Mind you, we're talking about people, who made Starkiller base and thought that its most scary attribute was a "hyperspace laser"... meanwhile they gave it an ability to 1)directly collect energy from the stars at its own forced rate, 2)shown that First Order excavated and build over a whole planet in few decades, 3)made a mistake of putting hyperspace part into the weapon implying that the whole thing had an ability to open and maintain hyperspace anomalies. So its utility was actually scarier then its use. 1 and 2 combined logically lead to First Order basically having their own Star Forge with the unlimited amount of energy and resources at their disposal and enough equipment to replace a significant part of a planet with machinery in short order. While 1 and 3 together imply that with a bit of adjusting, Star Killer can travel in hyperspace by ITSELF. At this rate Star Killer becomes not a name that carries around a point about its use, but rather a horrific rumour about unknown weapon that destroys planets and blackens the stars. You know, as in when someone investigates it with spies or gravity sensors, there is a planet, but when Republic fleet enters the system, there is a star that has cold surfaces and wouldn't shine again for a few weeks, but also no planet or even traces of one. Mobile Star Forge is much more potent and Star Killer ALREADY had all the needed equipement. And it would have perfectly explained all the First Orders ships appearing out of nowhere in millions.
#AskEck in cannon story of star wars which imperial 2 star destroyer received the worst demise? For example Thrawns chimera during the battle of Lothal. Admiral (I think)Peits super star destroyer during the fall of the second death star.
The venator hangar is technically not top open, if you watch the clone wars series you'll see that the atmospheric shields are vertical and that the area directly beneath the top hatch is just a void.
@@macnof that’s kind of true but there is some kind of atmospheric shielding because in that episode where grievous boards Kenobi’s venator (notably where the clone gets his neck crushed) an arc 170 crashes in the middle portion and obi wan goes out to save him. I’d that were a void then kenobi would’ve died
@@fissilepear7805 unless he is actually Mary Poppins it the whole way? A bit more seriously, he would have between 10 and 15 seconds from entering vacuum until he lost consciousness as a regular human, as a Jedi, maybe more? Other than that, it seems kind of weird to have both the vertical blue shield and another shield. Maybe the outer part of the hangar is partially pressurised the make for a more smooth exit of the hangar?
Disney: "So we have a new bad faction. Its made up of Sith Loyalists who are fanatical about the Dark Side" Fans: "Cool so we'll get some crazy new designs for ships right?" Disney: "How do you feel about Imperial Star Destroyers with a big boomstick on the bottom?"
@@xpredator8813 The Force Awakens was almost a good movie to re-introduce to the mass public. The Last Jedi is like starting a fire inside a paper factory until it all grows fiery red. The Rise of Skywalker is almost the Chernobyl reactor exploding when placed near the burning paper factory!
If you're going to borrow from Dark Empire at least borrow the coolest ship design from there, I mean a fleet of mini Eclipse star Destroyers? Shut up and take my money!
Those images of Kylo Ren's version of a Star Destroyer got me thinking about him as a character. It is already established lore that Jedi often work on something to keep themselves grounded in reality. Be it piloting ships, working with droids, or speaking with other people. I think it would have been an interesting change of pace if Kylo kept himself grounded by designing ships. What if he designed the absolute fleet killers of the First Order? It would help flesh out his nostalgia for the Empire and it would be a change of pace to "evil guy in a mask." I can imagine him being skilled in the Force but also intelligent when it comes to designing a fleet. It makes sense, his father was one of the best and creative pilots, his mother was the general of the Rebellion, and his mentor knew how to take down large targets. Kylo Ren could have been the perfect choice for designing a ship to counter the New Republic. But that's too complicated for JJ I guess.
and from a lore standpoint, I believe that (since the planet wasn't blown up) Kylo would have spent more time on Corellia as a Kid before joining Lukes' Jedi Praxeum, meaning that Ben (had he became a Jedi) would have gotten some experience with the Corellian Engineering Corporation and have easily been susceptible to the playful rumor that Kylo "had Jet-Fuel for blood" (A common joke made about Corellians due to their apparent love for being both the best pilots and the best shipwrights in the Galaxy). Having grown up most of his early life on Corellia, Kylo would have quickly jumped at the opportunity to design and fly his own capital ships when he became part of the First Order, often showing up Hux whenever he tried to assume command of one of the ships that Kylo had personally designed and that only he knew the ships layout and design faculties. Or if Kylo hears that Hux ended up using one of his designed ships in a way that caused unnecessary damage or preventable loss-of-life had Hux used the systems that Kylo had installed within the ship in the first place, only for Hux to keep getting fed up at Kylo trying to assume command over his fleet like this. It would have provided a more believable and realistic rivalry between the two of them that would feel more organic and grounded instead of being contrived and out-of-place like it was in the trilogy.
I like this idea alot. Kylo designing dark brutalist ship designs like the edgelord he is but doing so competently. Maybe he had designs that were alot less edgy in his early years but the darker he got the darker his designs got.
@@silentdrew7636 I wouldn't go that far... The main reason the last movie was so rushed is because Rian did such a shit job on his movie and dug a stupid hole and developed nothing of use...
@@tinncan He tried to do something different because TFA was such a nostalgic crap fest they should've just called it "A New, New hope". JJ didn't have to go a different route, we've seen preliminary storyboards based on TLJ going forward including Kylo going to a desolate Coruscant to find a hidden Sith temple under the Jedi temple, which would've been sick. JJ Bringing back Palps was lazy story writing at it's very best. TFA was the hole, Rian just tried to change it from being a copy and paste remake of previous movies.
@@firuzmajid4780 That's what happens when you let JJ and Kennedy chart out a trilogy... oh wait.. They didn't even have a coherent storyboard for the trilogy. :(
The First Order VS. The New Republic. Hear me out: If Starkiller was never a thing, and the military of the New Republic and the First Order went at it, imagine the story. The Redemption of the Republic Senate, the return of Politics in Star Wars, which although boring, are amazing points to the overall story, as proven in the Clone Wars. There could be so many different story arcs for individuals too. I'm listing what I can so strap in. Finn: An ex-stormtrooper turned into a Republic Commander. Most of the Republic would hate him, and even oppose him due to his origin. But Finn would prove himself battle after battle and become a war hero. Rey: One of the last jedi in the galaxy, who has to rely solely on herself to train as Luke refused. The entire galaxy looks up to her, and she feels she can't let them down (a little Pull to the Dark Side perhaps?) Poe Dameron: Poe would shoot up the ranks of the military, developing tactics and ideas to counter the intense onslaught of the First Order. Kylo Ren: As he gathers in strength, his faith in the Supreme Leader Snoke diminishes. He secretly attempts to convince Rey to join him, (a little knock back, but not rip off, of Luke and Vader). Eventually, Kylo betrays Snoke, becomes the Supreme Leader, and is known throughout the galaxy as a murderer, making his redemption all the better. Hell, its Disney, throw in a little Rey x Kylo too. Love triangle between Rey, Finn and Kylo, add suspension. Maybe even have Kylo kill/wound Finn and the relationship between Rey and Kylo become a lot more complex. Luke: Luke would at first deny the war, but after some convincing from Leia, Lando, Han, Chewie, Yoda, and even have Anakin counsel him as a Force Ghost, Luke decides to join the fight. He becomes the Jedi Grand Master we all know and love from Legends, and starts a new order to counter Kylo's chosen. Leia: Leia, now too old to fight, must turn to the political side of the war. She begins to work in the Senate, calling out traitors of the Republic and inspiring the galaxy to be better. Corruption in the Senate dies, and a new hope is born that the New Republic will not fall like the Galactic Republic did. Han: Han is torn apart by the war. On one end, his friend and wife are fighting for the Republic. On the other, his only Son leads the First Order. He tries to drink his problems away at first, but eventually is visited by Rey, Leia & Luke. After an emotional moment, we see Han return to the fight, acting as a General in the Republic once more. All the while, he tries to find ways to redeem his son, and bring him back to the light. This isn't even counting the individual spinnoffs for the New Jedi Order, the Resistance (now working with but not formally considered Republic), and the return of Palpatine with his own fleet. Perhaps the First Order and Republic working together to prevent Palpatine from destroying the known galaxy? The only flaw I'm thinking is that it's a lot like the Prequels, and not entirely its own storyline. But hey, better to be Relatable then to be an down-right rip off.
Just saying this movie would have made so much sense of three things happened. Chewie actually died when ray destroyed the transport/or revealing that he was alive at a better moment Exegol was built on the remnants of the star forge. Rey died and Ben adopted the name Skywalker in memory of his mother.
@@nahuelleandroarroyo especially because he would have still carried guilt and would have had a troubled past instead of Mrs. Perfect surviving, having a completely clean conscience and no complex history. Kylo would have needed to redeem himself, by spending his whole life on fixing what he broke.
