The Philosophical Failure of Islam's God
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Today we'll cover how the Athari school of Islam falls into error in their conception of God.
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Best video I made so far 🤝🏼☦️
I agree
@@Diom_des God bless you ☦️🙏🏼
not really
@@zzzui-c9zWhy?
@@TheChrisf95I think the video went good tbh
The internet is the worst thing happened to Islam
Lol..its the total opposite, the confusing philosophies that kept people stuck in other religions started getting debunked thanks to the internet and people are accepting islam faster than ever before!
Exactly 💯
@@Hassan-fc2tsIts going up and down. Converts are concurrent to amounts of people openly apostatizing, and some leave after a few years and were not counted in some of the studies as it only counted raised muslims who left. Probably a lot more apostates in private due to threats of death and having their lives destroyed.
@@Hassan-fc2ts didle a minor like that pdf heretic of a prophet you have than. We know the man from his works. A pdf womanizer hedonist is never from God Almighty
@@Hassan-fc2ts lol yeah right, in you dreams
I left islam and converted to ✝️ last year
No regrets
bro this concept completely contradicts christianity way more. Since your god can be a human and is a tri entity. not one inseparable being. So I dont know why your so proud of yourself commenting here
@@ahmadalhurani fr 😭😭😭
@@ahmadalhuraniif a God can not be a human then you’re God is not the God of all power. Christ was fully God and fully man, showing his ultimate power. 😂
@@ahmadalhurani Your statement misunderstands the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Christianity teaches that God is one inseparable being with a single, undivided essence, existing as three distinct persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These persons are not separate entities but share the same divine nature. Jesus, the Son, is fully God and fully human, but this does not divide God's essence. The Trinity is one God, not three separate gods or beings.
@@ahmadalhuraniYour telling us why God; a powerful, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, being but you find it hard to believe he can be a man without normal means. Yet believe he can be a burning bush while having different body parts. The Trinity is complicated because our God is literally BEYOND infinity and eternity. Yes it’s difficult, but if simple Homo sapiens are able to comprehend our brains are printed exactly like the universe, then it is unreasonable to believe that humans CAN’T understand the Trinity, we CAN but there is so much discuss.
Without lies, Islam dies
it dies even with lies
Paul said, “Why do you call me a liar? I glorify God with my lie. But Islam taught us to be honest and to say the truth.”
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k taqiyya alert.
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k What?
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k you tweaking so hard. Lord bless you
The internet is having a field day on Islam.
I love it. It’s crumbling. This is a major win for people that fall for its lies and for everyone else that deals with its oppression and violence.
@TacoTuesday4 dude what? A lot of statistics say that financial losses for Christianity is the most, christians have a lot of apostates, almost all atheists are ex christians what are u talking about
@@TacoTuesday4 yall say this when every census from almost every country (that has widespread and easily accessible internet) over the past few years show islam gaining about 2+ million a year and christianity losing 8+ million a year. The only places that christianity is gaining are basically third world countries that have limited to no access to internet. Not only that but all of you are inept in your logic as the argument in this video would also go against all denominations of christianity and judasim. Add to the fact that the last part proves the argument wrong and for some reason the linked reference was a discord screenshot that doesn't even work anymore. Almost every video of this guys is a gross misinterpretation of Islam or a straight up lie. I've been "debunking" him in all the comments and its the same. You guys somehow think you're more educated when you guys can't even tell me what the pillars of faith are for islam, and thats for all you ex-muslims/"i studied islam for years" who somehow practiced it for decades and can't even tell me basic things about islam. All you guys do is take hadiths, interpret it yourselves, and make up a new meaning. But what can you expect, you guys do it to your own scriptures so why not do it to others right? Please come at me with all you got, I have no problem wasting hours debating you guys.😁
@@aubry980all this yapping and doesn’t realise Islam is entrenched within one ethnic group which is growing in the developed world because they are fleeing their own countries they destroyed. With a vast number of islams followers not knowing anything other than family tradition, never thinking for themselves. When they do they quickly throw off Islam
@@TacoTuesday4where you seeing crumbling?!? 🤣🤣
"no body is in motion unless it be put in motion" - St. Thomas Aquinas
Aquinas is one of the Goat philosophers of Catholicism, i say that as a non christian.
We Atharis reject the notion that Allah possesses separable parts or any part-whole relationship. While composition implies separable parts forming a whole, we maintain that Allah’s attributes, though real and distinct, are not separable from His essence. Abstract descriptors, by definition, differ from the concrete subjects they describe, and Allah’s attributes are abstract descriptors of His essence. This distinction among His attributes does not introduce composition, so rejecting Absolute Divine Simplicity does not imply that Allah is composed in any sense.
@@hafoothalmuflahi9784 Making distinctions in God means he is composed of these things.
Lo and behold, Newton also scientifically proved this, that's why Christianity is the TRUTH, baby!
@@JasbethRodriguez
how do you know about God?
Bro Islam is so toxic online, they either mock us or make the most stupid acoustic arguments. Really bad, I hope they find the truth we have.
Also the insufferable dawah channels where someone has to get “destroyed” every 5 mins… is that how they remain faithful or something???
So islam is toxic just because the dawah RUclipsrs win arguments against stubborn dogmatic Christian apologist. 😅
@@MystoGun650 they never win any argument bro, they just employ silly muslim tactics like avoiding and attacking without answering any questions.
@@nandinooNo. We debunked your religion on a daily basis, Christianity is doomed.
@@MystoGun650it’s the A mocking. And B terrible arguments such as “Christians think 1+1+1=1!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK HOW STUPID THEY ARE” no Christian thinks this, either interact with how we perceive God and stop making strawmans to knock down or leave
@@MystoGun650I’m going to assume you didn’t watch Sam Shamoun and Jay Dyer’s full debate with Daniel Haqiqitue and Ajiz?
Allah in the Quran makes no sense. Bro really gave a gospel to Mosses and Jesus knowin they would get corrupted. Waited 600 years to correct them and sent an angel to Muhhamd instead of going himself, then didnt give Muhammad any visible miracles while giving Mosses and Jesus visible miracles
Don't repeat lies, open the Quran, read the Quran to know the truth. Jesus and Moses legalized slavery and allowed the buying and selling of people, but Muhammad and the Quran do not contain the buying and selling of one person by another. There is no origin for the books of the Old or New Testament, all of them are lost origins. Do you know who wrote the Book of Genesis? Exodus? Deuteronomy? When? Luke? In what year? You don't know, no one knows, but every Muslim knows that the Quran was written by Muhammad and compiled into a Mushaf in the year 11 AH.
so it makes sense for God to eat and take a 💩 like jesus demonstrated?
