails (you mentioned in the comments)
Thats awesome.
@@christinaqueeno3874 yes, I’m happy with this boat’s speed. I wonder if these are the original sails. Someday I’ll get some new crispy ones. Thanks for watching Christina.
Good video sir 💯cool how you can video certain angles of the boat to see exactly how it's behaving in the water 👍
Hey Jason, I'm loving this little action camera. Endless possibilities.
Thanks!
Great sail, thank you!!
I wonder if the load capacity increases as the load increases because the hull flares out providing more floatation?? Make sense?
No. Sorry, but thanks for watching.
(Sorry for the confused wording, I was trying type and post quickly).
It takes 564 pounds to make the hull sink one inch. As the hull is submerged farther, it “flares” out producing an increased reserve buoyancy. So, to sink the hull an additional inch would require more than 564 pounds.
I haven't heard of this hull flare of which you speak. I'll have to check into it. Thanks.
I think you mean that if from the waterline the hull shape was straight up without the traditional curved shape of the hull there would be less buoyancy.@@randykaminski6214
Yes, thank you Paul.
It is rather odd that we also find our Compac 23 the only boat out sailing in any weather! Kinda lonely on Airtime out in the bay! Sweet little boats, huh!
Absolutely!
I could be wrong, but I think most sailors can handle themselves out there. It's the departure and docking that terrifies them. I don't blame them. Operating a boat that is hard to see the end of, in close proximity to expensive toys can take the fun out of it. I'll be sailing tomorrow alone again without a worry or care in the world. Just like you. Thanks.
Man that was a great sail day. I need to get back out myself.
Hey Squally! I'm trying my best to enjoy these cool days while they last.
It seems like the older I get, the more I value my time. I've gotten good at avoiding people who are time wasters and lack a driving force to their own dreams. I just had to get that out, thanks Squally!
I dont believe they used a shear pin, that was a prior owner mod....but Com pac is still in biz here in FL...yes they got replacement parts, could just be a worn out bolt and handle....or you may if the housing is worn a small shim inside against the rudder. hoiwever seeing you enjoy the boat check out a new rudder blade aftermarket foil rudder, hear that makes a huge improvement over just the alum straight blade rudder
That's kind of what I thought, but was second guessing myself when I saw that hole in the rudder head. That's good advice about the bolt and handle, most likely 40 year old originals. A shim sounds good also for my next upcoming sail. I really look forward to experiencing the foil rudder feel and pointing higher. Thanks for your comments.
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 I owned a 16, 19 and 23 compac. tough boats. the 16 I took offshore in florida. spent 6 days on it. Even sailed that one once bare poles. boat could take more than I could. Now I have a sovereign america 20, if you see one look at the hull from rub rail down, some say its a montgomery hull however looks the same as a compac 19 hull with shoal keel....
Sounds like a real adventure in a great location. I want to get mine out in bigger air and really put her on her ear. Small boats are so fun. I went out on a Beneteau 30 something the other day. Boring!
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 sure was, St lucie inlet, Jupiter inlet.....ran both with that little sweet 16 as they are called...now my soveriegn 20 has a edson pedestal, roller reef....just havent got the time yet to sail her since I bought it. prior owners were older couple and they owned her for 17 years and kept it in great shape.
Pin hole is factory and I believe is mentioned in manual. Yes, make some cuts in a bolt to weaken and slip it in or buy shear pin. My new ruddercraft rudder blade is an improvement but not enough time with it to say night and day difference yet.
You're devastatingly handsome sir! Hope you upload again soon!
Thanks! It's been mad hot this summer here on the Gulf Coast. Too hot to be on the water. 108 degrees today in Houston. But, great sailing and vlogging weather is dead ahead. More videos on the way.
Thanks for watching.
@@smallsailboatbigwater3959 wow, which is exactly why we need to be doing activities like sailing more often! Thanks for helping save the planet by appreciating it! Stay hydrated, captain!
You make a great point.
We should all leave only a wake of better things behind us.
When I'm sailing and the jib is vibrating like that, I know it isn't set right. You are either pinching too close to the wind or perhaps you need more tension on the jib sheet. Maybe it needs adjusting downward. I would be doing something, it is flogging the life out of it and you aren't getting the best speed from the boat.
Yes, I'm sure it could be trimmed better and it possibly was after the shot. I'm normally doing several things and perfect sail trim can always wait. This is a good example of why I don't race. Life can feel like a race and I'm out here on the bay to get away from all that. Another half knot will only speed me to a waypoint I'm in no hurry to get to. Lol.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I am with you. I'd much rather be sailing the boat than working on it.
I’m keeping this boat simple. The older I get, the less stuff I need. I just want more time. Thanks for watching.