@@isogonbackup5361 Bringing back Palpatine was the biggest mistake. Rey should have been revealed to be the rightful heir to the Empire and thrown the first order into chaos. The movie should have been infighting between Rey and Kylo for control of the Empire and Galaxy. It would have complemented the good aspects of TLJ while fixing the problems it created too.
Mind you, we're talking about people, who made Starkiller base and thought that its most scary attribute was a "hyperspace laser"... meanwhile they gave it an ability to 1)directly collect energy from the stars at its own forced rate, 2)shown that First Order excavated and build over a whole planet in few decades, 3)made a mistake of putting hyperspace part into the weapon implying that the whole thing had an ability to open and maintain hyperspace anomalies. So its utility was actually scarier then its use. 1 and 2 combined logically lead to First Order basically having their own Star Forge with the unlimited amount of energy and resources at their disposal and enough equipment to replace a significant part of a planet with machinery in short order. While 1 and 3 together imply that with a bit of adjusting, Star Killer can travel in hyperspace by ITSELF. At this rate Star Killer becomes not a name that carries around a point about its use, but rather a horrific rumour about unknown weapon that destroys planets and blackens the stars. You know, as in when someone investigates it with spies or gravity sensors, there is a planet, but when Republic fleet enters the system, there is a star that has cold surfaces and wouldn't shine again for a few weeks, but also no planet or even traces of one. Mobile Star Forge is much more potent and Star Killer ALREADY had all the needed equipement. And it would have perfectly explained all the First Orders ships appearing out of nowhere in millions.
No, Starkiller Base was powered by a type of dark matter called quintessence, not an entire star. I'm not sure why TFA showed Starkiller sucking in a star but this isn't what actually happens supposedly.
@@rockmycd1319 i remember the novel and visual art book didn't say where it got its power from till much later. Still, i don't think JJ and crew didn't put as much thought into it as you did. They went for the "looks cool" route and figured out the rest later.
Yeah... At least we've got the EU and fan projects. I've ordered parts from SaberForge for my own lightsaber. The love goes on but I just have to ignore Disney; kindof like a painful breakup.
Actually that would make total sense for the Xyston class since they have the underslung superlaser have a venator style hanger along the hull to rapidly launch ties with side hangers for landing during combat.
Rise of Skywalker had many flaws. The biggest one was that they attempted to rewrite The Last Jedi rather than writing an actually good movie. As evident by this art, they left a lot on the cutting room floor because they spent half of the film trying to retcon. I do think that the First Order factory would have been much more interesting in place of the planet with Zorrii Bliss
The only good things to come out of the Rise of Skywalker was finally seeing a yellow lightsaber in live action (which was just a bit of a tease since it was in the very last minute) and Babu Frik. That’s it
@@CrazyWeridoRH Babu Frik, the droid repair shop owner who doesn't have a space-USB drive equivalent to backup C-3PO, for some reason. I would think that backup storage units would be quite common, but then we wouldn't have the cheap and ultimately pointless C-3PO 'death' bit.
@@eridor I mean tbf, everyone would be angry if chewie died like that. It was more of a way to help them work together. And when were there stake in the OT
@@tripled2505 But even after Chewie's "death" imagine how much better it would've been had Rey sensed Chewie on board the star destroyer versus General "whiny bitch" Hux bringing him on screen like 2 minutes later.
He definitely has a lot to say about it. But I guess it makes sense since that ship's and space navy strategy is his favourite thing to talk about and TROS's Battle of Exegol is the worst space battle in the franchise even visually because of how cluttered it is with the same ships over and over.
That's because it's not actually "bad". The Battle of Exegol concept had huge potential, that got squandered by the filmmakers poor decisions. It's just begging for a Special Edition version to come along and make it awesome by fixing a few (dozen) things.
Simply put, art books are just that, books of art. Minimal to no oversight, and creative minds given a direction and let loose. No spotty narratives or rewritten or botched plot lines. It’s a collection of true creativity unhindered.
I think it was more like "A lot of these ideas are really cool, but how much do they cost to model? ... WHAT? Na, let's just reuse the old Stardestroyer model than and slap a huge canon on it."
6:42 If they gave him credit then they would HAVE to pay him. As it is id sue them for using my art pure and simple. They would make no hesitation for any of us doing the same w/ their assets.
He’d drown in debt faster than investors in the stock market of 1929. Suing is EXPENSIVE and you can’t out spend Disney, they’d probably just drag it out as long as possible to make him give up, and that’s if the case has a fighting chance in court. If he does win it would certainly be appealed and so even more fees and time. Unless he’s running a super successful funding campaign or gets financial support it’s dead from the start.
@@tinylegofiend8605 Here's an idea? We could take the idea of unionizing and apply it to fan-made creations? For example a group of Fan-artists/fans from multiple franchises group up and will call out outright stolen fan art/creations and work towards getting some sort of law that requires some form of credit or compensation for the use of fan-created material in official artwork by studios.
The Centrist Gamer thats a great idea but that law already exists, its called intellectual property and copyright laws lmao. Redistributing artwork of any kind without permission is a breach of copyright, even if the artwork is derivative of something you own. The union idea is great though, since the only reason disney gets away with it is artists not wanting to attempt legal action and Disney having legions of law-troopers at their disposal
I can't believe the saga never even refer to The New Republic even in the concept books, it was like they never existed after TFA (Yes I know, Hosnien Prime was destroyed but it still isn't an excuse to not even show remaining scattered show fleets, space stations, next gen fighters all that kind of stuff)
Aggreed. My biggest beefs with the ST are that they killed off the New Republic after barely mentioning it in TFA and that they killed off the Jedi Order (again!). If you ask me, the Republic should have been the main good guy faction, not the cheap Rebel Alliance knockoff, the Resistance. And there should have been more Jedi. Like at least 50 by that point.
@WillFanofMany Which is dumb. That would be like the US having all military bases in Washington DC instead of across the country like in real life. Makes me wonder what he had against the New Republic.
@@akl2k7 what he had against it? He wanted to remake A New Hope, and for that the New Republic had to play back seat to the resistance and ultimately be removed from the picture. They were simply inconvenient, and these people have to much hubris to work around existing material, the established material has to adapt to their artistic vision.
Wish alot of the stuff that we see now in art books were in the movie. It would have made it alot better especially the final battle. Who here would have loved to see capital ships vs final order star distroyers
『B』『U』 『C』『K』『O』 this movie hurts the most when you realize how much they could’ve done. A lot of people say TLJ wrote the movie into a corner, which is honestly bs. JJ had the opportunity to fix any of the issues and problems that TLJ had (I liked TLJ, but there were admittedly many problems). It could’ve used anakin in such a creative way now that we know force ghosts can shoot lightning and shit like that. The movie could’ve honestly helped people come around to the last Jedi and make Disney Star Wars feel more complete. When we see that could’ve happened, but instead they shoehorn palpatine, it makes the last installment of the saga give an existential emptiness that I don’t think I’ve ever gotten from any movie
@@sportsgamer8524 that is EXACTLY how I feel TLJ had some problems but it's by far my favourite out of the sequels because it feels like a star wars film made in 2017 and not a star wars film made in 2016 ou 2019 that tries to be like one that came out 40 years earlier
I feel the reason we didn't get a lot of unique designs was because Disney was too conservative with Star Wars, and was more focused on political ideologies rather than telling an actual story. It didn't help that there was no consistent vision for what anyone at Disney wanted their version of Star Wars to be, with some basically wanting to redo the Original Trilogy while others had more... "artistic" visions for the franchise like Rian Johnson, or they got too experimental like with Solo, which flopped hard.
Something in the production of this movie was completely messed up. In the film the characters act is if the First Order and Last Order are separate factions. But the esthetics are exactly the same and when the First Order Star Destroyer is attacked, its Sith Troopers not First Order Troopers that repell borders. Either they were supposed to be the same faction or the people designing the sets/costumes are exceptionally lazy.
And it is hillarious how the First Order LOST by jining up with Palpatine. They were already supposedly ruling the Galaxy, and nobody cared, then Palpatine shows up and suddenly everyone rises up and instantly wipes out the First Order along with "the Final Order"
Talking as a Design student, the first flagship's design is a masterpiece of abstraction. It takes elements from everything that represents the dark side of Kylo Ren and mashes them together in a way that still obeys the First Order's aesthetic rules quite well. Sad we didn't get to see that on screen (rip eclipse too)
Just imagine if instead of Exegol being the setting it was Korriban, it would go with what the red hue was like in the art. Korriban being the setting would also develop how the star destroyers where even made VIA Abandoned Sith factories repaired and remodeled to fit Emperor Palpatines motives.
Hey eck, I've been feeling like since ROS, all the lore channels have kinda just given up on discussing Star Wars lore or are putting out less of it. Do you think morale is low since the sequel trilogy went out with a whimper?