I ain't worshiping your 💩
@Frazier16 Why would yahweh choose one race of people, speak only to them, and help them commit genocide against others? Why not guide the other nations too? Because it is a tribal war god. In Islam, God has spoken to all nations via prophets. He doesn't condemn people without giving them a chance. People corrupt teachings because they do evil. Then a new prophet comes and corrects them. Mohammad is the last of them, and the revelation is completed. It will not change. If someone claims to be a prophet, we don't believe him because it is ended. People believed Mohammad without him showing any magic tricks. He didn't need it. When his son died, a solar eclipse occured. He rejected people's attempt to correlate these two things saying "son and moon doesn't eclipse for anyone".
@Frazier16 Yahweh hammered the idea of one god to jews heads for a thousand years and suddenly decided he has a son which is also god. His spirit is god too. Forbade human sacrifice but sacrificed his son. Mohammad didn't need any miracles. Even if he had, it would be worthless to us because we can't see them happen.
@@leafw3b Christianity is a pile of lies and superstitions that clash with logic.
From a ex-muslim now follower of our Lord Christ thanks for the video !
Muslim from where? Curious what led you to christianity
How many rakah in wudhu
@@Mass-dn1vunotice how your first inclination is to call them a liar or question their understanding of Islam 😂
Maybe let’s just assume that he is telling the truth and that he came to this decision not in ignorance? when you assume people are liars and stupid I don’t think we get very far.
God bless you☦️
@@TCM1231I have never seen someone leaving Islam for christianity. No one moves from one God to three. People who leave Islam leave religion all together.
You can't be a Christian and not accept divine simplicity
No you cannot.
Which is deeply ironic, given that I would imagine that most non-Christians, including most Muslims, might be scratching their heads wondering how a 'triune God' who literally incarnated in the figure of Jesus Christ could ever be described as 'simple', after all it took numerous church councils to even come up with an 'official line' on the subject, that was then hotly contested for centuries after
Divine simplicity is not subscribed to in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith tradition though.
@@kevinjanghj they do
@@kevinjanghjThey do. It is just that we dont consider the Palamite energy vs essence distinction as rejection of divine simplicity
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@@Nursia3 lol
GLORY BE TO THE FATHER, TO THE SON, AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. HALLELUJAH. AMEN.
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>>
Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:)
"Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!!
But, Why?
Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is.
So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!!
Now , the question becomes this:
Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is?
Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is.
John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads:
[“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”]
Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God.
In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”]
(7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”]
So, now, the thought provoking questions are these:
Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe?
Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”?
Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!!
Why?
Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36):
1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads:
[“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”]
So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!!
Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!!
Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right?
So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself?
Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads:
[“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”]
So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right?
And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God.
Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]…
So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.”
Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof:
Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”]
So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God.
And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!!
So, what does being called “divine” mean?
Well, I googled,
“What does it mean if someone calls you divine”?
And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads:
[“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]…
So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible.
Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will.
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”]
(38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”]
So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!!
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]…
Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!!
So, here is something to think about:
If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right?
So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture:
1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads:
[“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”]
Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ?
So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”?
How?
Think, about that.
And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
I really love these types of videos. The editing is excellent, very educational etc.
Jesus Christ is the only true God ☦️
Why ? Because you're christain😂
And the Father?
@@uthman2281Christ and the father are one
@@uthman2281 I'm and father are One ☦️🙏
@@LionOf.Christread further Jesus prays that he and his disciples become one “just like he and the father are one”
“No! You’re wrong because this is all just pagan philosophy!”
- Muhammad (probably)
“No! You’re wrong because God is not a man, as taught by all prophets, so worship God alone” -Muhammed (Actually)
@@La_Fata_Ila_AliIf God cannot possibly be man and divine at the same time, how must he be all powerful?
@@newytrecomends4318 can God make himself cease to exist? Can God get rid of his powers to the point of never getting them back, effectively getting rid of God?
The answer to both of these is no, and it shows that being all powerful automatically makes you unable to get rid of your power. It’s a contradiction to being all powerful if you are able to limit your power.
@@La_Fata_Ila_Aliyou kinda just invalidated a few theological doctrines
@@NathanAtkinson-nl3ge how so
Bro never fails to increase my IQ by leaps and bounds 🗣️🗣️🗣️W video keep It up
because surely we should start our theology with aristolelian philosophical assumptions about what God is and not divine revelation
@@Justin-tk1wr in part, yes
I find it funny watching holes being poked in infallible ideas.
@@DM5550Z then you should start watching Jay Dyer thank me later :)
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0:04 that's saint-Bavo's cathedral! the one i go pray at! fancy seeing my cathedral on a youtube video!
I am enjoying these video analysing islam from the presepective of great minds of the past. Good job , keep it up ! We will be here to support you!
same. ik some islamic apologists will probably try to respond and "refute" him like they did with the original aquinas vid, but i could care less. this is just cool to see
Not even Catholic or Christian, but great video refuting the hypocrisy.
Catholics are Christian,just to clarify.
Catholics are Christian.
Catholic = Universal
Christian = Follower of Jesus or little Christ
But I’m glad you enjoyed 👍🏾
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I recommend Sam shamoun, zakaria botrot, David wood, Rob Christian, nabi Asli, godlogic, nabeel qureshi, Christian Prince, Dr Jay smith investigating Islam.
@edwardchege2623 I recommend Nietzsche, Bertrand Russel, and Bart Ehrman for investigating Christianity.
@@johncena12366”Bart Ehrman” 😂😂😂😂😂
@@johncena12366 Bart Ehrman the cherry picker 🗣Bro should be a farmer 😂
You forget to mention apostate prophet
@d0ga012 He is one of the most renowned biblical scholars. He was a fundamentalist evangelical turned atheist. Because non of this christianity stuff makes sense.
Really enjoy your videos
Christ is Based
The entire idea of a God having to just be in order to be God is a really good explanation for God’s real name
“God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am...”
Exodus 3:14 NLT
God is saying that not only is He eternal, but He just “is”. As in, the reason He exists, is because He does.