I think you and your videos are great. You have a real talent for producing good content. And, btw, it's so good you are getting your son into sailing. I have three children that I want to teach to sail. I raised them all to be tennis players. I was an avid amature player for decades, but age and wear and tear on the body tells me my best tennis is now well behind me. Sailing is much lower impact on the body and was something I was interested in my early teens. I would build my own toy sailboats and sail them on our pond. I came of age in the early 70's. Tennis, snow skiing and sailing were all booming at that time. I became a good tennis player and a good skier. At age 67 I finally decided to take up sailing. Just turned 70. But Webb Chiles is still sailing at a high level into his 80's, so I think there is some time for me still.
@@gordonipock9385 Hey Gordon, thank you, I appreciate that more than you know.
It’s a great feeling when I have the kids out on the boat. I love to kick back and just watch them command this little ship.
Being in control like that, gives kids confidence that is so needed in their lives.
I’m not getting any younger myself and sailing at 6 knots is about my speed.
I was on the tennis team in high school, but that was a very long time ago. I’m not sure how good I would be at swinging a racket anymore. I’m getting too old to do my job and I’m feeling the calling to make sailing videos. I’ve poured my heart into all of them and my next one is the biggest one yet. I really value the time of the viewers and give as much as I can. I’m learning a lot that’s for sure and that’s what it’s all about. Thanks for watching and your kind words.
Just watched your last (most recent) video.
I also have a powerboat that I used for skiing and wakeboarding with the kids while they were growing up, but I find sailing to be much more of a challenge. I have a Capri Cyclone that I learned on, a small one-man boat similar to a Laser, which is tons of fun in 10-12 knots of wind. The first boat I bought was a Thistle. I had no sailing experience at the time, and I quickly realized I was in way over my head with that boat. Eventually I did learn how to step the 25 ft mast by myself, and I've soloed it a couple times on light wind days. That's an old hull design, and I do not want to capsize that thing solo. I mostly sail my Buccaneer 18, which has a little less sail than the Thistle. The key to keeping it upright in stronger gusts is always have one hand on the main sheet and one on the tiller. Also, knowing how to partially luff either the main or the jib when the wind is getting too strong. I also bought an old International 14 that I am sorting out. That is something I want to learn to sail with my sons. All these boats will plane in a decent breeze.
Speaking of sailing late in life, do a RUclips search for Webb Chiles. He has circumnavigated the globe many times, mostly solo, and the last few times in a Moore 24. He moved from San Diego to Charleston, and he still thinks nothing of hopping into his 24 and sailing out to Bermuda and back. He's in his early eighties. Very philosophical gentleman. He even has a Wikipedia entry. Inspiring man.
That’s how I got my start as a boater. My parents were big into water skiing and I was brought up doing that all the time.
My first sailboat was the 19 foot Flying Scott which I believe is the same boat as a Thistle, but it has a deck. It’s amazing how much money those boats are going for nowadays. I started sailing when I was about 20 years old. So I’ve almost been doing it for 35 years. I definitely see sailing taking a bigger and bigger role in my life as I get older. It never gets old and I seem to appreciate it more with every passing year. It’s such a beautiful thing.
What is that handle-like flange of aluminum on what I think is the rudder axle (kick-up rudder)? I have one on my P-18 and I'd love to know what it's for.
It's to clamp down the rudder head to the rudder. To keep it in the up or down position. Also, I recently learned, if you see a hole drilled through the rudder head, that for a shear pin to hold the rudder down.
Hull speed is largely mythical. It's not an absolute limit, more an area where the resistance increases much more steeply. Its directly related to weight, and beam to length ratio. So a lightly loaded hull will have a higher hull speed and a narrower hull has a higher hull speed. I have an old wooden boat which is 43ft LWL on a beam of 7ft. It weighs 5 tons. I have had that boat up to 18 knots without any sign of planing. When you add you extra 500lbs of gear you will go slower.
I agree. It's theoretical. Yes, I fully expect the boat to go slower with added weight. I'm interested in seeing how it plows through the waves opposed to bobbing on top of them. My old Tahiti Ketch was super heavy and smashed waves. This CP23 would ride better with a few more pounds. Thanks for the interesting comment. 18 knots on an old wooden boat would feel awesome!
Well, it looks like my boat is pretty far down on the list 😢
If I saw you out I would still give you a run for your money ⛵️ 😎
All these boats are so close in speed. You'd probably laugh at my blown out sails. But, I'd still race you bro!
That looks much better than working for the man like I do.
We'll all get our time to break free. Thanks Mike.
does it have a water ballast?
No. Solid lead and concrete.