The sequels ruined the lore. The sequel trilogy made everything so confusing and nothing make sense. You cant talk about any lore around the chosen one prophecy because they fucked it up. You cant talk about the force because they fucked it up. You cant talk about anything star wars because they fucked it up. There is less lore videos because if you talk about the lore, sooner or later there will be a contradiction due to the sequels.
I actually liked Mass Effect Andromeda. I think it compares quite well to Mass Effect 1 (I played them back-to-back). I'd say TFA is more equivalent to ME:A, so perhaps it is a good thing Andromeda didn't get the rest of a trilogy.
The other problem was sitting in a cinema with loads of just greys, blacks and dark blues is really difficult to actually look at without a lot of other colours in there
Korriban/Moraband was already kind of red so I don't mind them going for the dead ashen grey look, the solar eclipse would've been cool though. Also it's a shame they didn't use the designs of Exegol where it had a ruined Sith city surrounding the citadel where Palatine is hiding, similar to Malachor in Rebels.
It seems in some draft, perhaps inspired by dear ol' Grandpa, Kylo was trying to resurrect The Sith. Hence, the red troopers. They probably changed all that when they shoehorned Palpatine into the story.
Tbh, this trilogy was a lost cause after TLJ 😂 TFA was good, with a lot of potential, and TLJ just wasted it, from there I shouldn't have been expecting anything
As much as it pains me to see how cook TROS could have been, the fact is the entire Sequel Trilogy was screwed up from the beginning with TFA, it's just a lot of us, myself included, were too blind to see it at the time. Aside from preventing the new Canon from having any cool stories between ROTJ and TFA, the movies already established that there's essentially no government, and that the New Republic exists only in name, so no new cool ships or troops; Luke never got the New Jedi Order off the ground, so nothing there either; the formation of the First Order, or whatever the new Empire/Imperial Remnant should have been, was never elaborated on in the movies, nor did the movies establish if the FO was merely a surviving splinter faction or a reinvigorated war machine with limitless resources; there were no Dark Side orders, because it turns out the Knights of Ren are just a group of barbarians with no ties to the Sith or Sidious' plan, and that was only addressed through the damn comics; and the Resistance just uses old hands-me-downs, so no new ships or anything there either. Combine all of that with the fact that none of the directors had a common vision and the person in charge of Lucasfilm cared more about identity politics than what the actual story was. I really have no idea how they were GIVEN a new Star Wars trilogy and a whole new Canon to build, and they've fucked it up from the get-go. That's why I can't get into the new comics or shows like The Mandalorian, because I know canonically none of it matters; the Republic will still be destroyed without a major battle, the Knights of Ren will ultimately be of no consequence, Luke, Han and Leia will essentially accomplish nothing, and Rey will be the one to create a new Jedi Order from LITERALLY nothing. No guidance, no artifacts, no training, nothing; and the Skywalker line will be dead, forever. It's easier to just go back to Legends.
I didn't even bother with disney's star wars. I went and saw the movies, but that was about it. I actually had started jumping ship to Halo a year or so prior to Disney ruining the franchise, and seeing as a lot of the Star Wars authors whose works I enjoyed started writing for Halo made me abandon the franchise altogether, outside of looking back at how it was before the dark times. Before Disney.
Hell, a fractured empire would have been amazing to see. Warlords either trying to come together while tearing their boarders apart, the uneasy peace between the remnants and the new republic... think of an opening shot in which a remodeled blockade runner approaches a battle-scared imperial star destroyer. A reminder of the past, but telling of just how different the times have changed... so much potential...
Exactly, and this is the result of executives being scarred shitless of being even remotely similar to "the prequels" that "every true SW fan hated". Because we all know that politics are boring and are of no use to create a coherent universe. OT fanboys that trashtalked the prequels for years reaped what they sowed, and while I'm sad to see it go, at least I know where it comes from. And that's also why I respect TLJ, at least it tried to force the director for 9 to do something original and good by literrally giving a new blank page to work with, wich we nearly got with "Duel of the fates"... But noo, JJ had to come back and run the last hope we had into the ground.
In reference to fractal sponges, or however you say his name. I understand why they would be used for internal art, its easy to just get the models, slap some small changes and use it as a showpiece to what u have in mind. In my eyes that seems fair behind closed doors. I think its more on who put together the book then the initial artist. Those models shouldn't have been used in the book tbh.
Disney: "So we're going to use someones fan art for our Rise of Skywalker art book and we aren't going to give credit to the artist. Theres nothing they can do because the fan art is based off our intellectual property and you can't sue us."
6:36 From what I’ve heard, photobashing (using images in drawings to save time) is a pretty common thing for concept art. I’ve never actually done concept art for films or games or anything like that, but what I’ve heard from people who have is that they don’t really care how you make the piece as long as you get it done. I think this is fine for concept art, but I agree that they probably shouldn’t put this stuff in the book. I find it odd that the concept artists aren’t using the hq models that they have rights to, you’d think they’d be able to access those. It’s unfortunate that there is so much art theft
i like a lot of the concept art and early designs from this book, like the other helmets for Kylo, the Preatorian guard looking guys, and art like blue double bladed lightsaber rey, kylo and that weird creature, the awesome unused locations and scenes and as twisted as it sounds the laser guillotine and General Hux's suicide
Nah, wipe the Disney trilogy movies out - all of them. Make nothing after, and leave Return of the Jedi as the simple, satisfying conclusion to the movies.
NIVLAC_DJ No, no. Wiping Solo is fair. They made Lando a toaster-screwer, gave the Falcon an SJW AI, and basically made it so that Han was always a good guy from the beginning. Plus the dice now represent Han's love for his ex..., pretty awkward for Luke to give that to Leia, right?
I have read all three of these Books. They actually feature a lot of awesome Artwork, but by the time I came to TROS, I started noticing a pattern: That almost every time they came up with a cool, unique and NEW design, they seemed to panic (or were reigned in), backtracked and decided on the most conservative option available. And they cited the OT as some sort of manual so often, letting it lead the way and only following in its footsteps. Almost as if they were afraid to truly leave the beaten path.
Every time I read comments here or in EC Henry's channel, I am both uplifted and disheartened by how well fandom in general understood the characters and technology better than the people making the final decisions in the films.
It's because artists are most likely Star Wars fans. They need the knowledge of the universe in order to create good concepts. These people play old games in their free time, watch movies and research old and unused art. Disney is a megacorporation that cares about creativity as long as it fits with their plans. They research what people talk about after seeing the movie and it's most likely that 90% of the comments were about inclusion of modern topics such as female representation, minorities and sending liberal messages. That's why Ep8 included Holdo, Rose and freeing the space horses. That didn't turn out all that well so Rose was no more, new female characters appeared with minimal screen time (I don't think that ex-trooper woman which teams up with Finn got 2 minutes of total screen time) and everything focused on Rey-Kylo relationship now.
@@adam145 The representation of minorities and feminism are not problems, in fact neither do they have a bearing on history, the main problem is actually disagreements between the directors and also the Disney economy in question, ships and equipment. In the original idea of J.J Abrams it was for Rey to be a Skywalker, but Rian Jonhson killed Snoke in Ep VIII, that ended up destroying the continuity and they had to bring the palpatine back. Directors do not agree with themselves. About the ships with yourself, said Disney, do not want to spend on this type of thing, she prefers to reuse old things, this is a very bad idea, the visual artists with visa above had a lot of cool ideas
The double star destroyer actually comes from a forgotten piece of star wars history. When return of the Jedi ended, Kenner wanted to come up with their own continuation of star wars so they could keep making toys. The double star destroyer was one of them
That top side hanger would have been such a good spot for a mid size battle, like a boarding action. Just imagine that top down shot of both sides firing blasters, and the rush to get control of the force field before the first order just dumps them into space.
So Anyone else feels that Disney calling old expanded cannon "Legends" is just their way of pissing and tarnishing the actual good work done for it? It really fesls like they just called it that way so people don't feel inclined to research or read the old expanded Star Wars (Mara Jade stuff, Yuzan Wong, Chewie dying to save his friends, Darth Krait)
Thanks for the summary. Coming up with great new designs and not using them is something of a running gag in Disney's trilogy. The art book for E7 also had plenty of great ideas. Having a hangar bay on the ceiling would have been interesting in many ways. I find it very reminiscent of the Venator-class star destroyer, a throwback to Republic-era design that's not so surprising. The First Order as described in 7 borrowed elements from the GAR: trooper indoctrination from early childhood, early attempts of using clones, heavy reliance on starfighters. It wouldn't have improved the corresponding scene where Kylo Ren suddenly forgot how to use the Force to pin the Falcon down, but it would been visually interesting at least.