ALLAH IS THE MOON GOD OF PAGAN ARABIC TRIBES
They deceive you, they lie to you. If you open the Quran, you will find many verses that say that the sun and the moon are creations of God. Do not believe the lies
Then why do Christian Arabs pray to Allah?
@@johncena12366the word Allah like the word God is non specific, unless capitalised,
Like how water is water, whether we use the English word for it or another language, the water will still be water regardless
@@johncena12366A real Christian Arab will only say ilah instead of Allah, because ALLAH OF THE QURAN is a monster pretending to be god.
@@johncena12366
They don't, they pray to Yahweh!
I think your whole argument can be used to refute Christianity.
Your whole video can be summarized as follows:
There is a difference between what a being is composed of an it’s existence but the two need to combine to make it real. The two however (composition and existence) are not the whole being.
The composition of a being is made up of parts which needs to join together to form the being. This makes it dependent as the composite parts are dependent on being formed, combining and on each other. As God is not dependent and uncaused He cannot be made of parts.
So in the trinity not a composite of three parts? Can one exists without the other. Can the Holy father exists without the son?
Then you argue that the attributes of God, such as All Powerful, does not necessarily mean that God is All powerful but rather it exists only in nature and not in reality. So in essence the attributes of God are just in our minds and are not a true manifestation of His abilities. So Jesus was not merciful but rather he only exists in our intellect as merciful.
You then quote ibn Tamiyyah and then draw the total opposite conclusion from his quotes by concluding that Gods attributes are separable from His essence. What he said was the Attributes of God are part of His nature just as being kind or benevolent is part of someone’s nature. He is not made of Kindness or Benevolence . You seem to confuse composition with attributes.
The butchering and strawmanning of Imam Ibn Tamiyyah was enough for me to not take this dude seriously
The Trinity is not a composition of three parts but rather an expression of His divine simplicity. In order to really start to understand the Trinity you have to read Aquinas on the Trinity and the early Church Fathers. God is His essence and existence, and since God made us in His "image and likeness" this could only mean that He has a mind like us, that has both an intellect and will. The first act of the intellect is to know, and since God has existed for all time He would instantly know and perfectly understand Himself, His own mind. This knowledge of Himself is expressed in the Divine Word, which we know as the Son who became Man in Jesus. And since He also has a will, the first act of the will is to love and of course He would instantly love Himself and the Word which spirates the Holy Spirit. So the Trinity is better understood as the Father perfectly knowing and loving Himself for all eternity, generating the Son and spirating the Spirit respectively. The Persons in God do not make Him a composite being, but rather show His divine simplicity, His eternity, by showing that He is Love and Knowledge and Wisdom.
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Aquinas definition of the trinity is a single divine essence or nature in 3 distinct persons. The distinction between the 3 persons (father, son and holy spirit) is a relational one with the son begotten from the father and the spirit proceeding from the father and son. This whole concept is against our understanding of what it means to be a God.
I reiterate that you confuse the attributes of God with what he is composed of. If we talk of Unity of essence being His composition then it implies that the Father and the Son is composed of the same substances. The son had bones, and blood and mucus so the Father must have the same. If they both have the same then they both dependent on the substances that produce blood and bones ( iron and calcium) which makes them dependent. If you say the son came in the form of man, then this makes the son fallible as men are fallible. This is against the concept of a God as God is infallible.
If we talk about the relational aspect, Aquinas view is that the son is begotten from the Father and the spirit proceeds from the father and son. This means the Father was present and the son originated later and the spirit came into being after the former 2. This makes the son and spirit non-eternal as there was a time where there was only a father and no son or Holy Spirit.
If you say I am misunderstanding what essence mean and that it relates not to what God is composed of but what He fundamentally is then my argument is again you conflict composition with attributes. God is All-knowing, All-powerful, eternal, etc. These are His attributes but we don’t know what He is composed of.
I'm a layman but attributes do not fall into parts as attributes are the information that approve of something fitting a defination. If I say a "red apple" that apple has to be red and also an apple biologically otherwise it cannot be a "red apple". Similarly when we talk about God we approve of certain qualities such as omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence etc. because the definition of God depends upon those attributes.
These attributes are not the actual essence of Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala as teh human mind cannot comprehend Him. there is a saheeh hadith about the Prophet Alaihis Salaam asking Allah SWT "I ask you by the names u have revealed and those u have not". All the qualities that Allah has, all of them we do not know. We only know some of them which differentiate between God and Not-God.
For example, His attribute Al-Khaaliq (The Creator) means that He alone has created Al-Makhluq (The Creation). The Creator and Creation is a seperation between God and Not-God.
this was only my understanding of the Islamic viewpoint, coming from a Muslim. I do not possess the time nor intellect to debate theology. May Allah guide us.
Dude, he disagrees with the fact that god lacking power disqualifies him from being god, u notice that in all of his point, Christianity's logic seems to be more used by him and that other guy, when they're objecting Islam, idk how does that make sense tbh
@@omw-1425 Sorry didn't understand properly could you rephrase?
Both Judism and Christianity state nobody has seen God (The Father) but Islam says he has 2 right hands one shin 2 feet etc
Thats only some sunni sects iirc.
That’s not true. Jesus said told Philip in John 14:9 “If you have seen me, you have seen the father”.
Meaning that Jesus is God and he and the father share the divine essence
No
And didn't Moses see God's back in Exodus or Leviticus?
@Sanctus, as a Athari, we affirm the attributes are predictions to his essence that conform to the essences ability’s and descriptions. When we say Allah has a hand, they are intrinsic predicting his essence having the ability to hold/ grab (and however he choose to predict) things. So if we made a distinction between Allah hand and his knowledge, the distinction would be by virtue that the his essence has the distinct ability to hold/ grab and to know all; which would be distinct abilities in reality and not parts.
This channel is top quality. Keep up the good work.
you're claiming that the Islamic conception of God implies a composite being, but this is not the Islamic position as it's stated in the quran "God is absolutely one, unique, and indivisible", sure, scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah, do acknowledge that God has attributes but it strongly maintains that these attributes do not imply any division or composition within God's essence. When Muslims say that Allah is "The Merciful" or "The All-Powerful," they are not implying that mercy or power is a separate entity within God but rather that these are aspects of how God's essence is manifest in relation to His creation.
Qur'an 5:64, 68:42, 52, 48. Doesn’t sound indivisible and unique to me… at least not under of what you call monotheism, since you deny the trinity
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>>
Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:)
"Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!!
But, Why?
Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is.
So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!!
Now , the question becomes this:
Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is?
Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is.
John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads:
[“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”]
Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God.
In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”]
(7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”]
So, now, the thought provoking questions are these:
Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe?
Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”?
Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!!
Why?
Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36):
1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads:
[“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”]
So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!!
Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!!
Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right?
So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself?
Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads:
[“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”]
So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right?
And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God.
Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]…
So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.”
Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof:
Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”]
So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God.
And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!!
So, what does being called “divine” mean?
Well, I googled,
“What does it mean if someone calls you divine”?
And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads:
[“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]…
So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible.
Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will.
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”]
(38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”]
So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!!
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]…
Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!!
So, here is something to think about:
If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right?
So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture:
1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads:
[“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”]
Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ?
So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”?
How?
Think, about that.
And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
@@esmaildidato8360 Your entire argument is debunked in the very beginning, when you affirm that Jesus had to opportunity to affirm he is God, and yet he didn’t. Your incoherence here begins by assuming that Jesus could just simply say “I am God” which isn’t true since the Jewish conception of God at that time, was the idea of God the Father, they believed he was bodyless, infinite and eternal, and that no one had ever seen the face of God without perishing, which is why prophets only saw him through manifestations, such as the burning bush. If Jesus claimed to be that, it would be wrong, since he ISN’T the Father, and he did have a body in which his essence inhabited, that was generated in Mary’s womb through the power of the Holy Spirit. He claimed to be “the Son of God” because he indeed is, he is eternally begotten from the Father, so he is God, he is the Word become flesh, and the Word is eternal because it’s not distinct from the Father (John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”). Saying this would basically be denying other claims made by Jesus such as “The Father and I are One” or “before Abraham was I AM”, which can’t be misunderstood since being one with the Father implies he is God alongside the Father, and “I AM” is a title given only to God (Exodus 3:13-14 “13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”[a][b] And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”), so saying that while NOT BEING GOD, would be blasphemy.
@@d0ga012 You do understand what metaphor and allegory is, right?
They just feel good to destroy a strawman. Any unbiased person knows that Unity is what define Islam.
Just look at their biggoted comments saying stupid slogan like "Allah the moon god", "without lie islam die", etc.
I mean, I am muslim, I can explain the differant theologies, sotoriologies and christologies they have, I can put myself into their shoes, and try to conceive how they think. I can also disagree on thing sich as Trinity, since I do bot deem it necessary, but i won't dismiss their argument and say christianity is Stupid, as they do woth islam.
I had a lovely muslim bloke who came in to repair our carpet that was saying that Jesus never actually died and is still alive!
We had a good chat, but it was so interesting hearing him trying to argue against Jesus' divinity and the Trinity.
God bless.
Then jesus pleaded
"if it's possible, take the cup away" and fell to his face on the ground
well, everything is possible for God, so?
why are christians defending jesus's abusive father soo much?
God isn't abusive, jesus was saved unscathed from the cross by God
@@aiya5777Muslims believe Jesus will die in his second coming what are you talking about?
@@pixarfreak1993 what Are You talking about?
I'm not referring to the second coming part
@@galaxxy09 Jesus died the first time, am muslim. He won't come back.
@@johncena12366untrue, Allah said in the Quran: {إذ قال الله يا عيسى إني متوفيك ورافعك إلي ومطهرك من الذين كفروا
I was ur first view and like Nice video by the way!
will u response if someone makes a wannabe "debunk" to this?
Muslims always argue how the trinity isnt logical but its like they dont understand God is an all powerful being.
the problem is that you are pretending to refute ‘the God of Islam’ while surely knowing fully that beloved Aquinas took the essence-existence distinction and the corresponding contingency argument from Avicenna, and very many muslim philosophers accepted divine simplicity without any Trinitarian qualifications.
Muslim philosophers also think 9 is adult, there is nothing in Is lame that is redeemable
@@universalflamethrower6342 that's just cope for you
@@zuhayranjumul5201 no it is not, it is a sad practise in abdool circles
@@universalflamethrower6342 you're argument against thomas Aquinas using philosophy from avicenna/ibn sina is "nooo abdool bad aisha nine noo".
@@zuhayranjumul5201 I don't have to make an argument, all abdool practises revolve around carnal pleasures for men, I know this because I know many abdools personally
Not a Muslim or trying to defend Islam, but The Old Testament describes a God who walks and takes on different physical forms (burning bush, cloud, walks woth people etc). I get that the NT retcons the OT, but you are refuting the God concept of the OT.
Pretty much every argument Christians make against Islam can just as well apply to God in the OT. They just pretend the OT doesn't exist.
2 principles important principles of the ash’ari/maturidi school is Al-Wahdaniyya (oneness) in essence, attributes, and actions. The other to note is mukhalifatu lil-hawadith (opposition to that which is created). These principles of theology give the true scholars lens to interpret the Islamic texts.
The concept of a hand or shin found in the Quran or hadith are simply metaphorical or rhetorical tools to get a point across. An example such as ‘Allahs hands are over their hands’ in the 48th chapter in the Quran can be akin to saying Allahs power is over their power.
Let your followers know that the man you quote took inspiration from great theological minds such as Al Ghazali and Ibn Rushd (Averroes)
3:07 This begs the question: why can't the complete being ever be anterior to its parts? because of how we build things in the real world?
Seems naïve.
Also, what prevents the muslim from not taking the passage as literal?
Alhamdulillah. I was a Muslim before, and after watching this video, I remain a Muslim. Alhamdulillah. My faith is only for the one true God, Allah SWT.
You mean a "god" who claimed to be the best of deceivers and liars and also having pdf file for a prophet ????😂 😂😂good for you buddy
@@libturdfanai Thank you, Alhamdulillah. Keep laughing at what you don't know. Because what you are laughing at now, that's the truth.
The truth is coming from a. Pedo prophet? No it’s not.
Christ is your God and judge,of the holy trinity which God is. Convert to the truth for your own good
@@horrorwtf3803is creator an eternal attribute of Allah?