The first thing I thought about when I saw the thumbnail is that meme where all the prairie dogs are standing in a circle saying “I’d like to thank y’all for coming today”
They said in the releases that they didn't want to 'spoil the ending' in the books so nothing about Palpatine or the rebel fleet were allowed. You can see a short video on the rebel fleet design on the Target release of the Bluray. It might even be up on RUclips now. That scene with Kylo Ren landing, they used that design with the Venerator. I agree the SD's would have been a lot cooler and the movie was haphazard and blah. There were a lot of things wrong with it. They really wanted to push the underdog thing to absurd lengths. And crashing the Falcon that many times?? That shipyard design looked cool but weird. I think I'll hold off on buying the book now that I know what is in it.
Thank you for being one of the few major Star Wars channels that calls out Disney’s bullshit. Also the sith troopers are so stupid having red armor would make you a walking target
Wow that Anvil version 5 ship would have been so much nicer than the blocky Supremacy. I love the cross guard engine array and the diamond shape. Damn.
If you observe every shot of the destroyers in TROS, they did actually make changes to the ship...pretty unnoticeable though. They add another deflector shield and the communications tower from an ISD above the slightly modified bridge. Also I believe they added doors to the main hangar due to the incidents in the last 2 movies
My hope is that John John and Dave will take these designs and reincorporate them somehow into their new series in some way. Just so legitimately good work does not go to waste.
We can only hope that some day there'll be another chapter or Star Wars, or a deeper exploration of this one, where we'll get to see all these things out there. If we can see the "Outlander" self sufficient TIE from the Force Awakens concept in Mandalorian, maybe the rest of all yhis can start to come out.
The first order factory, kylos super star destroyer, the hanger, the red battle of Exegol tone with the ships rising from underground factories that would have made the movie so much better! I mean the script would still need much changing as barely any of it made any sense
The complete lack of surprise I felt when you mentioned yet more plagiarism in published official materials just makes me sad. I really liked the first concept image you showed of Kylo's SSD; these movies are such a good chance to show off new ship designs and it's so disappointing to see that opportunity go to waste.
The movie was so bad, I didn't even think about them being so out of place, until some youtuber summed it up with: "Space horses are your problem? Just tilt the ship and let them fall of, wtf". I laughed hard, then I cried. RIP Star Wars.
cool, hrrmmm... i if i were to describe how i meant it should look in that one short story i wrote at-least was picturing sort of a ... well i really like that art for the star destroyer factory, its pretty cool, i was picturing sort of like a deep underground construction that makes a planet look almost like theirs a death star buried in it in portions of it, or a Dyson sphere that has had the planet element of it completely overgrow on top of it, so you'd have this massive elevator shaft, like that factory opening, and because its built deep and underground the most bottom layer and one of the most important first to build would have been the anti-gravity plating to basically remove gravity as a factor for everything above it to very minimal levels and would depend on artificial gravity plating on walkways to keep people pulled down and chains actually keeping star destroyers anchored to the floors and areas they were built on because the anti gravity means they could float inside of a ... well Dyson sphere or death star or interior factory of a planet sized construction yard, that in essence was a huge building built into the crust of a planet, and you would just have hundreds or perhaps just 20 to 50 on each floor for like 10 to 20 floors and one central open shaft on scale like that, maybe even just one vast floor with hundreds and then like 10 or so floors each like that, give it a overwhelming yet mechanically comparable to modern earth during war time feel
EckhartsLadder, These Images ARE GODDAMN! AWESOME! I'm thinking about making a fanfiction of what The Rise of skywalker Should have ben instead if the one that we got and hey, I liked the original one, though it could've turned out a little better had these things been added. I am definitely buying the art of The Rise of Skywalker one day.
Fractal Sponge or as i know him Ansel Hsiao actually had a few deals to build and or sell the models for SW. But this shot matches one of his renders so it was probably lifted form what i can see
It would be interesting to know which of these ideas were from J J Abrams and his team and which were from Colin Trevorrow, because I feel like most of the Star Destroyer artwork alongside this shipyard in form of the First Order logo feels more in line with Trevorrow's script than with what we got in TRoS by J J Abrams. I presume that the artworks from the places we saw in TRoS are obviously from the Abrams film crew, but I have the bad feeling that the Super Star Destroyer for Kylo got scrapped because it was never planned for TRoS - however, we know that at least one Super Star Destroyer/Super Starship Structure was planned for the Trevorrow-script.
The Legends New Republic Rises.... watch for some space battles, starting in an hour: ruclips.net/video/UJDFM0utLuE/видео.html
Mind you, we're talking about people, who made Starkiller base and thought that its most scary attribute was a "hyperspace laser"... meanwhile they gave it an ability to
1)directly collect energy from the stars at its own forced rate,
2)shown that First Order excavated and build over a whole planet in few decades,
3)made a mistake of putting hyperspace part into the weapon implying that the whole thing had an ability to open and maintain hyperspace anomalies.
So its utility was actually scarier then its use. 1 and 2 combined logically lead to First Order basically having their own Star Forge with the unlimited amount of energy and resources at their disposal and enough equipment to replace a significant part of a planet with machinery in short order. While 1 and 3 together imply that with a bit of adjusting, Star Killer can travel in hyperspace by ITSELF. At this rate Star Killer becomes not a name that carries around a point about its use, but rather a horrific rumour about unknown weapon that destroys planets and blackens the stars. You know, as in when someone investigates it with spies or gravity sensors, there is a planet, but when Republic fleet enters the system, there is a star that has cold surfaces and wouldn't shine again for a few weeks, but also no planet or even traces of one. Mobile Star Forge is much more potent and Star Killer ALREADY had all the needed equipement. And it would have perfectly explained all the First Orders ships appearing out of nowhere in millions.
#AskEck in cannon story of star wars which imperial 2 star destroyer received the worst demise?
For example Thrawns chimera during the battle of Lothal.
Admiral (I think)Peits super star destroyer during the fall of the second death star.
We need a Corgi Class Star Destroyer
Biggest problem was studio interference and the director swap for episode 8.
#AskEck How do enemy fleets know the names of enemy ships in both Star Wars and Halo??
"Having a Hangar like this wouldve been completely new..."
*Angry Venator noises*
Venator: *Opens all 4 hangers in disapproval*
The Venators hanger was very long with large bays for fighters along the side so it’s not the same as the hanger for Kylo Rens Star Destroyer.
The venator hangar is technically not top open, if you watch the clone wars series you'll see that the atmospheric shields are vertical and that the area directly beneath the top hatch is just a void.
@@macnof that’s kind of true but there is some kind of atmospheric shielding because in that episode where grievous boards Kenobi’s venator (notably where the clone gets his neck crushed) an arc 170 crashes in the middle portion and obi wan goes out to save him. I’d that were a void then kenobi would’ve died
@@fissilepear7805 unless he is actually Mary Poppins it the whole way?
A bit more seriously, he would have between 10 and 15 seconds from entering vacuum until he lost consciousness as a regular human, as a Jedi, maybe more?
Other than that, it seems kind of weird to have both the vertical blue shield and another shield. Maybe the outer part of the hangar is partially pressurised the make for a more smooth exit of the hangar?
Disney: "So we have a new bad faction. Its made up of Sith Loyalists who are fanatical about the Dark Side"
Fans: "Cool so we'll get some crazy new designs for ships right?"
Disney: "How do you feel about Imperial Star Destroyers with a big boomstick on the bottom?"
All messed up cause episode 8. Original episode 9 was supposed to be much longer, I hate Rian for making a film where absolutely nothing happened
True. But Abrams rather buried than save last episode...
@@xpredator8813 The Force Awakens was almost a good movie to re-introduce to the mass public.
The Last Jedi is like starting a fire inside a paper factory until it all grows fiery red.
The Rise of Skywalker is almost the Chernobyl reactor exploding when placed near the burning paper factory!
BECUZ MUH BIG DIK ACTION
If you're going to borrow from Dark Empire at least borrow the coolest ship design from there, I mean a fleet of mini Eclipse star Destroyers? Shut up and take my money!
Those images of Kylo Ren's version of a Star Destroyer got me thinking about him as a character.
It is already established lore that Jedi often work on something to keep themselves grounded in reality. Be it piloting ships, working with droids, or speaking with other people. I think it would have been an interesting change of pace if Kylo kept himself grounded by designing ships. What if he designed the absolute fleet killers of the First Order? It would help flesh out his nostalgia for the Empire and it would be a change of pace to "evil guy in a mask." I can imagine him being skilled in the Force but also intelligent when it comes to designing a fleet. It makes sense, his father was one of the best and creative pilots, his mother was the general of the Rebellion, and his mentor knew how to take down large targets. Kylo Ren could have been the perfect choice for designing a ship to counter the New Republic. But that's too complicated for JJ I guess.
and from a lore standpoint, I believe that (since the planet wasn't blown up) Kylo would have spent more time on Corellia as a Kid before joining Lukes' Jedi Praxeum, meaning that Ben (had he became a Jedi) would have gotten some experience with the Corellian Engineering Corporation and have easily been susceptible to the playful rumor that Kylo "had Jet-Fuel for blood" (A common joke made about Corellians due to their apparent love for being both the best pilots and the best shipwrights in the Galaxy).