@@joshuaparsons887 yes
The idea's discussed in the first half of this video are truly brilliant and necessary for our understanding of God. The ideas credited to Aquinas though, can actually all be traced back to Avicenna, and his "Proof of The Truthful" (which today has evolved into 'the contingency argument'). Avicenna was a Muslim Philosopher/Theologian/Doctor who came up with this argument in an Islamic framework.
You did an excellent job detailing the contingency argument, it's just that you've misinterpreted the Hadith at the end. It actually corroborates what you had been saying that whole time, and is basically explaining the "It's not that god is contingent on his power, it is that we can only understand his infiniteness through our human lens" argument that you had said earlier.
Here's a good 15 minute youtube video about Avicenna's 'Proof of the Truthful' for those of us who don't feel like reading ancient Arabic manuscripts:
ruclips.net/video/SLsElgfhZtM/видео.html
Hope this helps!
Lmao.
Create a God in your mind, who is ontologically not comprehensible by human mind in his essence and attributes and the relation to each other, based on mere assumptions, speculations and name this method “reason” like Ancient pagan Greeks.
This is not the God of the Prophets in the Old Testament nor the God to whom Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) prayed to. Rather this is a fake God of the Philosophers.
This is not the speech of a Christian who claims to follow Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) who describes himself as following and fulfilling The Old Testament and who was sent to Israelites.
This is rather the speech of a Neoplatonist Greek who worships his Henologist or Apophatic fake God.
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You literally worship a human embodiment like pagans. Even worse than original pagans. Most pagans would worship statues whom they believed that they are tied to ghosts who have an interference right to the creator God or have received powers by the creator God. Only the most decadent and worse kind of pagans would worship a human embodiment as God.
And the most schizophrenic part is that you ascribe this belief to a man who was raised among the Israelites who were known to be the most harshest rejectors of any image of God. Forget about human embodiment and you ascribe this belief to him despite that he never stated such a belief explicitly in your very own sources.
Lloyd de Jongh has been working previously on training an AI to scan every islamic texts and research in order to show the plethora of contradictions these contain.
The Trinity is “divine simplicity”?
My boy Aquinas tagged in Old Uncles Plato and Aristotle for this one.
Metaphysics…interesting ✝️🧠
Truth always surfaces once interpreted correctly.
Yo bro could u make a video defending that the theology of Paul is the same as the early apostles?
God bless u bro!
facts
Testify on YT does a good job of that I believe he has several videos on this exact topic
Blessings ❤
@@TCM1231 thanks man!
Ibn Taymiyyahs qoute is another way of explaining the prism analogy without using the analogy, because analogies may satisfy a lay persons mind but a serious philosopher wouldn't rely on it too much. So I don't see how his qoute denies God being a simple being. if you accept the prism analogy it shouldn't be hard to understand his qoute. Also the idea of the universe being inseparable is false. it is only empirically inseparable because we don't have the means to remove matter from existence or have observed matter dissappear into nothing. However, we can concieve of a particle going out of existence and it not making a difference to the existence of the rest of the universe. In other words, a single particle can be concieved as not being essential to the entire universe. whereas with God his attributes are inseparable as he cannot be concieved as God without any one of them.
Doesn't the trinity complicate the idea of God being a simple being in christianity?
Could you articulate the reason why an entity cannot compose itself? You could present a similar argument against divine simplicity: that every simplified being requires a simplifier.
The claim that the objects in the universe are inseparable is highly controversial. Theories of eternal inflation would disagree, while some might agree with the notion of inseparability. Proponents of eternal inflation might argue that the universe is not composed of discrete objects. How would you respond to that?
The creator is simply regurgitating metaphysical arguments. These things have no evidence backing them. Considering he is a Catholic, he will most likely try to explain using an argument made by Aquinas or some other figure similar to him. If so, it's no doubt that these explanations will already have rebuttals written.
Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of philosophy, especially metaphysics, so I may not be truly understanding the reasoning behind your question.
@@MohammedHussain-d1e I agree with you; the argument of composition is unsound
@@zzzui-c9z God is not “simplified” is just is simple, his essence is his existence, so God couldn’t have not existed, he had too.
@@SanctusApologetics Sure, why can't God exist as a composed being which is self-composing?
Banger!❤️❤️🙏🏽
honestly, I'm proud to be a Muslim
Same ❤❤❤
Muhammad is actually a bad person 😢
Homosexuals are proud to be homosexuals
As an ex Muslim turning to Christ this channel clears up a lot and is very educational. I studied Islam in a well established Islamic institute to be an Islamic scholar, yet when I tried to say the attributes of Allah shows Allah has parts the teachers would respond with don’t ask those questions Allah knows best, even though we studied the theological difference between Islamic scholarship (that discuss this topic and show Allah is composite but Muslims fail to see how a composite god cannot be the true god)
If you are an ex-muslim tell me the name of the salah that young people do when they’re in love and ask God for help in their affairs
@@AM-pr3gc "Studied" Islam but doesn't know there are various philosophical schools of theology, not one.
Islam is wank, but I'm calling bs here. You're so obviously not who you say you are.
@@johncena12366jealous that we had more Philosophy and Theology
Than your "Philosophy" And "Theology"
There are so many wrong things about this video, like for an example claiming Islam is wrong because some Muslim scholars have different opinion about nature of God? You refuted those Islamic scholars, not Islam itself.
Also God can't be defined by ANYTHING in Creation including our feeble philosophy because that would be equating imperfect Creation to Perfect Creator. Whatever we THINK God is like is only a delusion of what God ACTUALLY is no matter how we define it
I agree that there are Islamic schools which have a much better theology than the standard Sunni Muslims. Especially if you look it Salafis, you see a very flawed ontological understanding of God, while the Mutazilla have a much better ontology.
Exactly, there is nothing similar to Him and that's all we know.
But by that logic if the Quran is so perfect why would there be different opinions of Islamic scholars on very fundamental issues. Also just saying that a “god can’t be defined by anything” isn’t anything new. Even Hindus explained exactly what you call Allah millennia before Islam or Christianity. They also make more sense with the concept of Brahman than Allah as a god.
@@pzbur”Nothing similar to him” also can be applied to his creation. What exactly makes this god distinct?
@@lincabe321
If God didn't bother to describe the nature of His own self in His book, why would I inquire about His nature? God and His prophet are the only authority in Islam. Prophet and his companions never talked about God's nature and nor did God inform us about His own self that means God is transcendent, cannot be grasped by human beings. Later, those scholars who were influenced by the Greek philosophy asked these questions about the nature of God which lead to disagreements between them.