Having grown up most of his early life on Corellia, Kylo would have quickly jumped at the opportunity to design and fly his own capital ships when he became part of the First Order, often showing up Hux whenever he tried to assume command of one of the ships that Kylo had personally designed and that only he knew the ships layout and design faculties. Or if Kylo hears that Hux ended up using one of his designed ships in a way that caused unnecessary damage or preventable loss-of-life had Hux used the systems that Kylo had installed within the ship in the first place, only for Hux to keep getting fed up at Kylo trying to assume command over his fleet like this. It would have provided a more believable and realistic rivalry between the two of them that would feel more organic and grounded instead of being contrived and out-of-place like it was in the trilogy.
I like this idea alot. Kylo designing dark brutalist ship designs like the edgelord he is but doing so competently. Maybe he had designs that were alot less edgy in his early years but the darker he got the darker his designs got.
@@0hvist This is a really good addition.
@@0hvist It honestly upsets me how much better this sounds then anything actually canon about Kylo, lol
Kylo Ren would obviously lack the technological understanding to design a Star Destroyer
The more we learn about the making of the Sequels the worst the end result looks.
I totally agree!
And the better Last Jedi looks.
@@silentdrew7636 I wouldn't go that far... The main reason the last movie was so rushed is because Rian did such a shit job on his movie and dug a stupid hole and developed nothing of use...
@@silentdrew7636 I'd agree if you had said worse. Tlj is the ugly stick.
@@tinncan He tried to do something different because TFA was such a nostalgic crap fest they should've just called it "A New, New hope". JJ didn't have to go a different route, we've seen preliminary storyboards based on TLJ going forward including Kylo going to a desolate Coruscant to find a hidden Sith temple under the Jedi temple, which would've been sick. JJ Bringing back Palps was lazy story writing at it's very best. TFA was the hole, Rian just tried to change it from being a copy and paste remake of previous movies.
It really does annoy me how much cool stuff was on there. They had so much wasted potential. So much.
They just focused on Nostalgia, ignoring the rest.
@@firuzmajid4780 That's what happens when you let JJ and Kennedy chart out a trilogy... oh wait.. They didn't even have a coherent storyboard for the trilogy. :(
Ever watch the deleted scenes of TLJ?
Robert B don’t forget rian.
The First Order VS. The New Republic.
Hear me out: If Starkiller was never a thing, and the military of the New Republic and the First Order went at it, imagine the story. The Redemption of the Republic Senate, the return of Politics in Star Wars, which although boring, are amazing points to the overall story, as proven in the Clone Wars. There could be so many different story arcs for individuals too. I'm listing what I can so strap in.
Finn: An ex-stormtrooper turned into a Republic Commander. Most of the Republic would hate him, and even oppose him due to his origin. But Finn would prove himself battle after battle and become a war hero.
Rey: One of the last jedi in the galaxy, who has to rely solely on herself to train as Luke refused. The entire galaxy looks up to her, and she feels she can't let them down (a little Pull to the Dark Side perhaps?)
Poe Dameron: Poe would shoot up the ranks of the military, developing tactics and ideas to counter the intense onslaught of the First Order.
Kylo Ren: As he gathers in strength, his faith in the Supreme Leader Snoke diminishes. He secretly attempts to convince Rey to join him, (a little knock back, but not rip off, of Luke and Vader). Eventually, Kylo betrays Snoke, becomes the Supreme Leader, and is known throughout the galaxy as a murderer, making his redemption all the better. Hell, its Disney, throw in a little Rey x Kylo too. Love triangle between Rey, Finn and Kylo, add suspension. Maybe even have Kylo kill/wound Finn and the relationship between Rey and Kylo become a lot more complex.
Luke: Luke would at first deny the war, but after some convincing from Leia, Lando, Han, Chewie, Yoda, and even have Anakin counsel him as a Force Ghost, Luke decides to join the fight. He becomes the Jedi Grand Master we all know and love from Legends, and starts a new order to counter Kylo's chosen.
Leia: Leia, now too old to fight, must turn to the political side of the war. She begins to work in the Senate, calling out traitors of the Republic and inspiring the galaxy to be better. Corruption in the Senate dies, and a new hope is born that the New Republic will not fall like the Galactic Republic did.
Han: Han is torn apart by the war. On one end, his friend and wife are fighting for the Republic. On the other, his only Son leads the First Order. He tries to drink his problems away at first, but eventually is visited by Rey, Leia & Luke. After an emotional moment, we see Han return to the fight, acting as a General in the Republic once more. All the while, he tries to find ways to redeem his son, and bring him back to the light.
This isn't even counting the individual spinnoffs for the New Jedi Order, the Resistance (now working with but not formally considered Republic), and the return of Palpatine with his own fleet. Perhaps the First Order and Republic working together to prevent Palpatine from destroying the known galaxy?
The only flaw I'm thinking is that it's a lot like the Prequels, and not entirely its own storyline. But hey, better to be Relatable then to be an down-right rip off.
Just saying this movie would have made so much sense of three things happened.
Chewie actually died when ray destroyed the transport/or revealing that he was alive at a better moment
Exegol was built on the remnants of the star forge.
Rey died and Ben adopted the name Skywalker in memory of his mother.
Ok but seriously that would improve the quality of the story by a ton
Leia never used the name Skywalker. She was always an Organa and briefly a Solo.
Kylo being the survivor and having to reform a Order of force users would have been cool
@@nahuelleandroarroyo especially because he would have still carried guilt and would have had a troubled past instead of Mrs. Perfect surviving, having a completely clean conscience and no complex history. Kylo would have needed to redeem himself, by spending his whole life on fixing what he broke.
@@isogonbackup5361 Bringing back Palpatine was the biggest mistake. Rey should have been revealed to be the rightful heir to the Empire and thrown the first order into chaos. The movie should have been infighting between Rey and Kylo for control of the Empire and Galaxy. It would have complemented the good aspects of TLJ while fixing the problems it created too.
Mind you, we're talking about people, who made Starkiller base and thought that its most scary attribute was a "hyperspace laser"... meanwhile they gave it an ability to
1)directly collect energy from the stars at its own forced rate,
2)shown that First Order excavated and build over a whole planet in few decades,
3)made a mistake of putting hyperspace part into the weapon implying that the whole thing had an ability to open and maintain hyperspace anomalies.
So its utility was actually scarier then its use. 1 and 2 combined logically lead to First Order basically having their own Star Forge with the unlimited amount of energy and resources at their disposal and enough equipment to replace a significant part of a planet with machinery in short order. While 1 and 3 together imply that with a bit of adjusting, Star Killer can travel in hyperspace by ITSELF. At this rate Star Killer becomes not a name that carries around a point about its use, but rather a horrific rumour about unknown weapon that destroys planets and blackens the stars. You know, as in when someone investigates it with spies or gravity sensors, there is a planet, but when Republic fleet enters the system, there is a star that has cold surfaces and wouldn't shine again for a few weeks, but also no planet or even traces of one. Mobile Star Forge is much more potent and Star Killer ALREADY had all the needed equipement. And it would have perfectly explained all the First Orders ships appearing out of nowhere in millions.
so true
No, Starkiller Base was powered by a type of dark matter called quintessence, not an entire star. I'm not sure why TFA showed Starkiller sucking in a star but this isn't what actually happens supposedly.
rockmycd13 oh. Thx for clarifying but starkiller is still a mess
@@rockmycd1319 Quintessence? Does this mean starkiller base can turn into a giant robot?
@@rockmycd1319 i remember the novel and visual art book didn't say where it got its power from till much later. Still, i don't think JJ and crew didn't put as much thought into it as you did. They went for the "looks cool" route and figured out the rest later.
I hate that Star Wars now conjures up profound sadness and tiredness instead of excitement in me. I'm not even that angry anymore.
just ignore the sequels and look forward to the awesome tv shows they're making
Same brother
*Stockholm Syndrome
Yeah... At least we've got the EU and fan projects. I've ordered parts from SaberForge for my own lightsaber. The love goes on but I just have to ignore Disney; kindof like a painful breakup.
Just finished The Unifying Force. I’m on a Star Wars high, lol,
The hangar wouldn't be completely new. It would be a nice recall to the venator though.
Actually that would make total sense for the Xyston class since they have the underslung superlaser have a venator style hanger along the hull to rapidly launch ties with side hangers for landing during combat.
Eck: "Having a hangar like this would have been completely new."
Venator: "Am I a Joke to you?"
Anything that harks to the Venator is good to me. Love that class of ship
Rise of Skywalker had many flaws. The biggest one was that they attempted to rewrite The Last Jedi rather than writing an actually good movie. As evident by this art, they left a lot on the cutting room floor because they spent half of the film trying to retcon.
I do think that the First Order factory would have been much more interesting in place of the planet with Zorrii Bliss
The only good things to come out of the Rise of Skywalker was finally seeing a yellow lightsaber in live action (which was just a bit of a tease since it was in the very last minute) and Babu Frik. That’s it
@@CrazyWeridoRH Babu Frik, the droid repair shop owner who doesn't have a space-USB drive equivalent to backup C-3PO, for some reason. I would think that backup storage units would be quite common, but then we wouldn't have the cheap and ultimately pointless C-3PO 'death' bit.
Scythe Seven I hate how two characters "die", only to be brought backin a few minutes. There's no stakes.
@@eridor I mean tbf, everyone would be angry if chewie died like that. It was more of a way to help them work together. And when were there stake in the OT
@@tripled2505 But even after Chewie's "death" imagine how much better it would've been had Rey sensed Chewie on board the star destroyer versus General "whiny bitch" Hux bringing him on screen like 2 minutes later.
The Battle of Exegol and TROS is like eck’s heroin, he hates it but he can’t stop making videos
He definitely has a lot to say about it. But I guess it makes sense since that ship's and space navy strategy is his favourite thing to talk about and TROS's Battle of Exegol is the worst space battle in the franchise even visually because of how cluttered it is with the same ships over and over.
Sad but true
That's because it's not actually "bad". The Battle of Exegol concept had huge potential, that got squandered by the filmmakers poor decisions. It's just begging for a Special Edition version to come along and make it awesome by fixing a few (dozen) things.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
It's good content. Probably gets a lot of views
The art book is 10x better then the movie smh
A TIE Fighter fan film is better than the sequels
I know why disney why you dissapoint me more and more the more we learn about what you've done with the star wars franchise!
Its sad that an art book manage to capture my excitement more than the final movie
Simply put, art books are just that, books of art. Minimal to no oversight, and creative minds given a direction and let loose. No spotty narratives or rewritten or botched plot lines. It’s a collection of true creativity unhindered.
No wonder none of it was used 😂
Fractal Sponge: You took everything from me.
Disney: I don’t even know who you are.
Fractal sponge will have vengeance
It would be hilarious if it weren't true 😡 ...
Ouch.
Ouch....
Disney Writer logic:
Wow, alot of these ideas are really cool! but... do they subvert expectations? lets go with space horses instead
Not quite as brilliant as putting a major part of the move (Palpatine's broadcast) into Fortnite, and not the actual movie itself. That was genius!
Scythe Seven *Poe Dameron to the resistance* hey guys did you play fortnite? Palatine sent out a message.
I think it was more like "A lot of these ideas are really cool, but how much do they cost to model? ... WHAT? Na, let's just reuse the old Stardestroyer model than and slap a huge canon on it."
Hahaha! That I can imagine.
"Look at these horses"
-Rich Evans
6:42 If they gave him credit then they would HAVE to pay him. As it is id sue them for using my art pure and simple. They would make no hesitation for any of us doing the same w/ their assets.
Yes because Disney is know for not having the budget and money to pay a few people lmao
He’d drown in debt faster than investors in the stock market of 1929. Suing is EXPENSIVE and you can’t out spend Disney, they’d probably just drag it out as long as possible to make him give up, and that’s if the case has a fighting chance in court. If he does win it would certainly be appealed and so even more fees and time. Unless he’s running a super successful funding campaign or gets financial support it’s dead from the start.
@@tinylegofiend8605 Here's an idea? We could take the idea of unionizing and apply it to fan-made creations? For example a group of Fan-artists/fans from multiple franchises group up and will call out outright stolen fan art/creations and work towards getting some sort of law that requires some form of credit or compensation for the use of fan-created material in official artwork by studios.
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The Centrist Gamer thats a great idea but that law already exists, its called intellectual property and copyright laws lmao. Redistributing artwork of any kind without permission is a breach of copyright, even if the artwork is derivative of something you own. The union idea is great though, since the only reason disney gets away with it is artists not wanting to attempt legal action and Disney having legions of law-troopers at their disposal
High quality fan art: *Exists*
Art team: ThIs WiLl MaKe A fInE aDdItIoN tO mY cOlEcTiOn!
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You know, reading this brought me back to the good old prequel days...
I can't believe the saga never even refer to The New Republic even in the concept books, it was like they never existed after TFA (Yes I know, Hosnien Prime was destroyed but it still isn't an excuse to not even show remaining scattered show fleets, space stations, next gen fighters all that kind of stuff)
I was shocked that there was 0 new republic ship in the last battle, its not like Every ship of their fleet would have been on the destroyed planets
Aggreed. My biggest beefs with the ST are that they killed off the New Republic after barely mentioning it in TFA and that they killed off the Jedi Order (again!). If you ask me, the Republic should have been the main good guy faction, not the cheap Rebel Alliance knockoff, the Resistance. And there should have been more Jedi. Like at least 50 by that point.
@WillFanofMany Which is dumb. That would be like the US having all military bases in Washington DC instead of across the country like in real life. Makes me wonder what he had against the New Republic.
@@akl2k7 what he had against it? He wanted to remake A New Hope, and for that the New Republic had to play back seat to the resistance and ultimately be removed from the picture.
They were simply inconvenient, and these people have to much hubris to work around existing material, the established material has to adapt to their artistic vision.
Wish alot of the stuff that we see now in art books were in the movie. It would have made it alot better especially the final battle. Who here would have loved to see capital ships vs final order star distroyers
if they only asked EA to handle them the Onager's model, it would have been a better sequence
TROS concept art: exists
Disney: ignores
Dave Filoni: write that down write that down!!!
TROS is just an rushed and unpolished mess that doesn't make any sense with the rest of the saga
@Elijah Neil True. So much potential for character development and direction, all ruined and we can't do anything about it.
『B』『U』 『C』『K』『O』 this movie hurts the most when you realize how much they could’ve done. A lot of people say TLJ wrote the movie into a corner, which is honestly bs. JJ had the opportunity to fix any of the issues and problems that TLJ had (I liked TLJ, but there were admittedly many problems). It could’ve used anakin in such a creative way now that we know force ghosts can shoot lightning and shit like that. The movie could’ve honestly helped people come around to the last Jedi and make Disney Star Wars feel more complete. When we see that could’ve happened, but instead they shoehorn palpatine, it makes the last installment of the saga give an existential emptiness that I don’t think I’ve ever gotten from any movie
Honestly viewed as a whole, each film in the Sequel Trilogy feels like they're from three individual sequel trilogies.
@@sportsgamer8524 that is EXACTLY how I feel TLJ had some problems but it's by far my favourite out of the sequels because it feels like a star wars film made in 2017 and not a star wars film made in 2016 ou 2019 that tries to be like one that came out 40 years earlier
Lol it makes more sense than half of the movies in the saga
I feel the reason we didn't get a lot of unique designs was because Disney was too conservative with Star Wars, and was more focused on political ideologies rather than telling an actual story. It didn't help that there was no consistent vision for what anyone at Disney wanted their version of Star Wars to be, with some basically wanting to redo the Original Trilogy while others had more... "artistic" visions for the franchise like Rian Johnson, or they got too experimental like with Solo, which flopped hard.
Solo isn't even a bad movie though, I think it flopped due to lack of interest after 8 personally.
Solo was actually a good movie!
Something in the production of this movie was completely messed up. In the film the characters act is if the First Order and Last Order are separate factions. But the esthetics are exactly the same and when the First Order Star Destroyer is attacked, its Sith Troopers not First Order Troopers that repell borders.
Either they were supposed to be the same faction or the people designing the sets/costumes are exceptionally lazy.
And it is hillarious how the First Order LOST by jining up with Palpatine. They were already supposedly ruling the Galaxy, and nobody cared, then Palpatine shows up and suddenly everyone rises up and instantly wipes out the First Order along with "the Final Order"
Talking as a Design student, the first flagship's design is a masterpiece of abstraction. It takes elements from everything that represents the dark side of Kylo Ren and mashes them together in a way that still obeys the First Order's aesthetic rules quite well. Sad we didn't get to see that on screen (rip eclipse too)
Just imagine if instead of Exegol being the setting it was Korriban, it would go with what the red hue was like in the art. Korriban being the setting would also develop how the star destroyers where even made VIA Abandoned Sith factories repaired and remodeled to fit Emperor Palpatines motives.
It really bugged me that kylo only had a resurgent he could have at least had a mandator
"Missed chances" Describes the entire sequal trilogy.
RIP Carrie Fisher
You mean *sabotaged opportunity* they knew what they were doing.
@@MediumRareOpinions true
Hey eck, I've been feeling like since ROS, all the lore channels have kinda just given up on discussing Star Wars lore or are putting out less of it. Do you think morale is low since the sequel trilogy went out with a whimper?
The sequels ruined the lore. The sequel trilogy made everything so confusing and nothing make sense. You cant talk about any lore around the chosen one prophecy because they fucked it up. You cant talk about the force because they fucked it up. You cant talk about anything star wars because they fucked it up. There is less lore videos because if you talk about the lore, sooner or later there will be a contradiction due to the sequels.