Same applies to Biblical scholars, God nowhere describes His own nature in Bible. It's only muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars who were themselves involved in these discourses. God never described Himself. In fact, He condemns doing so in one place in the Quran.
God says, "It is He who has revealed to you this Book which has verses that are muḥkam (Established/Clear), they are the foundation of the Book and some others that are mutashābihāt (Analogical). Then those whose hearts are perverted always go after the mutashābihāt from among it in order to create dissension and in order to know their reality even though no one except God knows their reality. On the other hand, those who are well grounded in this knowledge say, “We believe in them, all this is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." Quran 3:7
Mutashābihāt include topics like the nature of God, the nature of the soul, angels and eschatological concepts such as the descriptions of heaven and hell, we cannot see but we believe because God informs us about them. After believing in God through the arguments He provides in His book for His existence, it's reasonable to accept all the unseen things He tells us about. These things are unseen, but they are not unreasonable when God speaks of them.
God, for our understanding in His book just gives us a simple analogy about many metaphysical things, for example soul, He at one place in the Quran compares it with a breath which He breathes into flesh to make it human and after giving this analogy He says you have been given but little knowledge.
"They ask you ''O Prophet'' about the spirit. Say, it's nature is known only to my Lord, and you ''O humanity'' have been given but little knowledge." Quran 17:85
In behavioral sciences (Psychoanalysis), we study the behavior or the characteristics of human psyche but can't really describe the nature of soul (what it's made of) because it's metaphysical.
The nature of God's own self is also a metaphysical concept and when it comes to describing His own nature, God says ليس كمثله شيء There is nothing like Him in the universe which you know of and can compare to Him in order to understand His nature.
This cannot be applied to His creation in the way it's applied to God. Creation can easily be compared in order to understand the nature of creation like different living organisms.
We just have no idea about the nature of God!
Good video on an important topic !
Daym bro, everything you discussed here was discussed by ibn sinna prior to the guy you mentioned in your video way before that, and he didn't just describe it, he was the first guy to even put this concept before the public eye.😂 keep grinning dude and yeah I'm totally upto any debate and I will destroy your faith if you challenge me and your faith too
Watch some Sam Shamoun
@@Vincenzo-wn1or that guy is delusional as fuck, he cant even debate before an Islamic scholar,
This is a fantastic channel! Well done.
Islam's God coexists with the creation whereas he God of the Bible brought the creation into existence from or out of nothing.
Who told you that? God is the creator of everything. Open the Quran and read it yourself. Don't let them deceive you.
God is creator of all amen ✝️no Mohammaden lies!
@@bikesrcool_1958 Christ is a pile of lies Jesus is actually a devil who came to deceive you and lead you away from the path of God Jesus is a devil
@@bikesrcool_1958Mohammad hated idolatry and called people to worship the God of Abraham. Why do you hate him so much?
@@johncena12366 Maybe it has to do with the fact that he married a 6 year old girl, owned sex slaves and massacred innocent people for not following him? Even if Muhammad was somehow correct in his theology, he was still an objectively terrible person and shouldn't be looked up to by anyone - let alone millions of Muslims.
This is something that the knight archetype just scratches his head about. Just tell me what is a righteous battle and what is not.
Christian God throughout the whole bible -old and new testaments- has many distinct attributes and acts that cannot indicate a simple God.
God pass over egypt (exo, 12, 13) the lord is a man of war and has nostrils and has a great arm (exo, 15, 3-7) and God decent onto sinai (exo, 19, 16) God has hand, and has back parts as it was explicitly said at (exo, 13, 22/23). Etc
So, This simple god that Aquinas is talking about, is not the Christian God, but Aristotle’s unmoved mover.
Dear Christians, please don’t let a greek heathen philosopher dictate to you how you perceive your own God.
Muh pagan philosopher🤦
Ex Muslim seeker here! Great video!
Muslim apologists getting ready to make 100s of fallacies and lies responding to this vid
that's what they do
You’re just coping this is so easy to refute 😂
@@legendaryadam yall always say that, plus you liked your own comment
@@jhfghgh4606 Do you not see the vast amount of syllogisms in the comment section? Do you wanna see it get refuted in a discord aswell?
@@legendaryadamI see vast amounts of coping… been scrolling for about 20 minutes now 😊
Great video! Would like to point out that there is a very popular Islamic school called the Ashari school who have a similar conception of God to the Christian conception and reject the conception given by Ibn Taymiyyah (who is basically the poster boy of modern day salafism).
But Muslim theologians (muta’kallimun) and mystics do think that God is absolutely simple. One only has to read Ghazali or Ibn Arabi to realise that. There are some Muslims, such as the Salafiyah , who do think that God has parts but they couldn’t tell you exactly what that means
The author of this video honed in on the athari school of theology in islam ignoring the majority school which is ashari and affirms divine simplicity
@@ayaanhashmi5325Ashari school doesnt affirm divine simplicity bruh. It accepts attributes, just represents the literal attributes like Allah's "Hands" as just a metaphor for another attribute.
And his "honing" on the athari creed was embarrasing, he misrepresented it horribly
@@Asphyx1ator The Qiyas they use to justify the metaphor thing is negative theology, god doesn't have a hand, a mouth, ears ect. It's divine simplicity. Asharis do affirm divine simplicity.
@@Asphyx1ator Yeah I agree the athari creed doesn't ask how it just affirms what god affirms for himself and don't draw analogies to creation
Great breakdown!
Allah Is Only God ☝️
ISA A.S Is Prophet Of Allah
Where is the proof outside of the Quran that the message Jesus was preaching was corrupted? The earliest non-biblical texts show a Church teaching much of what both Catholics and Orthodox hold today.
@@ElessarofGondor You don't need the Quran to know that the Bible is corrupted (as a result of missing texts, later additions, unknown authors etc). Also, looking at the modern day Gospel, it's obvious that not everything Jesus said was written down.
Who is Isa?
@@theologyroomthat's exactly why Catholics and Orthodox don't rely on scripture alone.
Graciously waiting for the syfetalk guy to start ranting about this
I'm sorry, I got confused...
Were you trying to disprove Christianity or what?
Yeah, I can see that you're confused
You actually took it there...
I was a muslim before watching this video... and I am still one after watching it ☠️
debate Christian prince bro just call him on his RUclips channel and debate bro don't run away bro debate
@@efrencruz8327 Christian Prince 💀☠️
@@Blade2323B debate bro just call him don't run away bro debate
@efrencruz8327 Since when debating changed anyones religious views? It is a decision you should make by yourself.
@@johncena12366 lol debate christian prince bro don't throw away your book cowards
I’m absolutely curious how the other side would present their case. Growing up as a Muslim, I was never exposed to rigorous thinking on God. Only now within the Catholic Church that I find clarity on who He is. Christ’s peace be with us all.
there are diffrent sects in islam like ismailiya that doesnt believe in those hadiths nor regarde ibn taymiya as a serious scholar .
Yes, but even without the Hadiths there are several other areas in Islam that make no sense, or have any continuity with Judaism or Christianity.
@Joshua39-w7j Like what? Hadith are not canon. There are a lot of made up stuff. If you can't base your doctrine from the Quran, it is baseless.
@@Joshua39-w7j Still makes more sense than the mess of judeo christianity.
@@johncena12366 If Christianity doesn’t make any sense to you then why are the Hadiths (Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi) specifically plagiarizing from Matthew 25:31-46 which was written hundreds of years before then?
You say it makes more sense, but it’s been proven that the Quran has taken stories from the Torah, Gospel, and old Pagan traditions combining them all. If you’re going to say it makes more sense then at least give us one example of why it does. No sensible person is just going to take your word for it.
Great video my brothers!
But I’d like to provide some objective feedback.
Your title is misleading. You, as you wrote in your video description, are refuting an Islamic school of thought. This would not describe the entirety of Islam.
I pulled the description below from wiki.
“Atharism (Arabic: الأثرية, romanized: al-ʾAthariyya) is a school of theology in Sunni Islam which developed from circles of the Ahl al-Hadith, a group that rejected rationalistic theology in favor of strict textualism in interpretation the Quran and the hadith.”
So this is one of many schools, with its own approach to scripture, under one denomination of Islam. Not the whole.
There are many Islamic Mystics (Sufi) who would agree with your critique of literalism as they themselves fall under different schools of Islamic thought.
We must be very articulate and clear when analyzing beliefs and logical processes that differ from our own.
I pray you decide to adjust your approach when making other videos. Keep up the great work friend!
I send nothing but love :)
Finally, a video refuting real Islamic theology. Not some Evangelical vs. some practically Protestant Muslim, but a real Catholic refuting real Islam. And ofc the biggest brained person ever, St. Thomas Aquinas.
Yeah me and Sanctus wanted to actually bring real scholars into this conversation
Muhammad: Let's belive in Jewish god.
What the video proposes is true for the created for the Created world and beings but not for God. Great Islamic philosophers such as Avicenna have talked about "essence" comprehensively. essence and Existence model doesn't apply to God. That's what makes God, God. God is not made up of components. Even in Pagan religions, God has attributes which are personified, but not the other way around. God is a whole. The problem with Christian definition of God is extremely flawed and is exactly like ancient pagan set of beliefs. God has been personified, and twice. The Trinity is pure polytheism, and so is God taking a son or God incarnate. these are absolutely the most fundamental concepts of Monotheism which Christians simply don't get. The Christian concept of a human God, is right out of Greek mythology. Zeus was the son of god, Cronus, who was raised on Earth and became the son of God. You must remember the earliest Bible were not written in Aramaic or even Hebrew. They were written in Greek. I suggest you study Islamic Ontology and epistemology to see you have gone wrong!!
you think god was a jew who died on a pike lmao
?????
@@johno1954wasn't jesus a jew in your corrupted religion?
@@frensilkie8769Yes so what? The Messiah would have to be Jewish
@@everyonesfavoritesejong The messiah being jewish isn't the problem. The problem is that Christians believe the messiah was God in the flesh. It's completely unbiblical.
@@theologyroom Even though Jesus says He is God in the Bible, and He fulfills multiple messianic prophecies from the Old Testament, yes completely unbiblical, you have read the Bible right?
im an advocate for the orthodox church but i do really love your videos
May Allah guide you all to his path.
Jesus Christ said I am the way the truth and the Life..., what path are you talking about? Except the path to hell and I am not paying for you to go there but is your choice.
@@jatoonz6771 Do you really think mentioning what Jesus so called said will help anyone? You are wasting you time writing this..
Your prayers are in vain, for your Islamic god has no power to guide or lead anyone to truth. The Christian God is the only True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Repent and turn to Him.
@@Iliannnn your Allah who knows all, failed miserably in trying to speak in details for the first time.
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Keep in mind, when Allah will ask Jesus son of Mary: Didst thou say to the people: Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah ? ( S 5:117).
For your information Mary the mother of Jesus Christ she is not consider God.
the only thing keeping your religion alive is a parasitic desire to reproduce rapidly and a brutal level of violence and repression. The truth of God spread through his message alone, Islam spread via the sword of a warlord that married kids.
The more I learn about Islam, the more self evident it is that it was written by man to resemble Gods words. The amount of contradictions and philisophical fallacies is astounding. Also, the Quran insists it is the pinnacle of literary execellence that is unsurpassable which is the funniest joke of Islam.
Its funny that this video critiques the Athari school based on philosophy when Atharis reject philosophy
Thank God i woke up and realized that Christianity is polytheistic false religion against god's commandments which is there's one God and there's nothing besides him. But Church made Jesus God amd sprit as God . Which makes 3 GODs. Thank God I am a new Muslim revert.
So rather than refuting the argument you go to points irrelevant to the topic? Btw your whole statement is a complete strawman
Yeah sure...totally believe you "new Muslim" 😂 and even if you are you've got about 2 years before you end up leaving it!!! 😂
@@r.nunezz you're commenting as if in Christianity there isn't 3 different gods which is polytheism prevented by God in Torah. Christianity is false . Islam is the truth where Jesus is the messiah the messenger of God.
@@Nyctophile-zr3ciNot three different Gods, but three in one.
@@Nyctophile-zr3ci That’s a complete strawman of what we believe. We believe in 1 God YHWH who is tri-personal. There’s a distinction between essence and person. Just because humans are 1 essence and 1 person does not mean you can hold God to that standard. Furthermore there are numerous Jewish scholars such as alan segal that show YHWH being multipersonal is completely comparable with the Old Testament, and was actually a commonly held belief prior to the time of Jesus.