1:55 I absolutely love this design. It is large and intimidating, yet elegant. And these engines at the back of the bridge also look great.
TROS the movie equivalent of mass effect Andromeda. Huge potential, massive let down
I actually liked Mass Effect Andromeda. I think it compares quite well to Mass Effect 1 (I played them back-to-back). I'd say TFA is more equivalent to ME:A, so perhaps it is a good thing Andromeda didn't get the rest of a trilogy.
The ST was the Star Wars equivalent to Mass Effect: Andromeda.
Oh my goodness, that's perfect!
I think "red Exegol" would've been better since it's a Sith planet.
I kinda liked the blue aesthetic of the movie. The red in last jedi wasn't handled well tbh
The other problem was sitting in a cinema with loads of just greys, blacks and dark blues is really difficult to actually look at without a lot of other colours in there
Korriban/Moraband was already kind of red so I don't mind them going for the dead ashen grey look, the solar eclipse would've been cool though. Also it's a shame they didn't use the designs of Exegol where it had a ruined Sith city surrounding the citadel where Palatine is hiding, similar to Malachor in Rebels.
personally I quite liked the eerie dark blue atmosphere with the lightning, made it feel dark and evil
*huh, sorta like the Moraband that already existed.......coulda used that.....*
It seems in some draft, perhaps inspired by dear ol' Grandpa, Kylo was trying to resurrect The Sith. Hence, the red troopers.
They probably changed all that when they shoehorned Palpatine into the story.
I love the fact that it seems nobody told Kylo that: Hey, you know, your grandpa turned back to the light side and killed the emperor.
Kylo: Oh...
Tbh, this trilogy was a lost cause after TLJ 😂 TFA was good, with a lot of potential, and TLJ just wasted it, from there I shouldn't have been expecting anything
That First Order symbol station is awesome.
I think that concept artist could come up with a better story than what we got.
As much as it pains me to see how cook TROS could have been, the fact is the entire Sequel Trilogy was screwed up from the beginning with TFA, it's just a lot of us, myself included, were too blind to see it at the time.
Aside from preventing the new Canon from having any cool stories between ROTJ and TFA, the movies already established that there's essentially no government, and that the New Republic exists only in name, so no new cool ships or troops; Luke never got the New Jedi Order off the ground, so nothing there either; the formation of the First Order, or whatever the new Empire/Imperial Remnant should have been, was never elaborated on in the movies, nor did the movies establish if the FO was merely a surviving splinter faction or a reinvigorated war machine with limitless resources; there were no Dark Side orders, because it turns out the Knights of Ren are just a group of barbarians with no ties to the Sith or Sidious' plan, and that was only addressed through the damn comics; and the Resistance just uses old hands-me-downs, so no new ships or anything there either.
Combine all of that with the fact that none of the directors had a common vision and the person in charge of Lucasfilm cared more about identity politics than what the actual story was.
I really have no idea how they were GIVEN a new Star Wars trilogy and a whole new Canon to build, and they've fucked it up from the get-go. That's why I can't get into the new comics or shows like The Mandalorian, because I know canonically none of it matters; the Republic will still be destroyed without a major battle, the Knights of Ren will ultimately be of no consequence, Luke, Han and Leia will essentially accomplish nothing, and Rey will be the one to create a new Jedi Order from LITERALLY nothing. No guidance, no artifacts, no training, nothing; and the Skywalker line will be dead, forever. It's easier to just go back to Legends.
I didn't even bother with disney's star wars. I went and saw the movies, but that was about it. I actually had started jumping ship to Halo a year or so prior to Disney ruining the franchise, and seeing as a lot of the Star Wars authors whose works I enjoyed started writing for Halo made me abandon the franchise altogether, outside of looking back at how it was before the dark times. Before Disney.
@@jamesleduke873 i moved to warhammer 40k
@Cobra1098 That’s exactly what I think, too.
Hell, a fractured empire would have been amazing to see. Warlords either trying to come together while tearing their boarders apart, the uneasy peace between the remnants and the new republic... think of an opening shot in which a remodeled blockade runner approaches a battle-scared imperial star destroyer. A reminder of the past, but telling of just how different the times have changed... so much potential...
Exactly, and this is the result of executives being scarred shitless of being even remotely similar to "the prequels" that "every true SW fan hated". Because we all know that politics are boring and are of no use to create a coherent universe.
OT fanboys that trashtalked the prequels for years reaped what they sowed, and while I'm sad to see it go, at least I know where it comes from.
And that's also why I respect TLJ, at least it tried to force the director for 9 to do something original and good by literrally giving a new blank page to work with, wich we nearly got with "Duel of the fates"... But noo, JJ had to come back and run the last hope we had into the ground.
this is what we could've seen if the trilogy was given a solid team from the beginning. a shame
I went through the artbook and just felt depressed, ngl. So many extremely awesome ideas that didnt see the light of day.
In summary: Directionless 'Creative Direction,' no clear concept what the story was going to be about when the art was made. Sounds familiar...
In reference to fractal sponges, or however you say his name. I understand why they would be used for internal art, its easy to just get the models, slap some small changes and use it as a showpiece to what u have in mind. In my eyes that seems fair behind closed doors. I think its more on who put together the book then the initial artist. Those models shouldn't have been used in the book tbh.
I wonder if fractal sponge could sue Disney for literally stealing HIS art
Disney: "So we're going to use someones fan art for our Rise of Skywalker art book and we aren't going to give credit to the artist. Theres nothing they can do because the fan art is based off our intellectual property and you can't sue us."
6:36 From what I’ve heard, photobashing (using images in drawings to save time) is a pretty common thing for concept art. I’ve never actually done concept art for films or games or anything like that, but what I’ve heard from people who have is that they don’t really care how you make the piece as long as you get it done. I think this is fine for concept art, but I agree that they probably shouldn’t put this stuff in the book. I find it odd that the concept artists aren’t using the hq models that they have rights to, you’d think they’d be able to access those. It’s unfortunate that there is so much art theft
Did you notice that 'crossguard' ship was a normal Resurgent hull that had been scaled up and stretched... only the engines and crossguard were new
Will Jolliff I didn’t know which specific ship it was
Kylo Ren:"I'll have a double decker Star Destroyer Supreme...Hold the Tomato boys"
Ecks: "Something got really messed up during the making of the movie"
Me: yeah... the movie did.
I love these types of videos!! PLEASE DO MORE
5:12 "having a hanger like this would have been completely new"
Venator: am I a joke to you?
i like a lot of the concept art and early designs from this book, like the other helmets for Kylo, the Preatorian guard looking guys, and art like blue double bladed lightsaber rey, kylo and that weird creature, the awesome unused locations and scenes and as twisted as it sounds the laser guillotine and General Hux's suicide
I say we eradicate the rise of skywalker and make a new one
Nah, wipe the Disney trilogy movies out - all of them. Make nothing after, and leave Return of the Jedi as the simple, satisfying conclusion to the movies.
@@CaptainBill22 leave solo out of this
NIVLAC_DJ No, no. Wiping Solo is fair. They made Lando a toaster-screwer, gave the Falcon an SJW AI, and basically made it so that Han was always a good guy from the beginning. Plus the dice now represent Han's love for his ex..., pretty awkward for Luke to give that to Leia, right?
meh solo was kind of a filler movie, it doesn't hurt whether it exists or not
@@CaptainBill22 solo was fine, and doesn't completely rip out current canon and throw it away, I for one thought solo was pretty good
I have read all three of these Books. They actually feature a lot of awesome Artwork, but by the time I came to TROS, I started noticing a pattern: That almost every time they came up with a cool, unique and NEW design, they seemed to panic (or were reigned in), backtracked and decided on the most conservative option available. And they cited the OT as some sort of manual so often, letting it lead the way and only following in its footsteps. Almost as if they were afraid to truly leave the beaten path.
Really on point about how the lack of art speaks to the lack of planning, especially with the distinction between FO and Remnant.
Every time I read comments here or in EC Henry's channel, I am both uplifted and disheartened by how well fandom in general understood the characters and technology better than the people making the final decisions in the films.
The Sequels making movies: weak
The Sequels making Concept Art: Mega Strong
It's because artists are most likely Star Wars fans. They need the knowledge of the universe in order to create good concepts. These people play old games in their free time, watch movies and research old and unused art. Disney is a megacorporation that cares about creativity as long as it fits with their plans. They research what people talk about after seeing the movie and it's most likely that 90% of the comments were about inclusion of modern topics such as female representation, minorities and sending liberal messages. That's why Ep8 included Holdo, Rose and freeing the space horses. That didn't turn out all that well so Rose was no more, new female characters appeared with minimal screen time (I don't think that ex-trooper woman which teams up with Finn got 2 minutes of total screen time) and everything focused on Rey-Kylo relationship now.