P1): According to Islam, Allah is the one true God.
P2): According to Islam, until he created the world and people, Allah had existed forever alone.
P3): Because Allah had existed forever alone there was no one for him to love.
P4): Therefore Allah did not know how to love until he created the world and people to love.
P5): Therefore Allah needed to create the world and people in order to learn how to love.
P6): According to Islam, Allah is great and is to be worshipped.
P7): But a being who needs to create in order to learn something is not _maximally_ great.
P8): A being that is not maximally great is not worthy of worship.
P9): Allah is not maximally great.
P10): Therefore Allah is not worthy of worship.
C): Therefore Allah is a false god.
Premise 2/3
“Before he created, Allah existed forever alone”
1. This is a misunderstanding of causality/time in relation to Allah, we hold God is absolutely non contingent of time or causal chains and transcends both concepts entirely.
2. You’re heavily pre supposing that Islam holds that God ONLY created the universe and humans, Allah is the eternal creator; eternally creating, hence this premise is false.
Premise 4
This premise is just heavily false, if it is the case even, that Allah did not love until he created humans, his foreknowledge would necessarily follow form his non contingent nature, and he would know how to love since he is not subject to the progression of sequences or time.
That’s if it WAS the case; which it isn’t.
These 4 premises are the foundation of the following premises of this god awfully stupid syllogism, so deal with them or retract
I'm Catholic but this argument is terrible. Premise 3/4 is false. God can love himself. God is fully sufficient in and of himself. Also, God's knowledge is omniscient, it does not follow that since he did not have other divine persons, that he therefore does not know how to love, a Muslim could turn this back at you say, because God didn't know any human persons therefore he did not know how to love human persons prior to their existence and hence not omniscient. You are applying human concepts to God, but God is transcendent.
Premise 5 is also false, God doesn't need to create the world in order to love. God is in need of nothing.
Premise 6 is not entirely accurate. You don't need divine revelation to know whether God is to be worshipped. Rather we owe worship to God because he is simply is. God is worthy of worship by his very nature. Human beings owe this to God in numerous ways, one is in virtue of God holding them into existence and creating them. Another on account of the fact that all good things they receive cometh from God and therefore they ought to exalt the creator etc.
Bro speaking about philosophical failure of islam but believing in trinity
is hillarious 😂
Tu quoque fallacy
@@Lucerna999fallacy fallacy
@@ryansclubCEO Prove it?
@@Lucerna999do you know what a fallacy fallacy is?
That description of a simple thing being separated in the mind into a rainbow of parts sounds like a really good description of the trope I've seen from time to time where a character goes into another character's mind and sees versions of the host character fighting with each other over what they really want or desire then after a while they ask which one is the real one only to get the response "we all are"
YESHUA AKBAR ALL PRAISES TO LORD JESUS THE ONE TRUE GOD ✝️❤️💪🏾
@@macewindu5804 Trinity is idolatry
@@johncena12366 and stone licking isn't?
I’m not understanding how what was mentioned earlier in the video about God having the attribute of omnipotence as a mentally constructed “part” of his singular/simple nature rather than it being a true part of him in the sense that there is a reality from which he is composed contradicts any of what Ibn Taymiyya said on the subject of divine attributes presented later in the video.
I find the doctrine of Existential Inertia quite compelling: composite objects will continue existing in the absence of anything which can destroy their structure. Hence, to explain the continued existence of composite objects, we don't need to appeal to some continuous, sustaining/composing cause. Even if God is a composite being, he wouldn't need a sustaining cause. God was never composed and there exists no entity which can destroy its parts.
God is just God in Islam his attributes or names are things he adopted for himself. Quran 6:54.
A man who can't distinguish between abstract reality and concrete reality is not qualified to instruct anyone re: truth
Was Muslim sense birth. But recently converted to Orthodox Christianity.. I always laughed an scoffed at Christianity because I only knew the western/protestant/catholic version. That is just lazy Christianity. It wasn't until I was introduced to the gravely serious Orthodox Christianity that I slowly started to listen. Allah is a false God and I truly urge my Muslim brothers to seek Christ with their hearts.
Lmao it’s islamic philosophers that invented divine simplicity but yeah roll out Aquinas’s dead corpse ignoring how he’s derivative of Avvaros. Atharism is a minority school of islamic theology majority of muslims follow Asharism or Mathriudism.
U should’ve also mentioned Allah’s lack of love for unbelievers, how can an all good God be without being all loving? How can my mother love me more than God? That’s a morally deficient concept of God.
Holy crap two minutes in and he just described the exact construction of a sentient being in Buddhism. In fact, they have a principle called dependent origination, and anything that is dependently originated is not the whole. Understanding that one is dependently originated allows one to see that they do not exist without relationship to everything. Therefore, they are everything because there is no self independent of others. Because of this, any singular self independent of others is empty, and emptiness is the nature of the singular, of the whole. I am a Christian and I also identify with Buddhism. I am very much convinced they are the same in that there is an algebraic transformation between them. That is to say that the difference between them is a matter of perception, not a matter of essence.
Man this is some deep classic explanation I don't get it😂😂😂 but stop it I love it❤❤❤
smartest christian:
Why didn't syfe refute your 2nd video?
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what i got from this video is that most philosophy is linguistic pedantry using circular reasoning to defend a pre-established view
Finally an intellectual video pointing out inconsistencies in Islam. I am so tired of the boring attacks, mocking and insults on Islam.
"Trust me on that one, brother. Listen, I'll let ya have 4 wives if you shut up and do what you're told! We good?"
~Muhammad (very likely)
"Brozzer, you can rape married women from conquest if you join my army, capiche?"
- Muhammad (also very likely)
@@BarsusDraco More like I will limit the polygamy to 4 wives and impose extra condition such as treating them fairly. Also now you have to pay dowries directly to the bride instead of her father and you can't take back when you divorce.
This conception of god is unnecessary. Existing is an attribute or property. It requires a relationship to all else that exists in at least operating by the same physics. That is, for something to exist, it necessarily holds the attributes essential to existence. Your conception of god is basically defined by the absence of attributes, basically saying he doesn’t exist. It’s like there’s some special linguistic exception for god that need not meet ordinary standards of scrutiny or rationale.