@@adam145 The representation of minorities and feminism are not problems, in fact neither do they have a bearing on history, the main problem is actually disagreements between the directors and also the Disney economy in question, ships and equipment. In the original idea of J.J Abrams it was for Rey to be a Skywalker, but Rian Jonhson killed Snoke in Ep VIII, that ended up destroying the continuity and they had to bring the palpatine back. Directors do not agree with themselves. About the ships with yourself, said Disney, do not want to spend on this type of thing, she prefers to reuse old things, this is a very bad idea, the visual artists with visa above had a lot of cool ideas
@@Obiwan7100 captain holdo
Top Hangar: "Could have been really cool, never seen before"
Venator: "Am I a joke to you?"
The double star destroyer actually comes from a forgotten piece of star wars history. When return of the Jedi ended, Kenner wanted to come up with their own continuation of star wars so they could keep making toys. The double star destroyer was one of them
EckhartsLadder: A top hangar would be completely new.
Venator: Am I a joke to you?
That top side hanger would have been such a good spot for a mid size battle, like a boarding action. Just imagine that top down shot of both sides firing blasters, and the rush to get control of the force field before the first order just dumps them into space.
So
Anyone else feels that Disney calling old expanded cannon "Legends" is just their way of pissing and tarnishing the actual good work done for it?
It really fesls like they just called it that way so people don't feel inclined to research or read the old expanded Star Wars (Mara Jade stuff, Yuzan Wong, Chewie dying to save his friends, Darth Krait)
Thanks for the summary.
Coming up with great new designs and not using them is something of a running gag in Disney's trilogy. The art book for E7 also had plenty of great ideas.
Having a hangar bay on the ceiling would have been interesting in many ways.
I find it very reminiscent of the Venator-class star destroyer, a throwback to Republic-era design that's not so surprising. The First Order as described in 7 borrowed elements from the GAR: trooper indoctrination from early childhood, early attempts of using clones, heavy reliance on starfighters.
It wouldn't have improved the corresponding scene where Kylo Ren suddenly forgot how to use the Force to pin the Falcon down, but it would been visually interesting at least.
5:08 eckhart, having a hanger like this would be completely new
Venator, am I a joke to you.
I love how the concept art makes more sense than what we got.
Its almost like having 3 seperate directors and no plan for a trilogy is a bad idea
I want it. Make more videos about this book. And fook, I still absolutely LOVE that outro!!!
The first thing I thought about when I saw the thumbnail is that meme where all the prairie dogs are standing in a circle saying “I’d like to thank y’all for coming today”
"We have never seen a hangar like this"
Venator-Class Star Destroyer
RIP CanisD. Your ship drawings always fueled my imagination, even though I only ever lurked the Wolf's Shipyard forums.
The Disney Sequel Trilogy is a supermassive dumpster fire 😖
Love your videos, haven't watched them in a while there amazing tho :D
They said in the releases that they didn't want to 'spoil the ending' in the books so nothing about Palpatine or the rebel fleet were allowed. You can see a short video on the rebel fleet design on the Target release of the Bluray. It might even be up on RUclips now. That scene with Kylo Ren landing, they used that design with the Venerator.
I agree the SD's would have been a lot cooler and the movie was haphazard and blah. There were a lot of things wrong with it. They really wanted to push the underdog thing to absurd lengths. And crashing the Falcon that many times??
That shipyard design looked cool but weird. I think I'll hold off on buying the book now that I know what is in it.
Gentlemen and Ladies, we were on the verge of greatness and potential. We were THIS. CLOSE!
Bro I love you end the videos with the doge playing home resonance
Thank you for being one of the few major Star Wars channels that calls out Disney’s bullshit. Also the sith troopers are so stupid having red armor would make you a walking target
That intro is pure chill
5:15 "would be completely new and unique"
Venator csd: "am I a joke to you"
Wow that Anvil version 5 ship would have been so much nicer than the blocky Supremacy. I love the cross guard engine array and the diamond shape. Damn.
I got to say that the First Order factory looked SICK!!! Man, when it comes to JJ. He gives us the opposite of what fans would have wanted.
If you observe every shot of the destroyers in TROS, they did actually make changes to the ship...pretty unnoticeable though. They add another deflector shield and the communications tower from an ISD above the slightly modified bridge. Also I believe they added doors to the main hangar due to the incidents in the last 2 movies
Also looking back, the bridge on the Resurgent's in TROS are centered. Unlike in TFA and TLJ where it's located on the starboard side of the ship
The eclipse size dreadnought should of been introduced and grand admiral thrawn. It's litteraly mentioned right there In the book
My hope is that John John and Dave will take these designs and reincorporate them somehow into their new series in some way. Just so legitimately good work does not go to waste.
We can only hope that some day there'll be another chapter or Star Wars, or a deeper exploration of this one, where we'll get to see all these things out there. If we can see the "Outlander" self sufficient TIE from the Force Awakens concept in Mandalorian, maybe the rest of all yhis can start to come out.
The Sith Troopers should have been Kylo's personal militia or something like his own shock troopers or death troopers
I’ve Paused this video before it starts but I get the feeling after I watch it I’m going to be mad and sad
Do more videos of the art book, please. I want to know just how drastic the behind-the-scenes drama was.
The first order factory, kylos super star destroyer, the hanger, the red battle of Exegol tone with the ships rising from underground factories that would have made the movie so much better! I mean the script would still need much changing as barely any of it made any sense
The complete lack of surprise I felt when you mentioned yet more plagiarism in published official materials just makes me sad. I really liked the first concept image you showed of Kylo's SSD; these movies are such a good chance to show off new ship designs and it's so disappointing to see that opportunity go to waste.
If the community makes an art book, and explains why there are horses, i would buy that book
The movie was so bad, I didn't even think about them being so out of place, until some youtuber summed it up with: "Space horses are your problem? Just tilt the ship and let them fall of, wtf". I laughed hard, then I cried. RIP Star Wars.
cool, hrrmmm... i
if i were to describe how i meant it should look in that one short story i wrote at-least
was picturing sort of a ...
well i really like that art for the star destroyer factory, its pretty cool,
i was picturing sort of like a deep underground construction that makes a planet look almost like theirs a death star buried in it in portions of it, or a Dyson sphere that has had the planet element of it completely overgrow on top of it, so you'd have this massive elevator shaft, like that factory opening, and because its built deep and underground the most bottom layer and one of the most important first to build would have been the anti-gravity plating to basically remove gravity as a factor for everything above it to very minimal levels and would depend on artificial gravity plating on walkways to keep people pulled down
and chains actually keeping star destroyers anchored to the floors and areas they were built on because the anti gravity means they could float inside of a ... well Dyson sphere or death star or interior factory of a planet sized construction yard, that in essence was a huge building built into the crust of a planet, and you would just have hundreds or perhaps just 20 to 50 on each floor for like 10 to 20 floors and one central open shaft on scale like that, maybe even just one vast floor with hundreds and then like 10 or so floors each like that, give it a overwhelming yet mechanically comparable to modern earth during war time feel
I like the Star Destroyer with a gap in the center; it echoes Kylo’s TIE Whisper
EckhartsLadder, These Images ARE GODDAMN! AWESOME! I'm thinking about making a fanfiction of what The Rise of skywalker Should have ben instead if the one that we got and hey, I liked the original one, though it could've turned out a little better had these things been added. I am definitely buying the art of The Rise of Skywalker one day.
Yes, more on the art book please. :)
I wonder if much of the movie was simply rewritten and rushed into production.
The thumbnail makes me think of a council of star destroyers
1:41 the second ship looks like a giant usb-c plug haha
I love the Star destroyer factory. Very creative
May the force be with you, Eck
This was the PERFECT opportunity to reveal jar jar was the dark sith lord all along. what a missed opportunity to redeem the character in a huge way.
Fractal Sponge or as i know him Ansel Hsiao actually had a few deals to build and or sell the models for SW. But this shot matches one of his renders so it was probably lifted form what i can see
Awesome fan artists: exists
Star Wars artists: I’ll take your entire stock!
Finally an eckhartsladder video. Not a star wars explained everything my sponsor says is cool video
This is the reason why they used the Imperial 2 design on the Xylon.
1.They were poor.
2.Quantity over quality-It was cheaper
I don’t know why, but this is giving me goosebumps
It would be interesting to know which of these ideas were from J J Abrams and his team and which were from Colin Trevorrow, because I feel like most of the Star Destroyer artwork alongside this shipyard in form of the First Order logo feels more in line with Trevorrow's script than with what we got in TRoS by J J Abrams. I presume that the artworks from the places we saw in TRoS are obviously from the Abrams film crew, but I have the bad feeling that the Super Star Destroyer for Kylo got scrapped because it was never planned for TRoS - however, we know that at least one Super Star Destroyer/Super Starship Structure was planned for the Trevorrow-script.
2:31 imagine kylo having a room dedicated to Vader's stuff like his burned up helmet his lightsaber etc.